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quote:Melbourne.
My company's head office is there.
I did live in Sydney (well, Camden) until 5 years ago. Change of wife, change of life....

You're at Pymble? Not far to travel to work then. In Sydney traffic that can only be a good thing! Where's your dental clinic?

That's a rather diverse combination of jobs you've got.

Um, two stops away from pymble on the trainline.
Heh...camden sucks! [8D] did you ever know anyone by the name hodson, mconie or buckley?

yep, white light will make you unnoticed

Yes, if you beleive the cloth protects then it will act a a poppit and it will work.

They were created in the late 1800's and have always been a game for children.
They're really not that dangerous as some people would like to say. You won't always be speaking to a spirit, you can also be speaking to your subconscious mind. Also I'm not sure how black cloth or silk would stop spirits coming through a gateway...firstly if the ouija board is a gateway, it would be better to just envision light like white hot fire over the board until you are sure there is so much of it it has burnt off any residual energies and closed up the "gateway" so to speak.
The only bad thing about using it on your own would be that there's a lesser chance it will work and perhaps more of a chance you'd be speaking to your subconscious. Having other people around is more psychological then realistic. Of course, safety of a purely psychological nature can be neccesary with something that can be purely psychological.
Unless you know what you're doing then don't it on your own, other wise do it with someone else or a group of people and you can hopefully have fun. Only thing is alot of the spirits you will speak to suck at spelling, are incoherent and play games with you. The key is to find one which you can speak to properly...perhaps a deceased relative.
There is no reason why someone would be an idiot for buying one or trying it out, and no reason why it would be foolish just to touch a board...it IS just cheap peice of would with some letters painted on it after all...I'd say this is where you'd be treating the whole thing far to seriously...if you're christian then you can only accept that all spirits are just demons or the devil confusing you and so it can only lead to bad stuff...but if you're not christian then you really don't have much to worry about other then annoying or angry spirits, most of the time you'll only get something that is annoying, incoherent and repetitive at worst [|)]
so if your freind has one fat_turkey, perhaps you and some freinds can give it a try.

There's one thing I can be sure about the "goetic qlipothic entities" and that's that its bovine excrement. They are not "empty shells" or psychic vampires. That's an insult. There's nothing to handling a "demon king"; what, really, do you expect when you draw up a nine-foot protective circle on the floor, brand the demon with a magickal weapon, treat it like a slave demanding things from it and abusing it with enemy god names?
You wouldn't treat an Angel in this way, and guess what? an Angel would not take excrement like this either.

quote:This may not be dark/left-hand magicians but there unfortunately other people that turn to Satanism (not Church of Satan or Temple of Set-type satanism), I mean the real low type, and they fall to easy prey to negative energies that prey on the unwary.

"The real low type"? You seem to be reffering to theistic satanism, perhaps you should discover just what you are talking about instead of making assumptions based off crappy movies and tv shows. The temple of set are theistic satanists as well...can you honestly say yuo've met one theistic satanist who has "fallen to easy pray to negative energies"?
Have you ever even summoned or worked with a demon, or had any *real* experience with a goetic demon at all?

Negative effects of medication is something you should talk to your GP about, and perhaps your psychologist if you really are sure that anything negative which happens to you is an evil spirit attacking you.

quote:When was this movement exactly? Spiritualism has just existed, there was never a movement, at least so far as I know.

Towards the end of the 19th century was the spiritualist movement. The new age movements comes in the very latter part of the 20th century.

quote:Do you adhere to the laws of the JOS? If so then you are following a religion.
Do you adhere to the beliefs without working with "traditional" or "modernized" laws of that belief? Then your probably a spiritual satanist.

There are no laws of the JOS. There are no traditionalist laws, there could be a single tradionalist group that has "laws" but there are none that apply to all of traditional satanism and I would not think of a traditional group with laws too highly, nor would anybody else in the satanic community. Some traditionalists follow the ideas of the satanic bible (for modern satanists), such as the satanic sins, etc ("sins", "church", and "bible" are all a mockery of christianity).

quote:I discovered my higher self and my spirit guides through my own personal experiences.

My ideas come from personal experiences as well.

quote:I have real life experience with these beings on a daily basis

I and others have experiences on a daily basis. Otherwise, what on earth would be the point?

I know now what you mean, and that's exactly who I'm reffering to as well. And I don't beleive that they are evil, those Gods were the Gods of the first civilisation(s) ever on earth (mesopatomia and later on egypt), they predate the hebrew/judeao/christian gods by a long time and I would consider "yahweh" and kin to be a nasty bunch. The reason why I say this is because of the times they have ordered mass murder, rape, blood sacrifice of animals and humans, things like that. But I haven't heard of anything like this about the ancients and everyone I who has had contact with the ancients who I know (in the clergy for example, so aside from you) have had positive experiences with these beings, as have I.
Of course, if you were to believe they were evil, you might want to accept the notion they are fallen angels come to govern the men led astray, and the early civilisation of earth come from them, because lucifer caused the first humans to be kicked out of the garden of eden and led them away from innocence with knoweldge, free thought will and choice, civilisation, culture and technology.

Perhaps some panadols would have done the trick [] ?
Although I must admit, burning chilli to ward off evil spirits giving you head aches makes for a great placebo []

Just interested...
Because real satanic rituals did not exist until about 1966, and these rituals were of the first church of satan, which if you might already know is a church of athiestic philosophy. Their ritual of "dedication" has nothing to do with dedicating yourself to a real being called shaitan or real demonic beings. Ones like these would not have existed until...somewhere around the 1970's when the temple of set came about, even then I have my doubts whether those rituals have anything to do with pacts with real demonic beings/satan.

Although I'm not suggesting you suggested this, but, I do not believe I am in contact with "negs". I do beleive in astral wildlife which can attack or thoughtforms that have become chaotic, or unhappy base level spirits that can be hostile, but I do not believe in monstrous demonic evil spirits and the beings I am involved with are not of these league. They are certainly positive and not "lower astral beings" at all because they do not dwell or reside entirely on the astral and they are not "lower" because they are really powerful and it would probably take a single thought to incinerate anybody they pleased.

But your ideas of the higher self and spirit guides are from the new age/spiritualist movement. If someone does not undertake a spiritual journey which aims to acheive the higher self or follows the words of guides, would you disregard it? Spirit guides come from the 20th century notions of guardian angels. The "higher self" (please correct me if I'm wrong) seems to have come around as a theosophical theory of the seventies or eighties.
If you don't consider spiritualism to be religious or a religion then you shouldn't consider satanism to be religious or a religion.
I am interested in spirituality and am involved in it but is it not considered worthy or is it not considered spirituality at all if I don't accept the theory of guides and higher self, the becoming of the "I AM" or "the source"?

question:
what do you have to say about satan and the demons?

quote:Anyway, steering this back towards spiritual development, I don't believe that "satanism" has anything to offer over-and-above that which an individual could grasp through his own personal development. I also have to take issue with it being referred to as a religion !!

I doubt you even know what satanism is, just like everyone else who talks like yourself.

quote:Sorry AK666, it still sounds like religious diatribe, just coming from a different direction to the norm.

I won't comment on whether I think its good or bad, it's not my place to judge. What I would prefer to see though is for you to post more from a position of personal experience - tell us what you have personally discovered. Not the words of others which you feel led to follow.

The reason Clandestino said what he did about religious posts not being looked upon too fondly here, is because many people here who are on a personal spiritual journey, don't really give a rats about religion of any kind.

Even if you try and point out, as you have done on a few occasions, that they/we are still following a religion of one form or another, we don't care. We're not interested in what we might be labelled as. It's a spiritual path that we follow from our own personal discoveries and experiences. Not something that someone else tells us is right for us.

Religion does NOT determine my opinions. What determines my opinions are my own real life experiences. If I chose to follow a particular path that has a particular label, such as being called a witch, that is because I have found that path agrees with my personal experiences.

For me, it is a spiritual path. I care nothing for religions, as I follow the direction of my higher self and my guiding spirits, not the doctrines of men.

Follow your heart, your path. Tell us of your experiences. That means much more to free thinking people than directly quoting the preachings of others.

Kind regards,
James.

I do not follow or even know that person.
Really, judging from that post I might not be a satanist, all it is is an excerpt talking about the aeon of lucifer.
Oh and by the way, the religion you are talking about is spiritualism.
I think you will find that religions like satanism or wicca are personal spiritual journeys anyway.
And what you follow is the doctrines of men, as well.
And I have spoken of my own experiences, which have been frowned upon.

quote: So, are you trying to prove that everyone and religion are wrong, by preaching yours to us? By the way, good job stealing dialogue from Noam Chomsky.

Why are you focusing all of this bull*** on me and not other people on this forum who are christians talking about stuff from a christian standpoint, or wiccans from a wiccan standpoint? Everybody here is a part of a religion, and that religion determines thier opinion, which is what they express here. By the way, are you so stupid that you didn't notice
TSIRK SUSEJ
written at the bottom of the page and
QUOTATION MARKS
around the whole post?

                         

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right...well, lucifer means bringer/bearer of light. And I'm not talking about the minor roman god..

quote:Zeus resides in Mount Olympus holding aloft the lightning bolt, his symbol of divine power

That's one line.

Exactly. Everyone has a beleif system.
As for God, well, if you are talking about an entity, a universal intellect or life force disconnected to any diety or religious figure devised by man, I've already talked about this, in a new thread I created in spiritual development topic.

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Oh, I see.
How I understand Buddhism:
The beleif system according to the buddha shakyamuni's teaching; the virtuos and perfect teaching, its goal being to break through delusion and to acheive Annuttara-Samyak-Sambodhi, the perfect complete enlightenment. The Perfect Complete Enlightenment can be described as three levels, Arhats, Bodhisatvas and Buddhas. This first is "proper Enlightement", where the afflictions of rights and wrongs of others, greed, anger, ingorance and arrogance are severed, and where no wandering, discrimantory thoughts are harboured. Then "Equal and proper enlightenment". Equal means equal to the buddha, but not yet having become a buddha. This level is higher than that of an arhat. One who acheives Ewual and proper enlightenment is a bodhisattva. Perfect Complete Enlightenment, that is buddhahood.
A buddhist recognises the five guildines of of practice; The three conditions, the six harmonies, the three learnings, and the six paramitas of principles. There is also the ten good conducts and the ten great vows of universal bodhisattva..and the five niyama, which are;
Utu Niyama,
Bija Niyama,
Kamma Niyama,
Dhamma Niyama,
Citta Niyama.

Of these five, the physical inorganic order, the physical organic order and the order of the norm are more or less of the mechanical type though they can be controlled to some extent by human ingenuity and the power of mind. For example, fire normally burns, and extreme cold freezes, but man has walked unscathed over fire and meditated naked on Himalayan snows; horti-culturalists have worked marvels with flowers an fruits; and Yogis have performed levitation. Psychic law is equally mechanical, bud buddhist training aims at control of mind, which is possilbe by right understand and skilful volition.

Buddhism aims ultimatley at the escape of samsara, and thus the nibbanna or the buddha realm, in which a buddha or boddhisattva must still cultivate to accumulate good kamma, for when he incarnates, which he will only do by choice, only to help sentient beings.
Buddhism is not considered religion, nor philosophy as there is no subject and object, rather it is an education, of the buddha shakyamuni.
Compassion, wisdom, understanding.

Any problems?

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Logic --- oh? so if 50 innocent people were about to be murdered and you could step in and prevent it by attacking the murderer, you wouldn't because you think that its evil?
I agree with what most people have been saying here. There is no good and evil duality. There is no light side and dark side. There are no purely good spirits and pure evil spirits, each with the task to do either good or evil.
There is free will, and the free will in turn to define what is "good" and what is "evil", usually harming someone without that person deserving it is considered "evil".
I don't beleive paying attention to the self is "evil". Self-centeredness is an undesirable mindset and can be quite annoying, but denying the self is even worse.

quote:light, good...just "pure love"

How do you understand love? I understand it as something experienced between two people, it is an emotion, which also carries with it other emotions and experiences, alot if not most of which can be painful, and I define this as love. Love is one of the greatest attachments, the buddhists beleive that Love is actually the biggest obstacle in cultivating, and if there was something greater then love, then it would be impossible to cultivate.
Loving everyone and everything, obviously, is dangerous.
And it shouldn't be too hard in seeing the danger and irrationality in loving your enemy; someone purposely looking to attack and destroy you. If you love them, what good does this do to you?
Yes love is essential to human happiness and it is a good thing it also sets up alot of vulnerability and weakness in humans and potentional for pain and it makes for easy manipulation.

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I think you better seriously reconsider you are calling a loser and lazy, a normal member of the sangha does 16 hours of study a day and I'm talking about ven. master chin kung.

I live in pymble though. Where are you?