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"Subconscious" was coined by Freud, and naturally refers more to repressed things we jam down into our heads, the neurosis, parent-"loving" side that he concentrated so much on, etc. "Unconscious" is a Jungian term, and is more referring to the repository of general unconscious and collective unconscious imagery that is stored like a repository in us.
But the terms are often confused in popular language, and I am not sure how much we can honestly differentiate. So perhaps its moot.
Rob

Hmm k thanks, yes please do keep me posted - if you find anything especially significant, could you drop me a quick mail? Just my participation in these forums has been somwhat sporadic for a while now and may well continue to be. Got a job interview in a few days then off to Ireland for a bit, cant complain too much - but I have a very unconventional schedule at the mo, and I might miss your stuff, which would not be good..

LOl maybe nuts but then I'm sure you're not the only loony here!

Anyway sounds like you've found what could be the first stage of a replicater unit, which would be good going! If you go check again, maybe you could look at the technology that enables the coordinated manifestation of potential? Do let me know if you do!!! Yeah I guess the complexity might be a problem. Anyway, good work  

Rob

ps only tech references to this sort of this I've read about would require perfect hologramatic forms which create the energetic "mould", which is then" filled" using sudden square wave high voltage pulses, ie intensely fast fluxing EM field. Sharped the square the better. But the bloke who suggested wasnt holding much hope, due to how stable the hologram would have to be. Interesting stuff tho.

Absolutely, and we've already come some way with anti-gravity although it has been almost entirely blocked from the mainstream research. Damn it.

Podkletnov spinning disks and Biefeld-Brown effect (I can easily prove this to be more than ion cloud phenomenon) are of prime importance IMO (ook! says scientific monkey - he also tells me Meads "Collective Electrodynamics", specifically the bits on collective electrodynamic momentum, could well be very important in "anti-grav" like devices (who's a clever monkey!?! We call him Thoth   )). Also searl effect (SEG), Schauberger stuff, Hutchinson effect (bit dodge IMO but hey), ORMUS induced weight fluctuations, etc etc just to name a few of the more prominent ones which I have looked at.
However, I do agree that its disheartening that we cannot get any of this info from more esoteric sources. Come on astral projectors, go hit the akashic records and bring me back some kewl stuff!!! If a monkey can start his own religion and lecture on CED, I'm sure an experienced APer with engineering/science knowledge should be able to find something eh???



Rob

www.subtleenergies.com - ormus section. IMO this is one of the the true roots of alchemy. Some basis in atomic physics may is useful in understanding much of where its coming from but it is not critical, since we lack much of the theoretical basis for this stuff lacking. But a general understanding of the nature of the atom and their constituent parts should suffice to glean some idea of the concepts involved.

[AP!!]

"That we are actually many personalities in one single body."

Yeah I read that on beelzebubbas site once (mysticweb), one of the courses I think, spent practically an entire book trying to hammer the point home. I got bored about 3/4 the way through when I decided it wasnt going anywhere else. Anyway, I agreed at first, but on reflection, this is a limited point of view (and to some extent relies on semantics, which is never good).
First, the surface "you" forms from a range of subconscious "programs", if you like. The key point, already mentioned above by others, is that what comes out in one instant is just part of a scale/range that our surface personalities occupy. So to clarify, while personalities seem to occupy discrete points, when looked at from a higher perspective, the points all form part of a range.

Second point:
Underneath the many facets of "you" and the temporary forms and personalities we wear is an utterly vast and formless being. This is the true essence of "you". So no division due to changing form, because there is no form, there is only the incandescent essence of consciousness.

AP!! Good work!!! I know exactly what you're talking about. I've gone down this path, and came to the conclusion which is my second point (just above). I wrote more in detail about this approach at http://www.ourultimatereality.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=40&highlight= if you are interested.
Rob

Hmm, looks really interesting, I will have to take a look. Thanks for the info.

Rob

HHhhmm, my experience is that they are quite nasty creatures, and the popular idea of "shadow people" confirms this. They talk about shadow people a lot of coast to coast. Experiences seem uniformly bad/scary/terrifying. Basically, they are negs.
Some people may argue that they are all in you head, or subconscious creations of our minds, but this argument falls down in practice. I had experience with them when I was about 5, and this is in no way unusual. Little old me had no desire to create such powerful and scary things as what I saw <shudder>. If they were creations of the mind, we would expect them to appear to older people more regularly since we have more subconscious material and dark emotions to work with. Also we would expect little or no correlation between experiences if they were created by the person experiencing them (past jungian collective subconscious imagery, anyway). Instead, there is a definite pattern to both their form and their method that indicates objective existance.
Haven't seen any negs for a while though. Last time must be getting on 2-3 years ago, woke up with thie dark shape standing at the bottom of my bed. Dad had nightmares about me being possessed that night. Lots more, wont go into it now though not got time

Thing is, the whole "neg" topic was brought forward by Robert Bruce, who has since proved that in certain situations, he can be somewhat untrustworthy, so a lot of people I think are going "aah, what now??!". IMO the personal experiences of people on this site are still valid though (I know mine are), and I can still vouch that most the methods he promotes do indeed work. I have no problem with saying this, since its honest and the truth. C'est la vie!

Rob

Hhhmmm interesting.....to the people who find the idea of the government using AP ridiculous you should probably try researching remote viewing. Btw the (RV) program was supposed to have been shut down some time ago, but in reality they are still running it, just from a different place and with different admin. And given the obvious level of success, and that RV was impossible to keep the lid on once out, its more than likely that various militaries are quietly looking into other psychic skillz.
My 2c....
Rob

You know, I actually found this site because it was referenced in the book Practical Psychic Self-defense by Robert Bruce. It said this was his website. So, why hasn't anyone suggested any of the defense mechanisms listed in the book? Hmmm.

Ah well, Robert caused something of a conflict a while back, quite unexpected, but result is he doesn't really come here any more nor does Nita, so it doesnt get so discussed any more. But I do know from experience that the methods in his book do work. With respect to your ex - you might be able to give him some help but I doubt you will be able to do that much without having him onboard (ie participating in trying to free himself).

Rob

LOL it IS funny though!!!!!

" it would be all settled.. "

Yeah thats pretty amusing too! Randi and his challenge <makes cynical noise>



Rob

That is amazing! Wow, I am impressed. I love the movements, I know what he means, will have to try that method. Infact, I'm going to save it on my computer, so thanks!!

Rob

Ooh just wanted to add to this thread again (3 years later!! funny looking back <makes sneaky edit>), that the pentgram contains phi or the golden mean - that is, in proportion to the legnths of (one of the two of) the lines in each arm to the length of the (5) lines in the center of the pentegram. If that makes any sense. Its pretty simple but very cool

Rob

Yeah I have heard some of his interviews, he sounds really good, but please elobarate on what they did for you!? I have always been just on the edge of buying his books but always a tiny bit....unsure :p

Rob

Well my first real recommendation is books about Victor Schauberger. I cant speak for them all but expect they will be good. I am currently reading "Living Energies" by Callcum Coats which is excellent, although is has some real oddball stuff there if you can cope with that the ideas behind it are well worth it! Although Coats' other book "The Energy Evolution" is a translation of difficult to understand German, but since its from Scaubergers original articles it might be more to his original point, dont know haven't read it yet

- if you have a firm grounding in physics you might want to try "Collective Electrodynamics" by Carver A Mead because IMO its a very important book! But like the name implies, its not light reading...

- For an engineering perspective on the zero-point field read "Quest for Zero-Point Energy" by Moray B King - what can I say?!? Free energy stuff well explained

have fun

Rob

Wow, interesting stuff you're into there! Chaos magic and mysticism - I can relate to that  
Well I should just say "hi" but I gotta ask - why have you moved on to using thought form entities? Isn't that a bit....I dont know, messy, maybe? Less ultimate control, I always thought. I have created a few thought forms but I tend to be lax about tidying up, and they dont always used that much...meh my bad.
So yeah - hi!

Rob

The egypian deity Set, wasn't it? God of the night?

And second I don't think we would develop as fast mentally and spiritually everyone knew they were going to live longer.

No bad thing! We rush our lives and schooling far too much, so much pressure, its just not healthy.

Ach, I'm so surprised so many of you are saying things like "why would I would to live that long?" - well just....because!! There is so much I want to achieve in life, and the longer I have, the further down those paths I'll be able to go.

I'd love to be able to just stop aging, and live for as long as I like. Be great!!

Rob

Search around for free hemisych programs maybe, they might help a bit. I dont know if there has been any tone identified as being good for APing, I think they tend to swich you around the trance regions more and generally relax you.

I learnt the other day that it's all the rage amongst various religious groups to claim that all manner of so called "scientific truths" exist in books such as the bible. Trying to make out these books were some Physics text book from long ago or something, and leading in the gullible under some pretext of scientific credibility.

Lol, interesting - please, satisfy my curiosity, what were these "scientific truths"? I remember hearing about the dimension of Noahs Ark making it a perfect candidate for long, difficult ocean journey - but I guess I must have missed the show where they discuss Jesus' lessons on collective electrodynamics  

Rob

Edit: OOps strange comment I need to clarify!! "Often, I think the plant will not introduce you to what you are not ready for, unless you ask for it somehow.... Probably " - I say this only because I have a friend who took mushtooms and went into a heavy depression. He's since come out of it and has learn a lot from it. But he mentioned recently that he wanted the mushrooms to help him release his insecurities (in the long run). In retrospect, be careful what you ask for :p - he seems much more "free" these days certainly. Maybe thats what happens when you go further than you are capable of handling - what you get comes with a high price tag. But I wonder how many other people have some sort of hidden death wish, or some belief that they are worthless etc, and then take some psychoactive plant which makes them what they believe they are, and they can never get over it or the experience just makes them snap. Its an interesting thought anyway, but I aint no doctor!

Oh on the salvia topic - I've heard some insane stories. Its powerful stuff, and people dont always like the experience it gives them. Its not a "getting high" drug in any way shape or form - so if you try it, go like Kevin and take it very slowly! For your own good

HHmm, tried Salvia up to *6 in a mini bong, didn't do a lot (or indeed anything), but then some drugs are very ephemeral like that - that can take you quantum leaps forward in mind/body/spirit state, or they can do diddly-squat. Seen the same with mushrooms a number of times. I've also noticed that the more shamanic substances often appear inherantly to act in this way. Sooo basically, IMO the experience you get from a drug will depend on: Your own mental state, how you approach the experience and the plant, and your pre-existing level of development, and simple physical factors. I've been to some amazing areas of the mind while people who have taken the same as me go nowhere because they have no pre-existing natural knowledge or appreciation for those zones, and perhaps they didn't know how to approach the plant (it is giving of itself so try to be respectful!). Often, I think the plant will not introduce you to what you are not ready for, unless you ask for it somehow.... Probably
Have heard the negative-tolerance thing before, interesting, some hippy once said to me that your body has to get used to it. Oh yeah and burning substances does totally change and mess up that substances energies.
my 2p!
Rob

Oh yeah I forgot - it seems to help if you acknowledge their presence somehow, I usually just say "saw that!". Starting seeing them a lot more for a while after that..

Yeah I see these points of light sometimes too, more often at times than others. They seem distinctly brighter and more powerful than the tiny prana types but I wonder if there isn't a relation, still. Either than or otherworldly entities

Wasn't that supposed to hold lots of his wisdom? Try the Kybalion