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Yes it is cool!

Well if you really want to know how to have an OBE you can learn. There isn't just one way to do it and some ways don't work for some people. It really depends on you. I've read at least 6 books on the subject and have spent alot of time experimenting in order to have the few experiences I've had.

I'd recommend reading all of Robert Monroe's books and also Robert Bruce's books on the subject. They come at the OOBE from different directions and it's good to get a feel for what people are trying to say.

quote:Originally posted by Shippo_The_Gothic_Fox

WOW! This all sounds so cool! I wish i knew how to have an OBE. Can anyone please tell me how?

In my opinion God is not a person or something you can give a set boundary to. God is everything and everyone. God is the sum of all things and exists in each one of us and in every grain of sand or speck of dust. In the wind and ocean. Birds and tree's. God is not good nor evil because god is the sum of both human concepts.

So to answer your question NO... you can't have anything that exists outside, good nor bad.

Most religions try and limit god and this is why people look for there own answers. I'm not foolish enough to think that I will ever understand god because I am but one speck in the greater whole. People need to learn that you can not simply some things. That you can't be told what to believe because there isn't just one right answer.

In the end what is important is the quest. Not what answer you reach at the end of your journey.

I don't agree...
One can project but not be able to think without language. I know this because i've done it lots of times. If you wanna communicant with lots of different beings then what you said is correct.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

To astral project, you need the ability to think without language. The best stuff in astral has no english translation.

Aquarius

quote:Originally posted by Nay

I think he needs a girlfriend!  NUFF SAID!

Psssssssst..any takers?

Nay []

HEY NOW! thats not fair... why does the bible guy get a chance for a date. I want a date too... ugh... Once again thinking for youself and being your own person gets you NO WHERRE.. What does he have that I don't! I'm tall dark and willing to tell you what you should and shouldn't belieive in...

I know whats best for all of you TOO...

I want a date...or else your burn in hell

Sniffle... []

quote:Originally posted by OldLad

I was just wondering how someone could tell the difference when one is meditating and they get swirly pictures, faces, symbols and even scenes; whether or not they are experiencing hypnagogic hallucinations or genuine clayrvoyant messages?

Thanks

OldLad (not really old though, 31 [^])

Hello again,[^]

I would say that there shouldn't be any set way to know that. Its an art that requires trial and error.

Just my Opinion yea know...[]

quote:Originally posted by OldLad
Nay, you are having the same exact problem I am.  I CAN'T SEE!  I see, well okay, when I'm lying in bed with vibrations going but once I think I'm astral traveling, forget it.  I can't see nor can I move well.  For some reason my astral body wants to walk on a hardened floor instead of floating or gliding.  Makes for a challenge as I'm walking as a baby first learning to walk.  

Anyways, both of you had good points that I had to respond to []

OldLad

I've never had anyone standing around ether. Although I've heard people scream at me before...

quote:Originally posted by OldLad
  My question is.  What can I do to improve all this?  Its like juggling multiple problems at the sametime and my astral body INSISTS on wanting to leave but stuck from moving.  I keep wanting to see my body lying there but...I can't see nothing nor do I know where I'm at.  Thanks for your help and glad to see everyone well.

Hello,

Well I struggle with the same kinda problems. There just isn't one answer. I myself find that when I have a steady determination but don't try and force an exit it just happens in time. It is very hard to manage though. You have to be somewhat detached from the experience for it to work. Easier said than done!

This probably doesn't help you any. I don't really know what else to say besides keep trying....

Best regards,
Luke

quote:Hehehe mindless zombie type things! that was funny..
I have been bitten but never did the change, perhaps I am too zombie like already?..lol.

I too had to get over talking into it..[:O] wow, I sound so dorky when listening back to it..but eh.. it really helps..recorded a couple this morning!

Nay []

hehe, yeah I didn't write it to be funny but I guess it turned out that way.

I do love dreaming. I even like the bad ones... I might have to give the recorder a try. []

quote:Originally posted by OldLad

I just love the support in this forum.  A number of questioned posts have been posted by myself with no advice, comments or even pointers from anyone.  I guess it shows that its not the interest of the topic that gets responses but who you know.  Anyways have fun with your little inner circle.[}:)]

I sorta agree with you. People do seem to respond more to certain people... It can't be helped. It's human nature.

quote:Originally posted by travelinbob

Not sure if it was and LD or OBE because I ran into the door and it was solid. This is what happened:

I woke up around 3:30am this morning. Too early for coffee so I got myself comftrable again and tried to get back to sleep. All the time I kept repeating to myself: "I'm out of my body." I repeated that sentence until I fell asleep. And all of the sudden I fell asleep but was still conscious. (I guess it would be a Wake Induced LD). But I did not realize it had happened until I began, for some reason, to think about a sucubus. All of the sudden I felt the vibrations and thought I had summoned one. So I told myself "F--k this sh#t!" And jumped up out of bed (first sign I was LD or OBE, can't do it normaly). I "ran" to the kitchen. On my way there I tried turning on the light of my room and the switch did not work (second sign). I got to the kitchen, where the light was on. (I think I had tried to turn that switch.) The cat looked at me. And I tried to go through the door but it was solid, so I'm questioning if it was an OBE. Although I do think it was an OBE. WHat ya think.

Well I've had OOBE's where I've had problems moving through solid objects. You have to remember that what you think you can do is what you really can do. Basically when I have an OOBE and something feels solid It sometimes takes alittle more will power to pass through it. It's all just a mind game.

quote:Originally posted by Hismidnightrose
Hi! I'm new here myself so not sure how much help I can really be. I came here hoping to find some insight into OBE vs sleep paralysis myself. I've been experiencing spontaneous episodes of one or the other for a few years now and lately they come usually at least twice a week.
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So I don't know what to make of it anymore. I cringe to talk about this so openly because it seems to only get responses that I'm either making it up, something is wrong with me, etc. These days I'm still searching for answers but I'm much more open to all possibilities.

Hi,

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with you. Most everything you said in your message sounds pretty much like the some kinda stuff I've experienced myself.

I posted about a few of my recent experiences in "OOBE I just had! - Extended Discussion "

It sounds like you have a lot of fear about it all and that's understandable. It's hard to know what is going on when you can't see anything. The part about the attacks isn't something I've had to deal with yet but I'm sure someone here has probably had something like that happen.

I myself have had at least 20 different experiences where I couldn't breathe or move. It's very hard to stay calm and feels terrible but it always passes.

I hope you find some answers to your experiences. I'd recommend you actively try and get out of your physical body and confront whatever is there. That's really the only way you are going to end the harassment. You have it inside yourself to put a stop to it.


Best wishes,
Luke

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Well actually when you try to talk to someone in the astral you have to communicate this way. I dont know any other way.

I dont want to write about my experiences because people may think that i am just setting these up. Because they sound silly, really silly. But anyway, i tried to talk to a stone once. It answered me. It was nonsense i know. But i just tried it. I said "What are you?" and it said "I am energy."

When you are in the astral everything can happen you know.

That doesn't sound silly to me. People are very use to the way the physical world works so I believe that when we try and explore the astral we should try everything we can, even silly stuff. It's sorta like being a child again. You shouldn't feel bad because you're intelligent enough to realize that things might react differently.

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About the communication:
I can describe it as knowing it when it is told you. Yes nothing but knowing.

I mean we interpret the words in order to understand the sentences. I can talk turkish and english. When i read or hear sentences in these languages i understand them. Like this:
When you hear : "I am from Trdoniiddia" You simply understand that the person talking is from somewhere named Trdoniiddia. But you just dont know the word Trdoniiddia. You had never heard of it. But you can understand that it is a name of some place.
This shows that we just dont interpret the words but we interpret sentences and phrases. When you hear the whole phrase you just understand and "know" it.

Astral communication is similar. You dont hear any words, instead you just know when something is transmitted to you. But your concious mind is used to think with words since you had learned to talk. So when you know something is transmitted you just imagine it is told you by words. I mean you convert them.

This explains how an animal or creature can talk in turkish. Even a stone can.

Yes I see your point but currently when I'm in the astral I still use words because that's what I'm use to. I've not had very many experiences where I've tried communicating to other being so I'm somewhat behind you in that regard. I can only speak the one language as well. Do you think that being multilingual has helped you to understand beings in the astral? I think that it might help you somewhat...

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I am working hard on communicating and thinking without using the words.

Last night when i went to bed. I started breath meditation. On each exhale i tried to know that which number i am counting.

Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 1
Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 2
Inhale
Exhale
I feel like i am knowing i am on 3
.
it goes on like this.

This really helps. Please experiment it and tell me about your experiences on this.

I tried this briefly but so far I can't figure out how to do it. Once again I'm so use to thinking in words I'm having trouble. I have no problem with thinking in emotions like love or happy but concepts like 1 boggle me...

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Why does everyone get Swords? *sigh* I never get a Sword...I get the occasional gun and even then the dang thangs don't work right or I can't load them fast enough!  The last dream I had with Zombie's, it took 2 shots to kill them..so I had to reload everytime! Boy, did that suck..lol  they would get right up to me before I could get the last shot in.

Nay []

Humm the last dream I had with zombies turned out badly for me. They finally got me and turned me into a mindless zombie, then I walked around doing mindless zombie type things.

Eck! don't be a zombie it's no fun.

I've thought about getting one, I'd feel funny talking into the thing though... [:I]

quote:Originally posted by Man Of Jade

lol! thanks, my dreams are a regular theatre[8D]

Maybe you subconsciously think that woman are evil and want to hurt you even though they pretend to be sweet and nice to your face.

Side note, I've personally had a few dreams where I've died in my dream. I've always heard that if you die in your dream then you die in real life. This isn't true...

One dream I had I was being chased and I jumped off an 8 story building and went splat. Then I was just kinda dragged around with my dead body for awhile before waking up.

quote:Originally posted by Graupel

Is it possible to convert an astral projection (most likely in my instance, if it's done from a lucid dream state or hypnapompic "waking" borderline sleep state) to an OOBE?

Is it *absolutely* impossible to cross back into the physical buffer from the astral planes, and if it is possible.. what technique could one try in order to have a fully blown etheric OOBE from an AP?

I have alot of lucid dreams and I've never been able to convert them into an OOBE. I've read a few suggestions on how to do this in the past but none have worked for me... ([]And no I don't remember where I read about how to do so, sorry []

As far as from the waking state, yes that is where I have the most OOBE's. Basically I don't really have to do much of anything. The vibrations just come after I lay still with no verbal type thoughts in my head.

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Well i can understand what is said to me and i can also speak by that way. I really find it hard to describe, too. I just cant find the words to describe it.

By the way, do you think that this can be telepathy?

How many times have you communicated in this way? And with who or what? Did you learn anything that might be of value to the rest of us?

I would like to say no in regards to the telepathy but being that I've never experienced telepathy I just can't say.  I'd like to think that telepathy would still be more vocal in nature where-as what I experienced wasn't words.

That's kind-of intresting though...

quote:Originally posted by Birm
Hi Jeff,
Actually i want to answer your question myself. Because I am a Muslim, too. I actually started to wander about AP and OBE when i was reading Our Holy Book Quran. I dont want to get in a religous conversation over here. But In the book i have found a few clues about the astral cord, having an astral body... The book also says clearly that everybody is projecting when they sleep at night.

But as i said i dont want a religious discussion over here. So i just mentioned these in order to answer your question and exchange knowledge.

Congrads!

Yes I had alot of problems moving at first too. The more you struggle the less control you seem to have. After you have enough OOBE's you get use to being out of physical form. I still have problems with sight myself. Check out my topic "OOBE I just had!" you might find something useful.

quote:Originally posted by kozzi

I had an OBE yesterday, but it was really strange.  I was really tired because I had stayed up all night.  I finally went to bed to nap at around 8:30 am.  After some time I began to notice that my feet were waving back and forth like a fish tail.  I knew what this meant so I tried to feel myself falling through the bed face first (I was laying on my stomach).  I immediately started passing through the bed and getting very excited.  I was able to calm myself to a certain extent, but I'm afraid my excitement caused some loss of lucidity during the experience.  My mind was completely there though.  I made a point to look down at my body...  wow, what a freaky feeling that is to see your own seemingly lifeless body laying there in the bed.  The strange part of my experience was my loss of control.  I was barely able to control my movement and I was kind of just bobbling around like an inflated balloon.  Also, I could not see very clearly...  everything looked as if I were viewing the world through night-vision goggles, but not as clear.  

I was just happy to have the third OBE of my life, and I believe I know how to reproduce it much better now.  The wavering effect really got my attention and I was better able to tune into that than any other method I've heard of.  I just let myself go with it!  Absolutely incredible!!!

Kozzi

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Can you try to describe this sound more? Is this sound getting louder and louder when the vibrations spread all over you? Can you hear this sound while projecting? Ever realized this sound when you wake up in the morning?

It's pretty high pitched and yes It does get louder to a point but I'm not too sure if it's really getting louder or if I'm just becoming more aware of it. I'm somewhat of the mindset that the sound is always there and that the brain just ignores it normally. I don't think the sound in itself is directly related to OOBE. But I base this on my own personal feeling... Once I project the sound pretty much stops. As far as waking up, yes when I'm not using an alarm clock I notice the sound often and I find it to be the best time to project as it seems that some layer that makes it difficult just isn't there.

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I have this same feeling sometimes. Do you have any idea why is this happening?

Human nature...

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Yes, i am glad to hear this because i sometimes have the same experiences on sight. But i must admit when i try to let it go and just wait for a better sight. It gets clearer. Real than real.

I'm not really sure what exactly I do differently than I did at first but yes it's becoming easier. It seems at first like I was struggling to use something that wasn't there. Now it's more naturally but I'm still having some problems. I guess it will continue to improve as I get use to operating in the astral.

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Oh god. This was what i always wanted to talk about. This may be that in the astral we are not talking with words, instead we are comminucating with feelings maybe. I mean like feeling what has been said to you instead of hearing it.

In these days i am trying to meditate with feelings instead of words. I mean i count my breath while meditating. But instead of saying 1,2,3 i try to feel what 1 feels like, and 2 feels like. This puts me in a trance very quickly. And its easier too.

I want to discuss more about the astral senses. So i am waiting for your contribution.

Yes! it's really amazing. I've only had one experience with it so far but the more I reflect on it the more interested I become. If you have never experienced it you just can't be told what it's like. It's just that different! What type of experiences have you had? Do you understand anything said yet? As far as meditating yes that sounds like a very interesting idea. Thanks for the scoop I'll try it.
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Yes yes we all know bad things happen every single day. My point was that there where no major events, which required the level of worry, everyone seemed to spew forth earlier this month...

But I guess that's just my opinion...[}:)]

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Terrible evil things happen every month. Theres so many, I stopped keeping track of them years ago.

Well let's see...

When I drop down from a second story it feels as if I am a feather slowly drifting down. So far I've found it very hard to fly and mostly stick to walking. I don't think gravity is really affecting me at all but my mind thinks it is. I would say gravity has almost no affect on the astral but don't quote me on that.

I can't say that I've smelled anything in any of my oobe's. Although when I go threw walls perhaps there is some kinda of smell. It's very hard to describe.

I feel different in each OOBE. Sometimes I am 100% conscious and sometimes it's more like a cross between a dream and a OOBE. I do admit being overly rushed to do something. I should really take the time to stop and smell the roses as it where but it's been a struggle to have an OOBE and when I do feel rushed.

Seeing was terribly hard at first. It would fad out and in as I tried to straggle to see. Here lately it shifts between kinda bad to really good. It's pretty much been inline with physical sight so far. I see in one direction just like I normally do with very little weird astral sight stuff like some people report.

Last night I repeated what I had done to have the OOBE's in my previous post and this morning I had two more OOBE's! The first one really wasn't much more than getting out of my body for a few seconds then getting pulled back in but the second one was kinda interesting. I started out in my room and was trying to go threw my wall but found it really hard to get threw as it felt like the fillings in my teeth where solid and would not pass threw the wall. I don't know why I would have astral fillings in the first place but it kinda hurt! After trying a few times I finally got outside but it wasn't outside my current home it was outside of my childhood home. It looked really dark outside and was hard to see so I got alittle uncomfortable but I went ahead and yelled for my spirit guide. This time I didn't see anything for a few seconds. I turned around and started walking back toward the house when I noticed a black bird on the ground next to my feet. It squaked at me but this time I clearly noticed that there was two different things happening. The squak happened then at the same time but taking much longer there was a stream of idea's or thoughts coming into me. I have completely no idea what they where but it was kinda like someone whispering to you just below the level you can understand them. You know they said something but you can't make it out. Maybe this is what Mr Monroe was talking about with his non-verbal communication. Right after that everything went dark and I found myself back in my bed.

quote:Originally posted by Birm

Hi Lunatic,

Can you please try to describe us how you feel while OBE. I mean the state of mind. Sounds and eyesight. Smells. Gravity...

Regards,

I completely love school.

I don't relate well to how the education system works in America. I completed high school and took alittle college but I decided to start my own business and dropped out after about a year.

-Luke

I was born on Jan 21 1978 at 5pm EST.

I'm a recovering negative who learned that 2 two negative actions don't create a positive one.

I'm a single, sad and lonely guy who works to hard for too little.

I like to think that I have a pretty good understanding of why people need a bonk on their collective heads.

And I think all this flaming back and forth on the site only serves to show peoples ignorance and lack of understanding.

Yep I take melatonin pills from time to time in order to get to sleep. Be forwared though, it can give you really crazy bad dreams.

quote:Originally posted by Adrian<BR>
I have seen Melatonin available in tablet form for people suffering from jet lag and sleep disorders to bring everything back into sync.