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Wow, that was very beautiful Shawn! I liked it alot. Did you write it?

Hi Tom
 Thank you for responding. I do have Robert's book--thanks. I don't think I can find that answer in it though. Maybe I'm being stupid and paranoid but the question is more about if some how those passive measures caused this reaction & why would that be? My intention wasn't to cause more of a commotion. The parents are kind of non-commital spiritually speaking and have put off having her christened-which Robert doesn't recommend. Her mom is open about the spiritual stuff though, which is why I did what I did & it made things worse!

 I thought to do some passive measures just as a precaution to be proactive to protect her ---not because I thought there was a neg there. I don't want to jump to conclusions but I'm wondering if using more than one symbol could cause this reaction? Maybe someone out there who is experienced in these matters?? Much appreciated.

Hi Hope1973

  Glad you posted. You can be free of this--It's not easy but what has been done by others can be done by you too! I can only speak from my personal experience for what that is worth.
It takes alot of courage, effort,faith ,prayer and most of all self-control. It's important not to let yourself get dragged down with this. I know--easy to say. Controlling your thoughts & feelings is a very important element in all of this.

  You have more power than you might realize in this situation & an attached entity doesn't want you to recognize this. It WANTS you to feel frightened and defeated -----so don't let it have the satisfaction. Every feeling or thought of despair gives it (them) a greater foot hold.  

  Rally from within yourself whatever works to fight back-- get a sense of righteous indignation going and the determination to beat this!  Feelings of despair or anything like that will weaken you &  anger or rage will work against you in my experience.

 Neutralize your reactions to whatever is happening. Draw as much inner strength as you can to muster your self-defence bit by bit win back some turf. You have been struggling with this for long time so I know you have more than enough courage & stamina.

It's really important to get a plan of countermeasures together & start applying them religiously. write down what you use & note the effects. If they up their attack then you know that it is working as they feel threatened. I know this is hard but it's important to become a detached observer & try to control your feelings/reactions so as not to feed the attached entity(s) any energy as you apply the countermeasures.
Peace &  Angels be with you

   

Hello Tia,
I have no desire to change your beliefs. I didn't "ignore" anything you said. You asked. I, answered. I didn't take your comment to mean that if I had a different view point then you about karma, etc..that I was unwelcome to reply.
Happy Trails, Celeste

Hi Spirit Gurl,
 
 Maybe this isn't what your seeking either, but here's my go at it.  All life matters, the quality of your life matters--not only your happiness but the quality of your happiness.  I can't prove to you anything I say so take it for what it is worth to you.
 Everything matters,every action, every thought,every breath, every moment, everything known & unknown & on every realm. All is an interplay of energies. On a personal level either you raise your energy or you lower it. At any moment your energy vibration is at a certain level which causes you to be are aware of & interact with other energies that vibrate at the same level. All that is, is a part of the  Universal Spirit.  You said you believe in reincarnation but not karma? In my experience the two are inseparably linked & Universal Laws don't care who believes in them--like gravity.
 Sounds like your taking a jaunt down the existential/nihilistic--nothing matters detour. You will see verification of your belief as long as that's all your wanting/willing to see. Experience is the best teacher...  Do you have anything against meditation? Why not try meditation with the intention of if there is an Ultimate reality & a reason for my life--show me. Be sincere,  quiet and wait. In just regular consciousness , if you are open  & ask,  the Universe will reveal all sorts of amazing things to you.

 Tom:  To say Buddhism doesn't believe in God or the Soul can be misleading. They don't believe in one separate Supreme being that orchestrates everything but they believe in many deities & a whole array of Holy Beings aswell as Buddha.
  Not that you were relating it to existentialism but I found this interesting link that discusses it.

"Because Buddhism negates the existence of God and soul, many scholars, among them some Buddhists, mistakenly believe that Buddhism is related to existentialist philosophy. This is incorrect. Buddhism actually contradicts what is implicit in existentialism, and this point is proven if we look closely at three of the most important Buddhist concepts, Karma, Dharma and Nirvana:

  Karma: Buddhism teaches that what we do matters, and that good or skillful actions bring happiness, while bad or unskillful actions bring suffering. Actually, karma means that there is a cause and effect relationship between actions and their effects, so what we are experiencing in our lives is not pure accident, but was in fact initiated by ourselves in the past. Karma is also carried over from one life to the next, so our everyday actions not only have an impact on this lifetime, they are also shaping our future lifetimes.

Dharma: One of the meanings of Dharma is universal law. It is universal in the sense that it applies to all times and in all places. This means that there is an absolute standard of measure for all our actions. Buddhism teaches that in every situation there is a correct or dharmic way of action.

Nirvana: In Buddhism the goal of human existence is to achieve Nirvana, a state of being that is beyond this world. Buddhism points to a transcendental reality that is beyond this world, and the most important project we can have in our lives if to find this state. We can use the world to go beyond the world.

Have Existentialist principles ever been put into practice? The answer is yes, and with devastating consequences. Friedrich Nietzsche was Adolf Hitler's favorite philosopher, and Nietzche's concept of "superman" was one of the ideological pillars of Nazism. More recently, the Cambodian dictator Pol Pot (responsible for the deaths of a millon of his countrymen) was educated in Existentialist philosophy during the 1950's and 60's in France. More information can be found in the biography of Jean-Paul Sartre in the book The Intellectuals by Paul Johnson."
http://www.geocities.com/dharmawood/buddhism_existentialism_pt1.htm
Celeste

Hi jkvoelk
 You said you've done core image removal-- did you try any of the banishings or self-exorcisms & prayers in the book? & using the herbs? Neg attachments can make for bad luck... Celeste

Dear davidg & Timeless
_{"Well, Masons and Co-Masons aren't really secret societies. We have secrets that we don't tell the general public thats all. "}
Your "We" was not she... Thanks so much Timeless.

Welcome to the discussion DjM!
 Your posts are very fascinating.
Thanks, Celeste

Welcome Djm
I'm really enjoying your posts!
Celeste

Thanks all for kindly sharing your perspective.
Hello yoki
...I don't recall grandma having a tee-shirt that said "Hi! I belong to a Secret Society...ask me anything!?" Just joking! Thanks for your input.
Celeste

Hey Hope!
  Stay in calm & no matter what, don't react emotionally to their presence or interference. I am re-emphasizing some of what filipcza suggested. Get Robert's book Practical Psychic Self-Defense. The book & the articles on the website by Robert & Nita are extremely helpful. Use the countermeasures listed on the mother site. Be aware of any negative thoughts or feelings and renounce them--they lose their power. Don't talk or even think about 'them' --just do the countermeasures.  
   Call asking sincerely for help from the Highest Spiritual Realms--using a white candle. Pray, pray, pray. When you pray you are drawing the Higher forces to you. It works... Say the Lord's Prayer as a mantra. Read Psalms out loud several times a day.  Leave the lights on. Play classical music or kid's nursery rhymes (PPSD) Use Tibetan Tin shas to use sound to break up the energy & clear it. Use a Buddhist or some other blessed incense & white sage to smudge.  Say a prayer when you light it.

Begin using body awareness techniques that Robert describes. Every time you feel a pain or twinge use your 'awareness hands' to brush that spot (energetically) until you feel the sensation stop. It works & gets easier with practice. Do it every time you feel an interference happening--make them shove off. If they continue then you just continue moving the energy around on that spot. It makes it difficult for them to attach to you.
Another thing to try together with that is to leave your house when you feel the pain or contact. Go for a drive or walk. Go over some water that breaks the contact. You might want to try closing your chakras. Along with techniques listed in the book, use the core image removal techniques --most important & effective.


 Use this as an invitation to purify & get sacred. Keep the Faith. You'll get through this.

Celeste

Hello Rob & Timeless
Thanks for asking around for me. Interesting info re: Jack the R.
& no-- Timeless, I couldn't get on for a couple of days either.

I guess somethings are just mysterious... See ya   Celeste

Hya Shawn
 Sorry, I don't know anything about what the teachings were at the eastern star. I do remember her getting dressed up in a long white gown. She was an unlikely candidate for alchemy--she was dogmatic and traditional in her religious beliefs. It remains a puzzle.

Hi Timeless
Thanks for the input. What are the specific higher level teachings? I've read stuff on the net but not heard it from someone who was actually involved.
Experience has taught me to check everything out, question and  assume nothing---so I can be a bit of a pain in the butt!
Celeste

The Mayan Calendar - The World Will Not End
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> CARLOS BARRIOS was born into a Spanish family on El Altiplano, the
> highlands of Guatemala. His home was in Huehuetenango, also the
> dwelling place of the Maya Mam tribe. With other Maya and other indigenous tradition keepers, the Mam carry part of the old ways on Turtle Island North America). They are keepers of time, authorities on remarkable calendars that are ancient, elegant and relevant.
> Mr. Barrios is a historian, an anthropologist and investigator. After studying with traditional elders for 25 years since the age of 19, he has also became a Mayan Ajq'ij, a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide, Eagle Clan.
>
Years ago, along with his brother, Gerardo, Carlos initiated an
> investigation into the different Mayan calendars. He studied with many teachers. He says his brother Gerardo interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge.
>
> "Anthropologists visit the temple sites," Mr. Barrios says, "and read the steles and inscriptions and make up stories about the Maya, but they do not read the signs correctly. It's just their imagination... Other people write about prophecy in the name of the Maya. They say that the world will end in December 2012. The Mayan elders are angry with this. The world will not end. It will be transformed. The indigenous have the calendars, and know how to accurately interpret it, not others."
>
> The Mayan Calendars comprehension of time, seasons, and cycles has proven itself to be vast and sophisticated. The Maya understand 17 different  calendars, some of them charting time accurately over a span of more than ten million years. The calendar that has steadily drawn global attention since 1987 is called the Tzolk'in or Cholq'ij. Devised ages ago and based  on the cycle of the Pleiades, it is still held as sacred. With the indigenous calendars, native people have kept track of important turning points in history. For example, the daykeepers who study the calendars identified an important day in the year One Reed, Ce Acatal, as it was called by the Mexicans. That was the day when an important ancestor was prophesied to return, "coming like a butterfly." In the western calendar, the One Reed date correlates to Easter Sunday, April 21, 1519 the day that Hernando Cortez and his fleet of 11 Spanish galleons arrived from the East
> at what is today called Vera Cruz, Mexico.
>
> When the Spanish ships came toward shore, native people were waiting and watching to see how it would go. The billowing sails of the ships did indeed remind the scouts of butterflies skimming the ocean surface. In this manner was a new era initiated, an era they had anticipated through their calendars. The Maya termed the new era the Nine Bolomtikus, or nine Hells of 52 years each. As the nine cycles unfolded, land and freedom were taken from the native people. Disease and disrespect dominated. What began with the arrival of Cortez, lasted until August 16, 1987 - a date many people recall as Harmonic Convergence. Millions of people took advantage of that date to make ceremony in sacred sites, praying for a smooth transition
> to a new era, the World of the Fifth Sun.
>
> From that 1987 date until now, Mr. Barrios says, we have been in a time when the right arm of the materialistic world is disappearing, slowly but inexorably. We are at the cusp of the era when peace begins, and people live in harmony with Mother Earth. We are no longer in the World of the Fourth Sun, but we are not yet in the World of the Fifth Sun. This is the time in-between, the time of transition.
>
> As we pass through transition there is a colossal, global convergence of environmental destruction, social chaos, war, and ongoing Earth changes.
>
> All this, Mr. Barrios says, was foreseen via the simple, spiral mathematics of the Mayan calendars. "It will change," Mr. Barrios observes. "Everything will change." He said Mayan Daykeepers view the Dec. 21, 2012 date as a rebirth, the start of the World of the Fifth Sun. It will be the start of a  new era resulting from and signified by the solar meridian crossing the galactic equator, and the earth aligning itself with the center of the galaxy. At sunrise on December 21, 2012 for the first time in 26,000 years the Sun rises to conjunct the intersection of the Milky Way and the plane of the ecliptic. This cosmic cross is considered to be an embodiment of the Sacred Tree, The Tree of Life, a tree remembered in all the world's spiritual traditions. Some observers say this alignment with the heart of
> the galaxy in 2012 will open a channel for cosmic energy to flow through the earth, cleansing it and all that dwells upon it, raising all to a higher level of vibration.
>
> This process has already begun, Mr. Barrios suggested. >
> "Change is accelerating now, and it will continue to accelerate." If the people of the earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape, without having destroyed too much of the Earth, Mr. Barrios said, we will rise to a new, higher level.  But to get there we must transform enormously powerful forces that seek to block the way.
>
> A Picture of the Road Ahead
> From his understanding of the Mayan tradition and the calendars, Mr. Barrios offered a picture of where we are at and what may lie on the road ahead: The date specified in the calendar Winter Solstice in the year 2012 does not mark the end of the world. Many outside people writing about the Mayan calendar sensationalize this date, but they do not know. The ones who know are the indigenous elders who are entrusted with keeping the tradition.
>
> "Humanity will continue," he contends, "but in a different way.  Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human." We are living in the most important era of the Mayan calendars and prophecies. All the prophecies of the world, all the traditions, are converging now. There is no time for games. The spiritual ideal of this era is action. Many powerful souls have reincarnated in this era, with a lot of power. This is true on both sides, the light and the dark. High magic is at work on both sides.  Things will change, but it is up to the people
> how difficult or easy it is for the changes to come about. The economy now is a fiction. The first five-year stretch of transition from August 1987 to August 1992 was the  beginning of the destruction of the material world. We have progressed ten years deeper into the transition phase by now, and many of the so-called
> sources of financial stability are in fact hollow. The banks are weak. This is a delicate moment for them. They could crash globally if we don't pay attention. If the banks crash ... then we will
> be forced to rely on the land and our skills. The monetary systems will be in chaos, and we must then rely on our direct relationship with the Earth for our food and shelter. The North and South Poles are both breaking up.
> The level of the water in the oceans is going to rise. But at the same time land in the ocean, especially near Cuba, is also going to rise.
>
> A Call for Fusion
> As he met with audiences in Santa Fe, Mr. Barrios told a story about the most recent Mayan New Year ceremonies in Guatemala. He said that one respected Mam elder, who lives all year in a solitary mountain cave, journeyed to Chichicastenango to speak with the people at the ceremony. The elder delivered a simple, direct message. He called for human beings to come together in support of life and light. Right now each person and group is going his or her own way. The elder of the mountains said there is hope if the people of the light can come together and unite in some way.
>
> Reflecting on this, Mr. Barrios explained: "We live in a world of polarity:
> day and night, man and woman, positive and negative. Light and darkness need each other. They are a balance. Just now the dark side is very strong, and very clear about what they want. They have their vision and their priorities clearly held, and also their hierarchy. They are working in many ways so that we will be unable to connect with the spiral Fifth World in 2012."
>
> "On the light side everyone thinks they are the most important, that their own understandings, or their group's understandings, are the key. There's a diversity of cultures and opinions, so there is competition, diffusion, and no single focus."
>
> As Mr. Barrios sees it, the dark side works to block fusion through denial and materialism. It also works to destroy those who are working with the light to get the Earth to a higher level. They like the energy of the old, declining Fourth World, the materialism. They do not want it to change.
>
> They do not want fusion. They want to stay at this level, and are afraid of  the next level.  The dark power of the declining Fourth World cannot be destroyed or overpowered. It's too strong and clear for that, and that is the wrong  strategy. The dark can only be transformed when confronted with simplicity and open-heartedness. This is what leads to fusion, a key concept for the World of the Fifth Sun.
>
> Mr. Barrios said the emerging era of the Fifth Sun will call attention to a much-overlooked element. Whereas the four traditional elements of earth, air, fire and water have dominated various epochs in the past, there will be a fifth element to reckon with in the time of the Fifth Sun: ether.  The dictionary defines ether as the rarefied element of the Heavens. Ether is a medium. It permeates all space and transmits waves of energy in a wide range of frequencies, from cell phones to human auras. What is "ethereal" is related to the regions beyond earth: the heavens.
>
> Ether the element of the Fifth Sun is celestial and lacking in material substance, but is no less real than wood, stone or flesh. "Within the context of ether there can be a fusion of the polarities," Mr. Barrios  said. "No more darkness or light in the people, but an uplifted fusion. But  right now the realm of darkness is not interested in this. They are organized to block it. They seek to unbalance the Earth and its environment so we will be unready for the alignment in 2012. We need to  work together for peace, and balance with the other side. We need to take care of the Earth that feeds and shelters us. We need to put our entire mind and heart
> into pursuing unity and fusion now, to confront the other side and preserve life."
>
> To be Ready for this Moment in History Mr. Barrios told his audiences in Santa Fe that we are at a critical moment of world history. "We are disturbed," he said. "We can't play anymore. Our planet can be renewed or ravaged. Now is the time to awaken and take action."
>
> "Everyone is needed. You are not here for no reason. Everyone who is here now has an important purpose. This is a hard, but a special time. We have the opportunity for growth, but we must be ready for this moment in history."
>
> Mr. Barrios offered a number of suggestions to help people walk in balance through the years ahead. "The prophesied changes are going to happen," he said "but our attitude and actions determine how harsh or mild they are."
> We need to act, to make changes, and to elect people to represent us who understand and who will take political action to respect the earth.
> Meditation and spiritual practice are good, but also action. It's very important to be clear about who you are, and also about your relation to the Earth.
>
> Develop yourself according to your own tradition and the call of your heart. But remember to respect differences, and strive for unity. Eat wisely. A lot of food is corrupt in either subtle or gross ways. Pay attention to what you are taking into your body. Learn to preserve food, and to conserve energy.  Learn some good breathing techniques, so you have mastery of your breath.  
>
> Be clear. Follow a tradition with great roots. It is not important what tradition, your heart will tell you, but it must have great roots. We live in a world of energy. An important task at this time is to learn to sense or see the energy of everyone and everything: people, plants, animals. This becomes increasingly important as we draw close to the World of the Fifth  Sun, for it is associated with the element ether - the realm where energy lives and weaves.
>
> Go to the sacred places of the earth to pray for peace, and have respect for the Earth which gives us our food, clothing, and shelter. We need to reactivate the energy of these sacred places. That is our work.
>
> According to Mr. Barrios' reading of the Mayan calendar, if war happens in November 2002 or after, then it's bad, but not catastrophic. But if it happens between April and November 2003, it will be catastrophic. Really bad. It could eventually result in the death of two-thirds of humanity. "So stay active," he said. "If we are active, we can transform the planet. The elders watch to see what happens." Many Mayan elders and knowledge keepers may be eliminated in the next few years. For the first half of the current Katun (20-year period) the dark side has a lot of power. But that will pass
> 3 to 4 years from now. The tide can turn. Amazing things are going to happen.
>
> One simple but effective prayer technique is to light a white or baby-blue colored candle. Think a moment in peace. Speak your intention to the flame and send the light of it on to the leaders who have the power to make war or peace.
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> We Have Work to Do
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>
> According to Mr. Barrios this is a crucially important moment for humanity, and for earth. Each person is important. If you have incarnated into this era, you have spiritual work to do balancing the planet. He said the elders have opened the doors so that other races can come to the Mayan world to receive the tradition. The Maya have long appreciated and respected that there are other colors, other races, and other spiritual systems. "They know," he said, "that the destiny of the Mayan world is related to the destiny of the whole world."
>
> "The greatest wisdom is in simplicity," Mr. Barrios advised before leaving Santa Fe. "Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness.  It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way."
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>
> Carlos Barrios is the author of Kam Wuj: El Libro del Destino, a book published in Spanish that explores Mayan teachings. He is looking for a way to have the book translated and published in English. Mr. Barrios can be  contacted via Saq1 Be1 -- Organization for Mayan and Indigenous Spiritual
> Studies: HCR 72, Box 142, Ribera, NM 87560 USA
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> http://www.sacredroad.org
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Thanks for your response Shawn

 I asked because I had family members (deceased) who were members of a lodge that was related--the odd fellows. My grandmother belonged to Eastern Star and my mom offered me her earrings, which were a 5 pt inverted star made from colored gems. Pretty,  but I got a bad vib about it. She then gave them back to someone who was still a member. If they were doing something negative--I don't think the people in the lower lodges have a clue about what they are participating in.  
 thanks for all the info, Celeste

MJ-12 and Tisha
 Well said! Many people are sleeping. This is the corporate age.  Suzuki said , "...we are in a car speeding 100mi/hr towards a brick wall and we are arguing over where we are going to sit."  
Keep the masses confused, ignorant,in fear & entertained. Sometimes it's just too painful to watch... celeste

Here's an article concerning Bush-case anyone's interested.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-543296,00.html

Hi Oliver
 Ides15 gives great advice...read the articles by Robert & Nita. Don't delay on getting Robert's book Practical Psychic Self-Defense. It will give you a great deal of information and useful countermeasures-that work. There are people here that are wonderful resources. btw Robert doesn't recommend sending love & light to negs as it might be interpreted as weakness & an opportunity??  

celeste

IMHO,the teacher/student relationship is a sacred one. If a spiritual teacher is having sex with their students they don't carry any true spiritual authority and reveal themselves to be completely lacking in morale character. They are only fooling themselves and so are the students. Entangling yourself with these types of characters can be extremely detrimental to your spiritual progress.
 It is wise to test any would be teacher. Their life will soon reveal the path they are on. True Spiritual teachers are extremely few and far between. Celeste

Hi Barbara
  I'm sending prayers and ask for healing to be sent your way!
I don't know what your already doing but here is some suggestions for your consideration....hope it doesn't sound forward. [:I]

 I second Dovelady's suggestion for meditation. IMHO, if it's so difficult to find quiet space in your house, that means it's even MORE important TO Meditate. Throw everything you've got at this challenge. That means asking for & accepting the support you need from friends & family. This is the time to nurture yourself & get what you need. []

  If turning inward is new or difficult begin by using a guided visualization tape either specifically for healing or a progressive relaxation tape. Start tuning into your body's energy.

 Bernie Siegal's got great books about healing & some of Catherine Ponder's books can help you put some power in your prayers with intent. Some people have found comfort & guidance in the book,  A Course in Miracles. Ask your body to show you what it needs to repair & heal-physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually.

 Check out Robert's energy exercises. Get some energy healing. Check out yoga, Tai Chi, Qi Gong or Aikido.
    Take care,   Celeste

I agree...PeacefulWarrior,  I would be honoured also & absolutely not offended.
Nerezza- I've never heard the story behind Candy Canes! Thanks

Right now, the world is very messed up & we are definitely not going in the right spiritual direction. A lot of what's happening now certainly fits with prophecy, which can make you think.  []
  Celeste

Hi Dovelady
 About the "Emissarys of Light"--apparently James Twyman's story is a lie. Unfortunately, there is a lot of greed & manipulation lurking within the "new age" movement.
http://www.nhne.com/specialreports/sremissaryletters.htm
-celeste

My apologies Tom,  I misread the question---I'll shut up now

Hi All
 In my own experience, the energy does feel different.  I'm no expert but  I've practiced a couple of different energy therapies and they all feel different to me  in self-treatment, giving or receiving it from others. I've not tried NEW but have used  qi gong, Reiki, TT, Jin Shin & I've received a few more than those.
Not only does the energy feel different to me but it seems to work on different levels of the energy system.
Celeste