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Chamomille is very good but it cannot be taken on a regular basis as it may have side effect. It has to be taken occasionally. Insteady you want to use more than one herb for you thea, by switching everyday to something else. Here is a list of some of the herbs that are relaxing, soothing, sedative:

- Linden leaves (leaves of the tree Linden - tilla - tilleul)
- Chamomille
- Valerian (it is a strong sedative, will induce sleep)
- St John wort
- Lemon Vervena (not to be taken on a daily basis, as it can cause infection of the urinary system - all the tubes there! ).
- Lemon Balm (very tasty).
- Catnip, Catmint (not so tasty, an aphrodisiac for cats)
- Basil (calm acidity in the stomach, and relax too).
- Mugwort is Artemisia Vulgaris, is good in a sleep pillow with Rosemary (both of these herbs can improve memory to remember dreams).
- Hops.

Do not use Mint, as mint is a tonic and will not relax you.
And of course cut on coffee, thea (regular thea), coca-cola (it contains cafeine), red meat, and havy meals.

The schizophrenic in his catatonic ecstasy: The person's own body and, indeed, his entire body, becomes the sole object. This feeling of pleasure, a consummate voluptuousness of all organs, tissues, and cells, a pleasure completely freed from the genitals, and orgams diffused throughout the whole body is the condition described as the schizophrenic in his catatonic ecstasy.

The stages of meditation include in the early moments concentration. One tries to bring his (her) attention to the subject of concentration (usually the breath, say). The mind focus on the breath, but it is often distracted and the subject has to bring back his/her attention to the subject of concentration. Visionary experiences can occur on the threshold of this level. By continually focusing on the object of meditation, there comes the moment marking a total break with normal consicouness (full absorption). There is neither sensory perception nor the awareness of one's body. The subject is now in a continued state of ecstasy.

According to Alexander (Alexander, R. The Scope of Psychoanalysis. New York: Basic Books, 1941), in meditation one moves from melancholia to catatonia. The catatonic state of the schizophrenic is similar to the full absorption state of meditation.

A further step (in meditation), he proposed, consists of a constant diminution of the feeling of pleasure along with a gradual transition into apathy - the stage of indifference. He saw the final stage as a condition of complete mental emptiness and uniformity. Referring to NIRVANA, he concludes: "It is not difficult for us to recognize in this (meditative) condition the last stage of schizophrenia - schizophrenia dementia".

So, in short, the schizophrenic reaches states of the mind/consciousness very similar to the ones that meditation brings. If we remember that in the early phase of meditation visions can appear, and that it is about at this stage that the astral reality starts, then the answer is YES, the schizophrenic has a door open onto the astral. He is having transes that bring him there and beyond.

THE INTERPRETATION OF A DREAM IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS: "AN INTERPRETATION". THIS MEANS THAT IT IS NOT THE REVELATION OF A TRUTH, NOR REVALATION OF THE REALITY: IT JUST IS NOT A REVELATION, but AN INTERPRETATION. IT IS NOT A TRANSLATION OF THE DREAM INTO SOMETHING MORE PRECISE. THIS IS WHAT "INTERPRETATION" MEANS. IN THE SAME SENS THAT THERE ARE MANY INTERPRETATIONS OF (SAY) HOLY SCRIPTURES, MANY INTERPRETATION OF (AGAIN SAY) THE PREDICTION OF NOSTRADAMUS (WHO WAS NOT EXPLICIT AT ALL), IN THAT VERY SAME SENS THERE CAN BE AN INDEFINITE NUMBER OF INTERPRETATIONS TO A DREAM. AND (FINALY) IT IS IN THAT SENS THAT I GIVE (ONE AND USUALLY EVEN MORE THAN ONE) INTERPRETATIONS TO DREAMS THAT PEOPLE POST HERE. IN MOST CASES IT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE POSTING: TO GET THE DREAM INTEREPRETATED (SEE THE TITLE OF THE TOPIC). AND THE PERSON (MRSIX) UNDERSTANDS THAT THE INTERPRETATION THAT IS GIVEN IS NOT A REVELATION BUT JUST ONE OF MANY POSSIBLE INTERPRETATIONS.

AMEN!

It really sounds like a very disturbing dream. This is a real nightmare.

Please, take care of your girlfriend, make sure she feels OK. Be with her, talk to her.

Dream interpretation has been around for thousands of years in many religion (Egyptian, Jewish, Muslim, Christian,....), however what I am writing is from what I have read in psychology and psychanalyze. I am not interpreting and saying "This is what it is", but rather I am giving some common imagery such as "water represents purity in some cases and can also represent your unconscious", then I usually suggest the person to see where each thing fit for her/himself. If someone can take the basic tool of "imagery" (i.e. where things in dreams can mean something else very specific) then one can try to decode the dream for her/himself in particular. In any case I am not claiming to have the key to the dreams of people, I am just giving them some hint. They can agree or disagree, they can use it and maybe it will help them. That's all. I am not claiming anything. Read what is written and understand what is written. All what I write is not based on New Age things, but on psychology and psychanalyze and logical thought. If you dont believe in basic psychology, then fine, but remember that it is not a religion but a science, a science that has gone pretty far recently. A science that has helped people and saved others. If dream interpretation has been banished from some therapist offices, it is not because it  does not work, but because it is too long, takes too much time and effort. Modern therapists preffer using a practical approach of first getting the patient back to normal life (back on the horse), back to a schedule onto which the patient can hold until he/she feels better. Often the propblem is not even found, it is just skipped over, it is forgotten, engulfed in the deepnest of the history/childhood of the person. ANd on the fragile top the therapist helps the patient to build a new life. Often the symptoms do not even dissapear, but they are now accepted as part of the  life of the patient, not trying to disguise them or to hide them.

When you lay down and relax, before you even fall asleep, it is common to go into the hypnagogic state, which is a state of awake consciousness with visions. You actually see pictures, hear loud sounds, but are completely awake. The pictures can even turn into dream-like experience. This is a state of the mind that is defined scientifically.

Another way to look at it, but from a spiritual point, is that when a person meditates and relaxes, there is a state where visions start to appear. It is obvioulsy what the scientists called the hypnagogic state (above) but view as a stage in the meditation process. In meditation you are not suppose to be distracted by the visions but to go beyond that point.

Anyway, your experience is very interesting as they do not happen too often. I often have hypnagogic imagery and sound but it is very rare that it lasts more than a few seconds at a time.

I also have lucid dreams, but usually I become lucid from a dream state, while asleep. So for sure what you experience is not a lucid dream, but it is very interesting ! You are gaining more controle and consciousness of the transition state between asleep and awake, you are gaining lucidity during phases where usually we are already falling asleep.

Kozzi,

-1) read what I wrote: "These unconscious messages can be anything, and it is up to you to find out whether there is anything that could fit this description. There is not enough details for me to say more."

The only person to give the real interpretation of a dream is the dreamer her/himself ONLY, since the experience is for that person only.

-2) You wrote: "Be literal. Be scientific."
The science of intepreting dreams is part of psychology and psychanalyze and I based what I wrote on that, not on a "one cent phylosophy", since I do not have any such phylosophy. It is one way of getting there, "interpretation of dreams".

-3) Believe it or not, interpretation of dreams work many times. It does not work for every dream or every person, but it works.


-4) What is your point of view? What do you do with dreams? What do you think they are? How many different kind of dreams are they?

Shaman The Dreamer

It is one way of checking your progress. The first important thing is to remember your dreams every single night. The second step is to even remember dreams from the middle of the night, not only the dreams from the morning. The next step is obviously when you start thinking about AP, OBE,... in the middle of the dream. The next one is when you become lucid. And that's about it, because from a lucid dream you can OBE very easily. You can eaither start OBE from the lucid dream directly, such as for example realizing that the  dream is actually the astral world. Then you need to raise your level of clarity and level or awareness (consciousness, lucidity) in the lucid dream to get it as real as the astral experience. The other thing you can try when you are in a lucid dream is to decide to stop dreaming and to wake up. Then as you start waking up, do not move your body, do not move an inch and try to reach for that feeling of the deep sleep and dream you just had before. From there, what worked for me was to reach for the feeling of free fall (as if I was falling from a clif) and that brings the vibrations. Once the vibrations are very strong then I start moving and I actually move in the astral, not the physical - I get up my bed.

So it looks as if you are on the right track.

Dear Anonymous6776,

Do not fear whatever "thing" you think is in your house, rather the opposite. Light a candle and pray God for that "entity" (or just negative energy) to go away and leave your house and family away. Of course you also have to work on your brother and mother. It seems that you are the "pillar" that is holding this family together and a lot of responsibility is on your shoulder. So far you have done very well it seems, so continue the good job and have trust in yourself and your strength. Whatever you feel in your neck or other part of your body might just be a kind of fear (that maybe you inhibit unconsciously) and nothing to fear. There is no way any astral "thing" can act in the physical world, rather the opposite, we, as biological creatures, are able to act in the astral and we are the ones who create these things (you might want to have a look at the religion forum where I posted something about how the Zohar explains Negs and other things). We are also the ones who are able to transform these dark "things" into "light". Try to have your family apologize and understand each other, work with love. Hatred is "notorious" for creating "negs" (or whatever you want to call). So there is nothing to fear, the only thing is to fear is that your family is fighting. Talk to them, continue helping them if you can and if it does not hurt you. I sincerely hope that your mother is not serious when she talks about suicide. You have to make sure she does not hurt herself. Trust in the strength that you have to help the others and to keep on going! If you need more help you can send us private messages on this board, by clicking on the name of the person who posts a message, then you will see the "profile" of that person and the possibility to send meesages to that person, and depending on where you live you can even make real contact with people to get help. You can also get help in your "community" or wherever you are.

Take care!

In dreams sometimes I see the future. It is either some kind of detailed picture (like a flash), or it is lasting a bit longer like a very short movie/dream, or it is like a real dream (but does not need to be interpreted as it is straightforward) or it is a very specific dream that need interpretation. All are always related to catastrophs in the world, wars, terrorism, etc... Here are a few example:

- I had a dream where I was listening to the radio in my car, the comentator was in a remote country (I remember the name starting and ending with the sound A) and he was talking about a few hundred deads, due to a bomb. A few days later the bombing in Indonesia that killed 200 people happened and I learned it while listening to the radio in my car. The comentator was talking from Australia (I am in the US, so it is  remote for us).

- In a dream I see corpses laying on the floor in their blood, or I see raw meat, it is always a premonition of a deadly terrorist attack in Israel.

- I had a dream of devastation that look like an earthquake. I did not suspect it was an earthquake but rather I though it might be due to an explosion, a terrorist attack, as the media was talking at that time about possible attacks in US. I posted in the prophecy forum of AP as an Attack on Washington. Then I realised it was the eartquake in Iran, preceeded a few days before by an earthquake in Paso Robles (california) - there were two scenes of devastation in my dreams, both looked like earthquake. see the link:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9540

as you can easily understand the interpretation, date and location of the vision is not always straightforward.

I also posted something about Saddam being caught on that same forum. So it seems that seeing into the future is a "normal" ability (?), once you are in the astral.

As posted in the Religions section of AP, from the Zohar, things that a person thinks and do, if they are (say) "bad" or "mean" (e.g. feeling of hatred) can "come and join the demonic forces / join forces with the demon spirit, molding itself into the exact image of that human, moving into his house to torment him. Sometimes his stay is for the good, if one purifies himsel. If not is is a horrible visitation."

This is clearly an allusion to some form of Negs, created by the person him/herself.

There is allusion also that the opposite is also true where the person who does right God will guide hims always and satisfy his soul with sparkling of flashes.

From there we can explain someone who radiates golden light on one side in contrast with some who radiates Negs, probably of dark appearence (in contrast to the sparks).

It is clear then that to get rid of Negs and other "horrible visitations", one has to have positive thoughts and has to "purify" him/herself. These things are just projections that we make from here into the astral realm.

May the light shine upon you and on your way!

Dreams of fishing have usually a good meaning. The water out of which you fish is your unconscious (the unconscious part of yourself) and the fish obviously (and usually) represents something coming straight from there (from the unconscious part of your mind), something that sits deep in you. The fact that the fish was put into a mail box addressed to someone else, means that it is a message from you unconscious for someone else, such as for example a feeling for someone (a good one or a bad one). Illegal fishing means that your subconscious (the barrier between the conscious part of you and the unconscious part of you) does not allowed for messages to pass from your unconscious to your conscious. These unconscious messages can be anything, and it is up to you to find out whether there is anything that could fit this description. There is not enough details for me to say more.

The interesting part is that it is about a few persons apparently having a common dream.

Dreams, Lucid Dreams, AP-OBE all do have some parts that come from our very own mind and that need to be interpreted. Other parts can be real images, for example of the future (premonitions).

To me your dream could be a premonition of a flood in the area where
you live.

However, most probably it is not. Water in dreams represent the depth of your unconscious. Water usually is purifying (=cleaning). HOwever, it depends how the waters were. Were the wates muddy and dirty? Or was it all clear and kind of blue/green? A purfying water would be clear, while muddy water would not. Fish in the water represent good things coming up from your unconscious. Another explanation of natural catastrophies in dreams is that it represents a change ahead in your life, a change that you are afraid of, or at least that your unconscious part of yourself is afraid of.

So you see, there are interpretations for water, flood, etc... and then it is up to you to apply this to your very own life and see where it fits, if it fits.

Are you yourself strict? Are you always making sure the toilets are spotless (before you sit)? Here I am trying to see if the other person was actually created by your own mind. Do you know of any Harry (or any girl whose brother is Harry) - except for Potter of course.

that's the kind of questions you have to ask yourself here. I hope I could help.

Shaman the dreamer

Yes, your nerves can send you in the astral.

However, the way you write your story sounds like you asked what' is the meaning of life, and were afraid of death. And then you actually got an answer: "here look, this is how death is like, just you pop out of your body, you see, nothing special, nothing  to worry about, it does not hurt, it is nice, etc.." As if yourself, or your guide, or an angel, or God (since you said "my God!") came to answer you desperate call for life.

I had a similar experience once as I went to sleep, I felt vibrations and golden light and I  just pop out, up above my body. I could see myself below me. At the same moment it was like in a dream and I was saying to myself "I am dying", "this is how it  feels when you die". So It was kind of an answer to the question "what is  death" and that we are all afraid of it.

I hope this helps.

It sounds like OBE starting from a dream. I had a similar one some 20 years ago, but the difference with your experiences is that I actually saw myself lying down on my bed as I started floating upwards. Then I started drifting in the house. Other differences with your experiences is that it happened to me like that only once and that I saw my deceased grand mother while drifting/floating away. Eventually it turned into a dream. Initially I thought it was all just a dream and only later (a bit like you) I realised it was and OBE. Since then I have had only one successfull volontary OBE and one unsucessful (it stopped withing seconds). When I was a kid in dreams I would fly and pass through windows, but I am not sure if these were OBE. More recenlty I have some other experiences, more like premonitions.

Can you fly in your dream to a place you know to check after that if it was real? (if the place you saw was a real place in the physical world).

In these dreams, do you know that you are dreaming, are you lucid? Or only when you wake up you realise?

Cheers, []

Concerning NEGS, I see 3 things in the Zohar (and other sources) that can be related and explaining NEGS. Here are some of the things that can generate NEGS:

- things that we did and were wrong, such as hurting others, etc...(usually refered to as "sins" or similars...- though I do not like that appelation).  

- speaking behind the back of others (known as "lashon Har'a").

- just spoken language in general.

- feelings of hatred.

-1) spoken language.
I will start with the last one. The spoken language appears already at the very beginning of the Bible where it is enough for God to say "let there be light" for the light to appear (and many other things). Though of course here it is  God (or a Higher Entity if you prefer to call things that way). However this even happens at the level of people, not only at the Divine level. Again in Joseph's dream, when he dreamed that 11 stars, the sun and the moon were bowing to him, his brothers answered to that dream:
"will you reign over us?"
"will you rule over us?"
(genesis 37:
and the Zohar says: suddenly they had revealed the interpretation of the dream and sealed their own fate!

We see from there and from other texts that indeed the language is seen almost as magic, as if there were entities or forces listening and able to use these words to seal the future.

2) Lashon Har'a, speaking on the back of others. If one agress with the power of the spoken words as in (1), then of course spekaing bad things behind the back of others is in itself a part of it. However, it is mentioned in particular, which might means that it is indeed more powerfull than just words. These are words spoken against somebody without him/her knowing about it and therefore being unable to defend (shield) against it, therefore the person might be more susceptible to such negs.

3) Feeling of hatred: again taken from the context of Joseph and his brothers, they hated him and it is written:
"they hated him even more".
This implies that they provoked accusations against him,
and it is added: their hatred stimulated demonic forces to delay the fulfillment of the dream (the prophetic dream of Joseph).
We see here that explicitly that hatred can stimulate demonic forces to act in the physical world.

4) Other sources that can tirgger NEGS are our wrong doings. Here I will ellaborate a little more. This is extracted from the Zohar, the part known as Jacob's Garment of Days:

"when a human being is created,
on the day he comes into the world,
simultaneoulsy, all the days of his life are arranged above.
(all the future? or only the important events of one's life are already there?)
One by one, they (the days) come flying down into the world
to alert that human being, day by day.
If, when a day comes to alert him,
he sins on that day before his Lord,
then that day climbs up in shame,
bears wirness and stands alone outside.
After standing alone
it (that day) sits and waits for that human to turn back to his Lord,
to restore the day.
If he succeeds, that day returns to its place;
(it is not explicitly explain how he/she can succeed to "restore" these "bad" days, but the way is to "get back to Lord", to repent)
if not, (if one does not succeed to restore the "bad" days)
that day comes down to join the forces with the outlaw spirit,
(the outlaw spirit is also what is refered to as the demonic forces)
moving into his house to torment him.
Sometimes his (the stay of that spirit) is for the good,
if one purifies himself.
If not, it is a horrible visitation.
[we therefore see here that what one does can generate demonic forces, probably what we call the NEGS in the astral].
Either way, such days are lacking, missing from the total.

Here we clearly see how dark entities, NEGS, ghosts(?) or other things that can "haunt" us in the physical and in the astral (and dreams?) can come from our very own self.

To complete this topic on the posting, I will add actually a few words about the opposite, the being of lights:

In the same section of the Zohar it is written:
All the righteous
who are privileged to wear a radiant garment of their days
are crowned in that world with crowns worn by the Patriarchs...
"God will guide you always
and satisfy your soul with sparkling flashes
(Isaiah 58:11).
We see from here that the  "righteous" might be identified with the being of lights, radiating energy and light in all directions.

TO summarize on prophetic dreams and visions, these are seen as Divine messages coming from the upper level (energy? - God) down to the level of the dreamer (AP level). Where we can see the following:

- Sometimes the dreams/visions depict exactly what will happen.

- Most of the time the visions come in a dream an need interpretation. In Joseph, he is the one who gives the interpretation. Often the number of things that appear in the dream is a symbol for the number of days or year to pass before the premonitions happen. For example in one dream the baker dreamed that he is carrying three baskets of bread and that the baskets are falling and birds are eating the bread. The interpretation is that the three baskets are 3 days to pass, and the premonition is that the bird eating the bread represent the birds that will eat the flesh of the baker after Pharaoh will put him to death on the 3rd day. Some interpretation are more complex, others are simpler.

- The Angel Gabriel interpret the dream for Daniel. It is the appearence of a higher entity from the astral (Gabriel). It is said that the angel Michael also appears (from time to time) at the level of dreams (in the astral realm).

- Then of course there are these prophecies which are difficult to explain as none has given precisions about them. I mean mainly in the bible.

From my own experience, premonitions come during dreams, as vivid dreams, most of the time as a direct vision of the event to come. Usually the place and time is not given, though most of the time the place is understood from the context and the time frame is the premonition happens withing 1 to a week.

SO far I have tried to bring to you some of the matterial that is found in the Zohar and the bible, to show that even there AP/OBE and other "paranormal" phenomena are mentioned and explained. However, the "higher" entities in the astral are viewed as either angels, man, or even "God". The levels in the tree of life in the Zohar correspond to the levels that are from the dream world all the way to the level of death, passing through the level of Astral Projection. AP is rather related to the lower levels, the higher level (reaching God) is more related to Near Death Experience narratives.

I will continue and post next time about "Negs".

I cannot comment on New, Mark, but I can tell you about how I used to never remember my dreams and today I remember at least one dream per night, often two and even three (usually toward the morning sleep cycles).

I understand that you have a journal and are probably auto suggesting yourself before going to bed, etc... In addition to all that I also use herbs (tea) and it seems to work: take some infusion of tea of the following herbs (one or more of these): chamomille, lemon blam (mellissa), catnip (=catmint), passion flower (passiflora), vervain (vervena), hops, valerian,...

Chamomille, catnip, passion flower, .. are weak soothing and sedative, good to relax and have a good night sleep. Valerian is stronger and even used by physician.

As to the memory you can make a sleep pillow (fill in a little pillow with herbs) with rosemay and mugworth (artemisia vulgaris). You can also just smell the rosemary, or some burn it, or I even make a tea out of it (though you might want to add some other herb with it, since it is not that tasty).

This should help you to sleep better, and it is usually after 5-6 hour of sleep that you will remember your dreams, so usually the morning dreams are the dream we remember, though often we can wake up in the middle of the night and remember a (vivid) dream. Rosemary is notorious for improving memory in general.

There are also tips to remember dreams, such as:
- when you start waking up don't move, just lay still and try to get back to the sensation of sleep and dream.
- try to remember only one little piece of hint from your dream and then work your way back to the whole dream from that little piece (you might want to do some checks such as did I dream of an animal? a toilet? a car? a family member? etc... make a list if you wish).

Good luck, and have nice dreams! [|)]

Now in this message I will try to bring some of the interesting things that are said about dreams, vision and prophecies in the Zohar. Since it is directly related to the previous topic I posted on AP/OBE, there will be some repetitions. I will put again comments in parenthesis () and [].

begin citation:

(As I finished in the previous posting: )
"He Said, Hear My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, God, make Myself known to him in a vision,
I speak with him in a dream"
(Numbers 12:6)

[we see here already that premonitory dreams, vision, prophecies, are understood as communication from the Divine, and it is done during sleep time]

"Come and see:
All prophets of the world were nurtured from a single apsect
throught two well known levels

[these are the lower levels (sefirot) of Endurance (netash) and Majesty (hod), they are the channels of inspiration, the field of prophetic vision]

Those rungs appeared in the mirror that does not shine

(that mirror is not clear and it is "reflecting" divine essence to the prophet - see also New Testament Paul says "For now we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face")

as is written:
I (God) make Myself known to him in mar'ah (a vision, but also a mirror in hebrew - the same word)
What is this mar'ah ?
It has been explained: a mirror in which all colors appear

(this mar'ah, mirror, vision, is in fact the lower level of the 10 levels between God and us, that lower level is the source of life and it is known as Shekhinah; through that level/mirror all the other levels are reflected to the gaze of the prophet, though not with full clarity)

This is the mirror that does not shine.


[as to the regular people, not the prophets, it is only said that God speaks with them and give them warnings, so these come as dreams:]

"In a dream, a vision of the night,
when slumber falls on humans
as they sleep upon their bed,
He (God) uncovers human ears,
terrifies them with warning"
(job 33:15-16)

- I will continue later (this week?).

I will light a candel and pray for that spirit (no matter if alive or dead) to leave Dark Knight alone.

May the light be with you Dark Knight!

Hi Wisp,

There are 2 aspects that I see in dreams: dreams that comes from our very own mind and maybe from the astral and Premonitory dreams.

The text of the Zohar also mentioned that, but the Zohar speaks about interpreting the premonitions only. They called these premonitions either dreams, visions or prophecy. They do not address at all the interpretation of the presonnal part of the dreams.

Psychology and Psychanalyse are trying to find interpretation for the personnal part of our dreams. Most of the dreams come in symbolism and need to be interprated. Some are more straightforward than others.

Here, I am trying to see only the premonitions, sicne to interpret a personnal dream you must know a lot about the dreamer, and eventually it is up to dreamer to intepret his/her very own dream.

So what I will concentrate on is the premonitory dreams, as addressed in the Bible and the Zohar.

Let me just give one simple example. A premonitory dream, or vision, can come as an image of something that will happen, e.g. a plane crash, and it happens the next day for example. Or the vision can come in symbolism, e.g. dream of raw red meat represents death: in the dream the person to whom the meat is offered is the person who is going to die withing a short period of time.

I will try to address some of the other things I mentioned about the zohar, in another posting tomorrow.

You are right that this forum has also some stuff that should not be here. First I was insulted once by skymageinfinity who had Neo-Nazi arguments. I even left the forum for a while. Now that I am back I discover that some a talking about masturbation on the forum.

Where is the spirituality? Where is the level? How low can you go?

I hope we can all help to go up the slope and not let things go down.

Maybe, corvette, this should be addressed directly to the moderators and others who are responsible for the web site [?]

Were these really angels? Did they introduced themselves as such?

Angels are supposed to be the emanation of the Divine, or in other words they are messangers of God. I think it is Christianity, New Age and NDErs who introduce this picture of Angels who radiate pure love. In the Bible (Old Testement) there is even an Angel of Death who is sent upon Pharao and all Egypt. Angels can take human appearance or any other appearance.

The most common Angels who is depicted in visions, dreams and such in the Old Testement is Gabriel, the Angel appointed over dreams. He is the one who interpret the prophetic dreams of Daniel for example.

Leyla, Did you get any names from these "beings"?

Concerning dreams, lucid dreams, OBE/AP here is what we find in the book of radiancd (sefer ha zohar), under Joseph's Dream topic. I am including only the text that is relevant and I am adding (in parenthesis (), or [] ) some explanations. the dots ... means that I have omitted text which was either not relevant or was too technical or was for people who knows already more about Kaballah and Aramean (Hebrew).

beginning of citation:

...

(The level of dreams)
It is the 6th level from the level of prophecy,
the level of (angel) Gabriel, appointed over dreams.
(Angel Gabriel is the one who appeared in the dreams of
Daniel 8:16; 9:22; he interprets dreams and he is the Prince
of dreams)
As it has been said.

Come and see:
(this expression is often used in the Zohar)
Every proper dream comes from this level;
(there are 10 levels on which Kaballah/Zohar is based,
from the crown/top/God down to the level that engenders
the life "below"; also known as the tree of life)
so you cannot have a dream without false imaginings intermingling,
as we have established.
Therefore parts are true and parts are false.
(exactly like in AP/OBE, where things appear where they should not)
You cannot have a dream that does not reflect both this side and that (side).

...

Because a dream includes illusion and truth,
and the word rules over all.
So a dream needs a good interpretation.

...

For when a person sleeps in his bed,
his soul leaves him and soars up above,
(obviously AP/OBE but unconsciously)
each one on its own path.
(again exactly as in AP, where one can access different
realities while APing)
She (the soul is feminine in the text) ascends in this way,
as has been said.
What is written!
"In a dream, a vision of the night,
when people are lying in their beds asleep,
the soul leaves them,
as it is written:
as they sleep upon their bed, He (God) uncovers human ears".
(in the book of Job, God speaks to everyone during our sleep)
Then the Blessed Holy One reveals to the soul,
through that level presiding over dreams,
(a higher level [of energy?]),
things that are destined to come about in the world
(visions of the future, premonitions)
or things corresponding to the mind's reflections
(answers to our very own self problems)
so that the dreamer will respond to the warning.
(here the voice of our unconscious is identified with
the voice of God, maybe our collective subconscious)

For nothing is revealed
while a person is still under the spell of the body,
(need to be in deep transe as you see!)
as we have said.
Rather, an angel (Gabriel?) tells the soul,
and the soul, the person,
and the dream is from beyond (from the AP world),
when souls leave bodies (OBE) and ascend (to a higher level?),
each on its own path.

There are levels upon levels within the mystery of a dream,
(different levels of energy in the astral???)
all within the mistery of wisdom.
(meditation?)
Now come and see:
dream is one level,
vision is one level,
prophecy is one level.
All are levels within levels,
one above the other.

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end of citation.

Here it seems that dreams are at that level that they need to be interpreted and that they can contain also "things from the mind of the dreamer"; visions and prophecies are more difficult to distinguish from each other. Visions are things that can happen in the future, but are most probably simple individual images; while prophecies are long, made of many pictures and involve also the presence of angels (Gabriel), however the distinction is not clear:

"If there is a prophet among you,
I, YHVH, make Myself known to him in a vision,
I speak with him in a dream" (Numbers 12:6)

That's it for today. I will address dreams/visions/prophecies in the next posting, when I'll have more time to post.

Feel free to comment or ask anything.

Gilgul nefashot - the "rolling over" of the souls, or reincarnation. Thanks Beth for your insight. I am a bit late to reply, I know.

It is believe that some people who suffer a lot on this planet are in their last "gilgul" (incarnation) and that it is for them a platform to spring to a higher plane. It is said in the Zohar "le kol am israel makom be olam ha bah", which means that all the poeple of Israel (there might be different ways to interpret who these are of course) have a place in the "world to come", which hints that "am Israel" has a place already waiting them in the other world. Does that mean that they are in their last incarnation? Or that there is something special waiting for them there? Not sure. Some other sources, such as in the book of T. Rampa, have speculated that the jews are here on earth like some people at school who stay in the same grade for 2 years, in that sens that on one side they seems to know more when compared to the people in the same class, but on the other side they have actually failed in the first place. One way or another, some want to believe that not all the souls are the same, or are not at the same level of learning. For sure everyone has been given a different task on this planet.