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hah your a genius, I love your thoughts, I want you to go deeper in your thoguhts, ill bring questions to you.   you answer them with your 'thoughts'. nice to meet you.

Yes, I failed to forget to say that while I was saying I was going to heal him, People were yelling at me commanding me to stop be because this girl has claimed she wanted the demon in her.  hmmm what is it that you can do in this situation then?

Can one vanquish a demon thats possessing a person by the host's permission?  

What happens if you try?

What is it you can do?

Demons, entities ect, cannot harm you if you do not except there existence can they?  But in this case I am, but refuse to be harmed by anything negative.

Does throwing positive energy harm him only? or vanquish him?

Okay, I think I might have been to the askashic Records once, and Witnessed(SP?) a time of when I was 7, I stepped on some glass.  It was playing on this touch screen computer, there were tons of them.

Now I wandered this too about going into others records, But I dont think your allowed too, because there were beings there that would help you, and I'd think it'd be a privacy thing.  But she is in trouble, so maybe theyd allow entrance to her records, I'll meditate on this..

You are right, I do still think for myself.  There are some things on zetatalk, that are could have questions to them, but its the percentage of what I believe that gets me

[How does a demon poessess someone?]

- How does a demon poessess someone?

- and how do you know that it is a demon? what precautions do you take to know this as a fact.

- MustardSeed, what is it that you can say about vanquishing a demon?  Like what requirements are needed in order to vanquish a demon or vanquish a demon thats attached on to someone?  Is it possible for them to actually speak through them like channeling? lol sorry, soo many questions. anyone answer! important. lol

SmilelySpirit might be able to help throw in some words, she knows who this is.  there is this girl which I know on msn messanger, vaguely. She is into energy practices ect all this spiritual practice probably. I start meeting these other people that she talks to often and I find out that she is possessed by a demon . People are hating on me because of my dis- beliefs and disgust with everyone defending a demon war theory, talking up a demon like I am scared.  I was also threatened that they'd summon this demon, lance.

These people have so much trust in this demon that nothing can stop him, defeat him, or come close to his 'power'. they call him their Friend. Well, 3 blind threats later, I saw this girl online, ask who this was, and she/he went I am ... Demon something.

I challenged him, He attacked after awhile. attacking him did absolutely nothing, guessing he was liking the aggressive energy I was putting into it.  Then I threatened to heal him, and he got reel ticked, worried and scared, and pleaded, even said the girl didnt want him to leave.  Smilely might be able to explain more.

O Yes, Anyone who wants the Screen Name for this person on MSN, feel free to get ahold of Me. I think this demon should be our first test subject of the month. []

mine is Kerrblur(aikido999@hotmail.com)

Hey,

I dont have a credit Card to order this stuff online, so i was wandering if you know of any place you could buy the Binaural Beat CD's?

[EOL007]

Awesome ideas, EOL007, that is a awesome way of explaining things! thats exactly what I am kinda saying on the thread about a 'Demon War'. Well I hope I am understanding you right.

Moonburn33- you were reading my mind []  I was thinking that same idea, but does it vanquish the demon, with the persistent healing, and positive energy giving? or does it just keep the demon away from you?

What if you are trying to vanquish a demon that was possessing someone else? lets say you use positive energy like healing on the demon thats possessing that person, can you (anyone answer me if you wanna) vanquish him with out harming the person like smilelyspirit thinks?

Maybe Sentential can explain more on his concept, cause it kinda involves this.

[Aileron]

Believing in this war helps the process of the awakening? what are you talking about Aileron.  Okay, believing a war with f*cking demons period is something out of this world, LOL wait i shouldnt be saying that lol.  Its UNHEARD OF.

read about creative energies, if ANYTHING AT ALL, you Aileron would be one of the many other groupies that warship demons cause your all up on there nuts all the time, telling people how there going to rise and kill us.

And I never said people werent going to die in the coming years, I was saying people who 'cannot' except the change will die.  There (in my oppion) will be two different kinds of people dieing.
One - Man who fights, fears, Kills, Hates, refuses change . . .

One example would be this, when this excrement happens, LETS says this theory RIGHT here, this thread, this demon s**t, gets spread ALL alround the world, and so theres a bunch of NAZI-like groupies running around the world creating havok when they see these 'races' from higher densities, like you for example cause you like to hate, you like to defend something that shouldnt be here, its the demon inside you for example.  someone else can keep explaining this.

two - Now, these are the people who may know about the change or may not, but when this change starts to hit our heads, The worlds going to have one big giant HeadAche!!!  There will be lots of people that die just from the earthchanges, like the poleshift , then these people who cannot handle the shifts that are happening in there minds, and some will die there. and dont forget people dieing cause of the Nazi-going Devil Prancers that love to do anything but what is right.  With these people dying, and
(I believe you dont have to mr. Aileron)
Depending on there current actions on that life, and if they were caring for other people, or more like a person who thinks for themselves.  If they were good hearted, they were persumed to reincarnate on the new born earth, to help start the new human race

The others, the ones like you(just a example!) who talked and defneded this war, and the demon inside you, got you soo worked up, you tried fighting what was right, therefore, when you all are gone, you reincarnation is placed at a different location other than earth in my beliefs.

Adam, Nancy is a Very Very intelligent person.

Adam,

   I am really glad I have turned your thoughts around, I can feel your thoughts are heading towards the right direction.  Listen to the words you said right, and you can tell that by just that little amount of sh*t that you said, means your guides are helping you consdier other things.

  Trust me when I say okay, that once you start researching the other aspects of coming events, You will feel more comfortable with it, you wont fear it, and you will lol start to understand my side of things when I talk about great changes that are going to happen to us; Not this manipulating information to 'sway' you from the good.

 Follow your intution on this, it may take a couple of months but it will come to you.  With me, I would read some information about something, and not hear/read anything else for along time, then I stumbled upon //www.zetatalk.com.  After this, it naturally just came to me, lol almost like a paper that said, 'life's answers' just landed on my hand.

 Just ask your guides for the answers
they will hear it, and will send it to you at the proper times.

Adrian,

I am glad to give my current 311 posts to yea! glad to contribute!

[Edited - hung over]

Edited - hung over
Non of them are directed towards you, they are directed towards the concept of this theory, which You are right, I cannot say I am right and Did i ever say My way is right? directly word for word?, but I can speak my oppinion on something that has caught my attention.  something that right now in this world with crucial(SP?) times, doesnt need to be spread to people.

  I am well taught in the practice of creative energies, now im not gonna go into that, in another thread perhaps. even trying to put yourself in a position to think about something soo bad, such hate, and violence around us is totally faithless thinking and you wanna talk about something like that knowing what creative energies are will bring people This much closer ---- to making it true. Defending it, I cant believe your sitting here right now trying to.  

Now, I do not want you guys telling me that, 'i am trying to say Im right', My argument with this, is the fact of people 'choosing' to believe such a terrible event.  

Think 3 dimentional about what your defending.

in fact alot of people are going to die in the coming years, I'm probably going to die too, lots of things are going to happen, but for the GOOD.  and at this time of age with whats going on in the world, right now, we want peace, but noone honoestly thinks it but they want it. but dont initiate it.

So you think spreading the news about a demon war is going to help towards the process  of the awakening? Then following the transformation shift to the other density?  people who think this excrement, dont think about love, peace, faith, god.  Specially God, if you do, he dont want you too, unles you drop this horrifick idea, cause your TALKING about a demon war for God's sake.

    okay, im talking bull crap right now, I'm hung over, and i feel like a hammer is pounding my head, but Im not talking crap about something i dont know about, I read quite alot about this topic, and I also say, and constantly preach if you would spend the time to get to know me first before accusing me, I always preach how noone needs to prove themselves right.  

And I showed you this now.  The demon war is believable, but only if you want it.

thank you Wronski Feint

i see your new to this site, but you can actually think for yourself.

I'll tell you what my guides tell me, they tell me theres going to be death, but there isnt going to be demons, the demons are ourselves, like yourself who can sit there and believe demons arew gonna run down the football field with there axes of fire to kill us.  You're going to be one of thoughs people who are isnt going to accept what God, and his higher beings, and beings of a higher density sent here to aid us in this change thats going to happen.  its been talked about even in the bible. God forbid i cannot say this without quoting it but I will ina couple minutes, i will find it.

You people who say this s**t are the ones who will create havok and ultimately loose, cause nothing will stop this Great happening.  Theres going tobe alot of people who dont even know, but cant handle the change thats going to be taking effect to there minds, and they die.  but depending on what kind of person they are, depends on there reincarnation back to this world, or sent to another for a life with the other Service-to-Self species.

So, stick with your demon beliefs, but i earge you to go outside and see some light in your eyes for once.

Good deal Patrik! I'll meet with yea too sometime, I wish to see this guy. . . okay, have a good day.

*looks over shoulder looking for hate fans* []

you'll be a master of it.  just read every damn book you can ever get your hands on.  Ask questions, but dont forget to problem solve yourself , improves alot of areas in your brain, specially formulated in acheiving OBE's.

Keep a journal, write why you couldn project, it might be hundreds months and at time of no projecting, you might have spontaneous ones and it'll boost your confidence  keep your journals updated, write how you messed up, and keep a area of possible solution, "Possible Solution" doing this will make you a problem solving genius! and alot more. (hint) a Soul Traveling Master! hah

Gato, thats great your reading that book, make it the highest priority in your book reading.  That book changed my life.  what you were talking about were common sensations in the process of acheiving a obe(at least I have to be in a paralysed state).
its a common distraction that everyone deals with and passes.

Listen to my theory, and anyone can argue with me, but I'm sticking to my theories. . . I will soon learn to control myself on both planes, the physical and then the RTZ . .  both of us very conscious and awakened.   Now once I learn how to control both of these, and im saying, control as in, I will be able to teach myself to switch between states instantly just with a thought.  See right now, I can litterally see my pyhsical self and my etheric double in the RTZ in one field of vision.  I know if I can learn to switch consciousness rather seeing both at once and causing some kind of terrible effects on my mind, with the theories bruce states,  I'll learn how to switch my consciousness at will like i said above, and eventually control more than 2.

 From there, I will push myself into harder areas, more of me at once I should say everywhere.

for free lol

Been trying to quit.

wow majour ka,

    Tell me this, lets compare notes here lol. cause I was JUST THINking about this, lol destiny that my eyes landed on your thread.
The last couple months, I cant control it quite yet, I been steadily trying to understand though.

What happens to me is, just like what you do with your eyes opened, and then the tunnel vision starts, then the buzzing and stuff right, well, see I have done this on maybe 10 different occasions early in the morning hours like 6 am or 7 am, before I had to get up at 10 am to work or something.

I would wake up, sit there and watch television with absolutely no thoughts in my head, eyes just open lol you know wut i mean.
Then i get all them sensations as if i'm having a obe, and like I said, i cant control it, sometimes I can let myself loose and I go, and another time i cannot because of the possible information robert explained in his book about being conscious while having a OBE.  

When this freak event happens, do you also see litterally with both your physical eyes AND through your astral vision?  Im saying you see at a unexplainable way of vision where you can see yourself in the astral and also see yourself sitting down on that lazyboy chair!
this is why i never created a thread and asked this, dont know wut to say for words.

Okay im blahing on, lol n/m i was just gonna ask if you knew how to control it.
but more info from someone would be awesome, someone that knows wuts going on here lol

[Lance]

I am going to continue to stay out of this, havnt followed  a single dam thing, not one reply, just my base knowledge on this information and the creator of this crap. but I can make some good educated guess's.

heres my views on this BS.

Its a one sided view on a crystal ball showing unlimited views on things, and the discussion itsself, i apologize if its been discussed which im sure it has, the demons are us humans, were the demons, were gonna (IF YOU ALLOW IT TOO) destroy ourselves.

If you know anything about creative energies, youll think 3-dimentional or even 4? lol

Im sticking with my zeta guides on this one, not a person that is trying to get a uprising of believers in some kind of demon cult war.
you know creative energies, youll create it, we dont need a civil war.
People use your own intuition on this bs.  I know some particular people who are into this that I talk too, and there energies are blackened by there newfound beliefs, I cant even speak with them nomore, and I've been threatened already by these fools, lol hah even threatened by a evil demon apparently named Lance.  You get no good believing this. no good at all, i see no love in this.

Just hope for the 4th density transformation and love, there will be no demons. only the people who will fight it the change to come like the creator of this site and more, the demon inside them,the people in the (future) demon uprising club that has been increasing more and more freightfully(SP?), and I know who I will blame and point.

[Hannah b]

Patrik and others -

     Okay I was away for one day and i get alot of people mad at me.  I mis-interpretted what I ment here and thank you patrik for backing me up while i wasnt here checking up lol.  Okay  I am sorry about the cat thing, but I wasnt being mean directly to you Hannah b, i was just in one of them 6 am morning moods trying to explain something real quick and not thinking first.  The statement I said was a universal rule of thumb that I believe is, your enviroment is what you make of it, and onlyy you can change it.  If you are seeing negative entities, which ALOT of people do, and I did too for awhile, still do, (ironicly lol patrik, after my hitchhiker exp. things settled down, this is a good experience for you, makes you strong!)
Because I was attracting them, with my ultra violet fear lotion(UVFL) hah!. lol and this brings me to my point that I've been stateing all along and alot of you are aggreeing with me and understanding something not many people bring up, you see by patriks experiences hes stateing here, love, positive WILL ALWAYS beet anything bad.  no if's ands or buts! and i mean no offense if i state something rudely or incorrectly.  If I do just say something Ill apologize.  

clandestino, thank you alot for coming to this thread and posting that, because you dont know how much a differance it makes having 2 separate people share two of the same kinds of information.
I see it clearly with patrik trying to hug the most intelligent low level entity there is. lol never tried that patrik, thats good one, your gonna get rid of him quicker than I thought.  

If what you say is correct, he ran from you, that quick.  You out smarted him with showing emotions, but who in there right mind ever tried hugging him? haha noone but you, it was new to him, wow, this is where you win, you get rid of this guy, you will see alot less negative entities i promise you this.  Your enviroment is what you make of it

 Anyway I'll end this reply with my sorries lol, and I do aggree with you jilola sorry if i said something stupid. and anyone else, dam, didnt know i ticked all you off God.

Nay, Robert Bruce is the main reason why I dedicate my life to soul traveling or the other levels OBE and AP.  I am getting paid nickles and dimes trying to teach others at the eckankar center here in michugan.  Sorry I didnt explain myself better, but I hope my egos good [].

okay, this is ridiculous, for the people who have no idea who or what a hitcherhiker is, dont throw out your theories lol here i go.

Patrik -
Yes, now if you keep doing things the way i do, it will Ease the fear that you have of him away, it just takes time, just like before you could project, you had major distractions, but after a week or so, that one distraction went away, and you got alittle further, this is the same situation, now in the astral dynamics book, he claims that you have to ignore him, well bruce was right on ONE part, but i personally dont think he had experienced one before, now, when you ignore him, you can ignore him but still have fear, now THE ONLY way to get rid of the fear to properly ignore him, (then he leaves lol) is to complements him, make him real mad, and ask him to leave, be nice to him always, no matter wut he does, lol try to start a fricken conversation with him or something, ask him if the pistons won lol.

Next person...

Nitetraveler - Your one fricken genius.
Hannah b -
Listen omg, what do you know about hitchhikers, and what does your experiences with fear of cats have to do with this crazy somewhat intelligant entity hooked on this guys back have to do with anything at all?!  i read that crazy post bout cats, wtf, i love cats, and you guys got to know that there isnt just negative entities all arouind the astral, it isnt some kind of hell!  read up on eckankar or something, read about being adventurous, and not soo scared of everything.  Theres good spirits, and even neutral ones!  not always bad! the only reason PEOPLE IN GENERAL see negative entities is because there minds have this FEAR this natural fear of something if they havnt been there before, seen it, heard it.  you know where im getting at, so basicly, you create the fear (AKA CATS) and the entities coming running for yea cause your fresh meat.

There is nothing positive in being scared, throwing crazy theories about cats and stuff killing you.

lol  
kung fu

Patrik,

    You need ot listen to me closely.  The actions you took were perfect, absolutely perfect, now did you notice when he was getting mad when you were complementing him, that he was trying to tactics to try to scare you, he hasnt ever dragged me, but that might be because of when he had me, i posed a new tyactic on him, that he hadlearned and knows your trying to do it, THEREFORE he is coming up with his new scare tactic to try to show you nothing works.  Theres no damn feedback loop happening.  The cat most likely might be a cat that is attracted to your effectionate(SP?) energy.  Now you need to confront this man everytime and dont have any thoughts about fear, or anything cause like i said there masters of studying the mind.  

 He is dragging you to try to scare you, trying to show you he is powerful, but you cannot attack him, you must reealize this (which i know its easier to think it now than when your in the astral) that he is a big joke!! he is dragging you because he can read your thoughts and feed form your fear.

There is absulutely nothing he can do to hurt you, but you cannot fight him.  use your intuition on this one, you know im right, theres nothing else you can do but do what I said, even by what you had described to me about your experience,

__________________________________________________________________________
I tried to sound amused, he said "I am gonna hurt you!" and I responded "haha you do that!". After that he began sinking down through the floor, having me in his arms... I saw some room below... I began trying to invoke a master... kept saying it over and over again... But for some reason, one or two words each time became "silent", like I temporarily lost my voice._____________________________________________________________________________

Listen, he is getting worried, but, he won this battle, lol im serious if you wish for me to meet with you i will, ill meet with you at a set time, you message me on AIM or MSN messanger (aikido999@hotmail.com)  Ill find you in the astral and help, if you see me, thatll give you the courage to be nice to the f*ck.

Thewre the most intelligant entities, thats why there so rare, and most likely noone here has had these people on them but you and me.
You are doing good, just need to do it more, and instead of doing lightning bolts on him, Send him positive energy!!!! like when you heal someone, you laugh while doing it.

Hello,

    Listen these entities are very intelligent, there masters of psychology.  The only way of getting rid of them is to do reverse psychology on them.  You must learn how to not fear them but instead, think of them as a f*cking joke.

Cause thats all they are to me now, there a joke, in fact if I had one of them on me again I'd start laughing and throw them b*tches  into my psi balls.

But serious, if you cant do this, you wont be rid of them, my philosophy(SP?) on it all is, negative cant live if theres a positive, (DUH!)

ok, lol i havnt ever woke up in a panic except when i was a small kid.

But When you cease to fight, you cease to feed them the energy they long to cling on to you for.  Anything negative, they want!
I ceased to fight, and i gave the man positive energy, and i reverse the whole purpose that he was clinged to me for.

Hello,

    I got one thing to say about this, your theories are awesome, and the post is not too long, because it shows you give details in your concerns.  But I will tell you this, I had the same problem with the hitchhiker entity.  Every time I would project, I would have this nasty old man, (in my case he was older than mid 40's) clinged on my back, just hugging me, like he didnt wanna let go.  I'm not sure what things this man had said to you, you didnt go much into detail about this. This man that was hugged on to me would talk to me for what seemed like hours and hours, just talking in a non-threating way about how the astral is bad news for us humans.  He was almost like a salesman talking in your ear for non-stop amounts of time! he was very intelligent.  My hitchhiker would answer me, but would either be very vague or wouldnt answer the question, but talk literally all around it, just like government people do on the news.

 I will tell you this though, the hitchhiker guy that was on me for 6+ months would never let go, and I learned that the more I faught with the man, the more he clinged on and was always there. Here is what I did.  After he would start clinging on to me even when i was in my bed still, and just trying to sleep, just like your situation, I thought its enough, i had to find a solution,  I said to myself, fighting him, is making this man more and more eager to prevent me from projecting because at first, i would project, aND THEN he would be hugged on me, now he is holding meback from projecting period.

What you have to do is one of two things; ignore the SOB til he gets the point that you arnt no easy-to-sway human who can be scared. . . or complement the basterd who is hugged on to you, "you are a 'Good friend'."  like him alot! i am serious.  It worked for me, As soon as i started giving the guy complements and excrement, ignoring him, the F*ck never came back after awhile.  The hitchhiker would pout and moan and ask why im not talking or fighting, after awhile, he disappeared. and the 1 out of 200 people thing kinda of makes sense, theres very few of these guys, that hugg people, and MAYBE just maybe the one who is on you, was the one who was on me, and the 1 in 200 thing MAYBE means theres only one of these, because it takes along time to get rid of these basterds, once hes off someone, he takes his time finding the weakest person.

Well im not saying im weak, but it just took alittle longer to understand things.  but in the end, i was stronger. cause the hitchhiker is one of the strongest entities there is.

lol okay! i gotta do this, i have one picture and one picture only of me

and its me . . .  Naked
lemme find it, ill brb!