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For the OP I do have a question - what time is it when you die (in NPR I mean)? What year? How can we consider evolution in the non-physical and what frame of reference regarding time should we use? What happens if you re-incarnate in 1860 in an alternate Earth with a different history? How does evolution work then?

This helped me understand better the idea of time - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKsNraFxPwk - he also has written a book about it - The End of Time. It blew me away at the concepts presented. The youtube presentation is like a summary of the book but still gets the main idea.

Throughout the experience, he was simply visible in his light body from distances of 15 to 40 feet. Golden white light. He had a visible male body with no scars or markings or piercings. He looked human with some facial hair and long brown hair on his head. He looked like Jesus. I immediately recognized him as Jesus. I knew he was Jesus (and so did the 2nd witness).

Not to take away from your experience but I was wondering how do people know how Jesus actually looked - as in physical appearance?

A similar account that I stumbled upon a long time looking for the concepts of infinity - http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/stephen_t_nde.htm

First of all thanks a lot for fully watching the video. For some reason I don't think the space your talking about is the space that he Leo is talking about. Because in the space Leo is talking about you can't even fathom. There is absolutely no thought or cognition of any kind where he was at. There is also no subject and no object. Unless Leo went to the core place of what your talking about. Thoughts?

If there is no cognition of anything as you are implying then there is no way of retelling your experience. I know this is kinda tricky - but how can you be in a place where there is no self-awareness of any kind and then tell about it. It makes no sense. But maybe this wasn't what you were implying. For me the 3d black box - the void - you are still feeling as yourself - I mean you know that you are "somewhere" only that your point of view is expanded so that in a "sense" you have no "boundaries". I do admit that I did not watch the clip. I will look at it and come back with an opinion if there is something that I need to add.

From your description - I would guess it is scientology? It too has levels and needs you to pay up as you advance with a lot of money. I think you can find all the material available for free though.

Nothing is more hilarious (for me at least) that all of the cults are teaching stuff that is already available in some form or another that can be easily found through the internet.

In a nutshell - WBTB method. Study it and apply it. Look for Stephen LaBerge presentation in his book - Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming.

When I had many lucid dreams I was practically thinking it all day - doing reality checks, writing my dreams every day, having anchors - the ones that you see in your dream repeatedly so you can wake yourself up in the dream when you see one, doing WBTB. I was "infused" with the idea of lucid dreaming. So I had many in that time. There was also an expectation though that can make you strain too hard and not achieve it. You need to relax and let it go when you reach that phase. And it will come back.

The reason why WBTB is most effective is because you are rested and you don't tend to fall asleep as when you do it in the night. Your body is well adjusted to fall asleep in the morning than in the night because your muscles are already relaxed. Again look it up in the book of LaBerge - he explains all this process in detail and why it is so.

Have a good day.

If you get out a lot of the garbage about trance states you can say that anyone had that experience. If you drive a car on your highway and you are entranced in your own thoughts and your body does drive the car automatically you are in the state Tom Campbell suggests but not in a conscious way. That's the whole difference. When you are doing consciously you are in the state you describe.

It is the same as when reading a book and it so enthralls you that you forget your physical surroundings. You are still aware of your environment but it is in the "background" so to speak. So there is no mystery about it.

Hi.

From reading your post it indicates to me that maybe your timing is not that good for AP. You can do it in the morning after at least 6 hours of sleep. You can do the WBTB method. If you don't know what it is search it on this forum.

And for you to experience any sensation to AP you need more than hour. That's because your brain gets into theta-delta state after at least 90 minutes. Read the book of Stephen Laberge - Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming - it shows that when we sleep we are going through cycles of 90 minutes after which we have a REM period (associated with the dream stage). So as you go towards the morning - meaning at least 4 cycles of 90 minutes - this would be 6 hours of sleep - your REM period duration increases (as opposed to one in the beginning) so you can trigger the LD more easier. That's why the WBTB method is the most effective.

This reminds me of the story of John Titor -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor

From Wikipedia page -> "John Titor is the name used on several bulletin boards during 2000 and 2001 by a poster claiming to be a time traveler from 2036"

What is particularly fascinating about Frank is that over the years his story has been going into the myth land. I mean if 10 more years pass - I'm sure people will come up with all sorts of explanations as how he was a "combination" of multiple typologies/characters from the forum - wink! wink! aka he was Jesus ^^ incarnated once more to teaches us advanced stuff of how to visit the other realities.

As Xanth has said it doesn't matter if he existed or not - the information is great and it stood the test of time measured in years of Astral Pulse existence.

Describe in more detail the nature of your question so we can have a better understanding of what to respond.

Wow that look awesome. Thank you for posting it.

William these 2 threads in which you posted have been very entertaining. I couldn't help but ask a "trick" question and I am curious what is your answer.

Please explain what consciousness is without using any concepts that you know.

This reminded me of this video -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfvgvDkdG2M - Laughing Buddha

Hi everyone.

The problem lies in how you think about the issue. I think most of the problems that arise from reaching the state is by constantly shooting yourself in the foot by asking over and over if you are there yet.

You see if you read a book and you are so enthralled, engrossed in reading that's focused attention right there. You block out other sounds, you don't hear them. That's why someone might be telling you something and you don't hear. Because you are focused on the reading. It is the same with projecting. When you listen to the tape gateway first cd wave 2 many ask - am I there in Focus 10? Now if you are there why do you doubt it? Because you don't know how it should feel and you start to question yourself - because you have read some other experience and what he felt.

But everytime it says you are in Focus 10 you are already there. What the tape does is that it brings your attention so smoothly that you don't notice the fading in from outside reality to inner reality. You think you are still outside but you aren't. What the tape does also is to create some kind of anchor - when you first do the tape you have some "cues" that you have reached (for me it is my area of nose becoming really different from all of the other "points over my body" and I know I am there) and for others there are other cues. But whenever I meditate I don't reach the intent to have the area of my nose in a particular way - it's just the way it happens most of the time - even if it doesn't happen I know I am there.

Another way to put it - imagine in your head an apple - can you see it? And I don't mean to visualize it like you see in real life - in whatever way you see it trust it. Even if you have a feeling of what it should look like that's ok too. Whatever it is trust it. You will phase automatically when you generate some kind of environment and maintain your attention there.

Even Frank said that his body was in the "background". When you imagine something and then slowly create a world you go towards your attention and you generate less and less attention towards the physical. If you question yourself you automatically come back to your attention of the body and every time you do that you switch back from the imagination back to the body and you get in a loop. You shoot yourself in the foot like I say .

This is a scenario to show you this point - the tape says you are in F10 - you ask yourself am I in F10 - I don't feel like I'm in F10 - let's see if I can hear the sounds outside - and of course you hear them - then you think damn it and I was so close to reaching F10 and then you try again and you do it again.

You switch back from F10 to F1 only because of where you direct your attention. Ignore your questions of being in F10 - just assume that you are there. Assume that everything works accordingly and you will reach what you want to have in the first place.

You don't need to disconnect your awareness totally from the body - like in OBE. There were many cases in which people still felt to some degree the body and had beautiful experiences. They didn't question what was happening. They did go with the flow. Even Frank was in the same case.

But you say I want to have that experience in which I feel like I'm there (with all of my 5 senses) - and I'm telling you that the first thing you should do to reach that state is forget about your ideas of how it should be done (by constantly asking yourself if you are there yet). Forget all about what you read. Go with the flow. The more you go with the flow the more you are in that state. It's really much simpler than people think.

Again it's like imagining an apple. Can you imagine it? That's it. You are there. But you say - I'm not seeing like in the physical - well it's not physical - that's why . The more you stay in the frame of the mind that it doesn't feel like in the physical the more grounded you become in the physical - you see how you get yourself in a loop ? It's so simple that people don't believe it's that simple.

Hi there. I've posted this long post in another forum but thought that it may be useful in here as well. This was a response to someone as to what is an OBE and what is not - regarding preconceptions and belief systems about the process. For reference Bashar is an entity channeled by Darryl Anka whom I regard to be one of the clearest channel in bringing high quality information.

I wanted to share a few tidbits of my own experiences with OBEs and lucid dreaming. First of all the different degrees of awareness make the difference between OBE's and lucid dreaming. In OBE you maintain the whole awareness during the whole process. That means that as you are going to sleep you retain your awareness and you seem to notice when you change from a reality frame (our day to day physical reality) to another reality frame (dream reality). You are conscious from the beginning to the end (until you return back to waking physical reality).

In lucid dreaming you are losing your awareness in the beginning and you suddenly are in the dream state as if you just popped out of nowhere without being conscious of the process. Remember though that losing of awareness is still a judgement on your part of how it should actually needed to be done. It is often made when you wake up and try to understand it rationally and you say to yourself - I must have slipped somehow in the process and awoke in the dream as if I hadn't been aware of the process. Just because your perception of awareness changes doesn't mean that you aren't conscious of it.

I mean by judging the experience you are saying that it doesn't feel like waking experience in which you are so focused and fine tuned to a narrow frequency.

As Bashar says by living in the moment you stop using your memory in the traditional way and start using it in a different way. You know every moment that what you need to know is right here and right now. That's why one of the reasons he says space and time is becoming more fluid, more slippery, more conducive is because we are learning how to do that.

And bit by bit you realize sometimes that you trust yourself so much that you even cannot realize that you've arrived from point A to point B without being aware of the in between. But it's ok. You don't even need to know. All you need to know as always is right here and right now. If it isn't there then you don't need to know it. Trust it.

That's why people are experiencing nowadays subjective time more than objective time. When you are doing something that you really like time seems to fly by. But as Bashar says the reality is that you don't need to create as much time as before.

Now going back to OBEs. Your brainwaves are always characterized by beta, alpha, theta and delta frequencies. When you are going to sleep your most dominant brainwave goes from beta (waking state) to alpha, theta and delta (dreamless sleep).

Most of the experiences of OBE's are in the range of theta and delta. From my own experience what happens when you are going to sleep is that your body starts shutting down your 5 ways of physical perception (sight, sound, smell, taste and feel).

This experience of going from normal waking state to a state of sleep is accompanied by a range of different sensations. How you get those sensations are different from a case to case basis. They are highly subjective and that's why so many people are saying different things about them. There are general models (like vibrations, hearing voices, strange sounds) but that doesn't mean that you automatically need to have them.

Your experience is translated into your own symbols so that you can relate to it.  You have your own database of knowledge (your experience with physical reality, your desires, your beliefs) and it colors very much the experience you are having. Let me give you an example of why so many people encounter the vibration state because it is one of the hallmarks of going to OBE.

Suppose you start to read about books from other people who have gone out-of-body.  They say that in order for you to reach the OBE state you will get the vibration or it is highly likely.  Most of the times I haven't experienced the vibration state.  It was one or two times in which I had a mildly vibrating state.  The rest of the experiences I had were without vibration.

Another one that is again stressed out in many books is the silver cord attached to your body. I have never seen this cord.  But so many people do see it. Now what does it tell you about people who experience both of these categories. It would seem as people have different perceptions of the experience. But why you may ask. It is because in what they believe in.

If you believe that you need to have a marker point and it is the only way to acknowledge yourself that you've gone OBE is to experience vibration then until you experience vibration you will dismiss your experiences although they may be valid.  And your desire can become so strong that you eventually create this delineation from waking state to sleep state.  Others because they don't know what that means and so their belief is not so strong they don't achieve the vibration state and often ask themselves why it keeps so long to achieve it. At one time I was one of them.

Remember what Bashar is saying about his meditation. When going into a guided meditation he emphasizes that whatever you get in your perception is how the experience is attuned to your own imagination and you should not dismiss it. If you get a feeling that's ok, if you get a knowing that's ok, if you get a symbolic image that's ok, if you get it in the way of the sounds that's ok; whatever mode of perception you get it is specifically keyed into your own imagination template and it can be experienced subjectively in multiple forms.

When I got my first out-of-body experience it wasn't how i pictured it should be going. After trying for 2-3 months one night I've gone to a party and drank a lot. I've come home to about 2-3 am and stayed at the computer until 5-6 am. I put my body on my bed and instantly I popped out of my body. How I did perceive it was that I've gone to a point of awareness  and slided from my top-center of the head through my body and reached out through my feet experiencing a 180 degree turn in my awareness.  Another good analogy is if you put your water into your bath and then you remove the plug. The water rushes and it's going down by being sucked through that little hole in your bath. That's how I felt and translated my own experience.

Until this time that I got one of the classical out-of-body experiences  I have dismissed other experiences like hypnagogia (or phasing called by Monroe), other sounds, other ways of perceiving non-physical reality. My Higher Self, All That Is,  The System, God call it what you will gave me the experience eventually in this form to make me realize - Hey you are more than the physical body. Before this experience I was somewhat frustrated that I hadn't gone OBE and I shouted to the universe - if there is something out there and if astral projection exists and it isn't something that people lie about please give me an experience, some proof that it is real.  I begged and stated my intent to the universe. Later on I have experienced what I have recounted as my first out-of-body experience.

But you see I had way more signals before but because I had a belief that that's how I should experience it I dismissed them. I had made the same mistake as so many others and I have borrowed others belief systems.  The expectations that I had got in my way of the experience.

From my understanding of the experience it was that particular way of sliding through my body because I have read it from a book and All That Is gave me the experience so that I can acknowledge myself and say - Yes I am really out there and not in this physical universe and it is ALL REAL.

If you read about people meditating and having different experiences one of the most commonly known is having the kundalini experience. Again if you are into that kind of a belief system (being that you are culturally born in that society or you read it from some book, or some teacher is saying how he perceived his experience) you are going sometime to experience it if you are clear enough in your intent and you have a strong desire to achieve it.

But you see all of the above it is not necessary. A trust that you always get what you need is all that is necessary no matter what your rational and intellectual mind is saying to you.

Now after several experiences of these kind I have made some astounding revelations.  And I think it keyes into what HighWistler is saying and others.  If you read of people who started to achieve OBE's on will they started to realize something incredible. They are not going anywhere. They are just shifting their perspective. And that you don't need to have all these baggage beliefs from others (vibrations, voices, popping sounds, visions, hypnagogia and so on) and you can experience it by just using your own imagination.

One of the common remarks about this is - "It Cannot Be That Simple - Come On. There has to be something more to it than that. I don't believe it".  Remember Bashar is saying that anything you can imagine is real and that you cannot imagine non-existence.

Now when you are using your imagination you would be saying - but I still can feel my body, my surroundings, I still can sense so many things around me - I am not really out there. But that's just your belief. Transmute that into "So what if I can feel it - that doesn't mean I am not out there". It is This and That.  It's not one way or another.  Your consciousness is used to your body and it is merged with it for lack of a better word. You don't need to have the experience of total disconnection from your body consciousness in order for you to see that you're out-of-body.

That's why so many people who trust themselves,  in Bashar meditations they experience so many wonderful things. Because they don't judge the experience in how it should be done.

Now if in your imagination you go really deep - you become immersed in it -  you will have a much higher degree of a portion of your own consciousness gone from your body. Imagine the radio analogy. Your physical reality is one station. Another reality is on another frequency.  When you go from one station to another you encounter static but if you go after the static you will get some low signal (sounds and static) and if you go exactly at the next station frequency you will hear it in full force.  The degree of how one perceives another reality is how you tune yourself into it. If you imagine strongly being there (by a high degree of color, sound, smell, taste and feel sensations in your imagination) you are leaping from your physical reality to the static to another frequency like in the radio analogy. Of course you don't need to go into these steps sequentially. This is just for the purpose of illustration. By how strong you immerse and trust yourself you will be on another frequency. Remember that the analogy of the radio is still an analogy and in your imagination the static can be perceived as the void - another reality unto itself - or as how people experiencing it- they say they are just being - beingness - existence itself  - All That Is is - White Light and so on.

Ok I will leave you with an explanation from Robert Monroe about phasing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPLwvidLqlA and a transcript from Bashar

Astral Projection and the Focus of Consciousness

Q: I understand that on your planet the males, for the most part, have no hair.

B: Yes.

Q: Have you ever considered going into the business of making toupees?

B: No.

Q: Well. . . you haven't got any money on your planet anyway, so you don't have anything with which "to pay" for it. . . toupee? (Groaning from the audience: "Back to the camera!") (Note: the pun-maker is Ken G., the cameraman.)

Q2: One of the things that I do in a waking state – physical waking state – is that I will imagine myself moving out of my body, sometimes above it, above the rooftops. . .

B: Yes.

Q: I can move around. When I re-emerge with my body, I get a rush – like a rush of energy is occurring.

B: Yes.

Q: And in this state I don't have a visual perception. It's more of a knowingness perception, where it's as though it's dark out and I can't see anything, but I just know that I am above the tops of the roofs. . .

B: Yes. Sometimes because, once again, simply by the habit of being in physical reality, it may take a little while for you to get used to the idea of how to open your astral eyes.

Q: Okay.

B: To really know you are seeing. Because, understand, you are not seeing in the same way at all. Because you do not have eyes, as you understand them, in the astral state.

Q: Right. Well, that bears on a related area of this question. And that is that while I'm doing this, I also have full perception of what my body is experiencing. I can still feel my body lying or sitting, touching, tasting; whatever it might be experiencing.

B: You can form relative degrees of disassociation from your physiological reality.

Q: Well, what I'm saying is that I'm doing both at the same time. I'm aware of being out, and also in – not really in, but out and still feeling.

B: Yes.

Q: Is this technically astral projection?

B: It can be, because, once again, technically, your body is inside your consciousness, and therefore, it is always contained in any expansion of consciousness. Let's look at it this way: physiologically, as a mechanism, think of your consciousness for now as a sphere. All right?

Q: Yes.

B: Think now, when you are physically focused, that the sphere, let us say, is simply in the shape of your body. All right?

Q: Okay.

B: Then when you go out of body, it is not that you are actually exiting the body; it is that you are expanding the sphere, so that your consciousness is now out here, further and further and further. You follow me?

Q: I do understand that concept.

B: Your consciousness, therefore, is actually always 360 degrees around your body, which is at the center, so to speak; or physical reality, in a sense, because it is so dense, represents the center of your consciousness. You collapse and condense inward to form highly solid reality. You expand and go outward like a bubble to go into the more ethereal realm.

This is why, when you expand the bubble of your consciousness, you can travel here and there, and here and there, with absolutely no time involved between traveling, because your consciousness is everywhere – 360 degrees. And all you're doing when you go from this point on the bubble to that point on the bubble is closing your eyes here and opening them over there, to see a different point of view.
So, if you perhaps use this mechanism in your imagination, and continue to expand the bubble and assume that you are the consciousness always moving with the skin of the bubble – and yet, at the same time, you can always be aware of what is contained within the bubble – then you can jockey, as you say, back and forth, back and forth. Or remain in the skin; or go into the physical reality, or expand the bubble as large as you wish, or as tightly as you wish.

This is a direct mechanical analogy of astral projection. It is not simply just the idea of a spirit leaving the body. It is an expansion of your entire consciousness, so that your focal point is now on the skin of the bubble moving outward. You follow me?

Q: Yes, I was aware of this concept.

B: Yes.

Q: And when I said I was leaving, I didn't mean to imply that I thought my consciousness was actually my body.

B: Oh, we did not mean to imply that you were implying that. We are simply giving you, perhaps, the idea of a mechanism to explain the effect you are feeling.

Q: Okay.

B: So technically, yes.

Q: Technically, I'm astral projecting.

B: Yes. It just depends upon the idea of where you choose to focus the mainstay of your consciousness. Many individuals, in other words, would assume that it is not completely astral projection unless you lost the realization of the focus of your physical form.

Q: Yeah.

B: It is still astral projection, but it may simply be that your consciousness is not focused in the skin of the bubble, but throughout the entire thing.

Q: Multiply focused, certainly. Well, I understand the whole phenomenon of perception, anyway, is the selection of a viewpoint. . .

B: Yes.

Q: . . . in a created space.

B: Yes. So astral projection is simply one of those viewpoints, in the sense of being completely disconnected from the body. That is simply another point of view.

Q: Okay. Well you're saying that astral projection technically would require this disconnection, or apparent disconnection, from the sensations of the body? Or does. . .

B: It doesn't have to.

Q: Oh, okay.

B: But because of the habit your society is in – and I'm not saying that this is the way it has to be with you – many individuals will not allow themselves to believe that it has actually been done, unless they are capable of forming that apparent disassociation. To know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they actually can shuttle their focus of consciousness back and forth between the physical and the
non-physical.

Q: Okay.

B: When you are, quote/unquote, physically dead, that is when the disconnection apparently happens naturally. Although, again, when you elevate to higher and higher levels, you will once again re-form the connection that you are feeling now. So in a sense, what you are doing, in order to still feel the connection, is you are expanding astrally to a much broader realm than the immediate sphere just around your planet. You're actually passing through that, so that you can maintain an awareness of the connection all the way through the different levels.

Q: Uh huh.

B: You follow me?

Q: Yes. How would one go about learning to open the astral eye, as you said?

B: Again, there can be many ways. You can use the analogy of your own physical eye; and while you are expanded, simply begin, bit by bit, to remove your focus from the physical. One thing that can assist many of you is to assume that you can also turn around on the skin of the sphere and look outwards.

Q: Huh! Certainly.

B: See what that does. That is one way. Use your imagination, as always.

Q: Okay.

B: And also there are many suggestions within some of the literature on astral projection that individuals in your society have already written about.

Q: Okay. Thank you very much.

B: Thank you. Sharing!

And for the ones who have arrived at the end of my long posting give yourself 5 stars and congratulations.

Have a good day,

Ozzy

AstralAnarchist just to show you a sinchronicity of your idea watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqtXzX0UQOo - Bashar about winning the lottery

It's the same as your idea.

And here's the new movie about the afterlife

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDZhWA5T574 - Nosso Lar (Astral City) trailer
lhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1467388 - imdb link

Storyline

The selfish Dr. André Luiz dies and awakes in a kind of limbo called "Umbral". After a painful and numb period in a gruesome swamp, he is rescued and brought to "Nosso Lar" (meaning "Our Home"), a spiritual city. He finds a place of harmony, where people live in peace, working for the good of humanity, for the self evolution and awaiting for reincarnation. Sooner André Luiz changes his behavior becoming a more self aware and altruist man.

It was made after the book

http://www.amazon.com/Nosso-Lar-Account-Spirit-Spiritis/dp/8598161217/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1297858921&sr=8-9 - Nosso Lar - An Account of Life in a Spirit Colony in the World of Spiritis by Francisco Cândido Xavier - this is a channeled book

The media is picking up in small increments the idea of life after death. It is good to see it's being targeted at the large audience.

This comes from the main original site in which you can find more of this info

http://www.spiritwatch.ca/

I really like the content. It's so good that I can't stop reading. It has many parts that didn't make it into the books of LaBerge.

This reminds me of some cool experiences I've had. The first one is staring at the sky. In my mind it formed a pattern , a sort of vortex and I was seeing it visually. It intrigued me but I dismissed it as something that the eyes are tricking me.

The other is much more like what you are seeing. Whenever I am concentrating on a meditative image with very low light my visual field narrows and it starts forming a tunnel view. The corners around me disappear and it remains only the image that I'm staring at. This is done still with no blinking. If I blink than the effect diminishes a bit.

Another experience that has happened a few times is watching in the darkness of my eyes. As I stand there watching, an image is forming. I'm absolutely amazed at this experience. I didn't do it on purpose. I was just resting. These were all done effortless and they happened spontaneously.

thats just it we have no choice. every family is part of the prison system

You have the choice of choosing to see that you have no choice. Isn't that a choice?

Sorry for the late reply, as I was busy.

The very first thing, you can not be awake if you have thoughts running in your mind. When you are Awake, there will be no thoughts. How can you be alert and daydreaming altogether?

The phasing theory is a bit different than this meditation awareness technique. Meditation alertness technique leads you to the path of enlightenment while phasing is something very different than this. The meaning of Buddha is "The Awakened One", there was no day dreaming involved. He was a complete consciousness. 

For me, phasing becomes very easy if you are Awake. When you are able awake in your daily life, you will be awaken even when your body goes to sleep. You will never sleep in fact. But it will take time. To be witness is the key and that will lead you to this awakening stage.

Once you are awake, you will not have to shift your consciousness anywhere, just let you body sleep and your will be phased to another dimension.

People start practicing phasing directly while if they learn this Witness technique, phasing will become much more easy.

So phasing practice during sleep is not not a good practice. How can you be awake in your sleep while you are NOT at ALL awake when you think you are awake. To know this, just sit in front of your loved one (mother father or wife..etc..) and then look at his/her face, just look with full awakeness when you will see with awakeness, remember there will be no thought in your mind. If there is a thought that means you are not awake. Try to see their face and then you will start realizing that you are seeing him/her first time in your life. You haven't actually saw your loved one ever. You have never seen things with full awareness. Just look at your house, look at you lawn without any thought in mind and then you will realize the meaning of awakened stage.

One thing here to remember, seeing with awareness, as a Witness doesn't mean that you need to Concentrate on that object, No never.. When you are aware, you see things as whole. You are never involved in that object, Remember this.

Let me know if you need any more clarifications.

Regards

What you said about being awake is this mindfulness what you're speaking of? When I practiced MILD which for me is just another induction of phasing I managed 2-3 times to stay awake during the whole process. For me the experience was going to point-consciousness and sinking in my body and then straight to the dreamworld without any interruptions.

Ok so you're saying breath-awareness and phasing don't relate to each other. Yes?

I will try to explain in more detail my earlier question. When I'm starting the process of phasing I am stilling my mind. In this time my mind concentrates only on being aware of my inner sound. Whenever I have any thoughts I gently let them pass by. As time passes on I will drift to sleep. I think that in the moments prior to my body going to shutdown my mind is inundated by thoughts. At this point I cannot let the thoughts go away and I get overwhelmed. I admit that this is a possibility of me sleeping in the bed.

Whenever I do the breath awareness when sitting straight for 15-20 minutes I can keep my awareness and let the thoughts go and return to breath. Maybe an increase in the time spent in meditation can be of benefit in the long run.

Anyway the difference between phasing and breath awareness comes to being active or passive. I think one of the main reason that my thoughts are overrunning me is because my mind is not engaged enough to maintain the attention necessary.  I try to phase when going to sleep.

To wrap up I sometimes do breath awareness and sometimes I do phasing. I like both of them and sometimes I try to combine them. 

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Hi indian. I have a few questions for you. I have done a bit of meditation here and there. I know that to be good in phasing you need to practice more but I will nevertheless keep asking what's bugging me.

Whenever I observe my breath the thoughts are starting to fade way. Slowly but surely my subconscious takes a hold of me and I can see myself watching my own symbology of dreaming. These days I play a lot of Starcraft 2 so whenever I get to a light sleep I just observe my own thoughts. Obviously my dream is about something but this something is covered in starcraft 2 symbology because it is so ingrained in my mentality right now. In all of the cases I am tired but can still watch my own subconscious.

Now my question to you if you had experience with this - is how do I get active within it? I am supposing that this is to being tired and my waking awareness just goes bye bye when starting light dreaming (e.g. when taking a nap). I can usually observe my thoughts when going in a car, riding a train, going for a nap  just to give you a few examples. I sometimes meditate on a chair or on the bed and with the back straight up. At the moment I can only observe my thoughts.

I want to keep my waking consciousness in my phasing so I can direct my awareness in another direction than simply watching my own thoughts. I seem at the moment that I cannot direct it to anything. As soon as I try to bring my awareness I snap suddenly back to waking consciousness.

Another point I wanted to ask is about clarity in phasing versus lucid dreaming. Whenever I lucid dream the imagery is crystal clear. Whenever I observe my own subconscious it is like daydreaming (the imagery being well different from lucid dreaming - I think you know what I mean).

From your own experience once you become accustomed to your subconscious and start being active with your waking awareness does the imagery become like in a lucid dream? Or it just stays like in a daydreaming?

I think the general answer is more practice as usual .

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i've gotta be honest, the thing i saw here in va didn't look like balloons.

but the nyc objects look odd.  i know it's not appropriate to apply my perspective of reality if there is suspicion of something that may be beyond my understanding.  but what could you imagine that would "fly" like that?  a ship? a camera? a probe?  can't really think of much that would move like that that would be "otherworldly" in any sense.

You keep thinking that the orbs represent the whole object. The part that we are seeing is only the part that is visible to us in 3d. If the object is higher in dimension it could look a whole lot different. If you know the analogies in geometry about how you can deduce an objects appearance going backwards from 2d to 3d then you can see the similarity of it from 3d to 4d for example if indeed this is an UFO object.