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LOL yeah thats a cheap hack )

Maybe i test it sometime, but atm im trying with that energy raising thing.

I tried it tonight when i was between awake and falling asleep (hearing that beep in your ears and
getting sucked in), but nothing happend. After a few seconds my eyes hurt hehe

But that doesnt mean nothing...most things dont really work for me.

Thats the way to have an OBE. But it doesnt explain how to get into those states, and
thats where most of us have problems.
Im still looking for techniques that really work, and not only one time per accident.

Quite interesting:
http://translate.google.at/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eve-rave.ch%2FForum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D38%26t%3D13746&sl=de&tl=en&hl=de&ie=UTF-8

Yesterday i also tried something new, a meditation technique to raise the energy level in your body.
Tonight i had the most vivid dreams i ever, and also woke up in sleep paralasys, which happend for the first time for me.
Cant say if its the meditation technique or the strong(er) intention i had when going to sleep.

If we remind us that thoughts are energy, than
this guy is destroying what he desires. He has a very
strong believe system which doesnt allow any paranormal,
and as such are his thoughts.

Its like the girl from russia that can see through bodys and
detect deseases. When she was tested, she couldnt do it like
she´s doing it at home...i believe that strong negative thoughts
can disturb and destroy any try in this fine "chemistry" of the astral.

Its your thinking. Its like a vicious circle.

Try starting to think positive things. If you think something negative,
dont try to stop it, just dont pay attention to it and let it go.
Try to meditate, that helps also.

Also remember that no creepy creature (which mainly come from your mind anyway)
can harm you.

Yes N, N. Dimethyltryptamin is found in blood from normal waking people, also 5-Meo DMT is in our blood as well. What is interesting to me is not only the presence of DMT in our blood, but that it is found in people while awake and physically active. The reason is this is interesting to me is because DMT is the most powerful hallucinogen to humans, so even miniscule amounts of it is significant. What does this say about what we call "reality".

  If the brain uses DMT as fuel (which it does keeping in mind the brain purposely allows it to cross the "blood-brain barrier") to perceive reality, is this world we call reality only made possible by a hallucinogen? So what we would call psychodelic amounts of DMT is not really producing a powerful fake imaginery world but those amounts are in order to switch your perception to a higher level.

So your perception of reality all depends on the level of DMT in your system, normal levels you are able to perceive this world, and at varying levels different realities. What I would be interested in reading is if they find something to kill off DMT production in the body (temporarily of course) and the effects that would have of that persons perception.

Yeah, that´d be totaly interesting!

I´d rather think that we just perceive a certain degree of apperception. So if dmt is responsible for this
degree, then more or less of it just changes the "angle" and not the reality itself.

People meditate since ages in sitting position. Its because it prevents you mostly from
falling asleep. Though its of course also possible to meditate in every possible position.

This is interesting. So it seems that all these spiritual training leads just to more
dmt in our brain. So its just a technical thing to experience an OBE.

Qoute something i found through google:

...IT'S CALLED QI...

A good, basic meditation to harness this energy is called the "Microcosmic Orbit" -- an old Taoist technique.

With each in breath, try to imagine/will the energy up your spine -- from your tailbone to the center of your brain, between and behind the eyebrows. And with each exhalation, imagine the energy flowing from the point between and behind the eyebrows, down the midline of your chest and abdomen to your perenium (the place between your shlong and your bung-hole). Repeat this cycle as many times as you can...

As you're performing the Microcosmic Orbit, have the energy pause/accumulate at a point midway along the length of your spine, and midway along the length of your chest and abdomen. This is the so-called "Heart chakra" point. Christ is sometimes depicted opening his robe with a gloing/blazing heart at this area on his chest.

Also concentrate on the energy you feel in your limbs, so as to make them feel weightless.

If done correctly, you should have a meditation-induced 5-MeO-DMT-like experience. And if a light appears before your eyes, try to absorb it into you....

Also: http://www.acutcmdetox.com/tryptophan2.html
and http://cacaoist.blog.com/1024870/

It seems like its just the intention. It has to be strong enough...then it seems your body/mind
is rewiring something that makes it possible for you to project. I had 8 months without any success,
then out of nothing i could leave my body. Still not able to reproduce it.

[You]

You are the spam evil

I´d rather think they reflect some anxiety in you, but of course im could be wrong.

That was just a general posting, not related to your post to T.L.

hehe its not provable when it should be...its weird. someones watching us

I was never able to produce such results. Though i was able to see aura´s when i was
a child.

I dont even manage step 1. I have a strong intention to look "behind the curtain", but
absolutly no access to it. Weird antilogy.

Count me in. Im trying since 8 months with little success.
For me i think, its the "letting go". Im training it every day through
meditation.

Its the way we are. Getting aware that theres more then our body is one thing,
overcoming our ego another one (i think thats the much more bigger step).

The time will come...for you and for me its the patience we can learn

Sounds interesting... keep us posted!

Yeah but we all know that this happens if we´re successfull!
So instead of beeing frightened, be happy...you made it!!

Its perfectly normal to hear someone shouting your voice when you´re about
to get oob. But maybe it was really just a dream.

Why do you even want to split up in mailing lists or other forums when
we have this big forum where we can discuss everything we want?

So...i have teh "stuff" from jeck, although i read yesterday only the free version (out of confusion, didnt knew where to begin).
I woke up today at about 6am (+1 GTM, Vienna) and tried tricking my body to fall asleep. Its kinda funny,
trying to "play" sleeping, so your mind "thinks" you are asleep...hehe

I came to a slight paralysis, which is a big step for me. After 1h or so, i gave up and fell asleep again.
Until i woke up a few minutes ago...out of nothing i started heavy vibrations (i can not say how i did it,
it was like tensing my muscles). I could feel my body, it was totaly heavy but i could move (at least my
toes). I thought ok now think about flying upwards, but nothing happend...so i tried just to sit up to see
if im oob. I could, but i felt like a big stone hehe...then i started to look at my hands, to see if they were
transparent or something and they looked like E.T.´s fingers and i could barely see them. Because i felt so heavy,
i let myself fall back to my body (or back to bed, i didnt saw my body) and that moment i was "awake".

The whole thing felt like a very very vivid dream, i saw parts of my bed but it was like i zoomed in or i was totaly
tiny and the whole scene felt totaly "different" from my normal "feeling". Thats why i´d rather think it was a dream.

So if this goes on that way, ill surely pay that guy

Dont u see how vulnerable we humans are?
If there was something like an evil, it could crash us in now time.

It has to be the opposite...something is taking care of us, otherwise
we couldnt be the way we are.

My 2 cent!

I´d be interested (i have something to give back).
Im not sure if my PM was send, but you can contact me
at vlp-at-gmx.at

Thanks,
Pan

oh and btw, you´re not the only one who´s slow...

Hm i still dont understand why i shouldnt use this technique (besides the 24h) every day