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There are probably mystics living in the backwoods of the mountains in China where they still use abacuses (abaci?)

My dad had a prof in college that actually did have a "sliderule in his head" (those were is exact words). He could picture a sliderule exactly enough that he could move the slide back and forth to multiply numbers out and see what the logs were so that he didn't need to use a real sliderule.

Yeah, sentential said he discovered his as a kid and it was a command line.

I've seen a blue screen like that, I think you can manipulate it. For instance a lot of times in OBEs I get a "control panel" that shows up on it, I can press buttons on it to teleport around. You might try using your imagination to write into the screen and see what you get.

Unfortunately I don't really know how to get the screen at will and if you have ideas on that I would definitely like to hear them.

That sounds like memory impressions, when you get to actual imagery you're seeing the images as they come. Once you get a memory impression hold the idea of it in your mind and wait for more. Doing that over and over will incrementally focus your mind into the area of consciousness that they come from. Eventually they'll become actual images, then become vivid, then become animated, then you can phase into them.

lol, sen []

Bruce Moen says that he can, his books are pretty convincing.

Here's a list of this stuff he's written:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Moen%2C%252520Bruce/104-2104024-6427928

SalTheBard,

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my hands and feet have gone numb.  They feel tingly like they are falling asleep. I can't move my fingers or sometimes if I try hard I can move them some. A few days ago I was relaxed, I couldn't move my hands or feet

It could be one of two things. It could be that you're cutting off circulation to parts of your physical body, if that's the case you should find a different position to lay in so that you get blood flow everywhere evenly. You can cause permanent damage if you cut off circulation for too long.

On the other hand, it could also be that you're getting to the beginning stages of sleep paralysis, in which case you're making good progress. It sounds like you're at the 'Heavy Feeling' on the chart, although when you say you're getting a tingly sensation that sounds more like poor circulation than paralysis.

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then my vision kind of dimmed and I saw what looked like a tunnel that all sorts of different colored lights, the best way to describe it is if you watch Star Trek when the Enterprise jumps to Warp speed, thats what it looked like.

That sounds like you're on a roll. I've never had a tunnel type OBE but from what I've read it's related to a 3rd eye type of projection somehow. Robert Bruce writes about it, so does Stuart Wilde:

http://www.stuartwilde.com/morph/sw_morph_tube.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&q=site%3Astuartwilde.com+tube&btnG=Search

Usually the way it works for me is I get imagery which becomes progressively more and more vivid until I can either step into the imagery or I shift my focus back to my body and gravity-press myself out.

Here is a page I've started on that: http://www.tunedmind.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTopic.jsp?t=watching-impressions&x=1256

I'm not done writing about how I actually use the images to exit the body but it's essentuially like how I describe above.

quote: Also when you do Project would there ever be a danger of your projection not being able to return to your physical body?

I can't say there's zero risk but I bet you're taking a bigger risk leaving your house and crossing the street to do your everyday stuff than you are leaving your body to go exploring the universe.

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Also how fast do you move when you are projecting? Would it be possible for me to go from Colorado to say California in one night or are there still movment laws that govern you?

You can teleport by willing yourself to be where ever you want, so speed isn't an issue. It's really a matter of having enough awareness of the place you want to go and doesn't have much to do with distance.

I'd like to know more about the specifics of how you're getting a tube type OBE, such as:

What time of day did you do it?

How sleepy were you?

What visualizations or conceptualizations did you use?

I'm doing an RV experiment here as well: http://www.tunedmind.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTopic.jsp?t=25&x=176

I'm glad to help if I can, also those charts are mainly based on my experiences only so if you have suggestions how to make them more accurate I would definitely like to hear about it.

Thanks! [8D]

Burningriver and wookiee,
It's good to hear that you found this to be useful! It's not easy to say exactly what to do next but the way I usually do it is to watch the visual impressions I start to get and then phase into an OBE.

I wrote a post on what happens as you go deeper and deeper while watching the visual impression here:

http://www.tunedmind.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTopic.jsp?t=watching-impressions&x=345

Once you get to the point where you're in vivid animated impressions you can simple step into them, which is called phasing. You can also focus on the astral version of your body and then roll out to have a traditional type OBE but that's a bit trickier and more prone to failure because if you accidentally focus on your physical body you'll wake up.

It sounds a lot like the cords that Bruce Moen talks about in:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1571742034/qid=1092058427/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/104-2104024-6427928?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Dream Cadet,
Being meticulous is very important, it's also true that it gets easier as you go. At first it's like there's a tiny crack that you have to carefully insert your crowbar into, but once you have a big enough hole you can break out the sledgehammer and knock out bigger and bigger parts.

I've found that the vibes have started to come when I'm laying there but not intending to have them. Monroe and Robert Bruce write about OBEs they've had at night that they couldn't avoid. Once you've tuned yourself to stay conscious while going to sleep, the vibes come much easier and you can start dropping the use to crutches.

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In the morning when I am practicing your methods, I go from hypnagogic imagery to a dream sequence. It is of a computer screen in which words are being written. I start trying to read the words. They keep changing. After a few seconds, I lose the dream. I realize early on that I have passed into a dream but I can't cultivate it into anything. If I try to change anything, I change focus and exit the sequence.

Do you have any suggestions for being able to turn this into a full blown LD or OBE?

It sounds like you're on the verge of phasing. What you should be trying to do is go to sleep, wait for the alarm to wake you up, and do not move. At that point the feeling in your body will be a lot like when you watch your body fall asleep as in this:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13608

The goal is to have the alarm to send you straight into mind awake body asleep. The alarm will feel like it shocks you a little bit but as long as you don't let it force your to react by moving in any way you'll be in focus 10 automatically.

If you have that feeling, then you will be phased into an OBE within 30 seconds. Start into your visualization and intend to phase into your visualization. If you are visualizing the computer screen you talked about then that's what you'll phase into.

The imagery will become more and more vivid, and eventually it will become all that you perceive and you'll have phased.

If on the other hand you don't do a visualization when the alarm goes off but instead you place keep your awareness on your body and relax then you'll be able to get up out of your body when you separate.

Either way, you should try the "Who am I?/I am Dream Cadet." statement over and over that I mentioned in my earlier post. That will help you to keep your self-identity so that you get an OBE and not a dream.


upstream,

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For getting success with CC's "twin method" you have to reattach your dream body to your etheric double.

What's the difference between a dream body and an etheric double, I thought they're the same thing?

Also, can you give a link to the twin method?

BFO=body fake out

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Hey Cube,

I tried this method again this morning, I had some really cool dreams, 1 lucid but no OBE. I tried your HTML timer but I don't get any sound.

Any suggestions?

Happy Travels,

D.C.

Please tell me what web browser and operating system you're using so I can figure out why the timer doesn't work for you.

Without knowing exactly what you're doing I don't know what to suggest but I can mention again some of the things that work well for me. First of all don't move at all while you're trying to project, not even your eyes. Secondly conceptualize yourself walking around your house as you fall asleep, that will make you phase into an OBE rather than project.

That's easier to do because there are more things you can watch for such as extra hypnagogic imagery and so forth. Trying to project out of body has is more subtle so it's possible that you could project and not know it, so it's a little bit trickier.

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Cube I wanted to mention this, in case you forgot. Did you add my suggestion about running modified aura types? I know it helped a great deal for you. Eventhough its an advanced method, and possibly dangerous. It would help those looking for more consistency.

Speaking of which, has this helped with you at all? LOB might be interested, however have someone like myself or SD help guide the process, you know what Im talking bout

I haven't added your method about aura manipulation because I haven't tested it well enough to explain it to people. I have been practicing with it a lot, I usually gather my aura into a thick disk on my back and then bring it up through my chest and let it well over like a fountain. It's quite an odd sensation.

I find it's really easy to separate my feet and legs, it's harder to separate by hands and arms. However I've never been able to separate my aura from my head. I suspect if I can separate my head I'll project, so I think it's just a matter of practice.

I hadn't been trying for OBEs lately because I was getting my sleep schedule so I would wake up at 6. I woke up pretty early today so I decided to try again. I intended to do body fake out but wound up doing rapid fire phasing. It seems once you know how to phase it's a lot easier than BFO even though BFO is initially easier. I had about 6-8 short OBEs in about 2 hours.

8/8/04
up 5:35
decided that I would add a 20 minute interval to the start in order to relax first
set timer for 20, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 doing BFO
got up after about 5 mins and had a protein shake
couldn't sleep when first beep went off
was too hungry to sleep, not very tired, got up at 5:55 to wait to get tired
ate 3 bananas, corn
yawned at 6:50 so I went back to bed
set again for 20, 5, 10...

got comfortable, alarm too loud on 20, turned down a bit, again too loud on 5, turned down a bit
didn't get to sleep until I think the 15 min interval
when it went off for the start of the 20 min interval woke me up, I didn't move and relaxed to go back to sleep
I got pretty strong vibes almost immediately
I didn't have paralysis so I didn't try deep breaths.
The vibes weren't strong enough to convince me I had separated so instead of focusing on the force of gravity to press me out of my body I began trying a new self-awareness preservation trick, I repeatedly asked myself "Who am I?" and then replied "I am cube" over and over the whole OBE. (I used my real name, not cube)
Surprisingly when I first asked it I had a strong urge to say I was something else, but I overcame it and said my name.
I relaxed with the vibes saying who I was over and over in order to maintain focus and also not lose my awareness to a dream personality until I felt the vibe go away and when I tried to open my eyes a little I found I had OBE blindness to a degree, so I knew I had separated.

My sight quickly improved and my first OBE was the most vivid, I got up and flew out through the window hoping to have an RTZ exploration where I got more than 20 feet from my apartment. Flying through the window seemed to result in a reality shift because I wound up flying around in basically an enormous building that was at least the size of my town. There were beautifully constructed rooms with very unusual architecture and people going about their business, there seemed to be lots of sunlight coming in everywhere making it all very bright and colorful. The rooms were enormous, each one the size of city block. I kept trying to find the way to the outside, there were gigantic windows in each of the room that would go into yet another room.

I found I was back in bed with vibes, so I did the same relax+"I am cube" exit method. I got up with slightly less clarity of sight. I found that I couldn't fly through the window because it was solid this time, for whatever reason. Instead I walked over to go out my front door, I found that the layout of my apartment was a little different and sort of in the style of the buildings I mentioned.  I tried upstreams "lay down in the position (but not necessarily the location) of your body" trick in order to try to make the OBE last longer. I lay there for maybe 15 seconds and I don't know if that was long enough. I walked around for a short time and then found I was back in my body.

I had a series of about 4 or 5 more OBEs like this, each one a little less clear than the last I think, until I eventually lost my self-identity and therefore went into a vivid dream.

I remember in a few of the OBEs I was unsure if it was really an OBE because it felt so real, it was easy to imagine that I was walking around like I was awake.

In one of the OBESs I did find a trick for gaining sight. All I did was use my hands to pry my eyes open and suddenly I could see perfectly! I think this works well because you're being very clear about what you want to have happen. It's like using a pair of scissors to open a dream paper package rather than trying to imagine it opening by itself. Just imagining it opening on its own is not very effective because you don't have much real-life experience with packages opening by themselves and so it's hard to be clear about what you're intending to happen. However if you imagine an invisible pair of scissors cutting the paper, then you're using well-defined life experience to be very clear about the result you desire.

So, if you use your hands to open your eyes up it should work pretty well to gain sight. To be clear about it, you might want to practice, while awake, reaching up and opening your closed eyes with your hands so you are sure to be clear about what you're doing when in the dream/OBE.


Got up at about 8:55. All of those OBEs/dreams actually took place in about 20 physical minutes I think, and felt like they lasted 2-3 hours in dream time, with the final vivid dream taking up most of that, about an hour of time.


Interesting update:
I mentioned that in the second OBE the layout of my apartment was different. One if the things I remember was odd was that in my living room, one of the corners was not just a normal 90 angle of two walls. Instead the two walls were joined by a short diagonal wall with a door in the middle.

I found that strange because usually the changes in an OBE are mostly cosmetic such as things being bigger or lit in a different way. Major functional changes like that are rare.

However I just noticed that I have a half-length mirror propped up in that corner in a diagonal across the two walls. So it looks like the mirror has made a door in the RTZ! Next time I'll see what's behind that door...

Based on what upstream is saying, it sounds like itching is just a physical thing as opposed to mental or etheric, so that would mean that physical solutions like simple skin lotion before hand would help.

If someone could try that and post back with whether it helps with the itching it would be very informative.

[LOB]

LOB,
Here's something I'm working on tuning up in order to practice falling asleep more consistently before actually trying the BFO method:

morning 1

wake up half hour early

observe your body position

observe body relaxation level

stay still and fall asleep again, watching yourself

morning 2

wake up 45 minutes early

observe your body position

observe body relaxation level

stay still and fall asleep again, watching yourself

morning 3

wake up 60 minutes early

observe your body position

observe body relaxation level

set timer to wake up after 30 minutes

stay still and fall asleep again, watching yourself

morning 4

wake up 90 minutes early

observe your body position

observe body relaxation level

set timer to wake up after 30 minutes

set timer to wake up after 30 minutes

stay still and fall asleep again, watching yourself

I haven't started practicing this yet because I'm gradually working my sleep schedule back to wake up at 6:00 because I think it may also be easier to fall asleep again when the sun isn't up. It might actually be somewhat unhealthy to fall asleep again a lot during daylight.

What do you think about that? If you try this sleep training thing please let me know how it goes.



Sentential,
I agree to an extent but I also think that we will eventually get past having to beg karma to project with consistency.


Orcher,
Yes, you're correct about sleeping. In this method the OBEs happen when you actually are asleep in the middle of the intervals. This is different from Rapid Fire Phasing where you phase into an OBE within 30 seconds of the timer going off. Please keep us posted on your progress!

[Hannah b]

Hannah b,
I'm not sure what causes the itching, it could be purely physical such as dust or dryness. I found that using a room air filter helps to cut down on the dust that falls on you while you're laying there and therefore you get less itches, but I have never really had it all over. I suppose the other things would be to use a humidifier and skin lotion.


mactombs,
Following the illogical thought pattern is one way into sleep but it's not the only way. You can also phase directly into a LD and never become incoherent, some people can OBE while they are fully conscious and aware of their physical surroundings at the same time.

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Do you try to observe this train of thought neutrally? Once you get to this state, sleep is near, so if you can take note of being in the illogical train, maybe there is something you can do to take advantage of it?

Yes, if this is the way that you enter dreams then you should watch very carefully what happens as you go down. However keep in mind that you don't *have* to become illogical because when you're familiar with the states you pass through you'll be able to skip over them.


Orygbus,
Those are good points, I'll edit the post to mention those. If you have more ideas please post them!


19,
Welcome to Astral Pulse, it will be interesting to hear how things develop as you make more progress.

1.) Type 1 into the "Interval 1:" field

2.) Hit Start Alarm.

3.) The "Timer Stopped" message should change to "Timer Started    0:01" and begin counting up

4.) When it gets to 1:00 it should beep.

If that doesn't work please tell me what step number it fails on, and also what web browser are you using?



Edit: I just tested the timer and it didn't work for me either! I am somewhat mystified because it was working last time I checked it. Anyway I went in and changed some stuff and now it works, so I uploaded it again to astral pulse. Please download the new version and let me know if it's ok for you. Sorry for the confusion... [xx(]

Maybe you could try drinking something sugary or cafinated like a coke?

I get really vivid imagery using a timer to make me hover between sleep and wakefulness, like this: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13576

The most unusual screen I've had was one that was bright blue like a Windows NT BSOD or a TV diagnostic screen. I haven't been able to reproduce it to see what it's all about but I've read that it's a 'clairvoyant screen', I have a feeling it's the basic template that other imagery is built on top of.

For instance, in many lucid dreams I've had access to a 'control panel' type of interface where I could bring it up and point to places on a map on the panel and I'd teleport there. I think the blue screen is used to create the control panel.

I agree with Beavis, but the point of do a video is not really to convince people of anything since even if it's covered it could still be rigged. It's more to show and give an idea of the technique used.

For instance, last night I was playing around with a pinwheel and I found that if I reversed my hands so my fingers were all pointing in the same spiral, I could get the wheel to spin really really fast.

But, that doesn't even convince me I'm doing anything because I keep thinking I'm somehow setting up air currents with my hands. It doesn't act like it's an air current but it just seems too easy for it to really be TK.

It seems to be an all or nothing thing for me, either it spins and spins or I can't get it to do anything.

Try teleporting somewhere like the Bahamas and watch the babes walking around in bikinis.

Also, try shining a flashlight light on a picture then when you project, walk into it and into that picture's reality. Robert Bruce calls this a Virtual Reality projection.

There are plenty of things you can do beyond standard issue flying and spying.

Pretty cool! You should make a video of it and upload it to the site.

I've done a lot of etheric separation meditations practicing mainly on my left arm, and moving energy through my legs. The other day I woke up and my legs were separated and so was my left arm but my torso, head and right arm were totally stuck.

I reached over with my left arm and tried to wrench my right arm free, it could feel that it was there with my left hand but it was stuck like concrete. I eventually gave up and woke up.

But it goes to show that it is quite possible to develop parts of your awareness asymmetrically so maybe doing NEW on both of your hands or practice moving energy between your hands through your fingers might even things out.

Yeah it seems like the biggest problem with this method is actually getting back to sleep once you wake up, but it also seems like once people go to sleep they do have some kind of experience.

I've been looking for ways to ensure that you can fall asleep again, if anyone has ideas please post them.