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What will I miss?
... the interactions with other consciousness beings *here*. 

What will I gain?
... the interactions with other consciousness beings *there*. 

I think that would be a good trade. 

[ⱡ ┌ ⌠ ⌐ ⌡ ∫ ῀]

Upon awaking when Im half aware that Im dreaming I slowly Wake up and realize this in the wakeup process even more but something has been confusing me.. When Im in between I can for 2 seconds see letters fade away where I look and I can't understand them??.. anyone know about this?

Reading text in dreams is really interesting, it tends be fluid and changes rapidly at times. I've had times where lines and lines of text just scrolled by  like on screen. When I looked closely at it they were just very simple symbols something like this:   ⱡ ┌ ⌠ ⌐ ⌡ ∫ ῀ There was nothing that I could understand. So you can get really weird things going on with text in dreams, that's been my experience.

On two occasions recently, I ended up in what was essentially some sort of meeting room for people who were projecting. In one, there were groups of people gathered around tables in a large room working on projects together. Each group was focused on some common outcome and I knew they were doing something, but you couldn't tell what it was just by watching. They were communicating, but with energy, not words. The energy level was really high, and just being there was a really wonderful experience.

In another,  I was welcomed and pretty much told. "you found us, glad you made it." able to ask some questions: "so what is this place?" One of them told me that this was where they came to relax and just be together. "We all have 'day-lives', but come here to meet."

So I am wondering if anyone else has had any similar experiences that they could share. I am also planning on going back so would like to have an ongoing discussion to compare experiences, maybe I'll run into someone here, who knows

I'm a beginner and I've read some methods that say to wake up early in the morning, meditate(With binaural beats) for a bit and then go to sleep.
Is this effective?

With the exception of the binaural beats, this is pretty much the way I do it. The method I use is a little different from meditation but it is a method of focusing and staying aware mentally while allowing yourself to move into the non-physical realm (or whatever you want to call it). When I do it right, images start to form up and solidify into what looks like a 2 dimensional image screen, then I see myself walking into the screen. As I walk through it, it becomes a 3 dimensional, full color, real world, then I move out from there using intention/will. I also try to create a portal into the non-physical and then enter through it. There was time when I saw a door in the images and said to myself: "Let this door be a portal" And walked through it. On the other side of the door was a ramp that went down into a city and I just went from there.

The only way I could learn was by just doing it, it's not something that I can explain. Just keep trying and it will happen.

It's more important to discuss the content of what someone is saying rather than nit-pick the terminology they use. If you know what someone means, That's all that matters. It doesn't make a difference if they use "Astral Plane" or "NPR" or "Greater Reality" or whatever. We know what they mean.

I focus in and out and it still works

I think in and out are actually the same place

A lot of people come up with sophisticated names that really don't mean anything and don't impress me. The only thing that matters is your experience "there". 

If one could harness the power of Intent without having to worry about the tools... meaning that you just Intend and it happens...

Precisely. But of course you are already doing this all of the time, just not necessarily aware of it. I think the awareness of the action of intending is a big part of what we are learning. Our reality is the result of collective intention.

Thank you for sharing this! This is an excellent post Deepspace and very true.  

There are a number of tools for focus, meditation, mantras, visualizing, AVS, Binaural Beat/Isochronic Tones and each of them have their own sworn success stories and users.

I find that one of the best ways though is to direct your focus inwards. This is difficult to do at first, but like all the others techniques, becomes easier with practice.

I definitely agree with this statement here ""Imagine telling a teenager that learning this might take 2 years or more?"  This is where the problem really lies. Some people want it now and don't want to work for it. It gets easier to do, but that's only after you have put in the work to learn it.

If you put in the time, you will reap the rewards for your efforts, just as it is with any other Art or skill you wish to learn  

I also use the method of inward focus, trying to go beyond the normal thought process to access the intent without thinking directly about it.

Your right, it does take time, really it's a lifetime of learning. As you get older, you appreciate things that have taken time to learn and value them much more. We already have everything we need to create any experience so it's just a matter of doing it.

As Frank would say... it's a term that comes with waaaaaaaay too much baggage.  It means many different things to different people.

That, and the term just doesn't work for me anymore. 
There is no separation between "here" (physical) and "there" (non-physical)... this physical is as much the non-physical as any non-physical reality is. 
I've thrown aside the old mystical traditions and terminology.  I've found that to be the only way I could grow as a spiritual being.  Being stuck within someone else's box was extremely limiting.

In the end, all definitions of reality states are limiting, IMO. I use the term NPR (Non-Physical Reality) but it really doesn't describe the reality, It describes my relationship to reality at the time of the experience. 

There are a lot of what some call "tools" and methods for focusing our intent which are useful and I still use some of these methods, although I'm beginning to learn that focusing intent directly is the most efficient way. But it is a difficult thing locate and "move the levers" so to say.

We tend to focus on things that are easy for us to control directly such as thoughts or saying something, doing some kind of physical motions, etc. But I found these may or may not help us focus our intentions.

I've been trying to to stretch myself and go straight to the intent itself, even though it is more difficult to grasp. It's seems like something that you direct rather than control.

Had some good results with this today, just having the intent to be helpful to someone in the NPR. I found myself with this young woman, possibly teen aged who was asking about using drugs to explore NPR. I explained to her how I had done both and learning how without drugs was far superior. But it takes time and when I was young and was more interested in instant results. "Imagine telling a teenager that learning this might take 2 years or more?" We both laughed together and I could feel the love between us, the whole experience felt really fantastic. I have know idea who she was, but it felt like I was being someone else's guide and had the same wonderful feelings that I get when one of my guides shows up. Have to try this again. 

Those things are simply "tools" you use to focus your Intent towards the intended goal, which is "increasing your vibrations".

It's important to understand what "Intent" is, because it allows you to harness your true inner power without the need to worry about rituals such as mantras or meditations.

Completely agree.

My favorite thought experiment is called the "quantum machine gun". For those who don't know it goes like this:

A machine gun is set up to fire based on a random quantum event such as measuring the spin of a particle. In any given measurement, there is exactly a 50% chance that the measurement will be one way or the other which equates to: gun fires or gun does not fire.

There are two people in the experiment, one standing directly in front of the barrel of the gun, and another who is merely observing. If the measurement is one way, the gun will make a "click" sound, if it is the other way, it fires.

Each time the measurement is made, the universe splits into two, one universe where the person in front of gun survives, and one where they don't. Once the measurement device is turned on, the observer would hear something like click-click-bang-click-bang-bang-click-bang-click, etc. From the perspective of the observer, the person in front of the gun dies after the first "bang", whereas the person sitting in front of the gun barrel hears click-click-click-click-click-click.

The reason is: The person sitting in front of the gun barrel can only experience the universe in which he/she survives. In other words: You can only experience survival.  

...chocolate tastes a million times better in the astral than here...

I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in mouth...the matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss.

Cypher

If I don't, now is now, and there's nothing to miss.

True. True. I have not missed anything that I am aware of.

Volgerle, believe me, chocolate tastes a million times better in the astral than here. You will have your Nutella, just much more testier than now.... if that it possible. It is one of my guilty pleasures as well. Can't live without it LOL

Things taste a lot better in the NPR for sure. The best cup of coffee I ever had was there, it was so perfect. Have eaten some other amazing things there too. Exotic fruit, ice cream and other things. I'm not a  big fan of liqueur, but tasted some there and it was absolutely incredible. The flavor was so intense it woke me up and I could still taste it after waking.

I know it sounds stupid, but I will miss the fact that you must eat here whereas in the astral it is completely optional.

I don't know if you have had OBEs, but when you are away from the physical reality, you have a completely different perspective. There is no feeling of missing earth life.

Yes, I have had very many and they are absolutely mind blowing, so much so that I never completely believe it's happening. To be walking around, talking to other beings, looking at the perfect full color, 3 dimensional world, and touching it (can't get enough of that) is truly unbelievable. I had one OBE where I was swimming in a swimming pool for about 30 minutes, mostly underwater. I just kept feeling the sensations of the water as I moved my hands through it, just testing it over and over to see how real it felt. Looking up through the blue water at the sunlight filtering through and the colors shifting with the waves. Everything was perfect. I kept thinking "how can this be happening?" I know I'm in another world, yet it is impossible to tell the difference. And thinking a lot about my physical body, knowing I was separated from it and left it behind in my bed. Wondering what it was doing there. Were my arms moving? How could they not be? My body was swimming, but not the physical one. I can still remember being there. What an amazing experience. 

So, you can experience everything you have experienced here, but few notches more exciting because the environment will be more thought responsive. That is if you wish to do so.

Yes, I'm quite sure of this too and have experienced it already. We are capable of having any experience we can have in our Earth life and at a higher level. 

I think about this fairly often, but I'm more interested to hear your thoughts.

Many people are searching for some sort of an objective reality with absolute concepts, mainly I think for comfort and security. The whole idea of materialism is just one big illusion. The idea that reality is subjective and experience-based requires you to let go of the concept of physical world being this fixed, solid world of predictable rules. It's only that way because of our collective belief in it.

Exactly.

Anything you can "experience" is *real*. 
Which really opens up a lot of experiences that people dismiss...

After experiencing the NPR, I had to pretty much toss out my definition of "real". For me, the word itself is basically obsolete and non-applicable.

IMO, the only thing that is "real" is your experience.

But in the end, I fear that someday someone will have to "Retrieve" him from his belief system zone, once he passes on.

But what kind of zone would that be if they don't believe there is no "zone", if they think this is finality?

I have this question as well. I've read some opinions on this, mostly saying people who believe there is nothing will need to be allowed to have a something like a period of sleep after which they will approached. Others say they will be in a place like what some describe as the void, but also when they are ready, will be helped of course.

In any case, my guess is that they will be easier to get out than people who have fear attachments to their belief systems or people who made huge investments into their belief systems. The fear-based ones seem to me to be the worst-case scenario because those trying to help might be seen as demons or evil entities trying to trick them into leaving. The Bible says that Satan can appear as an angel of light to deceive believers (something I once believed in). This, to me, seems particularly harmful. If such belief system zones do exist, they will be filled entirely with people who have the same beliefs so unlike our life on Earth, there will be no one to disagree or help them out of it. That's a scary thought. I am SO glad I got rid of my fear-based belief system before my exit.

Hi all, when you are in the astral and you see the ocean, city, buildings, landscapes and it looks like what you would see in the physical, is it possible it could come from the mind? 

Yes, but everything you experience, whether in waking life, dreams, or AP all is internally generated. Reality exists because you create it inside yourself. As Morpheus said, "Real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain" We experience reality by creating an image of it inside of our mind through our senses. In the astral, we do the same but without our physical senses. Our abilities to do this vary, but from my own experience I can say that the realities I experience outside waking reality are extremely real. Quite a bit of the time I have spent in them has been examining and evaluating the environment to determine how real it is. My favorite part of that has been touching things and feeling how real they felt.

I think the value of any experience, waking physical reality or NPR is in what you take from it, not in how real it is. If at the end of your life someone told you that none of it was real in the way you thought it was, would that take anything away from the experience?

I know that he claims he's a nuclear physicist and that he's been a part of NASA and all. Even so (and I know I sound skeptical but that's how I am  ), I haven't seen any proof of his credentials. I mean, I could claim that I'm an expert in physics and that I've worked for NASA too, but I'm not even a college student.

Also, you may be correct that academics does not equal skill when astral projection is involved, but Campbell makes a lot of claims about how "scientific" his theories are. And when someone starts claiming that their work is science, then he or she should have evidence to back that claim up.

I really like a lot of what he says and quote him often, but also have a problem regarding his claims of his theories being "scientific". Personally, I think he should leave science out of the discussion as it does not apply here IMO.

The scientific method is good for building a model of how the physical world operates, but at this time is not able to build a model of the "larger reality" as Tom Campbell describes it. If you want to claim something is scientific, you should follow the protocol established by scientists which is peer-reviewed studies, testable hypotheses, repeatable results, etc. etc. Tom refuses to do this, citing the bias and other issues in the scientific community. He's right about some of those issues. Unfortunately, there is a lot of bias in the science community about research in this area, but that's not a problem with the scientific method, just the humans that are called scientists. The method itself is sound, the people who practice it sometimes have problems.

Even though there are still things I don't agree with him on, there's a lot more that I do agree with him on. Every time I listen to Tom Campbell, he explains 2 or 3 more concepts that I have recently concluded myself. There's no one else I can say that about.

But I can often recognize the value in what people say or what I read without regard to who or what the source is. There are people with great "credentials" who are just full of excrement if you ask me. So as far as credentials go, to me these are meaningless. The universe doesn't recognize credentials, only truth. I believe we all have the ability to recognize the truth, but people should stop trying to prove things. Like Lionheart says, don't take anyone's word, go find out for yourself.

So here you have your answer. Also atheists can AP. But there was probably no cognitive dissonance to it, that is true. He believed in his ability to do it, just didn't share our views on what it really was.

I think that's an important distinction to make. Life is more about experience than belief. We get hung up too much sometimes about whether we believe in something. What's more important is the value it has. As an example, it's not necessary for me to "believe in" the dream guides or whatever we want to call the entities that show in my dreams. The experiences have so much value and there is often some wisdom given to me that I need. Sometimes it's just the sense of being completely loved that can stay with me for the entire day. So I don't need to get hung up in whether they were spiritual beings, or parts of my higher self or whatever. I think we waste of lot energy trying to decide on these things, it takes away from what we are really here to do: experience.