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   When some people recount their OBE they end it with "then I woke up". You might conclude from this that that OBE happened during sleep. This would make a strong case for those who argue that OBEs and LDs are the same experience. Additionally most people seem to have OBEs at night.

   I would like to hear experinces of people who have come out of an OBE directly into waking consciousness and can absolutely rule out the possibility of it being a dream. Tell me in what state you consider you were before it ended.

   I am standing in an empty lot. A man walks towards me and I become concerned for my safety.
   "You are only a part of my dream," I shout at him. "Disappear, go away!"
   At first it seems to have no effect. I insist and to my satisfaction he disappears.

   Now I begin to float into the air. I immediately grab the opportunity and begin to will myself up more and it helps a little but I feel I lack power.
   "Clarity now!" I command because it is slightly dark. I repeat the command and it clears up only slightly.
   I flap my arms rapidly and it also helps a little more but I still feel lacking in power and feel a strong pull towards the ground.
   I manage to see some of the city from above.

   I awake.

   I cannot say if this was a lucid dream or to what degree I was conscious. I have been working on LDs and OBEs with some success.
   Commanding "clarity now!" and telling someone to go away, and flapping my arms to fly are all things I have read and thought about so much that I may have just said and done those things by rote.
   I never really thought, "This is a dream." However I was reasoning much as I would in waking reality.

   I am dreaming  that I have committed a crime and must drink a poison that will kill me as my punishment. The poison is a thick black syrupy substance. A couple of people before me have just taken it. I take the poison and lie face down waiting for it to take effect. (In reality I am sleeping in this position.) My mother is sitting on my bedside ready to comfort me.

   I feel only a slight tingling effect (vibes?) and have a slight hope that the poison might not work at all, but am still prepared for the worst.

   I fall head first into a void. It is dark, eerie and bottomless.  I have total uncertainty of what comes next.

    "This is it. I am beginning to die," I think. "Now it is my turn to know what it is like."

   At this point I become completely lucid.

   "I will ride this out to the end and hopefully project," I think to myself.

   My reaction was so sudden that it snapped me out of the trance state and I woke up. 

(This experience happened after working a couple of days with the SSILD technique by cosmic.iron.
   The experience has left me with a bad feeling. First of all I did not get to find out if that void ended up somewhere positive. Secondly, the I that was experiencing all this seemed cold and without emotion, maybe even slightly evil.)

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