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#101
Welcome to Astral Chat! / For women
May 28, 2004, 18:04:09
So Birm you don't mind fishing with an ancient Greek? [;)] I love fishing and know a few good spots around Sydney.

Kiauma, let me know if you two ever split up. [:P] [;)]

I like being a fisher of men...he,he,he,...I still remember my bible quotes, but I don't think JC meant it my way. [;)]



#102
Welcome to Astral Chat! / For women
May 28, 2004, 02:46:25
Sorry, Kiauma, just got a look at Birm.  I hear Nay is looking for romance though.

Ah, Birm, I don't mind toy boys, lets hope you don't! [;)]

I know, I know, women are so fickle, and in my case, I am really bored as well tonight.  [:o)]

#103
Welcome to Astral Chat! / For women
May 28, 2004, 02:36:27
Nay, ever seen fatal attraction?!!![:(!][xx(]  

I am glad you realised in time that Kiauma is mine! [:D]

Really, I am a very nice, quiet, gentle sort of gal.
#104
Welcome to Astral Chat! / For women
May 27, 2004, 21:36:48
Oh, Kiauma, where have you been all my life! He, he, he...[;)]

I am exactly what you have been looking for.

Drop me a line big boy!  Mumma's coming home![:P]

[:X]

Bet I scared you then!  He, he, he...[:D][;)]  Be afraid, very afraid...
#105
Welcome to Astral Chat! / For women
May 25, 2004, 18:22:15
I use to have a list of things I wanted in a male, you know, goodlooking, wealthy, intelligent.  Now I see them as bonuses because in my life experience, I have had crushes on incredibly overweight, ugly, uneducated and poor men, and several jerks inbetween.

Now the only list I have is that they have to be kind, happy, wise, honest, trustworthy, dependable and in love with me 100%.  A love of cleanliness and fishing/nature would be a big bonus. [;)]  

I would like to have the experience of waking up next to someone who I know will be waking up next to me for the rest of my life.  I don't have to guess if they will be there.  I want to know that when I am sick they will take care of things and me.  When I am scared they will be holding my hand and telling me that they know it will be okay.  I also want to have someone where when things go wrong in their life they will let me in so I can take care of them.

Whenever I imagine what it would be like, I see myself sitting next to my partner enjoying a campfire, or in our backyard, or sailing.  Its all simple images but they mean a lot to me.  Its how I would like to spend the rest of my life, gently, quietly, harmoniously and in love.

Now I just got to find the little rascal! [:P]
#106
I hope this is a joke because if it isn't what you are asking for is dangerous, not only for yourself but also for those who participate.  What you are asking for is equivalent to taking over someone elses karma or accepting curses.  You may not experience them but it doesn't mean they are not active.  Someone who sends you these things may in the end get a nasty payback.  If you curse someone, you may harm someone but there is always a price to pay.  It is like making deals with the devil.  You may get what you want but there will be a price for that.  You may not be getting effected by it but have you thought about what it means to the person who is sending you these negative energies, if there will be a price for them to pay.

I hear what you are saying, that you are able to convert that energy into things you want, but how is this different from masochism?  You can also take positive energy and create wonderful things with that, so why choose negative energy?  I question your thinking and motives.  Also, if you are able to do this, what do you convert the energy to and why should anyone trust that what you convert it to will be of benefit to the world?  How do we know that you are not taking this energy and using it to evil purposes?

Just wondering, is this some joke.
#107
My two cents...

I think that spirit is drawn to the physical and the physical is drawn to the spirit.  I am reminded of statements like, "and the Word became flesh"  and something about being created in the image of the Creator.  I think that the physical world allows us to experience things in a more solid way, it allows as to form and confirm our thoughts and identity, to make our souls more whole or real.  I am reminded also of how we sometimes meet someone who appears to be an old soul.  They are people whom in we recognise the experiences of many life-times.  I think of saints and people like Ghandi, Jesus, Mohammad, etc, in those terms.  They are souls who have lived several life-times, experienced much and each time gave more depth, more meaning, more realness to their soul.  John Edwards sometimes when reading people will say that he knows the soul coming through is a child because they don't come with a lot of life-force/experience with them.  So living on the physical plane adds to us.

When we are on the physical plane, however, we are aware of the spirit plane, well, those of us who can still remember some of it.  We yearn for it but still have things to accomplish here, so we stay.  However, we become attracted to all things spiritual.  We search for people who remind us of all things spiritual.  However, we are not making that search in a spiritual world we are making it in a physical world.  This means that in order to connect with other spirits on this plane we do so by physical closeness.  This may mean just having friendly chats or it can mean sexual closeness.

Okay, the last point here however is this.  Human beings are all primed and ready to go sexually.  Our sexual bodies don't care whether it is with a male or female or object, etc.  Our minds do but our bodies don't.  Therefore, every contact with another person is going to exert a sexual component.  The difference is the mind.  We choose not to interact with someone who is not appropriate for us, no matter how much our souls are attracted to them.

I have had that experience with three males in my life.  Each of them very spiritual, the first a poet, the second a priest and the third an academic who would have denied being a spiritual person since he bordered on being an atheist.  I recognised their spiritual connection to me but for various reasons we were not about to have a physical relationship.  I don't hear from them anymore but I know they are out there doing their thing and I am doing mine and we will eventually meet up somewhere.

I think in Buddhism they talk of a final reincarnation, please correct me if you know.  I think the idea is that we go in these cycles until we become enlightened at which point we stop coming back.  I think that enlightenment then is when we become so fluid in the spiritual and physical world that we move through each easily and conscious, in the same way that two separate ingredients come together to develop a new thing/identity.

My brain hurts.[;)]  It was more than two cents, I think.
#108
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Satan decieves you
May 10, 2004, 18:17:54
I would like to raise the issue of blanket statements.  This person has not said that they are Christian.  In all likelihood they probably are but the immediate reaction here is to attack Christianity as if it is opposed to many of the ideas of this site.

I consider myself to be a Christian but there is nothing here that does not fit in with my concept of what Christ was or what he advocated.  To me many of the arguments between human beings and religions have to do with the 'fight or flight' response.  We rarely act but always seem to react, we react out of fear or anger.  We never stop to consider the underlying message that person is bringing with them about themselves.  A person may appear to be angry when in reality they are terrified of being hurt.

Lets be generous, this person may have been brainwashed into believing that they must save us in order to save themselves.  Imagine their internal world where all they see is hell around them.  The terror they must live on a daily basis.  Imagine not being free enough to notice the beauty and love around them.  How horrific their internal world must be.

I would rather spend my time praying for this person then bringing them down even further by confirming their paranoia that we indeed are something to be feared because of our spiteful language.  Christians may be full of spite but then from what I have seen not being Christian, doesn't seem to make people any nicer either.
#109
You must be confusing David Icke with David Suzuki(hope I spelled his name correctly).  David Suzuki also writes about saving the earth, spirituality, etc, but I would say that DI and DS are coming from very different positions.

As I understood things from DI's site and maybe my memory is failing me, he believes things like, Clinton or was it Bush as being a reptile alien in disguise. Something about the world being taken over by reptiles in disguise.  Etc...  He may talk about loving one another, saving the planet, etc, but I must have missed it for all the other bizarre statements he made.

They both have products to sell, ie, books, tickets to talks, etc but I think if I have to spend my money, I would rather spend it on someone who is a little more, ummm, grounded like DS.  Also, someone who has the ability to show evidence for what they say.

I also have experienced the presence of guides and communicated with those who have died, but if one of them told me to go out into the world and tell them that the reptiles are coming, I would first check myself into a clinic.  

Evidence is a funny thing, a little bit used by an honest person can bring about cures and great advances.  A little bit mixed in with a lot of creative imagination/interpretation can make a less truthful person, very rich and powerful, ie, Sai Baba, who has been shown to be paedophile and a charlatan and yet is still protected by India's leaders.  If I willed it, which I don't since my sense of ethics and morality wouldn't allow it, I could have a thriving newly created church/cult going within 6 months based on partial truths mixed in with a lot of nonsense.

I said that I had studied some psychology at uni.  I have had direct experience in what I am about to say.  I know of at least two Phd students whose statistics did not come back the way they wanted.  So they manipulated the results in such a way as to support their theories.  They didn't lie about their results, they just rearranged the stats so that they would conform to their hypotheses.  These were both very honest, scientific people but they were under intense pressure to get in their work before funding and visas expired.  Truth is not concrete, it is maleable by our perceptions, knowledge, skills, talents, by the things we choose to see and not see, etc, evidence can be manipulated and even fabricated.  If you truly believe in conspiracy theories, then surely, why can't you believe that a bloke with nothing better to do could throw together some facts and faked evidence to create a career for himself?  Why is it always the government who is creating the conspiracies?

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.  I am sorry if I have offended you, it was not my intention.  I only wanted to put forward my opinion of this person.  By every experience I have had and knowledge I have gained in my life, both left and right brain, DI appears to me to be either very deluded or a con.  I would be lying about my experience of him if I said otherwise.  However, I have only limited knowledge of him like I said, maybe I am wrong.
#110
I have visited DI's website, although I don't know anything about the fellow outside of this.  I don't believe what he has to say.  The reason I don't believe what he has to say hasn't got to do only about how farfetched everything he says is, but because he uses a very strong and ugly type of psychological mind game to trap people.

If you want people to buy your product tell them it is necessary to their lives.  If they seem doubtful you tell them even if there is a slight chance they may need the product they ought to buy it.  You only need to create slight doubt in a person's mind to get them to buy from you.  I think it was called 'getting the foot in the door' when I was studying psychology years ago.

The same method works in a different way as well.  If you want to strengthen your kids against them taking drugs, trusting the wrong people, etc, what you do, is immunise them psychologically against the pressures they will face.  The way you immunise them is by giving them information about the drugs, etc, but also what these other drug takers will tell them.  You warn your kids that these drug traffickers will tell them that they shouldn't pay attention to their parents because parents just don't understand.  They will tell your kids that the only way they will be 'in' is if they take drugs, and of course, only the up-to-date, smart kids take them.  You tell your kids this so that when it happens, they recognise the drug seller as a dangerous person, not someone who is looking out for them.

DI says the same thing, trust me cause I am in the know, and if you do what I tell you and believe what I tell you, you will be one of the chosen ones.  You will be special just like him and his followers.  Anyone who says anything against this is someone who just doesn't get it, isn't a chosen one.  And just in case you have your doubts, even if 30% what he says is true, you should just swallow everything he says.  Just throw evidence, analysis, half your brain out the window and call yourself zombie!  Youre his forever, cause as soon as you doubt, that 30% gets you and if it doesn't, the fear of not being special or part of the cult does.

It is this kind of people who set up these psychological traps that give those studying the paranormal and similar events a bad name and cause such mistrust in genuine experiences.
#111
Welcome to Astral Chat! / alien incounters
April 08, 2004, 05:31:02
I never have felt comfortable on this planet.  It all seems so unfamiliar to me like I should be somewhere else.  And these slow moving bodies, how do you guys ever get use to them.

I wish Scotty would beam me up some time soon![;)]

I think most people on this planet feel like aliens, just some people are more imaginative than others.  Then again, I could be an alien and don't know it.  Oooohhh![B)][;)]  Trust me to give my crew the sh*ts, enough to erase my memory and dump me here![;)]
#112
Welcome to Astral Chat! / For Men
April 03, 2004, 22:39:04
Hi,

I don't think there is a male or female angle on this topic.  I think that both men and women look for the same thing.  I am talking here about looking for a long term relationship.

I think the old idea of treating the person the way you would want to be dealt with is the central idea.  Whether you are male or female you want to be appreciated for who you are individually and what you bring into the relationship.  I think you want to know that this person will stand by you when you are sick or in a bad way.  That they can cling off your body, mind and spirit in the good times and the bad, which is part of the vows that most couples marrying take.  That they will be slow to being angry and judging you and quick to forgive.  That there is a sense that the two of you are on a life journey together where there is trust and safety within that relationship.

My mum came to Australia in the 60s to marry my dad without ever having met him.  She just had a photo and knew that he came from a respectable family.  They are still married 45 years later and eventhough they still fight like Frank and Marie from Everybody Loves Raymond, you also know they would be lost without each other.  Their love is not a romantic love, where looks, intellect or perfection count.  Its based on the idea of this is 'my person' as the Greeks say.  A sense of identifying with and belonging to someone, where the successes and failures of life are faced as a team and where you are judged as a team.  

Few relationships are like that now because everyone has a list of what they are looking for.  Throw away the list and form a relationship with a real person, warts and all.

[:X]
#113
Welcome to Astral Chat! / For Men
April 03, 2004, 04:19:27
Fallen angel, hi[:I]!

Was it the cooking that got your attention?

he, he, he...
#114
Welcome to Astral Chat! / For Men
April 01, 2004, 22:54:26

"I demand quality in my guys, refuse to settle or compromise."

Do we get a chance to appeal the rating system, or does it automatically become part of our permanent records?

In other words - Puck-ack!!
  Quote: Kiauma



It all depends on how good the making up is.  If he can Kunda the lini really well; its amazing what I will forgive and forget![:D]
#115
Welcome to Astral Chat! / For Men
April 01, 2004, 04:28:16
Guys, I am the girl you are dreaming of!!![:P][;)]

I love martial arts, wrestling, soccer, rugby, fishing, etc.

I have been trained in massage.

I love cooking.

Drawbacks;

I hate beer but it smells nice.  

I like thinking and debating.

I have a personality.

I demand quality in my guys, refuse to settle or compromise.  My name should suggest what type of person I am, if you know anything about Greek mythology.

Yeh, thats right, go to the next post, chicken! [8)][;)]

He, he, he, must be a full moon out tonight![:o)]
#116
I met a woman once who was suffering from multiple personality disorder.  She was reported that she had been ritually abused, which took place at night time where she was woken to take part in horrific events.  Because of this, she believed that each night someone was entering her house and rearranging her furniture.  However, during one of our crisis talks one of her alters admitted to doing the rearranging.

I also knew a woman who had to see a gyneacologist because she was taking 7 birth control pills a day.  One for each alter![:O]

Maybe your car gnomes are actually dissociated parts of yourself.[;)]  The question remains, why are you choosing to misplace your keys?
#117
I absolutely deny any problem with my understanding of the mind-body duality concept.  I have certificate in reflexology, diploma in accupressure, Bachelor of Arts in sociology with many psychology subjects where I got high distinction levels in neuropsychology, I have been on numerous spiritual retreats with a master of the Shankaracharia tradition, done courses in transpersonal psychology and if I had the money I would be now doing a course in psychoanalysis (Freud) and analytic psychology (Jung).

I am not saying all this to blow my own horn but to demonstrate that I have no problems shifting from idea to idea or experience from experience.  I am quite comfortable discussing the body, the mind and the spirit.  I do not deny the existence of the spirit and its effect on the mind and body, or that of the mind on the body.  My point is that if there is a simple earthly explanation to an event, then we should apply it.

If you are repeatedly losing keys then you need to ask yourself, if maybe you are going through a period of not being very focussed.  Maybe, you are stressed.  Even hormones can cause fuzzy thinking, pregnant women are known to experience this phenomenon, as well as people with iron deficiencies, thyroid problems, etc.  Now assuming nothing lately in your life has changed, maybe, you need to look at the mind level and do your own bit of psychoanalysis.  What do these keys mean to you?  When you are using them, is it to go somewhere you don't really want to go or are anxious going?  Etc...  Maybe you are just disorganised in your environment?  Etc...  Surely, it is better or more efficient or more credible to consider these factors before thinking that its some entity hiding your keys, where the proof or evidence is nil.  Missing keys in and of themselves is not evidence of entities.

I want to also say how dangerous it can be to advocate such a position.  I know of a woman who believes she is in communication with angels who guide her.  She talks and has written books about people who have multiple souls and gives this as a reason why some people will run their lives and relationships hot and cold.  She claims that she is not referring to the psychological disorder 'multiple personality', yet many of the things she describes, in terms of experiences, symptoms, behaviours belong to this disorder.  

I have worked voluntarily with people with that disorder in the past.  Irrespective of whether her thinking is sound, the fact is that a lot of people who would benefit from psychological treatment are going to be taken in by her cult like group.  They will explain away their symptoms on entities and it will aid their wish for denying reality.  97% of people with these disorders come from a history of trauma and abuse.  None of that will be dealt with because all their symptoms will be explained away as some interference by outside forces.  When you question this woman about evidence for her claims, her only reply is that her guide confirmed it so.  It is a disaster in the making.

I don't know if this helps but we have a row of hooks next to the door in the hall.  Whenever we step in they go straight there.  Maybe you need something like this.
#118
I know this is probably a little too grounded for this site but have you considered that maybe you may simply be having a very vivid dream and nothing else.  That maybe the physiological response was due to the nature of the dream or just maybe you have high blood pressure or a number of things that can make the heart race.

Why try to search for a paranormal interpretations when there are plenty of everyday reasons why something occurs?

I don't mean to be disrespectful and people of course have a right to believe what they want, but sometimes I wonder what is really going on in people's thinking.  Kakkarot, if you had successive nights of nightmares, maybe you happened to be stressed during that period or your mind needed to process some info.  I know if I am worried or anxious about a situation, I have nightmares, eventhough I hardly ever have them.  Maybe just doing some ritual like putting up shields was enough to calm you down and therefore the dreams went away.

Okay, I have a psychology background so I can't help it but things like this make me think paranoia not paranormal.  I don't understand why every little thing gets explained as an example of as a paranormal experience.  I have had paranormal experiences so I am not a doubter, but I only accept as paranormal events those that can be confirmed in some way and where there is no other explanation.

I am not denying that you have had some paranormal experience both Kakkarot and Nate, just that if there is a simpler earthly explanation why immediately look for a paranormal experience?  I know I am coming across as harsh but I am trying to understand.
#119
Welcome to Astral Chat! / B.P.R.D
March 23, 2004, 01:45:32
Gosh, I wish they would kidnap me, I am sooooooo boooored![:o)]
#120
Of course, we all act differently.  We are putting on a social face because we are not sure where each relationship will head and we are laying ourselves open.  This isn't just for romantic relationships, but all relationships.  It is part of the excitement of meeting someone new and sexual tension and the dreams of a future with that person, etc.  It is also part of self respect, wanting the world to see the best image of yourself.  Yes, we act differently, however, it is not about conquering.  Conquering implies a winner and a loser.  That if you apply these techniques, you will be a winner by getting the woman, however, this implies that you are currently a loser. It also implies that if you do conquer she will be a loser.  It is a win-lose situation in the short term but a lose-lose situation in the long term.

Here is my advice, learn to love and respect yourself, to know your true worth in this world.  If you can do this, lovers will fall at your feet.  People are attracted to confident, loving, happy, caring and honest people.  Do that and you will have all the women you want without having to convince them of your worth.  Look at motivational speakers, really there is nothing great about them.  They haven't cured any disease, stopped world hunger, but they are so attractive because every pore in their body exudes life, energy, confidence, caring, etc.  Don't copy them, become them.

Gosh, I think I will become a motivational speaker after all this![;)][:D]
#121
"And it has nothing to do with 'not being yourself'.

It's giving yourself the tools to get the women you want. Like you would install software on a computer. In other words: evolving!"

Maybe I am wrong or does this sound really sexist?  It brings up images of Neanderthal males with clubs over their shoulders going out and bringing their prize trophies by the hair!  Women are not 'things' to be won over using some 'tools' or computer program.  They are human beings and yes there are women who are going to fall for these methods but you are going to have to be fake in order to get them.  Any male that takes this up is absolutely 'not being themselves'.  Seduction, teasing comes out of the relationship, relating to each other, not out of some male who uses some 'tool' to convince a female(the target/object, etc) that he is worthy of her.  He should believe he is worthy of her without having to apply tools and programs because as soon as he does that, he is testifying that he is not that very thing.  That is, as soon as you try to act like an alpha male or anything else is the moment you are pretending and therefore not that thing.  

Sorry, blame it on Lacan.  God, some uni study actually stuck to me!

[;)]
#122
Here is the problem for you.  Yes you could go and do all those things, make yourself look and sound like an alpha male but for how long are you willing to do that.  Its like holding in your stomach as a beautiful girl goes by.  You can hold it in for a while but eventually you will have to breath and she will see what you really are like.

So you have two choices.  Settle on who you are and stop looking for girls who are looking for alpha males if you are not one.  Find someone who is on your level and isn't looking for something different.  Secondly, become an alpha male but become one completely.  Study on what an alpha male looks and sounds like and fashion yourself after them, but do it thoroughly, don't pretend to be one.

I want you to know this is not just a male problem.  I think this is a bigger problem for females.  I am an intelligent, educated, attractive person, from a good family, who would make some guy a great life partner but I get looked over for the thin girls time and again.  I know that I am not the only female in that situation.  There is even support groups for women who go through these issues.  I always wanted to lose weight so I could be more attractive to the opposite sex and then I realised that I would never succeed at that because I wasn't doing it for me.  Now I am doing it for me and my health.

I guess what I am saying is that this is not a male or female issue and faking being someone else will only fail in the end, because in the end, the person who you will grow old with and who you have to face every morning in the mirror, is yourself.  Be true to yourself and like yourself and the person you attract will also be true to you.
#123
If you look at the idea of evolution, then it suggests that the female of each species will look for a mate that will provide the greatest possibility of healthy/successful offspring.

It may be therefore that some women may misinterpret a males behaviour which is egotistical and arrogant as being strong and confident.  In other words, she thinks she is getting a successful mate when in actual fact the guy may be a loser dressed up to look as a winner.  It may not be politically correct but women are stupid that way.

We are however, no longer living in the woods and in loin clothes.  Now there are other indicators to women that speak success.  For example, a guy may not be the best looking or confident but he has a heart of gold and a wallet to match.  This means even if they don't produce the best offspring there is money to provide for the plastic surgeons, safety and comfort in the future.  Its not they are gold diggers, just that these women look at the idea of what means a successful male/mate in different terms.

I know from my behaviour, I prefer the second version.  I would rather marry a geek who is kind, intelligent and has a good career path, than a guy who is handsome, 'in control', alpha males, mucho, whatever you call them.  In my perception, a guy is in control is also likely to turn around and become a threat to me by trying to control me.  So for me, there is nothing that turns me on faster than someone who is open, gentle, kind, humanitarian, compassionate, etc.  

I guess in the end you have to be yourself though because no matter how much you can doop a woman, eventually she will find you out.

#124
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Chris Robinson.
March 15, 2004, 00:28:58
It does seem ridiculous to me to do the test at all, since, if Chris is exceptional, Randi will twist it around and if Chris is hopeless, 'our' side will claim that Randi was the reason for the failure.  It seems like an absolute waste of time for both sides, in terms of validation but for Randi no matter what the outcome he will because he has set it up like that.
#125
No, never been able to move a bloody thing.

I would trade every psychic ability I might have to get telekinesis though.  I hate housework!