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First I would just like to say this is my first post, I found this site about a few weeks ago. I've read almost all of Astral Dynamics by Bruce.

This is another one of thoes "please help, what am I doing wrong to project thread" I know there are alot of them, but please read mine and help me with any insight that you can offer.

I try to project everynight. 2/3 of the time I end up just falling asleep after reaching a heavy trance state, and not being able to maintain awarness, and just getting "lost in the trance." The majority of the times that I dont fall asleep, after I reach the trance state I tend to bob in and out of awarness. Such as I'll start observing imagry and sounds, and all of a sudden "wake up" (not completly, just become aware again of whats going on) and realise that I had got lost in the trance. This happens to me I'd say about back and forth for about 5-6 times. Aware of whats going on. Then bam, realize I had just drowned out. Each time it happens it is stronger and stronger. Today I was trying to project and all of a sudden bam! I became aware again after "getting lost in the trance" to realize that I was staring up at the celling with astral sight. I had my astral sight, and was seeing everything perfectly clear, but I had not realized this, I was "zoned out" in the trance, and when I came too, is when I realized that I had been looking at the celling with my astral eyes for awhile. After that I herd a loud disturbing sound which caught me by suprise and ended that.

My question is, how can I stop myself from "getting lost in the trance" if you understand what I mean. How can I maintain awareness while still in the trance.
Also there are levels of the trance that I can get into. Should I be in a light, heavy, or deep state of trance before atempting to project?

I have been lighty reading about astral projection and similar subjects for about a year now. For the past 3 months I've been reading anything I can get my hands on, on astral projection, and have been practicing it every chance I get, before I go to sleep, when I get home from school sometimes and no one is home, ect. I am able to completly relax my body, and silence my mind to stop the chatter. I am able to effectively enter a trance state and after this state deepens, is where I usualy fall asleep without getting closer to projection.

Besides this, I have had one conscience projection that lasted only several subjects. I didn't use any techniques at all, I was in a trance state, starting feeling heavy, heavy vibrations, and just willed myself very strongly to leave my body threw the brow chakra. This was effective as the 2d blackness behind my eyes gained dept, and I slowly floated twards my ceiling, but then got excited and got pulled back, I went on to expirence the same thing about 2 more times that night.

I have only expirenced the heavy vibrations that time, and about a few others. What is the best way to "induce them" as my best attempts at projecting have occured when I have expierenced the heavy vibrations and rocking feeling. It seams as if I can will them to happen byself, but I am having difficulty. Once they do occur, I am able to make them increase, or ease up a bit to my liking.

Lastly, I have not found a good technique for exiting that has been helpfull for me besides just pure willing myself to exit my body, and imagineing that I am light and that I am slowly floating upward like a baloon. The rope methode does apsolutely nothing for me. I am a wrestler, and clim rope about 3 days a week to improve arm strenght, so I use this to my advantage when trying this technique, but I still never get anywhere with it, and I have great imagination and vizulization skills. Any tips on the rope method?

All comments, tips, help, and advice is very much apricated and I thank you in advanced for helping further myself in developement twards being able to project willingly

yea next time i wake up like that, im gonna see if i can float heh.

Feeling these entitys, could you always feel them like this before you started ap'ing, as in where you always sensitive to other nonphysical beings? That is really neat. If i was going to bed and felt someone trying to sleep next to me like that, i'd probably bug out haha.  

I've herd over and over that when you sleep or dream i think, you really are projected. Is your astral body just right by your physical the whole time? when i've herd that said, I always thought that our astral body was just roaming around the astral planes without awarness. But im guessing to be able to feel entitys like that, then your astral body is in the RTZ next to your body?

A few times while in a deep trance, I've felt some feelings around my legs, kind of like the covers on top of me are moving in some way, like if they where being scrunched up over and over again if that makes sense, but just ignored it. Was that just vibrations or do an entity?

Sometimes I feel the same thing. I think its becasue its around the time your body is seperating, and its not that your not breathing, but that you can still hear your breathing, but cant feel it anymore from your physical bodies point of view.

Hmm, it might be uncomfortable but you cant get physicaly injured in that kind of setting, I would just say to grit your teeth and just go with it, before you know its about to set in just tell yourself your gonna just ignore it and go with the flow.  sounds like the last few momemts before you split from your physical body.

Good luck with that Patrik, hope you figure everything out.

How do you know if an entite is around you while you are sleeping [be it bad and tryint to take energy, or just a good one hanging around]?

Recently within the past week or two, sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night without even realizing it at first. Its kind of like im dreaming, then i guess my only way to explain it is that it shifts from unconscience dreaming, to me in my bed looking up at my celing, thinking about the dream i just had. Its like the next thing I know im thinking with my eyes open about a dream i jsut had. I cant remember how i woke up in the first place, or what just happened a few seconds ago, i just check the time and go back to sleep. Now that i think about it after writing it down, is it possible im having spontainous projections at night? thatd be nice heh =]  I'll have to check next time it happens.  but good luck, I hope you get to the base of this whole mask and suit thing, and when you do, let us know

This is the most someone has ever explained to me how things look and with the realitys. it sounds awsome.

quote:I can however say that I was once accidentally entering the home of this spirit in some kind of reality... talked to him briefly... Was going to go through the window outside... however I did not have pants nor a shirt on at the time... And apparently he thought going outside without it was a bad idea, so handed me pants and a shirt... So I guess they can change clothes if they want to

LOL

quote:I have for instance twice run into a sort of demon looking like an "imp". These are more annoying than anything, about the height as to my throat, walks with back bent down a little... green, humanoid... Both times I have met such a being, it has bitten my hand when holding on to him.

What did it feel like when it bit you? I've herd all sorts of stuff for compating other entities like conjurations, imagining up weapons, or simply just ignoreing them and they will get bored and leave you alone.  As for the me getting scared part, dont worry about that, i've read alot about crazy attacks and such but it doesn't mantter, im very determined to master astral projection, and i wouldn't let a simple emotion stop me.

Have you ever tried visiting someone who passed away? If so could you have conversations with them, did they remember you?

what about past lives. Have you ever been able to veiw your past lives while oob.

One last question lol, how old are you? and where are you from? I myself and 17.

Sorry, I didn't mean to change this tread away from your original topic. but again, thanks for all of the information you've been giving me, its only fueling my desire to be be able to project.  How long after you had your very first projection where you able to have much more control over it?  and what technieques do you personaly use. Thanks!

Hey, im in the middle of his book right now, its amazing. im gonna try that technique tonight. I have yet to have an obe but have gotten vary close.  Im just affriad of doing that technique and then falling asleep, and not waking up to the vibrations, and more or less wasting a practice session that i could be using to master other techniques.

Have you explored the higher astral planes yet?  if you have i'd love to hear about it.

There are 7 astral planes, with subplanes in each one, but is there something even higher the the 7 planes? As in, do the 7 planes really just compose a sub plane in an even higher level, or state of being?

Have you ever tried to show the entites or spirtis the higher levels? like explore with them.

also im still curious as to what they look like. you said like people. like regular human behinds? are they in color with different clothes? do they always look the same, with like the same clothes on? and when you first met you and they'd attack you, how would they go about attack you?

wow man what you just wrote blew me away. I've never herd anything like that from anyone, its awsome.  So you can have like friends that are spirits in the astral.

Do they understand that your from earth in the physical? or do they just see you as someone who passes by to say high once in awhile lol [since you can only ap for so long.]

so can these spirits or entities watch us as we are in the physical? like observe into the physical, or RTZ and watch our daily activity?

When you talk about their vibration rate, how can you tell how fast/slow theirs are? can you just feel it?

have you ever asked them questions like about god, or higher existences?

quote:They do know they are dead, and did not seem to understand how one could not know it when I first asked them.

what do you mean? that they dont understand why someone could not realize they where not living?


sorry for all the questions, i have so much to learn! I love reading about people's expireances in the astral and rtz.

are the entities people that are in the "inbetween stage" after death that havn't come back yet?  

im guessing you see them in the astral planes and not the rtz right?

thats awsome man. I cant wait until im good enough to really be in full control of obe's and projecting

do you keep a dream journal? writing in mine helps me remember all things dream/obe related

Did he just write that one or something?  I was going to order it from amazon but they said it was a "rare" book that would take 2-3 months to ship!!!  

i cant wait that long heh. Instead i got "Adventures beyond the body" by Buhlman. anyone read that one yet? i herd its pretty good. its just not as big as astral dynamics []which held me over for a few weeks heh

Thanks for the help btw, i dont know anyone who can consciencely project, only me and a freind who are intrested in it. Other then that all i have are books. speaking of that i finnaly finnished astral dynamics and "Adventures beyone the body" by Buhlman.

Actually, about the 99percent thing, it feels like i haven't made any progress in a couple of weeks. Its like i platuead once i was able to reach the trance state.  I can always reach the trance state, and hold it for awhile as long as i dont make it too deep, thats when i lose awarness and fall asleep.  These past two days I started practince the "NEW" stuff, and rasing my energy before I enter the trance which seams to help.

Anything you recommend just to give me "a little push" to help improve further?  I practice every single night before i go to sleep, because of my schedule i cant pracitce during the day.

another thing about the vibrations, is that when i first would get them, and it was new to me, i could feel for them, induce them, and strengthem them. now, the second i get the vibrations i start thinking such as "yes, finnaly i got the vibrations"  or  "good, im getting closer"  and it wakes me up and i lose them. Im working on just being able to control my thinking when they come. thats the only time when i cant control my thoughts. because so far i've become extremly well at that.

thanks again!

Oh thats cool. Did he ever explain to you why he got mad when you tried to take the mask off?

what does he look like?  

just curious again, im still in the early development for obe's

im just curious, why would you befriend a neg?

I know exactly what you mean about what your seeing.  For me its almost the same way. When I look at something, its like it gives off an outline or a shadow. Its something that if i dont pay attention too, i wont notice it, but its always there in the background.

also same to the person who said something like "a soup of particles"  i always see them zooming around and swirling toghether.

as for your hand, sounds like energy blockage

spinning like as if you where standing up and spinning in circles?

What helps me is just ignoreing it. If you stop to think and analize what you are feeling and expirencing, your session will end.

Just ignore it. Acknolige that its there, but pay no attention to it, just let it be, let it run its course.