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Sounds like an interesting read. So much to read so little time. All about learning.

Why do some think exploring consciousness is dangerous. LIFE IS "exploring consciousness". Either internally or externally it's all exploration. Unfortunately some of the exploration is over covered ground but with imagination it can become new once again and undiscovered lessons can form.

Sounds good to me.

I find that when I lose sense of my eyes I am near to projection time. If you are sensing your eyes the "third eye" is not primed.

Like you and others have said, don't think about your eyes. Focus initially on the relaxation of your entire body, lastly the head face and eyes. They may cross or roll up but if you are maintaining awareness of this then it may be you are still trying (perhaps unconsciously) to use your "physical" vision. Maybe try to "not see". Get deeper into the mind.

Good luck with it. 

Amazing, this discussion of "paralysis" continues. In what literature and where is there any statement that paralysis is a normal state PRIOR to projection. Are we saying "body asleep" is "paralysis"?

I mean this seriously cuz I don't get this conversation at all. All we are talking about is a "trance" state. That is what a trance state is, "mind awake-body asleep". Why can' we just say "trance state" instead of "mind awake-body asleep" or "paralysis". All we gotta do is FOCUS on the MIND and NOT FOCUS on the BODY.

Imagine telling someone who has never projected, never read of it, "yeah, dude, first you gotta get yourself paralyzed". I mean cummon. There is better lingo than that. "SLEEP paralysis" IS a term which is applicable but it describes something totally different, a whole different "biological" process. Yes you can project from "sleep paralysis" but the fact that you are even aware of sleep paralysis in the first place is because your brain has been in a dream state, usually REM, and you have awakened to that paralysis. It is NOT a required step prior to projection. This is not opinion. I believe this to be fact.

Notice I did not use the word "weird" anywhere in my post. Ooops I guess I did after all. 

Hahaha !!! The answers on this forum are like coming from a sick mind, you ll never get any answers here, someone tells you something and then someone else tells you something else exactly like when you listen to the mind ... For the people full of fear i say forums are dangerous !!!

Uhhh, duh, yeah, whatever. I get what your saying, NOT. Sorry but your post is not helpful in the least so what are you complaining about?

I gets a little preachy when I'm up all night. 

I agree with AstralBeginnings.

You described this well. I would say you were OBEing just fine. Of the odd things you noticed such as the taped paper on the door or the person dribbling the basketball, could you verify them as real? Really doesn't matter either way but with the odd fluctuations that do occur some validation can be nice.

Good job!

Yeah I'm not trying to knock Gnosticism. I have read many books from that train of thought. I perused that website a while ago and felt the vibe to be a little strange. Anyone who makes things sound so easy is selling snake oil. But like I said, the philosophy and practices should be very sound. I have a copy of the Nag Hammadi and read it many years ago. Thick stuff but then so is the Zohar.

I don't want to steer anyone away from anything. We all got a right to our beliefs. I believe advertisement should not be included in posts because it delegitimizes what can be accomplished HERE.

Enjoy the day!

I have felt the negativity is due, in large part, to the huge numbers of people awaiting enlightenment. As an example - mainstream Christianity has for many, many years been reinforcing the idea that someday Jesus will come and days of earthly torment will be over. In the good ol' USA there is a whole BELT of people waiting. You see this anger and frustration everyday, especially in the News Media. I think people are disappointed that the "Apocalypse" hasn't come to save their self-righteous days. Hell, theres Islamists who only have to blow themselves up to get to "Heaven". I really think most mainstream organized religions see that as their only answer - Blow Up The World. Yeah, that'll do it.

I'm not anti-religion. I just don't care though. I got nothing against organized religions as long as they leave me the hell alone. I do think it is those fundamentalists and evangelists who fuel alot of that negativity. Hypocrits. Self-righteous. "Everyone else can go to hell as long I get to Heaven".

Problem is I see too many people wanting someone else to enlighten them. "When the student is ready the Master will come" - not if you don't work your butt off yourself first!

Stay positive is right! Smile at everyone! Lend a helping hand and expect nothing in return! Contribute to the positive vibe. There is nothing that CAN bring you down if you don't let it.

And now that you feel positive go project your astral self!

Just tossing this out. The original poster sounded like he had a dissociative episode, derealization.

Don't be "not here". Wherever you go, there you are. You will never be a "figment".

Alot of talk about fear goin on.

"All our times have come,
Here, but now there, gone,
Seasons don't fear the Reaper,
Nor do the Wind, the Sun or the Rain
(we can be like they are)" - BOC

joe1000 -

LOL

Esoteric spam, AND - "not for profit". Don't drink their kool-aid.

Im sure its a great site and all but is spamming really necessary? Really, "joe1000", your post had some effort put into it. Why blow it with SPAM. Oh, I know, it shows you really care. Do you know how many websites tout the same thing only under different names?

I like to spam links to free online books if it is on topic but....

liveandlove - There really stands a better chance of on topic "training" right through this site here and the readings recommended by other posters, unless, of course, you are specifically interested in the "Gnostic Movement". If thats the case then - ENJOY!

I'm sorry to butt in but...

Are you sure she's not just teasing you, you know, like a jealousy game? Cuz, in all my years I have never heard of someone religiously practicing "astral sex". Just sayin', that really is kinda weird.

Arkwinds post was interesting...

Is this bothering you just cuz of the "cheating" aspect or is this because she is now too distracted to show you the attention you desire? If so, sounds like a hot rock needs to drop. If I sought out "astral sex" as she apparently does, I would have no reason to tell my significant other. Why would I? I would just enjoy the best of both worlds and keep my mouth shut. Who would know?

Lots and lots of fish in the sea (I love saying that).

I had to chime in.

I would prefer cremation rather than burial.

Happy to hear you are feeling better. Mood shifts like that can be scary, sneak up on you without warning.

Take care

Phasing IS a meditation. 

Three sides of one coin. 

Someone needs a hug and I think it is me, after reading that.

Multiple Gods exist. There is only ONE creator. That creator loves you and all of its creations. It loves us because its creations are itself.

The Creator is not suicidal.

Your language use is sufficient. Kinda like a young Eliphas Levi. I prefer Regardie for florid metaphysical speak. The poetry of Rumi is much more enjoyable though.

Sounds like you're frustrated with your pursuits.

Good luck with it. Sounds like we'll ALL need it.

Existentialism does not necessarily cause depression. Usually it is just "depression". And I don't mean "just" depression. There are many things that can make you feel that way. Personally I would seek counseling. It would be a great place for someone your age to start because it could give you tools to use down the line. Feel like this once and it will most likely happen again. Of most concern would be thoughts to end your life. That is a severe warning sign. Advocate for yourself and seek help. I don't necessarily believe in antidepressants as far as medications but that is just me. There are many things though that you can do for yourself to help, one of which is get out of bed.

Journal. Exercise. Talk with friends. Post here. Listen to uplifting music. Get the heck out of your home and get into the outdoors. Sit by a quiet stream and listen to the birds sing. Cut down on school if you can. Make realistic plans for your summer. Pray to that God that doesn't exist. Take walks. Write down the things you love about yourself , friends and family. Exercise the positive attributes you know you have. Discover who your support system is and let them know how you feel. You are never really alone although it may feel at times that you are. The symptoms you describe are related to your biological "brain", you know, neurotransmitters and stuff like that. With increased positive stimulation your brain will respond positively. I don't think OBE or AP is a great thing to do when depressed. You could try some intensive meditative practice and biofeedback to exercise your mind and strengthen your imagination and will so that when you are ready you will be ahead of the game.

There is no such thing as nonexistence, it is not allowed. Since you are existent you might as well get used to enjoying it. Depression is difficult but not unbeatable. You sound like a spiritual person despite skepticism so try to understand why that is. Sometimes there are no answers so don't exhaust yourself looking for one. Breathe deeply. Crying can help.

Good luck. Take care. Exercise smiling muscles.

Eddie Murphy?

Dimensional mathematics models and there goes the karma? Ewwwww. "Studying" and "working" math? Ewwwww.

It's simple to me: our "true" selves exist outside of space and time, as time and space are for physical existence. Parts of our "true" self incarnate into space and time. But from the perspective of who/what we really are, there is no time and space so it can't take place sequentially. Everything is always happening and never happening at the same time.

But from our perspective within space and time, it has to happen sequentially. That's our perception of it from here, and our perception here is limited.

This was similar to what I was going to post but was beat to it. The finished product is in its creation. We are ALL the "Alpha and Omega". We are also all that comes in-between. If we were really "done" there would be no purpose. The "All" is never done. That would be purposeless and boring. Christian dogma. You can choose to see it as sequential or not. I do. My past and future lives complete me but I'm not done yet. There is an infinitesimal amount of "me" to go before I am ONE. Opinion of one individual will not work here. Opinion of FIFTY won't work either. There is too much history and knowledge which states to the contrary and it should not be ignored or discounted. Read up if you do not understand. I brought this up in a post some time ago. Read on the Ouroboros legend. This does not come from the speculation or experience of one individual.

Sorry but reincarnation and its implications are far too important to ignore. There are repercussions of ignoring this lesson - Karma.

But do you agree that, although imperfect, it can help us better communicate our views with one another and hence, better share our experiences and deepen our understanding of it?

Now we are getting to the point of agreement. I have been researching through all of the old material I read over twenty years ago. It is amazing to see the correspondence between the "occult" and recently expressed knowledge. It is the same. I always knew and believed my past education but the years put it in doubt. I will be posting some links and whatnot to help create terminology suitable for learning. I will not do this alone for sure because constructive criticism will keep it real for sure. Any others who participate will become teachers as well. That's what were here for right? Or are some here to tout there superiority? I don't think so. I feel there is a talented team here who cares about this art.
http://thesilvercord.com/hu/books/astralworld.html?
http://thesilvercord.com/hu/books/ophiel.html?
Amazing I could find these online. Some of my early 1970's reading. Don't get lost in the "occult" feel. That is a mistake. Many of the masters you meet in the astral have gone before and learned to practice in secret. The rules have changed. The world can change. It must or the conspiracy theories that permeate some of the other forums will come to fruition simply through the energy put into them. I will post more links if anyone is interested. I have read these last to front to back. I create the time. I will begin some Rosicrucian reading soon and reread Monroe, etc. 

Practice everyday and enjoy!

Several of the AP books I have have a glossary of terms. I have Astral Dynamics here in front of me and there are 16 pages worth just in this book alone.
It might take a little work but I would be willing to help out if I could.

Thanks

Naykid-

I wonder if there is some genetic propensity for projection. I talk with many people who not only never experienced anything like projection but don't even remember their dreams.

The opportunity for our children to have that expanded awareness is awesome with possibilities. I like to hope that mankind will see through its foibles and become more enlightened through the ages. Our children are the nest step toward that goal for sure.

Great to hear from you. You must have a very nice family.

Hey folks this guy was aiming this particular conversation at himself, me. I don't doubt for a minute anyone conversing in these forums is not using the best terms they have on hand. I am regularly finding that I can just as easily confuse myself with what I have to say. Heck, I'll just start keeping notes. I wasn't looking to start any trouble here or hijack another thread. I respect you all for your opinions and efforts to help those in need.

liveandlove - "I must admit in fact, that I often find words to be a bit an obstacle to communication as far as spirituality goes.  I'm not sure words can even describe the magnitude of spiritual experiences I've had.  I guess this is why words are, a lot of time, used as an analogy and not in their strict sense."     

That was exactly my point, not a criticism of your post, please understand that. I too want to understand what is being said and how to better communicate it myself. Your post was excellent and started a nice thread, I think anyway.

So - density=dimension=realm=focus=?

Inclusive AND descriptive. I think it increases the legitimacy of what is said here. I find many of the posts to be spot on. I think many have done their respective research. WE HERE need a common language. Something that solidifies the experience rather than leaving something in question. There is nothing worse than a perceived newbie with multiple projections who does not participate because he/she does not understand the terminology. This is not science class. This is not chemistry or philosophy. It is a growing trend of spiritualism. Growing for many hundreds of years. The culmination of our modern efforts should respect those who went before. We build upon an existing structure. We are not recreating something new. Anyone who argues with this point will have to come to scrutiny. There should only be learning here or it will fail.

Yes or No?