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In fact, Carlos Castaneda was guided during the sessions with "the little smoke" (hallucinogenic preparation) but not with the Peyotl. He was alone in the experience. Well not alone, he was with Mescalito, the spirit of Peyotl. His shamanic teacher used to say that Mescalito is a master in itself, taching "the good way".
Anyone ever tried Peotl here ?

that's why he has his place here ...[]

quote:Originally posted by wisp

LA FORET MAUVE:
You voice an apparent bitterness toward Christianity.So why are you requesting a Christian's point of view?
- So sorry for the unvolontary bitterness[B)]...it's just that i was wondering how the other people, who kept the christian system were dealing with the idea of heaven
Are you judging a religious system by the personal experience you had back then? Are you letting detractors effect your personal journey?
- I am just curious and ready to check if i am missing something...

What are some of the contradictions you speak about?

Because the traditional decription of the heaven was a place were you meet all your familly members who were dead. For example i could imagine me meeting my grand parents but i could imagine them only with theyr "old" physical appearance and i thinked that my grand parents wouldn't keep this appearance in the paradise but that they would look young again...i couldn't help thinking that i wasn't sure that i wanted to meet them young. Weird i know [|)]
I couldn't stop thinking that a place where you are eternally happy must be very boring in the long run, comparatively to the incredible complex and amazing world in wich we are living NOW. And maybe the idea to see my deceased dog flying from cloud to cloud with little wings in the back embarassed me a little [|)]
After experimenting the fact that we are just a part of the universe, temporaly assembled in an human form with a consciousness (how lucky lucky we are) with a name, an history and that, after death, we'll dissolve in all the universe...i stopped to think about the idea of paradise, nor reincarnations, etc. I appeared to me just like a way for our temporal egos to not be afrais of death that's all. I prefer "return" to the universe than keeping my little, narrow myself for the eternity (Amen).
If the subject of heaven was one of your favorite things to think about, why did you stop?
- because it was too "childish" in my opinion... hey, i was a child[]
Anyway, that's just my opinions...[B)]

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2) Did you think it was mostly an hallucination or was it more AP?
for the "mexican landscape and peoples" i don't know, but the rest was obviously an AP
  - Because of the landscape, which is obviously different that Japan's landscape....it appears its an hallucination.
-hmm...is phasing an hallucination ? it could have been an astral worl, not necessary the real time zone

3) Can you contrast/compare an AP with a hallucination?
Good question ! I think yes...but how to be sure [|)]
  - Only you can compare your AP experiences to an herbal-induced hallucination.  APs without the additive effects appear to me to be more controlling - they respond to my will. I guess an hallucination is more like an observer going along for the ride. You aren't in conrol.
- i don't know if i was in control...because i didn't tried to control lol

4) Did you feel your upper astral body move through your physical form? If so, what sensation did you feel?
I felt that. But how to describe it ?!
   - Remember what its like when you've reclined in a hot tube/bathtub. Your arms are underwater for 30+ min then you slowly allow them to rise up through the water and when the skin on your arm come in contact with cool external air, it has an immediate sensation - a tingling feeling, as though the electrons in the air are exploding on the surface of your skin.  Well, thats what its like for me when I exit. I feel the astral body rise up, sometime upper body first, sometimes, feet and legs first - as it rises through the physical, I feel the electrons in the air, from dust, etc. come into contact with the astral energy, resulting in a tingling sensation.
-see what you mean ! I looked exactly like that !
 
5) What did the person at your feet look like? Male, Female.
hm, i felt it was a male person
   - The person at your feet is interesting. There are spirit guides around us all the time.  Maybe it was a guide.  If so, ask them questions, push them for answers.  Show them you are lucid and want to establish a relation. They can give you a lot of information - I'm told.
-I felt that the most "proeminen" person was the old woman behind me, i elt it was the "spirit" of Salvia Divinorum
6) What was he/she doing?
i really don't know
  - Was she looking at you? Reading your journal? Tying your shoes laces in knots? Was she/he on the same wave/frequency as you? I was on the same "frequency", but i'm not exactly sure of what was doing this person, he was touching my feet, that is all i'm sure

7) Did he/she know you were observing him/her?
Yes, nobody tried to hide, on the contrary
  -  Why didn't you press for an introduction?
- not enough time and i was too AMAZED !!! hehe

Do you recommend others try this stuff it?
No, because nobody knows how you can react with Salvia Divinorum
  - I've never done it.
  - I do think about it.
  - Did you have a hang-over?
- i was a little letargic during 3-5 minutes after, but that's all, i could start making dinner after that...my state returned 100% normal very quickly

Sorry for all the questions.
- your welcome. [|)]

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as for now, i was so tired when i went to bed that my practice was a little...well in most of the cases i felt asleep []

but i must say that visualise is now my favorite way to fall in trance and obtain visuals. I do it in the metro ...nobody cares here in Tokyo, because everybody sleeps in the train haha[]

"Wright your experiences"...i like this sentence ! Wright is a member of Pink Floyd lol...the good word is "write", but i do maybe more mistakes than you so don't worry [|)]

quote:Originally posted by Saints

Interesting post. I have some questions about your experience:
1) Did you get sick to your stomach (nausea)?
Not at all
2) Did you think it was mostly an hallucination or was it more AP?
for the "mexican landscape and peoples" i don't know, but the rest was obviously an AP
3) Can you contrast/compare an AP with a hallucination?
Good question ! I think yes...but how to be sure [|)]
4) Did you feel your upper astral body move through your physical form? If so, what sensation did you feel?
I felt that. But how to describe it ?!
5) What did the person at your feet look like? Male, Female.
hm, i felt it was a male person
6) What was he/she doing?
i really don't know
7) Did he/she know you were observing him/her?
Yes, nobody tried to hide, on the contrary
Do you recommend others try this stuff it?
No, because nobody knows how you can react with Salvia Divinorum
9) Do you think its addicting?
Absolutely NOT ADDICTIVE[|)]
10)Is it a hallucinagenic drug?
YES !!!
The great value of the experience was that i could experiment the projection's feelings , so i know personnaly that Astral Projection is real...so i don't have doubts in my practice

Sorry for all the questions.

Thanks

whoaps ! Sorry ! I didn't saw it ! Stupid me and my "search button atrophy" [B)]

quote:Originally posted by liz mccal

Hello,

but i have never seen any one say "I am right" probably because they dont want to be proven wrong.  

No, wait ! We have one ! We have our "inquisitor", a weird one but member of our familly, though []

quote:Originally posted by curiousgirl
[brso i hope you won't depend too much on 'shrooms for that, la foret mauve

As i said, it's for years i didn't ate any...once the path is shown, it's up to us to walk on ! []
You indeed are a curious girl [] thanks for the input [|)]

Allanon, can you tell us your story ? Maybe that could help us to understand you more ...?

Please consider that all those bad things that have been said about Jesus are reactions of wich YOU are totally responsible now.

Hell is made with good intentions

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quote:Originally posted by curiousgirl
[brwe're satan's servants in disguise as human beings.  [:O][][)][][][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]  mwahahahaha[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][8D]

shhhhtt ! It was a secret ! [}:)]

Satanicely your

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by the way, it's a good idea to put it as a wall paper on your computer screen...a lot of you are spending so much time on the computer that it will helps you a lot to visualise Api !

i tried hundred of times (ok i may exagerate a bit) to AP using Marijuana or Haschich without sucess...
But i wasn't aware of the phasing techniques...so maybe it could works with the phasing, but the "traditional" way to obe or ap doesn't suit in my opinion with the high. I say that it could go with the phasing because of the wonderful ability to provoke the closed eye imagery. It's for a long time i didn't used it though...and now i can obtain the imagery at will, so...hmm

just start any spiritual path will do it...but at the time you'll reach this ability, your focus will not be on this anymore []
but hey, if it is what puts you in a spiritualy developping way...so be it ! I'm pretty sure that there is no way to reach this "move so fast that eye can't see thing" quickly...
hehe good luck, i'm sure you're going to find a lot of other interesting goals here

that's because the image you uploaded didn't fit the conditions for avatars...i bet it was the size of the pic...
TRy to reduce the size and try again, generally the moderator don't wait too long to let it go...
oops i forgot what siz it was requested to be...

innit !

Nope, sorry...
In Tokyo there are a lot of interesting famous musical events though...thank you for the suggestion [|)]

Allanon is not serious, he just needs go visit a good psychiatrist...
I will ignore his posts for now, i have enough of this and he made me loose enough of my time...
Bye bye satanic preacher []

Question: how can we say that something is unalterable ?
Please answer and don't hide behind your JESUS-LORD-TRUTH-MUST-SATAN and all this nonsense preaching...
You are puting(sadly) a shame on the christians that use to post here...

thank you all

and yes Beavis, i love you too [] (yay ! Finally ! I found someone with the same interests !!! [][][] joking)

hehe ! Finaly a good example ! It was pretty clear in my mind but when it comes to explain it becomes complex []

yes, because it is pretty annoying...

Please take some vaccations, you could go to travel for example...

...why not to visit a satanic cultured country ? []

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

a 7 gram hit and tell me about your New Age paradigms then.

I could return the offer [] it seems that you need a good talking with mother nature.

Beavis:
well, in fact i think you misunderstood a little about the differences between the mushroom experience and the "church experience". When eating the mushroom, you experience a total shifting of the reality where anything can happen (OBE, travel to another worlds, revelations, visions, philosophical insights, rebirth and even curative "bad trips" if you have a problem that you didn't wanted to face). It can be compared to astral travel in the way that it is a "direct" meating and discovery of infinite and divine, even if you didn't wanted to. I never had such profound experiences in a Church, in a church, wich is totally man made. Psychedelics are a gift from the nature.
I want to add some precisions before the flamming to start [|)]...
It is now for 6 years that i didn't ate any mushroom, but the experience is alive within me. I ate it for the first time when i was ignorant and looking for "fun"...then i was confronted to the spirit that is residing behind the psilocybin. He (she ? Them ?) forced me to die, see all the elements, people that composed my life, realising the essence of what we call "our life" and then to be born again. That was totally unexpected from me and it change definitively my way to consider things...
Sometimes, i recall in me the experience, to "refresh" my mind because we tend to forget the teachings, and i am gratefull for the mushroom for the light it gives me everyday with those past experiences. It is not necessary to eat mushrooms regulary, it is just the kick in the arse for the beginning of the path. That is, if i can say, my way of "praying", to remember "physically" the moments of infinity and being one with the universe. You see, i don't go on my knees and don't burn incense, singing before an altar with dried mushrooms and shroom idol[]

It was a complex post []

In fact, as for me, i think that this complexity problem is due to the fact that we always try to put words, to "logicaly" explain the illogical and unexplainable. The nature of reality is too infinite for our cognition system what we feel the urge to protect ourselve with logical thinking. A necessary reflex to avoid madness or chaos in ourserlve and in our society but it leads us to complexity...just my two cents []

Hope that wasn't too confuse[)]