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lay down, fall asleep completely without any lucidity and I'm back up in 4-6 hours =(

What time are you practicing? It sounds like at bedtime.

Everyone is different of course but it sounds like you are just starting out so I personally would start by, 1. Cut yourself a break. Don't be so hard on yourself. It can take time. 2. Don't start with a more advanced practice. I would say jumping into a direct OBE method at bedtime is, as a beginner, setting yourself up for failure (I don't want to say impossible as everyone is different but that's a mountain). At bedtime you are highly prone to falling asleep as you've conditioned yourself to do that for the last however many years. Also a direct OBE method can be tricky to achieve without lots of practice. Once you have some experiences under your belt it becomes easier so why not try a simpler indirect approach first? William Buhlman the noted OBE expert spent years practicing through an indirect method first. No shame in it. He only later did a direct method when he was more experienced. It sounds like you are going for gold straight away.

My most successful method is still indirect with results of about 85%. Who cares how you get out? It about the what comes after anyway. My personal approach if I was beginning again would be, do lots of reading around the subject. Mental saturation can be OBE inducing in itself. The only caveat I would add is take what you read with a pinch of salt. Other peoples experiences are not your benchmark. Do your practice at 5am. Listen to some binaural beats (I recommend hemi-sync as the beats are multi-layered). Don't plan to get to any specific state of awareness. Just try to stay awake for now and let the beats change your brainwaves in the background (when I listen at this time I don't notice much of a change). After about 40 mins of listening I stop and simply go to sleep with the intent of having an OBE and invariably I'm brought back to consciousness by an exit symptom and I'm out (that's the hemi-sync having a delayed effect). It can be that simple. Of course, like I mentioned, everyone is different and no one method works for everyone and you need to tweak to your individual needs. Sometimes you may just fall asleep so in that case before I start my practice at 5am I read for 10 minutes on an appropriate subject. If I find I'm too wired during the practice to get sufficiently relaxed then maybe next day I read for 5 minutes prior to the practice rather than 10. You need to find your center.

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Hey,

I haven't been on the forum for a long time. Life gets in the way I suppose.

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Monroe was doing work on more than just a.p. If you can download some of the old mp3s off torrent sites it only cost some time.

Please do not encourage such practices. The Monroe Institute is really not the big company people think they are. They are a small organization struggling to get by doing good work in the are of consciousness. Have some respect and pay for their products if you want them. While the Gateway Experience may seem expensive there are plenty of cheaper products they offer for download on their website.

Hemi sync works as mentioned above but it is separated from other binaural beat products in one major way. In the early days of it's development Bob Monroe discovered that beaming someone with a low theta signal that borders the sleep delta range would just make people sleep. So they found that a combination of frequencies blended produced better results. So something like focus 10 will have a mix of theta, delta and beta in there to produce a more effective result. But it's not just a random mix. They spent years honing this blend

TMI now offer an online Gateway Experience course with a personal tutor who is a seasoned residential trainer to guide you through it. Could always try that

I get pain in my upper leg a lot when I lie down to meditate. Mine seems different to yours and perhaps has a different source. All down the right side if my right thigh it starts off with a numbness. And I mean a physical numbness and not a trance state numbness. I can touch it and it feels numb (for upto an hour after getting up). With the numbness is a tickling feeling which ultimately turns into sharp stinging pains. Sometimes I have to fold my legs up and it slowly abates.

I personally think mine is energy related. Perhaps trying to make it's way through a blockage.


You could try actively engaging the pain during meditation. Perhaps it is telling you something. Maybe in something like focus 10-12 you could ask a question about it and wait for an answer. I remember skip Atwater at TMI used to be a monitor for people doing booth sessions and they may suddenly get a pain in a part of their body and he would say invite the energy in and ask it it's purpose. Maybe your resistance to it is prolonging it. Perhaps inviting the pain in would help. Of course if it's just physical pain this may not help but worth thinking about

Did Fred used to be a member here? I know he has a good OBE book available. I'm assuming he has ties with TMI as I've seen that book in their bookstore.

As I understand it it is simply the amount of energy you use to break foods down which inhibits your energy work progress. So as Robert Bruce discusses raising kundalini he advises maybe a three day fast so you can dedicate as much energy as possible to the act of raising kundalini itself. For this particular practice fasting is also advised because your system will go into fight/flight response and purge itself. Not good with a full meal inside you. Things get messy quickly

You could try a half way house go on raw food for a while. I think the logic is that ordinarily your stomach uses up energy to create enzymes to breakdown your food but because raw food already contains lots of enzymes then your stomach has to do a lot less work thus saving your energies. When you heat food over a certain temperature you kill all the enzymes

Around certain people I intuit are not good people I get a dizzying feeling akin to being in a lift suddenly moving up or down. That internal fuzziness in your brain that almost unbalances you

This was shot in my CHEC unit looking up at the ceiling. The light source is just the phone flash but I keep adjusting light levels by putting my finger over the flash to spread the light. In the video description I point out that my initial thoughts were dust but a few things changed my mind. Szaxx, you are right in that there are lots of peculiar movements and I do recommend rewatching at half speed. There are 90 and 360 degree turns. At around 1minute in it all goes crazy with them popping into shot then ducking out then suddenly they all bomb into shot. Very unusual behavior.

Further, I did dust tests by patting the bedding and it didn't have much effect. But also I filmed this in the middle of the night. Most dust should have settled by then and this unit is confined. I have tried repeating the process at home. My room is very dusty and I don't get anything

Definitely not bugs as I checked multiple times with the light on. Sleeping with that many bugs in a confined space is something I would notice.

Here's what I filmed in my CHEC unit after a week spent in focus 49 at TMI. I'm still undecided so you be the judge. I've discounted bugs so maybe dust? But for me some of the movements have intelligence...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIvd5EoOn4

I've done a number of TMI programs, including Lifeline, and your experience resonates strongly. It seems to me that you had guidance right there with you whether it was visible or not given the nature of the way everything fell neatly into place and suddenly you were docking - which evidently was focus 27. The hospital and the park being the big giveaway.

I would say in future ones (which tend to be harder as guidance gives you more of a challenge), you can always mentally ask guidance what to do and they will assist in some way. It's clear they took you up to 27 in this one. It might be worth trying to start off in focus 27 as well when you intend to do a retrieval. That way when you make the trip to 23 you know how it feels making it easier to move back to. 27 without guidance. If you do decide to start in 27 it's also good to have an anchor point. At lifeline you are encouraged to create a special place so when in 23 you can easily bring people back up by thinking of your special place( I have a jetty on a small lake in a forest). Also, I think starting in 27 you are more like to visually have a guide with you (rather than invisible in the background) because 27 is a gathering point of such individuals.

If I am trying for the more traditional OBE this is the method I use as well. I listen to a focus 12 exercise for about forty minutes but stop it before it brings you back down to C1 then turn on my side and just go to sleep. I reckon about 80% of the time now I have an OBE like this. Obviously it has taken some time to get the percentage higher but your subconscious mind gets used to the process and it wakes you for the good stuff more regularly. I think these are beta and gamma spikes that bring your awareness back which is why hemi-sync is better for this because it mixes beta in with he lower theta and delta it uses .

I used to think this method was a cop out as well because you don't feel like you're initiating it yourself but but can't argue with the stats. And don't forget leading OBE expert William buhlman used this method for years.

No worries, my friend. I did say maybe I'm wrong in my assumption of your words. We can only all speak of our own experiences. And ultimately the only person we need to convince is ourselves. You don't need to justify yourself. I know who you are 

I think the problem with this whole topic of discussing consciousness exploration in forums is we are all battling to make the subjective objective as peoples unique experiences create divergent paradigms. And I don't think any two will be the same.

I kind of disagree with you guys. Personally, I feel that judging an experience based on the five senses is very much a physical world hang up. I've had some of my most meaningful experiences which were purely emotionally and mentally based.

I know it's not exactly what you guys said. You talk about whether it's astral projection rather than an important experience but I get the impression you're devaluing your lucid dreams. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you get nothing out of your lucid dreams but isn't that mindset a guarantee you never will?

Binaural beats don't work in the gamma range and above. The maximum BB frequency your brain can perceive is 30 Hz. Isochronic tones are more suitable for the gamma range. Forget about epsilon. Also here is a good link showing all frequencies and their properties:

http://www.lunarsight.com/freq.htm

We've kind of touched on that already. I do like your link.

Jeronimmo,

Go with Xanths train of thought. Everyone experiences focus levels in a unique way. Some feel very little difference between ten and twelve. Perhaps just trust you are in twelve and go with it. May be the fact that you are analysing whether you are 'there yet' is hindering the process. Too much left brain.

You could look in Argentina to see if there any outreach TMI trainers that offer courses. I know there is definitely one in Brasil but probably in Argentina too.

Don't worry. That link has been kicking round forums for years.

Yeah TMI can seem expensive but they don't make a whole lot from it in reality.

My recommendation will inevitably be biased towards hemi-sync but just shop around and see what works best for you. If you have the first 3 waves I would stick with that personally...but that's just one mans opinion

Thanks Lazuma for the info. I will try some of the links you suggest. I think I tried ISO tones in their early incarnation when they weren't particularly refined and so sounded more like horror film ambience.

Jeronimmo, I can offer you some info on hemi-sync binaural beats as that is what I teach. Binaural beats work by offering your brain two frequencies in either ear (each slightly different) and your brain works to create a third tone which is the difference between the two. This third tone is the binaural beat or sometimes known as the frequency following response. They entrain the brain by synchronising the two hemispheres creating whole brain cognition. This in itself can improve learning and concentration. But secondly it targets specific brainwave frequencies for things like meditation, sleep, concentration etc. Beta down to delta.

Unfortunately binaural beats don't reach gamma frequencies  because your brain can't create frequency over 30hz from two tones. If a binaural beat claims it can reach the heady heights of gamma or epsilon then they're lying. I think iso tones can. I definitely know SAM tones (spatial angle modulation) tones can reach gamma because that utilises an arc of sound around the skull. Your brain isn't made to work to create an extra tone.

Not long ago I did a SAM program at TMI which was very good. They are very powerful signals and non intrusive.

I would be wary of binaural beats that rely on a single frequency as well because they are not hugely effective. What I have noticed is a lot of people have hooked onto the magic 3.8hz as the key frequency for an OBE and just pipe you with that single frequency. This is inefficient because 3.8hz is bordering on the sleep state so invariably you just fall asleep. Hemi-sync uses a blend of frequencies. So maybe mainly theta as a baseline to take you down but with some beta in there to keep you alert enough to not drift off and also some delta. TMI discovered this approach was much better way back in the 70s.

In regard to your focus 12 questions - Maybe you are jumping ahead if you are feeling it goes too quickly. Perhaps spend more time feeling your way around focus 10. Personally I wouldn't use the links on that site. It's copyright infringement for one. Secondly, I wouldn't trust the quality as it splices the original. Just buy wave 1 of gateway if you can afford it.

I dislike iso tones. What better way to relax than to the sound of a commuter train passing?

Or maybe that was just the ones I listened to..

I think perhaps you are expecting this exercise to do more than it should for you in terms of feedback. As I recall Bruce refers to the placing of intent as a specific area of consciousness that you get to by doing this exercise. I don't think that necessarily means it comes with strong symptoms when you are there. I sense that you are expecting some big kinaesthetic reaction to denote you made it. For me it was a very subtle thing. I go to move my finger but don't and there is almost a residual sense that your energy finger moved a split second later. That's it for me. I trust I am there without analysing it and then just place my intent and move on to the next prep process.

I think you're over complicating things. Let's not forget Bruce's approach to non physical exploration starts out in a very subtle manner (you imagine. No heavy symptoms or sensations there so why should there be for the act of placing intent?).

Am I gonna be the first one to make the obvious joke that you should always use protection in the bedroom?

But on the the actual topic - do any of you protect yourselves when you go to sleep at night. Probably not. And as it effectively constitutes the same thing then why would you when you project? I think maybe your beliefs are affecting you there

I suppose I see where the confusion arises because if you look at the Pulse forum description for Astral Consciousness it lists phasing alongside meditation and OBEs implying it's an alternative method rather than an umbrella term for them all

Perhaps it would help to see where the term phasing came from on the Pulse. As I understand it Bob Monroe coined the term at TMI and Frank Kepple who used hemi-sync cottoned on to the term in the early 2000s on the Pulse.

At TMI we teach a model of phasing levels of consciousness. At one end of the spectrum is C1 waking consciousness and at the other is being fully in spirit after you graduate from this earth life system. In between are all manner of states of awareness including day dreaming, light meditation, coma, deep meditation, mystical experiences etc... Thy all come under the bracket of phasing. So even if you are at work thinking about what you want for dinner tonight you are slightly out of phase with the physical. A very small part of you is not in the present andwith your dinner instead, as it were. With meditation and other practises you are just moving further and further out of phase with the physical. OBEs are very much out of phase because you generally have little to no awareness of the physical.

So I think the definition may have changed a little on the pulse based on Frank Kepples approach but at its core it remains the same

So you are saying the more relaxed you are the more anxious you become? Has this only come about since doing this kind of work?

Sounds like somewhere along the line your mental process got screwed up and you are overthinking things. Is your mindset one of if I move a muscle I will ruin it all?

Depending what your goals are for using the gateway series you are permitted to move a bit. The focus levels are not that fragile ( I guess this all depends on how much you need to thrash).

Quick question - does this also happen when you just try to go to sleep? If not what do you think makes it different?