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excrement! It had to be in hebrew lol.

So anyways you just have to fill your ball with your feelings.

After you learn to create a strong ki ballyou can put in it some of your emotions and feeling which may affect your opponents.
You can try to make an ice ball or a fire ball by just thinking on the best source to take the energy from.
But actualy your question should be asked in "psychic self defence" there would be a lot of good answers over there.
Anyways you can decide which energy to use in your ball - positive or negative. That's your choice. If you want you energy to be good and positive you just have to visualize it as positive.
Hope I helped gever, it's good that there are still some good and smart ppl in our friggin'country.

So, you want to learn how to manipulate your ki and form a ball that can harm or heal people?

æä ÷ì! ëùàúä éåöø ëãåø ùì ÷é áéãééí ùìê ãáø øàùåï àúä öøéê ììîåã ìçæ÷ àåúå òã ùúäéä ìê áàîú îñä áéï äéãééí, àç"ë àúä éëåì ìäúçéì ìäëðéñ ìëãåø àú äøâùåú ùìê. àúä ÷åáò àí æàú úäéä àðøâéä òí îèòï ùìéìé àå òí îèòï çéåáé. îèòï çéåáé éëåì ìøôà åìòùåú ãáøéí èåáéí, îèòï ùìéìé ðåòã ìäú÷ôä åäâðä òöîéú åìà ÷ì ìùìåè áå.
çåõ îæä ùìëãåø ÷é àéï äøáä àô÷è ôéñé, äåà öøéê ìäéåú îàåã çæ÷ ëãé ì÷áì àô÷è ôéñé îñåééí àáì áøîú ëåç îñåéîú äåà äåôê ìàðøâéä àçøú ìâîøé - â'éðâ. î÷ååä ùòðéúé ìê.

Yes I know, and you are right... Now I remember!

I didn't see on my view angle! I saw myself.. so It was a dream after all.
But you remind me, yesterday night I had 2 lucid dreams

Any Ideas? ( -_-')

Talking about dreams, I dunno if it was: 1. an OBE, 2. a lucid dream, 3. a regular dream.

I just remember from this "dream" that I astral projected and I remember that I didn't see well in the beginning and later I could see much clear then in the Physical dimention with a strong discoloration and other colour frequency.
Any idea on what it was?

I heard of ppl making energy balls they call Genki Dahmas, they take it from Dragonball Z story and of course it's not really that.
They say that they create it from ki, jing and mana. Is mana different from ki? I heard it's unstable, what kind of energy is it?
And does it seem you logic to create a so strong ball??

quote:Originally posted by pilotbugs

I was wondering why those of you who can AP do AP?  And for those of you who can't yet (like me), why do you want to?  
 My sole reason for wanting to do it myslef is to have fun.  Be an astral otter as RB says.  The thought of flying and exploring is extremely fascinating to me.  
 Of course if along the way, any deeper meaning and purpose come from it, all the better.

The question is, why not to want to AP??? First you can see the closest dimention to your physical dimention, you can fly and have many special skills there, you can get to any place you want in any speed andexplore the whole univers in seconds! I like AP cuz I want to see other living forms and creatures that the majority of ppl don't believe or know about them that exist all in the Astral dimention.
It's a great experience! Why not to want? you are even not scared when you are there []

OK then let say you are not Master projections, how long does it take you guys to do all the process? and by that I mean: Entering a trance state, clearing the mind and getting out of the body, or any methodes that you guys are using.
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quote:Originally posted by EOL007

Hi Tom,

Appreciate I'm going off subject. Psychic lady partners (wonderful), only problems is they know what you are thinking, but on the other hand empathy can be bliss! Might be worth starting another thread on that perhaps?

Take care,

S


Hi Mistic-Idan,

What did you mean by 'Master projections' over and above your initial statement?

By Master projectors I meaned guys that have mastered Astral projection.

Wow 18 Messages in just one day at my topic! Cool!

It's 2 in the morning over here lol so...

Anyway I wish you all guys a lucid night and long OBE's... And we'll keep talking tomorrow.

Good night.

Do you mean that you didn't do it recently because you didn't try? or maybe it's too hard? too scary? or you try every day and train on it but you don't reach to do that?

[xx(] wow... sounds hard and short...

How much time do you think that Mr. Bruce can stay on OBE usualy?

And another question: Do you OBE everyday?

Oh so you say it's like if I want to get from my house to a friend's house 2 KM away from mine then I can get there easily and fastly?

Holy excrement!
That's too bad, I guess that you can't do plenty of things in that long time.

15 - 30 minutes?? well that's not so long after all in the physical dimention but does it really seem in the astral much longer than in the physical??
what is the reason of when you get out of projection by mistake?

Is it just by loosing concentration?

2 possibilities if you are interested about TK:
First I think you need to develop well your third eye (I did it first). the n you can try to visualize and will the object to move but with a real strong will power, that's the regular TK and you can also move objects by concntrating some of your energy in your hand formed in a ball shape (A ki ball) and try to use it on a light object to move it with the replusion of energy, you'll feel the energy pushing the object but it also takes time.

Have you ever heard of E=MC2???

YES it means that every energy can become mass when it's multiplied by itself in a certain speed, that is a good explanetion for ki using, ki CAN move physical objects because they are all built from energy too.
When you can blend your energy with the object's energy you can control it.
Why don't you try it yourself, train hard and see how you get results.
It sure is a hard technique to master but it's just because you have to use a part of your brain that you never used before and it means a really high concentration and will popwer mind.
So try working on it until you find the answer by yourself, if not so go to a psychic's school and see how they bend spoons that's pretty impressing.

I once tryed to fulfill my body with ki (It was my first time that I reached to do it), So I started to concentrate and visualize, so in the first time (that was a month ago) I grounded myself and it was a feeling of light tinglings  coming from my feet and then climbed a little higher. It wasn't a special feeling.
But yesterday I felt like I really can have a great amount of energy and I dunno how I made it to happen but I didn't feel just light tingleings but a great push of energy from outside like my aura is starting to compress itself and push on me. It was a great amound of ki and then with my will power I just casted it to everywere and I felt that if I was standing on sand then the sand could fly arround me while doing it, like it was a great amount of energy.
Any Idea on what it was? was it a ki flame or a ki shield maybe?

You probably saw it from "The teachings of ki" if I am right.

This ki dash is a really normal dash, actually anything on this site is really something. This Ki dash was probably a regular dash and the camera just changed quality and colour, but that's the camera fault.

Anyway of course a ki jump exists, anything can be done with ki so a ki jump should be just a higher or longer jump or at least with a little boost of energy.

It's ok, I used once this Psipog chat and it's a real boring excrement, anybody can help you there.
So thanks a lot Kakkarot!
If anybody has an idea or something nice to tell about he Ki exercises I'll be glad to see here a good post about it

Teleportatiob was proved in the scients too.

Albert Einstein's formula E = MC(2) means that any energy in square in a really fast speed can be converted to a mase and vice versa.

Teleportation is concentrating all your energy on your body in a strong way that it takes over your body and when you decide to teleport the energy to another place it would take your physical body too. At least that is what I think, I am not a great scientist but many ppl here may have better answers then mines.

By the way.

Kakkarot how did you find this chat seminar above? It was from Psipog right?
If yes do you know how can I take part of a seminar like this?

Ok it's great that you know a lot of jing.

You say that jing is compressed ki and I believe that it's the correct answer.

Do you know any good sites that talk about jing? (not the underground excrement and stuff!)

If you know any good sites with real info about ki and jing and not Kamehameha stuff so write.
Thanks.

Actually as I read Ki is the eternal energy and Jing is the eternal force.
When Ki is compressed and reaches a certain speed and power then it changes colour it gets visible, it gets stronger with a mase and a physical effect.
So Jing is not exactly Ki It's another kind of energy, it's like the difference between water and Ice.

Oh ok thanks.
By the way, do you know other good books for mastering AP??