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Paganism is being at one with nature talking to trees and stuff celebrating the components that give you life.

defintly not as you put it. thats Shamanism, Druidism or some similiar sect. Shamanism very interisting - drumming nice way to release stress apart from the ritual usages.

pagan
1. One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially a worshiper of a polytheistic religion.
2. One who has no religion.
3. A non-Christian.
4. A hedonist.
5. A Neo-Pagan.

Paganism
n : any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islamism [syn: pagan religion, heathenism]

Peace and Love
Ryu

[# What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?]

Quran

# What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

  1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
  2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
  3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
  4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
  5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

# Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?

  1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
  2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
  3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
  4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).

# The first Muslim was Muhammad?  Abraham?  Jacob? Moses?

  1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
  2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
  3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).

# Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?

  1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48).  Also 4:116
  2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).

# Are Allah's decrees changed or not?

  1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
  2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
  3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
  4. When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).

# Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?

  1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)!  This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
  2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!"  So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).

# Is wine consumption good or bad?

  1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
  2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
  3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

thanks just orderd it. was cheap

Peace and love
Ryu

Christianity...

From Leyla if person dont mind

WHO CARRIED THE CROSS?

-Mark 15:21 Simon of Cyrene. (Matt 27:32 and Luke 23:26 agree with Mark) Simon carried it, by himself.
-John 19:17 says "JESUS himself carried the cross."
(No where does it say the cross was carried by both men. According to the gospel, it is either one or the other.)

DID EITHER OF THE TWO THIEVES BELIEVE JESUS?

-Matt 27:44 says niether one believes
-Mark 15:32 niether one believes
-Luke 23:39-41 one does not, but one DOES
(only one gospel out of four has the famous conversion story)

HOW LONG WAS JESUS IN THE TOMB?

(remember jews count days from sundown to sundown)
-Matt 28:1 Three days and two nights
-Mark 16:2 Three days and two nights
-Luke 24:1 Three days and two nights
-John 20:1 Two days and two nights

*WHY IS HIS TIME IN THE TOMB SO IMPORTANT?*
Because it means he was not the true Messiah.

In Matt 12:38-40 he said he would remain in the tomb for THREE days and THREE nights, and that would be the sign he was the true messiah. Jesus did not fullfill his own prophecy.

IS MARY PERMITTED TO TOUCH JESUS AFTER THE RESURRECTION?

-Luke 24:39 Yes "Behold my hands and feet..handle me and see."
-John 20:17 No "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my father."

WHO WAS AT THE TOMB, AND WHAT DID THEY SEE WHEN THEY GOT THERE?

-Matt 28 Mary Magdalene and the other Mary saw one angel.
-Mark 16 Mary Magdalene, Mary mother of James, and Salome saw a young man in white.
-Luke 24 Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women that were with them saw two men in shining garments
-John 20 Mary Magdalene saw two angels in white.

WHERE DID THE DISCIPLES MEET THE RESURRECTED JESUS

-Matt 28:6-7 "Galilee"
-Luke 2433-36 "Jerusalem"
(They are about seventy five miles apart)

HOW MANY DISCIPLES DID JESUS HAVE?

-MARK 3:16-19 THIRTEEN
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas, judas the iskariot, bar Tholomaios, maththaios, lewis bar halphaios, iakobos bar halphaios, thaddaios, Simon the Kananite zealot)
-MATTHEW 10:2-4 TWELVE
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas, judas the iskariot, bar Tholomaios, maththaios the tax collector, iakobos bar halphaios, lebbaios thaddaios, simon the Kananite zealot)
-LUKE 6:13-16 THIRTEEN
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas, judas the iskariot, bar Tholomaios, maththaios, lewis the tax collector, iakobos bar halphaios, judus bar Iakobos, simon the Kananite zealot)
-JOHN only mentions NINE
(Simon/Peter, Andreas/Nester, Iakobos bar zebedaios, Ioannes bar zebedaios, phillippos, thomas the twin, judas bar simon the iskariot,
Ioudas, Nathanael of Kana)

"The MESSIAH" & CHRIST
Messiah from Hebrew Masiah & Aramaic Meshina, is literally expected king and deliverer of the Jews, not the son of Yahweh/God! Christ is from the Greek Christos. literally meaning, anointed. Every single Jewish king was a "Christ" it simply meant annointed. A new king was anointed with oil at his coronation.

It does not mean "son of God". The Messiah was NOT supposed to be God, only a really great hero-priest-King. They wanted a hero/rebel to lead the rebellion against Rome.(deleted from Bible by Roman writers, although traces remain) It should be noted that "THE Messiah" is different from "Messiah" which is the Hebrew word that we get the Greek "Christos" from. They mean the same thing. Yep, "David" was a messiah too.

JESUS WAS "VOTED" A GOD IN 325CE.
Like in most of Christianity; a bunch of old Roman politicians took votes to determine the course of the new religion. Yeshua was voted a God, rather than a prophet at the council of Nicea in 325C.E. he was de-deified and re-deified twice and was a god permanently in 380, this was about politics. Yeshua never thought he was God.

JESUS DENIES HE IS GOD
Apparently the council of Nicea missed this one. "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one and that is God." And again, "Why callest thou me good? None is good, save one, and that is God." (Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19)
When questioned on this verse, one Christian actually told me: "Jesus Lied."

BUT JESUS TALKS ABOUT BEING GOD IN THE BIBLE!
Well lets take a look, shall we?

BAR-NASHA - Jesus called himself "bar nasha" "son of man" 28 times. It means in the three Semitic languages "a human being"

BAR-DALAHA - "Son of God" (oh, oh, they got us here huh? -nah) In the Aramaic-Semitic language "bar-dalaha", "God's son", "God's child" is used many ways and may refer to an orphan, peacemaker, etc. You see it must be understood that the term "bar" does not mean "son" in a literal way it refers to a likeness, and a special relationship. Never in Hebrew scripture or in the New Testament does it refer to a physical relationship. Easterners will use the term "son" as like saying "beloved" [the very idea of a actual sonship from God was seen as blasphemy to Jews, but not to Romans, hmmm]

EHEDAYA- "the only begotten son" (lest they throw this at ya, here it is) Jesus never claimed to be God's only son, that claim was made by others, and found only in the Gospel of John. John has it as a translation of the Greek "monogenes" which is two words, singular and kind, when put together mean "one of a kind" I don't want to get into the breaking down of the Greek, suffice to say, it is an improper translation. A better rendering would be "unique son". It does not even come close to meaning what Christians think it means.

small one from me

NT
I Corinthians 13:4 - love is not jealous

OT
Exodus 20:5 for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God
Malachi 3:6 I the LORD do not change.

dont have on other religions as i havnt seen posts about them or read for example the quran 100x times over :/

it would be interisting to have other religions here with there contradictions
and please dont go and flame each other this for study and not anti-some-religion

Peace and love
Ryu

Leyla - seems u know lot bout jewish stuff hence your upbrining. what also suprised me when i was studying magick was the fact that the The Lesser Ritual of Banishment and the cabalistic cross was preformed by a jewish rabi.

strange then that in bible magick was forbidden...

Peace and love
Ryu

how to. all i want to know )

i see its very heatlhy to meditate and would like to learn how.

Peace and love
Ryu

childish all i have to say. this things you expect from children teasing each other and dont know control.

u dont see ppl burning down windows, carry be-heading posters or cutting ties when life of brain came out.

and besides one should have a laugh now and then its good for the soul

Peace and love
Ryu

[Stookie]

Stookie

Not everyone has the ability to see through the physical world, and those people need faith

i would venture and say that those are the 'young' souls, had an open mind then was schooled into mental imprisonment, not ready to 'see through' or has chosen for this life to be devoted to some religion.

true that all in bible inst crap - there is some good values one can take but not as lived as black and white.

MisterJingo

-> moving further away from topic hehe

I'm not a christian either (I follow no faith or religion), but I'd just like to say if some minor discrepancies such as these turned your friend from a devout christian to a pagan, he was either very fickle or was thinking of changing faith anyway surely?

i for one it was more than just the discrepancies. i was started to get a feeling that not all was as it seems and started to look at other religions and systems. iv'ed changed from my 'born into religion' to a free open minded spirit and enjoy life allot more than being ruled over by some book and priest

Strangely it was the research into other religions and systems that
made me more aware and understanding (wanting to learn more about) of God/Goddess, Angels, Guides, afterlife etc etc.

Mustardseed

1 John 4:8 - He that loves not knoweth not God; for God is love. (that would mean = he that loves knows god for God is love)

that's why i noted the differences between the OT and NT deities was bit strange for me that god can be jealous and not jealous at same time but unchanging.

NT
I Corinthians 13:4 - love is not jealous

OT
Exodus 20:5 for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God
Malachi 3:6 I the LORD do not change.

Leyla
looks like volcano is out of the window for this topic  
anyways it is something to think about - the booming voice, fire and mountain climbing...

Peace and love
Ryu

heavy reading for such awesome Monday morning, but interesting

Peace and love
Ryu

hi,

ok i more or less understand the whole reincarnate, create own reality and such but i have this one question...

how did we separate from God in first place ?
how and why did the reincarnate start ?
whats all this got to do with 'original sin' ?
are there constant new people who must reincarnate or set souls to be
perfected but if so then it will end eventually...

its confusing me to bits hehe.

/me looks for flashlight

Peace and love
Ryu

um  

there seems to be different versions of the bible (this now being the canon of books) which one is the correct one to read and not 'hearsay' as you put it ?

as what I've read so far the Catholics decided some way back what not and whats to be included in the total bible...

also thing that i have been wondering about is why are all the main figures in most religions male.  the main god(s), angels, sons that was sent and humans of note ? it would seem that those religions was written from a male perspective excluding the woman and in some cases make them the bringers of sin/evil moreover a definite relation towards a certain race aswell.

Christianity - why is the streets of heaven depicted as gold. it sounds like a casino or some dream of umber wealth.
other religions haven't read on how they depict heaven to be    


i have a curious mind and it will be curious at all times  

Peace and love,
Ryu

Thank goodness i don't know everything.  Just think for moment if we all are born with total knowledge and perfection. life would have no meaning at all there wouldn't be need for life then anyways.

If someone have different views its better not to be nasty towards them and except them as they are. It is good practice to try and help someone who wants to be helped and not force a certain dogma onto them.

we are all here to life live not be entrapped.

Peace and love,
Ryu

Tombo.

i think its more 'Like Jesus' and not 'Through Jesus' if you ask me
I'm sure why buts my feeling.

James S - interesting point never thought about it that way.
Gnashing of teeth...  - hope the used callgate hehe for strong teeth for all that Gnashing  

eternal life, you might get nightmares from the bible bout that - used to get those after I've moved away from Christianity to more open minded i didn't have those 'gnashing' and demons take over the world dreams anymore

but for Eternal Life. i think that would be when you 'integrate' with god again after you have become pure through all your trails in your lives

blessings,
Ryu

God is much too vast to be constrained into just one book.

that made my day

i agree with Ryu-Kanjin

one should walk ones path by yourself. i think that's one of the reasons we are on the earth not to go via a rulebook made by man but to find the truth for ourselves - Think, Ask and Do.

You don't need someone to talk for you to a deity or and guides, as the message is intended for you and could be misinterpreted by that person.

for me, you can do want you want as-long as you don't harm anyone including yourself. I'm at the moment also walking and finding myself. Heck Exploration is awesome. just think how boring life would have been if you could only follow some bible in what you must do blindly without every having to ask a question or think for once in your life for yourself !

at the core all religions teaches anyways more or less the same thing all-though their deity system differs or way of teaching.

heaven and hell - not true, there surly is something after death. not a condemning but a further progress of your learning path or and evolution.

magicmac2000 - it is really good that you are wondering why. trust me, but know to trust and believe in yourself  

Blessings,
Ryu

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RAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWR

Why are you so brainwashed, sir?

thanks for good laugh there  

blessings
Ryu

um. I'm sure if you though Micheal Jackson he would also help you on your first obe. as from what I've read up on what ever thought you take with you before your obe that materializes and the planes are rules by your mind.

your fears are also realized in the planes if you attract them so seeing the 'antichrist' could have been that or an indoctrination...

blessings
Ruy

dizzy head from UBER posts especially Wandering Indigo's

anyways.
speaking of controlling the indigos. a sure way is this new nonsense called Attention Deficit Disorder. I also was on that pills just because i though different and done things different. not to start with all the indoctrination done via religion as Wandering Indigo stated.

once you control the mind. you have successfully enslaved them, but if it wasn't for eastern influences thank god. i would still be entrapped in some silly religion dogma prison - following the rule book, think not.

very inter siting reads and all. how you measure you IQ Wandering Indigo ?
i tried the on-line ones and each time got different score by 20.

other thing i want to ask is. now that i have grown out of non thinking to thinking (been tought ride doing the whole 360 turn away and ridding myself of silly fears and indoctrinations). I would really like AP, but not sure what to do. sure there is a simple explanation how to. anything except the FAQ would be nice like URL or something

and whats this 'pagan Greek' thinking system you referring to ?

blessings,
Ruy

Abys  
the DUM not too bad, made me have a good smirk hehe

dead dude story. enjoyable

blessings,
Ryu

[The only limit in life is yourself! Explore all. try everything as long as you don't harm anyone - that includes you too]

thanks Leyla,

to be short another interesting note
if you compare the deity from the old testament and the new testament
and what they are doing and saying it would also seem that its 2 different
deities.

for example:
old - very violent and jealous (only worship me or die)
Exodus 20: 1-17 (for I the Lord your God am a jealous God)

new - loving, compassionate and forgiving
the one in new one clearly states the he is love and what love is as described in 1 Corinthians 13:1-7 (...and is not jealous)

--> Malachi 3:6 I the LORD do not change.

also there are some sources as the Jesus Mysteries that points the the old testament to be history of Jews and the new testament was started by the gnosis the teach the Jews about the whole god's son 'Dionysius dying resurrecting' teaching - theres a bunch of god's and goddess's sons that was send, died and resurrected bit wee long list of those.

religion for me is interesting subject to study. the whole lot of them. in the end it seems that the core teaching, all though different wording teaches more or less the same thing.

best thing would be to except other ones believes and enjoy the differences rather than killing a fellow person just because he/she don't share your believes.

its good to ponder about things and what is out there rather than just using the religions book as a sole guide to life. I'm quite sure that god didnt intend us to use our interpretations (or religions) as a how-to, FaQ or rulebook to be followed blindly while living.

Blessings,
Ryu

The only limit in life is yourself! Explore all. try everything as long as you don't harm anyone - that includes you too[/color]
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interesting until the flame wars started :/

anyways last time i checked MustardS was doing some channeling and not your average judge dred.

if a certain 'religion' was arrogant towards you, then its good to show them that you have grown past that arrogance and can except them even if they don't except you and not be nasty towards them.

remember that we all was there at some point or in some way. heck even i was uber doom priest of a certain religion judging and brimstone + fire ppl if they dared to be different, but now i have come to be more open minded and are thankful for those who have bared my ignorance and was patience with me.

i had to learn the hard way. i can now never say i am sorry to my friend who i rebuked and have died in accident, but i take it that she now knows that i know that what i have said to her i was wrong then and are sorry now for it.

i also experience those anti-open-free-minded against my beliefs and try to be nice to them which is better than having same judgmental actions.

anyways back to topic...

any read up on those volcano conclusions you have Leyla ?
[except the bible verses]

thank god we all different would been VERY boring otherwise

blessings
Ryu

interisting... where can one read up on this history A Souls Fury ?

blessigs,
ryu

thanks nay.

all is well today no weird feelings

blessings
ryu

hi,

ive been having this for past 2 days now it started at my heart chakra which only now feels excited, but the burning feeling is the throat chakra area.

i had bit of depression before this and tried to soothe a way the odd burning feelings which as left the heart and moved up to the throat now.

not sure whats going on here if its like a cleansing thats moving up after
the depression or just something thats out of place.

blessings
Ryu

cool, so i could use that to phase/project

blessings,
ryu