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I normally create a intended destination when Phasing though. Many times that will lead me to "Otherworlds".  It seems it works both ways. So you could either "reactive", waiting for things to unfold or be "pro active" and use a "exit technique".

Interesting! Thanks for the advice and the link to that other thread. I think that I'll stick with the reactive method for next time since it has worked for me before in this case. Hopefully if I end up in that 3D black again I'll remember to get myself out of it

Hello and welcome to one of my first posts on this forum in over 7 years! I used to be a frequent lurker here back in 09-10 but life got real and I ended up becoming encumbered by all of the various things these long years have brought to me. Recently I have reached probably the most stable and independent point in my life for years and it has had me wanting to get back into the pursuit of astral projection.

I have recently begun meditating again as my mind is always at ease these days and I don't have any daunting problems making it harder to focus on achieving control of my thoughts.

I posted an experience I had of what I believe was my first and only conscious OBE in another thread but the main reason why I created this topic was to attempt to save myself a little time by hopefully getting some info from anyone who reads this.

When I had this apparent OBE many years ago I had experienced vibrations but this time I just let them grow as intense as possible to the point where I felt as if I was either going to die or separate and thankfully I did experience a separation, which had way more extreme physical sensations than I ever would have expected. I believe my problem before I had this experience was I would hit the vibrations but once they reached a certain intensity my anxiety or fear would kick in and then they would slowly fade away. After successfully riding the vibrations all the way through I'm much more comfortable with experiencing them and I don't believe I'll have much trouble with separation this time.

So my question is, can you just let the vibrations take over and grow until you separate or should you also focus your awareness away from the body when the vibrations are at their height? I don't remember if I focused my awareness away from my body or not when I had my experience but I kind of feel like I didn't because I just ended up formless in a giant "3D" black expanse. This is the last little detail I feel would help me in my attempts tremendously!

A bit late to post but figured I'd share my experience here as well.

Years back when I was heavily invested in studying and attempting astral projection I experienced something that changed my life forever.

Now I've had my fair share of experience with altered states of consciousness at this point especially when it comes to psychedelic substances and I can tell you that not even a DMT trip came close to the earth-shattering realization that transpired from what was a totally new state of consciousness for me at the time.

Back when this transpired I had been practicing meditation almost every night for quite some time and had begun to get fairly adept at quieting my mind without too much trouble. I could easily make it into sleep paralysis but I had never forced myself to focus long enough to get into a very deep trance state. One night as I was meditating before sleep I decided to see how far I could possibly push myself to lay still and focus solely on counting my breaths from 100 down to 0 and repeating the cycle. I kept this up for at least 5 cycles or so before my body was in an extremely deep state of paralysis and I could barely feel any of it other than how it felt like I was sinking down into my bed from the sheer weight of myself. At this point in the meditation it became almost impossible to follow numerical order as I was counting my breaths because I assume my brain was in sleep mode and things just weren't working out. I continued to choke out random numbers and just focus on it as best as I could but before I even got a few counts in things got really intense. I felt a force that I can only describe as what I would assume the vacuum of outer space feels like pull my entire body up into the air and into the space where my head was laying on my pillow. The whole movement was so extreme that I didn't even have time to react to it before it was over and instantly I went from being in my bed and semi-aware of my physical body to being in an endless expanse of pure blackness that went on forever in all directions. The weird thing to describe about this is that I was somehow able to perceive a depth in this blackness which gave it a 3D effect as if I was in just a massive open space. Words can't really do this experience justice because I felt things that I never knew were possible to feel and its really difficult to articulate for me. While I was in this new space I also did not feel as if I had any body or form whatsoever. I perceived myself to be just a singular dot in the center of this vast expanse of 3D darkness. As soon as I was able to absorb all the information from what had just happened to me I felt what to this day is the most profound peace and tranquility I ever thought possible. I had no emotions or thoughts I was simply there, existing in this brief still moment that I could have stayed in forever. I was only in this state for a very short time though because I found myself faced with a decision to either rest and drift off into dreaming or go further. I decided to just go to sleep because  the whole thing was so draining on me. I had no idea the physical sensations would be so intense or how drastic the shift in how your consciousness actually "feels" if that makes any sense.

I've recently resumed my efforts and hopefully with more dedication this time around I'll be able to have a full blown projection! This was without a doubt though the experience that proved to me that there is so much more to us than we could even imagine and it has stuck with me all these years as fresh as the day it happened.

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Through your experiences over those two years has your mindset been altered or "reorganized" even in the slightest?

Did some event or epiphany while in the nonphysical cause you to see your modality in a new way and necessitate a need for adjustment?

Hello everyone!

The reason I am posting today is I have a question concerning astral projection, ones own evolution through different mindsets, as continued projections add to experiences. I am curious as to if any of the frequent projectors have the feeling to do "baser" activities so to say in the nonphysical. Allow me to use Robert Monroe as an example since many should be familiar with this mans works. In Monroe's book "Ultimate Journey" his experiences are noted to always be of an extremely interpersonal or spiritual nature to himself and it was obvious to me as a reader that his mindset was in acquiring more knowledge through his experiences in the nonphysical to answer very big questions about his own spirituality, questions which themselves seemed to grow and evolve over time which I would expect to happen as more information is discovered. I believe that if you were to read all three of Monroe's books, in order of first publication to last, there would definitely be a discernible change or "shift" in Roberts own goals and common activities as he was out of body. So my question is, if any of you have entered into a journey of self awakening or information-seeking, have you ever returned to the basics in a manner of speaking? Have you taken the time to enjoy experiences you first had when you discovered that you could leave your body? Is there even reasoning as to take part in the simpler activities such as aimless flight over the planet earth when one has been far beyond this plane of existence? Or is none of this relevant, does the traveler evolve or "change" in mindset simply due to the incredible nature of these experiences in the nonphysical and naturally want to seek out deeper truths? The only reason I ask this is I have not yet had a full blown OOBE but I have always wondered if there is a correlation between so many experienced projectors going on journeys of personal awakening/truth-seeking and how many conscious OOBEs they have actually had, if that makes any sense.

I will definitely give those a read thanks again for the responses EscapeVelocity!

EscapeVelocity-

Wow I had honestly no idea of the potential significance that experience held! I'm very annoyed with myself for not keeping a journal over the years for such occurrences now that I have seen your viewpoints on the subject and thinking back the whole ordeal, from the details I remember, could definitely match up with your points more so than not at least. I don't know if there is a correlation to this event and my subsequent loss of lucid dreams and any OBE experiences but I can't totally count that out although I feel that would a tad extreme for failing a test or missing a cue. I've also never fully experienced an OOBE but did have an incredible consciousness shift also many years ago while in a deep trance which I could only describe as feeling like my body was tossed into a vacuum that had its point of origin buried deep inside my own skull. I experienced the whole totally silent mind and infinite 3D blackness also loss of perception of any physical form/location and all that. I think what it all boils down to for me personally is life just got a little too busy and took up all of my physical and emotional energy to the point where I just couldn't focus on other things. Recently though I've been able to get myself to a place where things are going well and I've been being heavily drawn back to AP seemingly out of the blue. I feel this time the weights and stresses of my personal life will no longer be a hinderence so maybe the next time I get tested I will have done my homework in a manner of speaking.

I had a similar experience once myself many years ago. While I was dreaming I ended up in some random barn and for whatever reason got the urge to lay down on some hay and take a quick dream snooze. At least that's what I thought I was doing but it was sort of just as soon as I closed my eyes in the dream I started having another dream of a whole different location which was some city by the ocean. Very quickly I became aware of my dream state and out of instinct took off into the air and began soaring across the city looking down on it from above. Flying is always the first thing I go for when I am lucid as ever since I was a child I had dreams of being able to fly which were always a blast! That lucid experience didn't last too long though and I woke back up into my first dream in the barn and got up from the hay pile I was on. Then I realized I was still in a dream and again launched myself straight up into the air but woke up right after that. One of the coolest and interesting lucid dream experiences I've had to this day! Glad to hear the experience wasn't unique to my case lol

Interested to hear in your renewed progress! I as well have just recently returned to my AP practices after a years in hiatus so hopefully we'll have experiences to share together.

I really need a device like this. I have been doing energy work for 2 years now with constant meditation and practices with manipulating energy. However I have been unable to project. I wish you sold this.

Im 15 and I have been projecting for 3 years. I am quite skilled at it and I own my own website. It is http://www.astraljourney.org/ It has a forum with 56 members, 781 posts, and very reliable information. (Im not trying to advertise) I usually meet up with people on the RTZ and I either train them on how to do certian things (like create though form) or we just go on journeys. We also usually just do fun stuff like skydiving or something. I love astral projection and I experience it every night! Hope to see one of you guys out there some day!



~Cheers

Now the member quota is at 120. Its growing more and more each day so check it out if your interested!

Hurry and get this excrement done! I want to see how close you can get it to the real thing.

My friend has been under demonic attack for years now. They nearly killed him once. They drag him out of body quite often to torture him in hell. Most people who have helped him have been viciously attacked. One healer that helped him was attacked in the physical. He had a 2 inch deep gash on his back from one of the demons and he was put in medical care. If anyone can help him please do so He is under extreme pain and his chakras are blocked. He cant defend himself when out of body because he cant get enough energy from his chakra. No body seems to be able to help him much. If anyone can even just unblock his chakras then I would be of gratitude. His msn is nayami_bee@hotmail.com If you can help him please contact him. He has tried everything to stop these attacks and the only thing that seems to work is healing. Please he could die if you do not help him! Thank you for your help.

Has the price of this product gone up or something or am I just making tons of money these days? I think I paid 50 bucks for 101 and 102 combined.

Why not just pay for it? Paying for it emphasizes what society values. This helps to perpetuate Astral Projection and over time will fund serious research into the subject.

We buy genetically modified, sodium nitrate poisoned and chemically altered foods that make criminals that own the companies filthy rich while killing us. Then at the same time we don't want to spend a measly 50 bucks on a great product from a guy that poured his heart and soul into helping us. Seems like we have our priorities mixed up.

Stealing products such as this does our entire community a huge disservice.

I see your point dbmathis but not all of us can afford some of these things. I am only doing my service to astral projectors to make it easier for them. I already bought his product 10 times over to help him out. Besides I really dont think he needs all the money. If all these people are buying it then he should be fine financially.

I'm sorry to harp on this subject, but I am gobsmacked by how the freely available Lucidology 101 has helped me to AP.

Forget about the commercial L102, L101 helped me more than anything I've read or practiced in the past 6 months. He mentions mistakes and myths that books actually TELL YOU to make.

I'm so surprised at the authors of these books. Its like they missed the point entirely.

When I was watching Nicholas Newport's material, I was just going ... aha! aha!

Some of the points...

1) Sleep paralysis, confusingly named body awake/mind asleep, is one of the major markers in OBE, but it is not the actual event - it happens BEFORE you can AP. You need to relax thru it! No-one mentioned this before, that I've read.

2) You can AP lying on your side! I didn't think this was possible until it happened to me last night, and him revealing this unveiled one of my stumbling blocks

I could go on and on. The material (L101) is very extensive and I recommend everyone serious about AP give it a try. I think it has saved me years of time!

Lucidology 101 is an amazing product! But lucidology 102 offers far easier methods to project. Its so easy that all you have to do is fall asleep and let the techniques works for you. Lucidology 101 is good but 102 is far better.

True as well. I suppose if someone found it helpful (and they were financially able to ) then they might find it in their hearts to donate to the guy afterwards for helping with something which is so difficult!

Yeah yeah I know what you mean. Buying astral projection products is a sort of thing that is very risky to do and can cost you much money with no success. Its like one of those things where you test it and then pay for it. I bought it myself and I got three other people to buy it too so the guy who made it should have enough money

I wouldn't give it out. It is worth every penny, and the author is entitled to his money. I just had my first AP after only 2 weeks of using this method.

By the way there is tons of useful information in the free product, 101. This is basically how I AP, even though I've also been doing 102 (the commercial product).

I know what you mean man. Im just here to help and this guy is probobly doing quite well for himself with saltcube and lucidology. I only wish for people to experience projection in a timely manner!

Maybe if you want it. I dont want to cause any trouble or get banned from this forum but I also want to share this information with other people because its really not worth any money because such information is priceless

Okay, I respect your opinion but I know for a fact that I was pulled out-of-body. It wasn't the first time either.

My subconscious mind did not create the individual, it was an actual person that had interacted with me. I found out his name..., I was in his (?) house, saw other people, etc. It was real as far as I'm concerned.

I know what you mean but I meant that your subconscious might have summoned that actual person out of body and to your astral body. I still remain open-minded to all things unless they are proven false so I take both sides of the argument 

I have tried many products that are supposed to induce astral projection. I have been projecting for around 3 years and during that time, I went through many many products. Most of them are scams. However I found a product that makes Astral projection as easy as falling asleep! Yes it is that easy! The product is called lucidology and it was created by the founder of saltcube. I highly recommend lucidology 101 and 102. You can purchase them off www.lucidology.com or you can message me for a link to a download of it. I do not mean to cause any financial damage to the creator of this product but I just wish to be able to share this with the world. Such information should not have a price placed upon it for it is priceless! Hope this product works well for you guys! 

I do not think it is possible to have someone help you have an OBE simply because you can not be harmed while out of body. The act of pulling some ones astral vehicle out of their body is classified as a psychic attack so I do not think it is possible. I have read all the replies to this and I have noticed that some one posted that they had a person pull them out of body. Well this probably did not happen. He probably believed so much that some one was going to pull him out of body that he programmed his subconscious to project him and summon the person who was supposed to pull him out of body to his current location. But thats just my theory 

I didn't know that there is a MSN messenger.,I only heard this here in this topic.When this MSN messenger is been release ?




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Msn messenger has been out for at least 10 years. It comes with most computers anyway. You really didnt know about it?

I have grown very fond of lucid dreaming over the years as I have experienced it more and more and I have noticed that it does have some secret benefits that not many people know about. When you are lucid you have full control over your whole mind including your conscious and subconscious mind. So why wouldn't you be able to just "tweak" them to your advantage? Well the truth is that you can. You can explore all your memories, your minds talents and possibilities, and you can also subliminally program your subconscious to overcome a certain obstacle that your subconscious may be creating like a fear of what might be on the other side after you project your astral body and have your first out of body experience. Well if you can lucid dream then you can solve these problems. You can also relive or restudy an experience that you have had in your life all the way back to the time your memory collected data on occurrences around you. This could very well mean that you also have some faint memories dating all the way back to the time you were almost born. Some memories may be in the mind from those last days in the womb and if you want you can relive them to see what it was like. You can also explore the full power and capabilities that the mind has to offer. You can do this by many ways. You can imagine yourself in a long hallway with doors branching off into demonstrations of the minds power or you can have the doors branching off into different memories that you have in your mind. You can do this easily by basic though form creation. While in a dream you can imagine yourself standing in a white room with nothing in it but a large super computer. On this super computer, you can visualize, has a selection of every single memory that you have and that with a click of a button, they can be relived. It is as simple as that to explore your mind when in a lucid dream. The possibilities are unlimited when in a lucid dream. You can even project from them! So I suggest experiencing both astral projection and lucid dreaming as frequently as you can because they both have secret rewards that can be a great benefit to you.



~Cheers 

Oh btw whats your msn so I can add you also incase im not arround when you add me?

My msn is jeck140@aim.com and I am a 3 year astral projector. I am quite experienced when it comes to projection and I have developed many of my psychic abilities. I can offer you much valuable information so add me when you get a chance.