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#1
Welcome to Psychic and Paranormal! / Exorcists
February 04, 2003, 16:45:34
I just read an article about father Gabriel Amorth. I noticed that Robert Bruce had him listed in PPSD as a bibliography source. Anyone know more about him?


On the bumpy flight to Rome I read The Bible all the way. The passenger on my left - a wiry businesswoman from Wisconsin - found this disconcerting. As the turbulence worsened and I moved from Jude to Revelation, she hissed at me, "Do you have to?" "It's only background reading," I murmured. She grimaced. "What for?" I turned to her and whispered: "I'm going to meet the exorcist." "Oh Christ," she gasped, as the plane lurched and hot coffee spilled over us.

Father Gabriele Amorth is indeed the exorcist, the most senior and respected member of his calling. A priest for 50 years, he is the undisputed leader of the city's six exorcists (appointed by the cardinal to whom the Pope delegates the office of Vicar of Rome) and honorary president-for-life of the International Association of Exorcists. He is 75, small, spry, humorous, and wonderfully direct.

"I speak with the Devil every day," he says, grinning like a benevolent gargoyle. "I talk to him in Latin. He answers in Italian. I have been wrestling with him, day in day out, for 14 years."

On cue (God is not worried by clichés) a shaft of October sunlight falls across Father Amorth's pale, round face. We are sitting at a table by the window in a small high-ceilinged meeting room at his Rome headquarters, the offices of the Society of St Paul. Father Amorth has come to exorcism late in life, but with impressive credentials. Born in 1925 in Modena, northern Italy, the son and grandson of lawyers (his brother is a judge), Gabriele Amorth, in his late teens, joined the Italian resistance.

Immediately after the war, he became a member of the fledgling Christian Democratic Party. Giulo Andreotti was president of the Young Christian Democrats, Amorth was his deputy. Andreotti went into politics and was seven times prime minister. Amorth, having studied law at university, went into the Church.

"From the age of 15," be says, "I knew it was my true vocation. My speciality was the Madonna. For many years I edited the magazine Madre di Deo (Mother of God). When I hear people say, 'You Catholics honour Mary too much,' I reply, 'We are never able to honour her enough.'

"I knew nothing of exorcism - I had given it no thought - until June 6, 1986 when Cardinal Poletti, the then Vicar of Rome, asked to see me. There was a famous exorcist in Rome then, the only one, Father Candido, but he was not well, and Cardinal Poletti told me I was to be his assistant. I learnt everything from Father Candido. He was my great master. Quickly I realised how much work there was to be done and how few exorcists there were to do it. From that day, I dropped everything and dedicated myself entirely to exorcism."

Father Amorth smiles continually as he tells his story. His enthusiasm for his subject is infectious and engaging. "Jesus performed exorcisms. He cast out demons. He freed souls from demonic possession and from Him the Church has received the power and office of exorcism. A simple exorcism is performed at every baptism, but major exorcism can be performed only by a priest licensed by the bishop. I have performed over 50,000 exorcisms. Sometimes it takes a few minutes, sometimes many hours. It is hard work multo duro."

How does he recognise someone possessed by evil spirits? "It is not easy. There are many grades of possession. The Devil does not like to be seen, so there are people who are possessed who manage to conceal it. There are other cases where the person possessed is in acute physical pain, such agony that they cannot move.
"It is essential not to confuse demonic possession with ordinary illness. The symptoms of possession often include violent headaches and stomach cramps, but you must always go to the doctor before you go to the exorcist. I have people come to me who are not possessed at all. They are suffering from epilepsy or schizophrenia or other mental problems. Of the thousands of patients I have seen, only a hundred or so have been truly possessed."

"How can you tell?"

"By their aversion to the sacrament and all things sacred. If blessed they become furious. If confronted with the crucifix, they are subdued." "But couldn't an hysteric imitate the symptoms?"

"We can sort out the phoney ones. We look into their eyes. As part of the exorcism, at specific times during the prayers, holding two fingers on the patient's eyes we raise the eyelids. Almost always, in cases of evil presence, the eyes look completely white. Even with the help of both hands, we can barely discern whether the pupils are towards the top or the bottom of the eye. If the pupils are looking up, the demons in possession are scorpions. If looking down, they are serpents."

As I report this now, it sounds absurd. As Father Amorth told it to me, it felt entirely credible.

I had gone to Rome expecting - hoping, even - for a chilling encounter, but instead of a sinister bug-eyed obsessive lurking in the shadows of a Hammer Horror film set, here I was sitting in an airy room facing a kindly old man with an uncanny knack for making the truly bizarre seem wholly rational. He has God on his side and customers at his door. The demand for exorcism is growing as never before. Fifteen years ago there were 20 church-appointed exorcists in Italy. Now there are 300.

I ask Father Amorph to describe the ritual of exorcism.

"Ideally, the exorcist needs another priest to help him and a group nearby who will assist through prayer. The ritual does not specify the stance of the exorcist. Some stand, some sit. The ritual says only that, beginning with the words Ecce crucem Domini ('Behold the Cross of the Lord') the priest should touch the neck of the possessed one with the hem of his stole and hold his hand on his head. The demons will want to hide. Our task is to expose them, and then expel them. There are many ways to goad them into showing themselves. Although the ritual does not mention this, experience has taught us that using oil and holy water and salt can be very effective.

"Demons are wary of talking and must be forced to speak. When demons are voluntarily chatty it's a trick to distract the exorcist. We must never ask useless questions out of curiosity. We but must interrogate with care. We always begin by asking for the demon's name."

"And does he answer?" I ask. Father Amorth nods. "Yes, through the patient, but in a strange, unnatural voice. If it is the Devil himself, he says 'I am Satan, or Lucifer, or Beelzebub. We ask if he is alone or if there are others with him. Usually there are two or five, 20 or 30. We must quantify the number. We ask when and how they entered that particular body. We find out whether their presence is due to a spell and the specifics of that spell.

"During the exorcism the evil may emerge in slow stages or with sudden explosions. He does not want show himself. He will be angry and he is strong. During one exorcism I saw a child of 11 held down by four strong men. The child threw the men aside with ease. I was there when a boy of 10 lifted a huge, heavy table.

"Afterwards I felt the muscles in the boy's arms. He could not have done it on his own. He had the strength of the Devil inside him.

"No two cases are the same. Some patients have to be tied down on a bed. They spit. They vomit. At first the demon will try to demoralise the exorcist, then he will try to terrify him, saying, 'Tonight I'm going to put a serpent between your sheets. Tomorrow I'm going to eat your heart'."

I lean towards Father Amorth. "And are you sometimes frightened?" I ask. He looks incredulous. "Never. I have faith. I laugh at the demon and say to him, 'I've got the Madonna on my side. I am called Gabriel. Go fight the Archangel Gabriel if you will.' That usually shuts them up."

Now he leans towards me and taps my hand confidentially. "The secret is to find your demon's weak spot. Some demons cannot bear to have the Sign of the Cross traced with a stole on an aching part of the body; some cannot stand a puff of breath on the face; others resist with all their strength against blessing with holy water.

"Relief for the patient is always possible, but to completely rid a person of his demons can take many exorcisms over many years. For a demon to leave a body and go back to hell means to die forever and to lose any ability to molest people in the future. He expresses his desperation saying: 'I am dying, I am dying. You are killing me; you have won. All priests are murderers'."

How do people come to be possessed by demons in the first place? "I believe God sometimes singles out certain souls for a special test of spiritual endurance, but more often people lay themselves open to possession by dabbling with black magic. Some are entrapped by a satanic cult. Others are the victims of a curse."

I interrupt. "You mean like Yasser Arafat saying to Ehud Barak, 'Go to Hell' and meaning it?"

"No." Father Amorth gives me a withering look. "That is merely a sudden imprecation. It is very difficult to perform a curse. You need to be a priest of Satan to do it properly. Of course, just as you can hire a killer if you need one, you can hire a male witch to utter a curse on your behalf. Most witches are frauds, but I am afraid some authentic ones do exist."

Father Amorth shakes his head and sighs at the wickedness of the world. At the outset be has told me he is confident he will have an answer to all my questions, but he has a difficulty with the next one. "Why do many more women seem to become possessed than men?"

"Ah, that we do not know. They may be more vulnerable because, as a rule, more women than men are interested in the occult. Or it may be the Devil's way of getting at men, just as he got to Adam through Eve. What we do know is that the problem is getting worse. The Devil is gaining ground. We are living in an age when faith is diminishing. If you abandon God, the Devil will take his place.

"All faiths, all cultures, have exorcists, but only Christianity has the true force to exorcise through Christ's example and authority. We need many more exorcists, but the bishops won't appoint them. In many countries - Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Spain there are no Catholic exorcists. It is a scandal. In England there are more Anglican exorcists than Catholic ones."

Although the post of exorcist is an official diocesan appointment (there are about 300 attached to the various bishops throughout Italy) and Father Amorth is undisputably the best known in his field, there is some tension between Amorth and the modernising tendencies in the Church hierarchy.

Devil-hunting is not fashionable in senior church circles. The Catholic establishment is happier talking about "the spirit of evil" than evil spirits. The Vatican recently issued a new rite of exorcism which has not met with Father Amorth's approval. "They say we cannot perform an exorcism unless we know for certain that the Evil One is present. That is ridiculous. It is only through exorcism that the demons reveal themselves. An unnecessary exorcism never hurt anybody."

What does the Pope make of all this? "The Holy Father knows that the Devil is still alive and active in the world. He has performed exorcism. In 1982, he performed a solemn exorcism on a girl from Spoletto. She screamed and rolled on the floor. Those who saw it were very frightened. The Pope brought her temporary freedom.
"The other day, on September 6, at his weekly audience at St Peter's, a young woman from a village near Monza started to shriek as the Pope was about to bless her. She shouted obscenities at him in a strange voice. The Pope blessed her and brought her relief, but the Devil is still in her. She is exorcised each week in Milan and she is now coming to me once a month. It may take a long time to help her, but we must try. The work of the exorcists is to relieve suffering, to free souls from torment, to bring us closer to God."

Father Amorth has laughed and smiled a good deal during our three-hour discussion. He has pulled sundry rude faces to indicate his contempt for the pusillanimous bishops who have a monopoly on exorcism and refuse to license more practitioners. In his mouth it does not seem like mumbo-jumbo or hocus-pocus. He produces detailed case histories. He quotes scriptural chapter and verse to justify his actions. And he has a large following. His book, An Exorcist Tells his Story, has been reprinted in Italy 17 times.

Given his shining faith and scholarly approach, I hardly dare ask him whether he has seen the notorious 1973 horror film, The Exorcist. It turns out to be his favourite film. "Of course, the special effects are exaggerated. but it is a good film, and substantially exact, based on a respectable novel which mirrored a true story."

The film is held to be so disturbing it has never been shown [until recently] on British terrestrial television and until last year could not even be rented from video shops. None the less, Father Amorth recommends it. "People need to know what we do."

And what about hallowe'en? The American tradition has made no inroads in Italy. "Here it is on Christmas Eve that the Satanists have their orgies. Nothing happens on October 31. But if English and American children like to dress up as witches and devils on one night of the year that is not a problem. If it is just a game, there is no harm in that.''

It is time to go to the chapel where our photographer is waiting. Father Atnorth, used to the ways of the press, raises an eyebrow at us indulgently as he realises the photograph is designed to heighten the drama of his calling. Pictures taken, he potters off to find me of one ot his books.

"What do make of him?'' asks the photographer. "Is he mad?"

"I don't think so,'' I say. The award-winning Daily and Sunday Telegraph Rome correspondent, who has acted as interpreter br the interview, and is both a lapsed Catholic and a hardened hack, is more empathic: "There's not a trace of the charlatan about him. He is quite sane and utterly convincing."

Surprised at myself I add: "He seems to me to be a power for good in the world." With a smirk, the photographer loads his gear into the back of the taxi. ''So he's Peter Cushing then, not Christopher Lee," he says.

Father Amorth reappears with his book and smiles. "Remember, when we jeer at the Devil and tell ourselves that he does not exist, that is when he is happiest."

#2
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Wow
July 26, 2003, 18:28:43
I know what you mean. I finally took the advice of the older members and used the search function. All I can say is HOLY SMOKES!!   Major information on the old posts. [:I]  I guess I need to start using this more often.
#3
Oh, and thanks to Hypnotist and Parmenion for those files.
#4
Welcome to Astral Chat! / A Story
July 21, 2003, 20:43:56
heh heh heh . that was a good one. i have to admit.
#5
Well i haven't been using NEW for that long, but for about a year now, and i already noticed some big changes, even since the first months if done regularly (i practice it almost everyday before sleeping and when i got time at college). This system is amazing, my secundary centers are very well developped now, i got more "power" inside (i don't know how to express it, but i'm more reactive and "lifeful"), and i also get some pretty good results with more psychic things like precog, aura sight etc without trying to hard after a few weeks. Also when i feel i'm about to get ill, i immediatley do NEW energy raising tech many times in the day and usually it's all gone the next day. NEW definitely boosted my life !
#6
Dear Nerezza,  my first OBE the I was aware of came when I was seven years old.  I had no fear as it was exciting stuff, even when I remembered that I had lived thousands of times before.  So fear never entered my mind, until I was a teenager and attempted to astral travel while conscious.  Looking back at those times I know that my fear was what caused the attempts to fail.  The only ones that were successful happened before my fear got up to speed!

Years later I returned to spiritual practice and attempted to OBE again.  I still had my old fears with me.  I learned that it was simply the fear of the unknown, meaning the concept of it as we are taught to think as children.  What helped me through this phase was that my curiosity at what I experienced while out there, grew stronger than my fears.  After working with my own Guidance, I learned so much more and experienced as much,  which brought me to a point where I understood that nothing can harm us if we stand in our power and respond with Love.  And, this fact was driven home over many journeys by beings who tested me constantly for Fear.  I always responded with Love and they would dissipate or leave.

So it turns out that fear is something we are brainwashed into having by our cultures and societies.  It is part of the big control mechanism that we are kept down by.  Once your Self is Self-empowered, nothing can stop you from making choices about what you do.  So fear is only a fear, it is not real, only imagined.

Thanx for the opportunity to share.  Love always.
#7
dont you mean "deep fried"???

I think the french do that sort of thing too, or used to.

My bro is in glasgow uni, and once when I went to visit him I got myself a deep fried haggis from the chippie - damn tasty I can tell you! Haggis is great.
#8
What comes to mind when you read this poem?

I am on a Scotish moor just before winter.  

The trees are stark, stubborn against the wind
Something is on the ground that the leaves are collecting around.  
I hope it is not what I think it is -- please move
The grass is only green in this spot.
No one is morning he who lies there -- so sad not to have someone mourn you.
The ground is very rocky (Scotish moor style) as I come for yet a closer look.

I am mesmerized by what I see.
A half rotted skeleton on the ground unburied.
Even a saint would be silent at such a sight.
The flies are on it.

I imagine eyes that stared until they were no more but empty sockets the wind could blow through.
The mind is gone -- starved
All that lives inside this mind now is wind -- the soul is gone.

Respectfully,
timeless[:)]
#9
I have had a board for many years.  Always bless it and use white light.  My guides have talked to me for years via Ouija.
If any wierd stuff comes through, just quit.  Don't put up with any vulgarity, etc.  
I only had problems once, and that was about 30 years ago.

dovelady
#10
Hi Nerezza,

I almost allways use self-hypnosis for relaxing the body prior to AP attempts. When you get the hang of it ,it is incredibly quick and effective. A little stretch ~ count down 5 through 1 with a few suggestions in between~ and that's it. I haven't been working with trance much as I find that it will often occur during the attempt itself. I have to say, I do find self hypnosis very effective and was meaning to look into it a little further so thanks for the link.
I'm nearly sure I have a couple of word documents lying around here somewhere on hypnosis.I'd be glad to share if you want them.

Take care

Parmenion
#11
That image gave me the chills.. something about it rings true.  [;)] Ive seen it in my dreams etc..

Seriously though. I dont think it would be such a bad thing if something like that were to happen.  Ive always kinda wanted to live in a time where things were shook up a little.  People had to find out how to really live.  But as I type this Im thinking "be careful what you wish for".  I probably should be more careful.

I think in a way thats the lure for these end of the world theories.  Trying to get people to see how short their time is.  However there seem to be at least 5 of these a year.  Come on people how about a ten year mark.  

#12
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#13
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Floyd's Tomb
April 24, 2003, 08:43:21
If you think that's freaky you should check out the stuff on Spider Gates Cemetery.
#14
Bruce Moen is an acknowledged expert here and he has several books on the subject. He learned to communicate with dead people in a program run by Robert Monroe. He has even joined the forums here, but only appears occasionally. Here is his profile here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=1154
#15
Insert, that's ... uh, rather... Insert.

poor kids. poor guy.

~kakkarot
#16
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Ireland or England?
February 07, 2003, 08:14:21
Here is my "rough guide, England v Ireland, cities v Countryside".

Please forgive me, it is very poor; I would appreciate additional comments from other "britishers" and "Irelanders"


England - pro's (in the cities):
a) very multicultural
b) great food
c) plenty to see and do

cons :
a) people can be very abrupt
b) weather is crap (same in ireland)
c) bloody expensive

Ireland - Pro's (in the cities...which i've very briefly visited)
a) good shopping
b) lively, not loads of tourists.
c) all pubs / bars serve budweiser on tap.

cons
a) still quite expensive
b) a bit more conservative than English cities
c) dodgy restaurants ( the ones i went in were dodgy.)


....And the countryside :
england - Pro's
a) lots of nice villages in south england
b) plenty of good walking
c) good pubs

Cons :

a) City folks have a habit of heading out to the countryside at the w/end.
b) crap weather.

Ireland country side - pro's (what i've seen)
a) better walking / hiking
b) excellent fishing
c) plenty of beaches


cons:
a) always too rainy to go on the beaches.
b) signs are in Irish...





#17
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Lord Of The Rings Fans
January 12, 2003, 22:50:47
Homo jokes?
#18
Nerezza I think it will be a great movie!!!! It will be in Latin not English and no sub-titles.

I read many of Anne Catherine Emmerich books. I pray to her to pray for me at times. What a humble soul she was/is!

Kind regards, Robin

http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/

p.s. I have added a "weeping statue & icon " section to my site you might enjoy it.

Peace be with you & yours Nerezza

#19
Forums Bugs Reports and Questions / Chat
November 20, 2002, 23:29:13
hi!

Take a look at http://www.astralpulse.com/chat/chat.htm

2cents & L&L

jouni

#20
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Personality Disorder Test
November 05, 2002, 12:45:04
It is a nice test. Short and to the point. Everything was low but three things when I took the test, and my only complaint was that on reading the "disorders" they really didn't seem like negative things.

schizoid: high

schizotypal: moderate
obsessive-compulsive: moderate

As you can see, two of my disorders are only in moderation.


#21
Life happens no matter what we worry about. I have taken on a bit of Buddhist philosophy in regard to this. The First Noble Truth is 'Life Is Suffering' which I take to mean as life is hard...the struggles and hardships we face are a part of life that everyone goes through and needlessly worrying about them only compounds them. Now days I try to live my life in the understanding that life is hard. I deal with whatever issues are important to my current situtation and once resolved enjoy the peace and tranquility until the next one comes along, which it always does.

Our mindset and decisions can also influence what struggles and hardships we face in life but somethings are unavoidable and I think what really counts is how we react to what we have to face. We can only be responsible for what we say and do so the only person who can make you change is yourself. If you dont like worrying or all those 'little things' that happen every day then make a conscious effort to change the way you view them and the way you react to them. It takes time but can be done! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

And remember there are lots of people on this board who are always willing to listen and offer good advice...so use them! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>


-- Muzza
#22
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Music help
August 30, 2002, 13:19:00
My early memories are scrambled, back I think that around 1984 or 1985 there was a record I listened to a few times about someone named peter and his interaction with a wolf. It has soft portions. I'm fairly sure the whole thing is instrumental. Maybe someone else remembers?


#23



That's quite good. I especially liked:

Simple stuff. Why do you keep making it so complicated? It's like you're
always looking for an excuse to be upset. And I'm very tired of being your
main excuse.


Yours,
Frank




#24
I am going to give it a go so I will let you know what happens...
If it works I have plenty to get rid off! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

-- Muzza