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I guess it's my bad english so you didn't understand that. I've meant that person is a materialist only when gaining wealth has higher priority than friends and family. When a person wants to gain wealth, but gaining wealth has lower priority than family, friends and honor - it's not materialism.

Yes your english isn't too clear but it's okay. You may well be right, just that some of us have different definitions of what certain terminology means (there lies the problem with using terminology).

No, "power" is completely different definition. That is egocentrism.

Again, you have a different definition of "power". To me, wealth has the added problem of making someone think they have the power to do things to people, such as mind games amongst other things. Of course, not every rich person is like this, but I find that quite a lot of rich people fall into what I call the "power trap". Unfortunately a lot of these people have massive egos to match their wealth.

You are right. But they are not unhappy because of wealth, but because gaining more and more has became a goal in itself for them. It's like chasing the illusion and emptiness.

Let's see, from what I've seen, usually wealth leads to the things you and I have mentioned (relating to wealth), so therefore in a lot of cases wealth is the root problem. If they were poor, I'm willing to bet they wouldn't be chasing an illusion which can lead to spiritual discontentment.

I know, but the work can be found much more easily. Nearly everyone in my town has some relative who works in US/UK, and if a person that doesn't even speak english can work there the situation is much better that here, because in Poland there aren't any jobs even for some people with higher education.

That's nonsense. If work was easier to find, then how come I'm still out of work, despite hunting for a year since I left college? I am well educated and have good qualifications and yet, there are no jobs in the region where I live for me.

It is possible, my mother spent childhood in similar situation, but somewhat better - they had a farm, so there was no problem with food. They were happy with their lives, had honor and were spiritual. But what about people whose whole family is under heavy neg influence? Without the specific knownledge their suffering cannot be stopped.
Without internet I would never get rid of neg influence and now with the help of other family memebers nearly all the negs in our family are destroyed. Also without internet I'd never gain any level of healing or magickal abilities and I would never fix my depression.

I know about heavy neg influence, it affected my family to a serious exent, causing the deaths of two members of my family. I won't go into details, but I tried to help one of them, but it was too late. Internet and books didn't help in their case.

In my case, I have depression, have had it for years. But I'm slowly beating it, not through the use of healing or magic, but through counselling, friends/familyand though my own spirituality, which comes from within myself, not from the internet or books. Ok, it might not work for some people, they will have to find some other way of helping themselves, possibly from books and the internet, but personally, your statement about the internet and books does not ring true for me. Like I say, I speak from personal experience.

About Karma: I know it works, because I've noticed that problems always come shortly after I use magick for evil things, but situation with grandmother is different. She is very slef-righteous and she'll never learn anything from punishments.
As I said before the situation is very complex; she has feelings and seems to want to help others but she is under heavy neg influence, and starts causing harm at random moments. She was like this through her whole life. once when my aunt(and my grandmother's daughter) was a child she didn't want to eat (I don't know how it's called in english, rissole? cutlet?) so she put it in the bucket with (organic thrash from kitchen that is feed to pigs - also don't know english name for it). Grandma found it and force-feed it to my aunt to punish her. She is proud of it even now.
About free will: if a person don't even deserve to exist at all then she doesn't deserve to have free will too. Think about that healing as a tool by which karma will express itself.

It doesn't matter what your grandmother is like, you don't have the right to decide what she deserves. Just like no one else has the right to say you don't deserve to exist or whatever. Sorry if that sounds judgemental, that's not my intention.

She won't be free of neg influence until she actually helps herself. Until then, nothing you do will help her. Say you tried to rid the negs influencing her, and it works (temporarily), they won't stay away for long until she helps herself by doing the things necessary to keep them away. Negs need permission to influence or attach to someone (apart from really powerful demons, I'm not exactly sure how they work, but from information I've gathered, "regular" negs need permission of some sort, even if you're not aware of giving permission, again I speak from experience, I've experienced and witnessed negs at work from within my family). Apologies if I'm incorrect about your Grandmother, but from what you've said, it doesn't sound like Grandmother wants to help herself.

And I am sorry to hear your Grandmother treated your aunty badly.

My Mum (being under heavy neg influence) put me through a lot of bad things when I was a child. Yet, I'm not bitter about it. Mum turned out to be a wonderful person in the end, but unfortunately, after more than 20 years of being under neg influence, it was too late for her. She died 3 months after I helped her (but she helped herself a lot this time) get rid of these influences, but her death was a result of what these negs put her and the rest of the family though. Bear in mind, I'm not trying to make what you and your family went through sound trivial, because everyone has issues of some sort to deal with.

To clarify what I said about negs needing permission, and they won't go until the "victim" (for lack of a better word) helps themselves too, my Mum went through more than 20 years of neg influence, I tried to help her over the years, but the problem would not go, because she would not help herself. However, 3 months before she died, she helped herself a lot, and I helped her, so the neg problem went away. Mum allowed the negs to enter her life in the first place, although she wasn't aware she was allowing them into her life. I don't think she even realised it to her dying day. :/

If I don't make much sense, it's because it's late and I'm tired, lol.

Not really. I've seen true materialism, and it is not about desire to have more wealth. It's about gaining wealth having higher priority than friends, family and everything else.

You don't make sense when you say true materialism is not about gaining wealth, then in the next breath you say that it's about gaining wealth, having higher priority than others. Make up your mind - is it, or it is not, about gaining wealth?

And just for the record, wealth isn't necessarily about money, it's also about possessions (in the context of materialism). So it's still being materialistic whichever way you look at it, be it possessions or money.

When you say about getting higher priority than friends/family and everything else, that is power. In my experience, power and materialism/monetery wealth go hand-in-hand most of the time.

And every time I meet a person who is powerful and wealthy in terms of money and possessions, all I see is a person who is so engrossed in himself, in when he can make his next million, in putting a front up so that he appears to have more status than others. That is not spiritual. People like that cannot develop spiritually in this way beause there is no room for development in their lives. It's all a pretence, an illusion. I've had contact with many people like this, and it's the same every time. And guess what? These people are not truly happy.

For example, my best friend comes from a working class family. However, his mother has had a good job, that pays well (just retired). She has a Merc, nice car, nice house, a rich boyfriend who has a villa in Portugal, and yet, she is not happy. She is a selfish, mixed up, over-emotional, judgemental person who has no regards for anyone's feelings, not even her own family, and she has developed some mental/personality disorder that she suffers from. According to my friend, she wasn't always like this, she only became like this ever since she let money rule her heart and her life. This is a classic example of what I mean.

Maybe in UK/US, but in Poland being poor means having no money not only to pay the bills but even to feed the children. How anyone can be happy having to beg neighbours that hey lend some money for bread? About people with somewhat higher social status(but considered poor too): Is it possible to find any happines when working 12 hours per day in supermarket for 200$/month? I don't think so.

What makes you think that the problem of poverty (extreme poverty) does not exist in UK/US? It exists everywhere. Yes, where I come from - the UK, there are people who are so poor, they live ont he streets or in hostels, they cannot support themselves or their families. It's not so widely seen, but it still exists. Ok, these people will have more stressful lives, but it is still possible to have spiritual contentment if you're destitute, but only if you are in the right frame of mind.

And, er, somehow I think you are not in the right frame of mind, or just simply inexperienced, since I know lots of people who work their fingers tot he bone for peanuts, and they are happy within themselves.

Because they don't know how to live. Wealth itself doesn't cause happiness, but neither does the lack of wealth.

I'd agree they don't know how to live, and that wealth does not cause happiness, when it comes to lack of wealth then I disagree (see my last point).

There cannot be any spiritual development, because without money you can't buy spiritual books, have computer and internet access. Also when working 12 h/day there's no time for anything, let alone meditation.

You do not need spiritual books or the internet in order to advance spiritually. You only need them for reference, learning about things that you are interested in. Books and internet can help, but they don't help to advance spiritually. Only YOU can do that.

Take my Gran for intance. She was spiritual, and  she never, not once, read a book on spirituality or used the internet. Her spirituality came from within herself, and from the lessons and hardships she had to deal with in her life. And her life was very very hard. Might I add, she had to work 3 jobs, raise 3 children and take care of her husband, and do all the housework, and she's never meditated. She never had need for meditation. When she was growing up, she had to help care for her mother who was often sick, do the housework (they never had machines to help, no washing machines, no dishwashers, no electricity etc), and she couldn't go to school very often. Her parents couldn't afford to buy food etc, they had to grow their own food, hunt animals etc so they could all survive. That's hardship, but guess what? They were all happy. My gran's mother was also psychic, and she had never meditated or do the stuff that a lot of people do nowadays in the name of spirituality.

Anyway you need to live your life in the way you think is good, deal with hardships and whatever life throws in your path, and learn from life to advance spiritually.

didn't say anywhere anything about LOTS of money. I've only said that some amount of money is needed, and certainly such amount of money cannot be gained by having typical job(at least in Poland).

I've never said that you had said that we need lots of money. I was just making a point.

My grandmother is a very complex problem. I think that manipulating her by magick can be described as "spiritual healing", because she'll be cured from her obsession with money. The obsession that destroyed lives of 4 people and caused unimmaginable amounts of harm to others. She's a cruel psychopath/sadist that doesn't deserve to live, so such manipulation can be considered only an act of mercy.

I'm going to be very blunt here (although I don't want to judge, but to offer my opinion).

It's up to your grandmother to sort herself out, and if she has caused that much pain to people, then she will have to face it sooner or later, whether she's still in this world or in the next. Karma works in many mysterious ways. You might not think karma exists or maybe you have different beliefs, that's cool, but trust me, she will get what she deserves in the end. However, it's not for you to decide what should happen to her, or what she deserves. If she is as bad as you say then I doubt someone like yourself could do so much "spiritual healing" AKA manipulation to help her anyway. I don't even think you should even attempt to do that, as you would be interfering with her free will. If she does not want to change, then she will not truly change. I have no idea why you're so obsessed with her obsession with money or whatever.

Because I see them. But sometimes they are strangers. I don't have these dreams too often, just that when I do,  I tend to see people who I know from real life. Don't forget I also sense whether they are familiar to me or not. It's not just by sight.

I know what you meant.

lol

Well you could always create a thought form

"And you know the best about all of it? I can have any kind of sex i want"
- Waking Life

I think that movie has many great point and not just about this topic

I don't need a thought form. People in my dreams seem to be quite happy to oblige where sex is concerned... of course some of them might be a though form, but more often or not, they are people who I know in real-life, which in a twisted kind of way is scary... not that I'm twisted or perverted lol, I'm not.

Father Satans Follower PM me if you want to discuss having a psychic reading. I sure can use the practice to develop my skills.

and of course having reasonable level of wealth and good job(when thinking desperately on how to get money to pay bills no spiritual advancement is possible)

Your last point is just materialistic. This is why I don't agree we do need wealth in terms of money or possessions. I think you'll find that some of the poorest (in terms of money and possessions) are the richest in what matters - love and happiness. I've experienced this for myself so I should know what I am talking about. That is why I strongly disagree that psychic abilities should be used for materialistic gain.

Some of the richest people in the world can be one of the most unhappy people. Money/possessions do not buy what is really important (TRUE love and happiness). I have heard of people who have great wealth of money, and they are truely miserable. I guess they can be miserable in comfort, not that it matters.

We do need enough money to live and survive, I am not disputing that. I'm only disputing the fact that without a good job and wealth, there can be no happiness or spiritual advancement. As long you have just enough to cover your bills, then there should be no problem with making yourself happy. Note I said MAKING YOURSELF HAPPY. You have to make yourself happy, and if you can do it without the frills, then kudos to you. If you need lots of money etc to make yourself happy then I would say you have a problem.

Worth thinking about, hmm?

EDIT: Btw using your psychic abilities to gain wealth from people, even if you hate their guts, is not a good use, and is "cheating" (for a lack of a better word). You're abusing your abilities imo if that is what you use it for. I'm just reminding you because of another post you made about your grandmother in another thread (wish I could remember which one though, might be able to find it sometime).

I want to point out that telepathy is more often used in dreams and the spirit world. As we are spirits, this would come naturally to us whether we are in physical plane or elsewhere, but as AstralSailor says, most of us are not aware of it.

Saggi here...

I know what you meant.

I'd like to know more about this sort of thing. GOTHIKA you can PM me with information on Psi Vampirism if you wish. Not that I am a psi vampire, I'm not, but since I'm open minded I wouldn't mind finding out about it from the horse's mouth.

I've never heard any techs for learning the kind of mind reading you wish, that is direct hearing of thoughts. But I've seen two practical approaches -
1. Learn non-verbal communication. Its commonly called body language, but is more than reading one's body. We give away most of our (secret) thoughts unknowingly.
2. Open your heart chakra. You'll become over-sensitive to others feelings (not left-brain thought). Sometimes its very annoying but.

I don't think that is quite the same thing as telepathy.

hi again

lately i was asking myself questions like :
why would some ppl have psychic ability? (or want to develop it)
.. question seems right in my head, but for reader it is easily misunderstood.. hmm. i hope you unerstand me..

what is the purpose? .. i want to know "dimensionality" of this , because something inside has been telling me, that helping people is not It.. that there is something more?
i mean helping ppl is it, but its not all...

i really cant "figure" it out, please help me out.. thanks, bye


edit: that helping ppl is just part of it.. but not ALL

Ok I'll do my best to answer this one, as I see it. I'm psychic myself so this is coming from my own experience.

As far as I can tell, everyone has the ability to be psychic, but for most of us, we have to develop it. Now, what makes anyone discover their ability or to want to develop it? I'll speak from my own experience, since I can only speak for myself in this respect. This is going to be a long post, so apologies for that.

I spent my childhood being able to sense spirits, although I didn't really realise that I was able to sense them most of the time. I used to live in a house where there was an old lady occupying it as a spirit. My sister who was very young at the time told me and my mother one evening that she saw "faces" looking at her in the spare room. I went upstairs with my sister and went into the room, only to find nothing in there. However, I never doubted that my sister saw what she saw, as she was genuinely scared.

My mother on occasions used to see and feel the old lady on the stairs. One evening, I went to bed, and my bedroom had wooden floors. I am deaf, so cannot hear anything, but I can feel vibrations, such as if someone slammed the door, I'd know about it because of the vibrations, or if someone walked around on th wooden floors, I would know because of the vibrations. anyway, I was drifting off to sleep when I felt footsteps right next to the bed. I opened my eyes and saw no-one there. I also felt a presence, although it wasn't a nasty presence.

On another occasion, I was staying with my grandmother, and my sister was staying with her father. My mother was alone in the house. That evening she told me that she went into my room to put my clothes away, and noticed that a lamp was on. so she turned it off. Then she went back downstairs. When she came back upstairs to go to bed, the lamp in my room was turned off. My mother knew it was the old lady turning my lamp on, as my mother had turned the lamp off earlier in the evening. So she asked the spirit to stop turning the lamp on. The old lady never did it again.

We used to live in an apartment before my sister was born, I must have been about 5 or 6 years old (the memory of this experience has never gone away). I was tucked up in bed, and had a scary dream about my father (who had died when I was a baby, he used to beat my mother and do dreadful things to her when they were married). He was chasing me with a knife, I knew he wanted to kill me, so I was running as fast as I could. I ran, and ran, eventually I reached a wall. I jumped the wall, and then woke up. The layout of my bedroom meant that my bed was directly facing the windows with the curtains drawn. As soon as I woke up, I saw a spirit come through the curtains, it was massive, and had a black face with a purple cloak covering it's head. I could feel an evil presence and obviously I was scared so I started screaming for my mother. Anybody could say that it was just my imagination, but I know for a fact it wasn't my imagination because my mother told me (when I was older) that when I had that experience, at the same time, my mother was in bed with her partner, and her partner told her that he heard someone whisper the word "rose" in his ear. My mother hadn't told him anything about my father, but in fact, Rose was my father's sister, who he was very close to. There was no way my mother's partner could have known this. So piece everything together, and that is a verifiable experience involving myself, my mother and her partner all at the same time.

I've had other experiences, but never thought much of them until my grandmother died in 2000, my uncle died in 2003 and my mother died in 2004. in the space of time from 2000 up to now, I've had so many weird experiences, and I discovered that I am clairaudient, clairsentient and sometimes clairvoyant. So of course, it was my big "push" to start developing the psychic side of myself.

I know now that developing my abilities is an important part of my path in life, and that all the weird experiences that I've had up to date was a way of making me aware of my abilities and of my path in life.

So my point is that some people have very developed abilities from an early age, and some others need a push. This probably is because it's all a part of their path in life.

Some people are not made aware of their abilities or their abilities don't come to light, maybe because it's no relevant to their path in life. That of course is just my opinion.

If you have a strong feeling that there is more to helping people (in your case) then you probably could benefit from trying to develop your abilities (whatever they may be, might not be anything to do with clairvoyancy or whatever, it could be something entirely different, only you can find that out) further.

I only wanted to explain a few of my personal experiences so you can see where I'm coming from in respect to your question.

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why would some ppl have psychic ability? (or want to develop it)

Just for fun, and of course to gain money...

I hope - at best - you was just being silly, or - at worst - you were just being plain ignorant.  

Lol I NEVER play with myself when dreaming, it's always with someone else. So I guess I was having astral sex if you're correct.

Ever heard of Dannion Brinkley? He wrote a book describing his NDE and afterwards discovered that he had the ability to read people's minds.

I'm not sure that it can be "learnt". Maybe it can, but I've never heard of anyone "learning" to read minds. If you're psychic, that may be another story altogether.

I don't see their past, future, or predict anything that's another entirely different type of psychic ability.

Imo it's fortune telling.

If you want a reading, go and hook up with a medium. Mind you, it probably won't come cheap. Do your research first though.

I have had sex within dreams, but wondered if this is the same thing as astral sex (as some say that when you dream you're in the astral planes somewhere... whether that's true or not, I don't know)?

Can someone explain?

Sorry for double post!

Why? Sometimes controling poeple can be very useful, and even can be used to do good things. And of course to gain money. I never witnessed any negative effects from it(maybe law of karma as understood by most new agers is BS?)

I don't agree with controlling people at all. We're not puppets, and controlling people imho interferes with their free will. You might not have witnessed any negatives effects from it YET because karma isn't always "instant". Imho it's NEVER a good thing to try and control anyone, no matter how you feel about them, or whatever reasons (excuses?) you come up with for attempting to control them.

Why? Sometimes controling poeple can be very useful, and even can be used to do good things. And of course to gain money. I never witnessed any negative effects from it(maybe law of karma as understood by most new agers is BS?)

I don't agree with controlling people at all. We're not puppets, and controlling people imho interferes with their free will. You might not have witnessed any negatives effects from it YET because karma isn't always "instant". Imho it's NEVER a good thing to try and control anyone, no matter how you feel about them, or whatever reasons (excuses?) you come up with for attempting to control them.

If you got that from a dream book or whatever, then let it be known that I can't stand dream books or dream themes etc.

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Good point. Being an alpha male means you have to put up with alpha females! []
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I'm an alpha female but I don't like alpha males because most are arrogant to a fault and often are insecure children when all is said and done. I like a small men who is confident and knows how to submit.

Jessica

Could say the same about some or most alpha females too... :p

[Salvia Divinorum Level 1]

I did use a water pipe.  All i meant was that you have to take humongous hits and hold them.  Also, you have to use a butane lighter.  It take more heat to activate (vaporize) Salvia A.  

Han Solo

Ah I see what you mean now. This may seem obvious to you, but might not be obvious to someone who knows very little about salvia. So I'd like to give the following advice to unexperienced users if that's okay.

The thing people need to remember with salvia is that one may not get much from a dose, while another may have a very intense experience.  This boils down to a number of factors such as, sensitivity of the user, the actual dosage being used and how it's ingested, and how experinced the user is, amongst other possible factors. I'd say that's true for pretty much any drug.

Some advice for unexperienced users: ALWAYS HAVE A SITTER PRESENT! Also, start off with a tiny amount, then add a bit more etc, if you don't feel anything happening.

I also want to say this: There (appartently) are 6 "levels" of effects possible.

These are:

(Extract from an article on Dr Bongs website)

Salvia Divinorum Level 1

This is a very mild effect. The user definitely knows "something is happening" and will feel more relaxed and experience a greater sensuality. At this level Salvia Divinorum may be considered an aphrodisiac.

Salvia Divinorum Level 2

At this level of intoxication the Salvia Divinorum user will find that their perception is mildly altered. More attention seems to be diverted to the senses, with a greater appreciation (and attention to) of music, textures, colours, occasionally smell. There are no hallucinations at this level but the user may experience an altered sense of space.

Salvia Divinorum Level 3

Visual hallucinations occur at this stage though the user is able to distinguish them from reality. Mostly these hallucinations occur when the eyes are closed. If the eyes are open the visuals are seen only briefly.

Salvia Divinorum Level 4

The Shamanistic dream state beloved of mystics. Intense visual hallucinations may be experienced accompanied by an intense dream like experience that, with eyes closed, may be felt as real. This is often described by people achieving this level as a spiritual experience with descriptions of spirit guides, angels (yes really!!), reliving past lives and even travelling to other times. This and the following level explains why the Shamans of the Mazatec Indians of Oaxaca have been using Salvia Divinorum for centuries.

Salvia Divinorum Level 5

This is like level 4 in many respects but more intense. In particular all contact with reality will be lost though the user remains conscious throughout. Like level 4 this is often described in spiritual terms. Some users have described it as "merging with God" and others have described it in ways reminiscent of Mescalin trips as described by Aldous Huxley. This is a very powerful experience and it is strongly advised to have someone with you during this level.

Salvia Divinorum Level 6

Avoid this level

There is absolutely no point in journeying to this level as the user will be totally unable to recall it afterwards.

There is a genuine risk of harm if the user is alone at this level as injuries may be sustained from falls and uncontrolled movements.

As we have said before treat Salvia Divinorum with great respect

I'll make it clear that I haven't used salvia yet, but am planning to at some point. The information I gave above derives from research that I've done so far. It would seem that a lot of first-time users tend to go up to level 5 from what the majority of them describe. Some of them have made the mistake of not having a trusted person to sit with them while they experience the effects of salvia, even though the effectsd last for a short time. I've also read that several of them were unlucky enough to have terrifying experiences (possibly due to the fact that they used the wrong approach - attitude wise - or they were in the wrong mood, or other possible factors). Equally, some of them were lucky enough to have a pleasant experience.

I think it's probably safe to say that you need to approach using salvia with no expectations (or as little as possible), and make sure you are in the right frame of mind (whatever that is). And be prepared for the unexpected. Again, that's true of any drug that you use (imho).

However, it's been said that this is a drug in a league of it's own.

Take what you will from my long-ish post, lol.

it pisses me off that were treated like a bunch of degenerate [edit] children. it's okay for everyone to spew fossil fuels into the air 24-7, dump tankers full of the [edit] into the sky before landing, guzzle down sugar-acid sodas ritualistically, snort riddlin, pop prozac, drink as much beer or wine as your liver can stand and inhale three packs of cigarettes a day...but you can't legally buy a joint?!?

This is sounding like an extract from another thread I read on these forums about the pros/cons of drug usage... (not that I'm saying it's an extract, I'm not)

The people that say it last like 10 minutes must have lungs like a f*ing hot air ballon.

Try using a water pipe if it burns... (if that's what you meant...)

I don't really think we have "privacy" as such, at least not when it comes to spirits. Shouldn't be a problem if you have nothing to hide! Really it depends on what you mean by "privacy". If you meant to shield your thoughts from them, in my experience, it's not possible to do that.

PM me if you want a better explanation of the above. I'm too tired to explain more now, so I'm heading to bed.

A bit too generic really. Imho it all depends on the person, and their life situations (and possibly other factors too) at the time of said dreams.