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you can't do it bcuz you don't believe it's possible. pure & simple!!!
manifestation is not as easy as thinking "I" want this to happen NOW. it doesn't work that way. you're ideas about intent & WILL power are far, far off. as far away as the moon "appears" to be!

i'm not just picking on you...this is most people's perspective. trapped in belief. limited by what they THINK is going on. i've spent some time on the moon, but that bares no point here. part of spiritual evolution to me is knowing what starving really is. it's also knowing what absolute darkness is. it's a lot of things. you are headed down a very "particular" but well trodden path that you are very CORRECT won't led to the moon or being able to exist without food & water, or money, or anything else that is vital on that route.

you might agree that a certain aspect of yourself (aka your soul/spirit) will continue on after you have left your body. if this is "possible" for you to imagine. i would suggest working backwards from that. it might prove easier to move out of that conventional trench. we are merely matter. all things are...what is so difficult to understand?!? breatharians "breath" in their nutrition. that shouldn't be any more off the wall then absorbing it at will, or absorbing it through your stomach lining, etc. but i don't want to get into the scientific aspect of it all. it's radical enough already.

seems if people want to eat food fine, but long term they should at least be thinking how to keep the good food around. it pisses me off that people put so much stock in eating, but care not about genetic modification, or monsantos poisonous operations, and all the rest of the garbage that's replacing real food. that we can't support the beef industry without taking over other countries forests, clearing-cutting them out to feed an ever burdening system. so we can have our mcmeals. there are too many people to feed. breatharianism seems part of the natural evolution and something to look at seriously...otherwise we'll just keep insisting that food is a necessity until there isn't any left!

sort of insulted that you'd push the "textbook" stuff. 80% water and all that. this is a discussion BEYOND that. i think...personally. we all understand what our function HAS been...we're talking about the possibilities of what it COULD be.

again REACH
soul

What fools these mortals be.

Tanta stultitia mortalium est.

i promised i wouldn't forum hop before getting a few things done for myself this morning first, but...seeing as it's not 6am like i assumed it was...and really 2am i guess i've got some extra "time" (another interesting topic we give so little thought too, and yet so much control).

i wanted to apologize. not for my perspective, but for just how the words come off some times. i'm not some all-together creature that is withholding secrets, and thinking myself holier than thou, as was discussed elsewhere earlier. i'm just a girl in the world. surviving pretty much as GOD (heh) said. i just really think we could step it up a few notches! that it's not only something we can afford, but something dire that must be done...this putting aside of beliefs to create room for something new. we can put them aside w/out losing them. w/out losing ourselves.

so much time is wasted butting heads (i feel), squashing ideas, and holding ground. what else could we be doing with that energy? we ARE beings of manifestation! we have soooo much more power than we can possibly imagine (obviously)! we need to step up the game if we're to survive. we've ceased evolving here...and we WILL see the repercussions of that sooner than we "think". i'm not speaking of technology, it's surpassed us in leaps 'n' bounds as we stand around scratching our heads. we really don't have a clue in total, and that's where we need to start...humbling ourselves first.

just yesterday i was mentioning to a friend how perfect everything is that's natural...like the human body! how perfectly complete. it doesn't require fuel, or batteries, or upgrading...and it's capable of infinite things.
it runs itself (thank GOD), and we really are the worst betrayers of this gift. when "we" THINK we are doing all that we can. when we draw the line of what we are capable of. i know enough of my own conditioning to understand that NONE of us are qualified to make those assessments. when we put that "out there" that's what we are manifesting.

i want to see it change. i do. i am suddenly very focused on self-discipline, and abstinence, and pushing the boundaries, and i would love to see that become a movement of the people. i guess "breatharian" is a part of that. it's time we stop thinking about the "impossible" and start thinking about the "possible". time we stop talking about what we can't handle, and start demonstrating what we can! for ourselves...not to PROVE ourselves.

all in all i just want everyone to be acknowledged, and never feel that they're wrong or out of the loop. that's RE-ACTION.
i want to just keep the action part going.

this has turned out to be a wonderful thread.
thanx froggie, and all who have replied!!! including me
blessed EARLY morning by the way!
CARPE FxxKING DIEM!!!

holy cr@p orion...why don't you mind your own business!!! i'm so tired of having to tell you this over & over again...get a clue! get a grip! move on already, and stop making everything about you!!!!!
mwaahahaha
oh!...
that's not what u meant was it?!?

Dear Ybom, nice to see another that can "really" think outside the box.
yeah...in another 100 years...people will be debating about those little stumps underneath them. most will insist they're stabilizer bars to keep from falling off the couch, and a few freaks will actually try and proclaim they can be used to move around!

this whole we NEED food thing is weird!

To Stevo & vsskye...do you think that's air you're breathing?!?

REACH
:arrow:Soul

seems you back paddled on a few things, and this confused me. i'll have to reread both your posts again and attempt to decipher?!? by the way i said, "i do understand where you're coming from".

i brought up the US bcuz that's where we live...correct?
i don't live in russia. i prefer to work with what i've got.
would seem a tad arrogant of me to pull apart another country when this one is so messed up.

what i thought you were trying to say is that people that live in downtown manhattan, or L.A., or middle america (on a whole) are just as spiritually together as australian aborigines, bushman, darhad, babongo, or adi people to name a very small few. i also thought that you were comparing survival situations?!? i'm sorry, but as long as you're responding to this post "online", and can grab a cold one from the fridge, nuke yourself up some popcorn, throw in a dvd, take a nice hot shower, and crawl into your comfy bed...i don't think you truly have the understanding to compare yourself to these tribes, and to intelligently consider them part of the "big" problem.

the problems you speak of of other large countries is not a problem of the people. it's a problem involving big corporate business. so it seems we should then move on to other subjects...(although i still thought the horse meat one was more on the level for this forum)...now we're getting into some weighty issues like over-population, and the 1%'s new world views of getting rid of 2/3 of it.

either way that subject is pretty much out of our hands, but what should we expect...we are afterall just trying to survive.

love soul

dear great,

i have a bit a hard time taking your opinion seriously...that as humans we're all just doing our best to survive. first of all in the US a good portion of that 99% are mindless mass-consuming pigs that play a huge role in devastating your so-called "great outdoors" faster than you can comprehend. i don't care if they drink bottled water, and get their emission stickers validated annually, very few of them know the first thing about "survival". they should. they will, but as for now...they don't.

how many people do you know have solar panels on their houses? own hybrid vehicles? have a vegetable garden? hunt or fish for food & not fun? or even turn off their G-damn lights when they walk out of a room???

i use to work with a survival camp in canada for trouble youth. outdoor survival is a GREAT PASSION of mine, and i've watched it transform many a person & wake them up. that's besides the point, but i can't agree that waking up each morning and mindlessly dragging ones butt through each day, surrounded by escapes, conveniences & luxury...is anywhere near the same thing as remote cultures who chop wood & carry water (etc).
(good book by the way...if you ever get the chance).

and by the way...it was james who brought up the term "third worlders", but i don't think he coined it either?!?

as for regular meals, good medical care, and a solid roof...you my friend are biased. that's what started the mess in the first place. when civilized people agreed that all the primitives should be rescued & saved, and somehow that turned into exploit, plunder & pillage.

i stand by what i said originally. i understand what you're saying & where you're coming from, but it's inside the box thinking, and that's just not my thing. i'm more than happy to be dropped off in the middle of nowhere and utilize all that i know to survive, but this...here...day-to-day stuff. i'm over that kind of survival! sorry.

soul

i think the other practice is called "entertainment"?!?

LOL, and I'm your typical Virgo. Always in the wrong place at the right time. The one standing in the middle of the battle never believing that anyone would really want to shoot "me". Torn between reuniting opposing sides, and bandaging soldiers back together, but somehow when the dust settles I find I'm all alone?!? And I'm definitely a creature of special service, so anytime you're ready for that nice warm pie ( )...let me know.
Forget the ice cream, you're right.
I'll have a big bowl of clotted cream waiting instead!!! A bathtub full!

LOVE SOUL

in time i think you begin to understand that entertainment is fear based rubbish. i've worked hand-in-hand with enough advertising agencies to know that fear is the number one seller. actually much more powerful then sex even! although to me sex falls into the same category.
it's all hype. and we all buy into it at some stage or another.

don't see much sense in pointing a finger at only one small stitch of the entire woven fabric of it all.

LOL Star...that's cute!

dear james as always a pleasure!
well it's very late here, and i don't know where i was going with my last post, except...all over the place. the tables can be reversed all day long, and i guess that would be my point. i've taken as much as i can get my hands on, and a hell of a lot of the essence of the things i can't...and i've thrown into some huge pie that's my perspective. and maybe it tastes funny, and it definitely doesn't work in small slices. it's a appreciation one develops over time (with ice cream!) your post was reasonable, and i agree. i don't see a lot of demonstration of humbleness on the whole though. who knows what's put in place to guide us individually?!? i just know that it never stops, and that i try never to settle into conclusions.

i don't want to waste time fighting. the way i am here. is the way i am. i'm not someone different when i'm away from the computer, or under attack. i'm the same.  i'm not putting on a bunch of various masks to keep it all separate, and i don't think the energy that proceeds me is ignorant.

and yes lola...pretty much "constantly".
there have been plenty of times that i've let go & let god. when have you ever ended one of your posts to me in a kind or apologetic way? apologetic at least for the misunderstanding. go ahead and search for one...i would very much like to be proven wrong on this. it would be the one time you could corner me into admitting that "it was all in my head".

soul

hey james

hope you don't have a problem with me addressing your post.
while we're all waiting for nay to soak everyone. is kind of exciting...
all this sudden drama.

as y'all know i have been subject to attacks...yes!
as well i have been depressed, been on meds, sought professional help, and been in the company of some actual demons. no i prefer NOT to prove it, and nor does anyone really want the proof!!!

i'm very troubled by this idea...that people under attack limit their thinking and solutions. it bothers me greatly in fact. i will speak for myself, but i know this is common place for the fellow "attackees" i share insight with. i  am constantly doing a 3-60 when it comes to overall, all encompassing spirituality & well-being. i am consumed with it...bettering myself. always. strengthening myself constantly. i find it very insulting that without knowing me personally people would jump to the conclusion that i'm a neg junkie! that's an insult on my intelligence. i am not attacked bcuz i am hooked. i'm not attacked bcuz i'm bad, i'm not attacked bcuz i'm different. period!

as for proving that demons exist...where is the proof that god exists?
i know that demonic possession is documented in both the old & new testaments, as well as gnostic writings, and a host of other ancient manuscripts...not that that's proof mind you. i know that there are actual
practicing exorcists in the vatican. seems like the profession wouldn't exist if the possessions didn't exist.
msgr. corrado balducci, is the vatican's chief exorcist, and every diocese is supposed to have at least one priest qualified in exorcism who has been personally authorized & appointed by a diocesan bishop. so it's not like i'm asking anyone to take MY word for it. i know my truth, and i know what i've been through...and i use to say that i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy...but lately i'm changing my tune. i think if anything it scares folks straight into alignment, which goes back to my original thought on how insulting it is to think that we haven't learned a great deal in our trials.

this is beside the point...but it's one thing to be a beautiful, peaceful person that stands up and thoughtfully says "no war", but when that person starts believing them self justified to sit down with a vet, and discredit all they've been through...that's a cat of a whole 'nother color. i know nothing about what nay has gone through, but i will assume in the physical it is relatively the same as myself. the best of times/the worst of times...i would never, ever, ever...try to put down or smite what she's gone through, and how she's turned out. id like to think i deserve the same respect. i'm 37 yrs old for christ's sake...not 15! i do have a clue about things. a lot of things!

thanx for the elbow room
soul

ps...i'm sure y'all are getting tired, but...

1) it already was bad form to bring up DK to begin with. that was sad.
2) POM is not DK...if anyone was wondering.
3) i wonder if brucelee realizes what he started?!? maybe we should bring him back to finish...that would seem fitting.

well...seems this joint is still open for comments, and y'all know i got a lot of those at the moment, but in all honesty i couldn't find any fault with POM's last post. save for the anger...but i think anger is healthy, and after all...
he's ticked OFF MYSTIC!

the only thing i really want to say in response to all is this. is how strange i find it that i'm constantly told by both Nay & RL to mind my own business, and not jump into conversations...but from what i've seen since i've joined AP that's all the both of you do!?! double-standards i guess. no wonder robert moved on (aside from the obvious)...he's goal in helping others, not in mascoting a forum for power-tripping mod's.
i don't know...most of the time i don't have too much of a problem with you guys. i know i don't follow the two of you around here discrediting all you say. seems like i just try to give honest advice & help where it's sought...and you two always wind up coming round to me. that's all.

actually i'm more interested in Orion's reactions to all this.
(who me?  )
first...a difference of opinion is no reason to lock a thread down. imho. you've been wanting it shut down for a while now. why haven't you moved on to other topics? why do keep coming back? anyway...that's not important, but what is important is that people have the freedom to say how they feel. both sides. no harm done...all just a bunch of words, right?
words are kept pretty cheap here, otherwise...i'd agree we had a problem. you're young, and i hope you have a flawless life without any bumps...but that's not usually the case. i hope more that when you find yourself in a situation where you feel passionately about some wrong doing...you have the ability, freedom, and strength to stand your ground and fight for what you think is right.

i guess i'm saying that your little comments in between the posts are of little value, and that sounds terrible i know...but if you aren't on a side. why get involved? why get into the middle of something you don't agree with? again...the answers aren't for me to know.

energy is good. all different kinds of energy. we're not talking about guns here. no one is chasing anyone else around with a weapon. we're just talking. well...i think we're all just talking...but in this forum i'm use to being told i'm wrong. who knows what's going on exactly?!?
watch it play out...that's the interesting part.

man...it was suppose to endearing, the thing about the super soaker guess you're on the defense and missed "my" humor!?! i'd say something about dishing it out, and not being able to take it, but with the mood yer in...i'm not sure you'd think it was funny also.

you are never short of wise-cracks, puns, rolling eye icons, and other little slights...it's just an observation.
like you said some things never change.

as for asking what your niche was. i was serious. maybe i'm at fault for not skulking around behind your every post, but i've seen a lot of two-bit, poke-fun-at-the-miserable type comments, but haven't seen much in the way of personal sharing. i notice stuff like that. i'm into functions. just want to know first hand from the horse's mouth what your function was in particular (from what i've read...honestly...it's a difficult one to figure out).

no you don't have to bare your soul here (of all places), but i welcome those who do. i welcome that depth of character. you don't have to always be serious, but sometimes people need more than a smiley to help them gain insight. i don't know. you know me...nothing personal. like i said i wasn't attacking, nor did i feel attacked. as far as i know this still an open forum and myself & POM have a right to comment on whatever is put up for discussion. if you're above it all...you wouldn't respond.

and yes i do consider myself to be an expert in PSD, just as much as robert (aamof). still i use the word 'expert' lightly, since believe it or not my ego isn't as out of control as you believe it to be. i wasn't jumping on POM's wagon with torch in hand, but you see what you want to see.

if i remember correctly...the last piece of advice you were so willing to share with me personally (with RL on your little wagon) was to leave this forum!

Please take Runlola's suggestion and move on. Let's see how good you are at taking a hint when it is presented in a matter of a fact way.

Nay

'nough said.
333

again...misinterpreted. np.
wasn't "attacking" you.

i miss the lily tomlin quote

no my sweet....magicK is what is marketed to those who have no real understanding of the ancient principles!

you can retaliate at will, but don't ask me to explain bcuz it's just too silly!!!
magic with a k is like kym, and phat, and brittany spears in leather.
it's hype for kids and wanna-be's...but that's awfully harsh of me isn't it?!?  

think whatever you want. that's kule.
soul

nay is rubber...she is the epitome of water off a ducks back. i've been here a while and i have yet to see her get roused about 'anything', which is just as strange as some of the folk here that get roused about 'everything'.   one thing i do have to say is you (nay) are not very skilled at "defusing situations"...you're like the chick that thinks it fun to bring a super-soaker full of jet fuel to the bon-fire. i mean as far as being a mod is concerned...there is something    about your energy.  

i am curious (and this is addressed to nay in particular)...what your specialty here is? what you would consider yourself experienced in? ap? obe's? magic? general spirituality? it's definitely not PSD that's fer sure.
but seriously...what would you say you bring to the table?

and for vsskye?!? i um...well, asking POM if he's depressed & sought help...that's like wanting to take a doctors temperature, because he's hungry. basically it's not relevant to the situation. way past all that, but i'll let him speak for himself. just a word of warning that of course in way 'needs' to be heeded...but when you enter this area without any first hand experience, and start tossing out solutions and antidotes...be prepared for attack. it's only fair y'all get a sample of what you're interested in.

peace soul

Kazbadan/Ybom & James:
Have enjoyed the last few posts very much; guess bcuz I'm a "Middle of the Row" type gal. I agree for the most part...you gotta follow your gut (pardon the pun), but don't let that gut take over, or get too damn lazy.

I don't know much about this Jasmuheen person. I'll have to do some reading. I have a lot of issues with guru in general.
JZ Knight really bothers me as well.

Funny Kaz...you brought up horse meat. I'm not sure most people here are acquainted with the delicacy, but it brings up an interesting change of topic...to lighten the morbidness of hunger (or maybe not).

What are people's opinions about eating alternative forms of meat?
I've tried just about everything from seal to silkworms, rattlesnake, dog, bear...i'd be surprised if someone could out do me on this one. The worst experience was my uncle's "fluffy bunny" cacciatore. I've eaten a lot of rabbit, but the trauma was actually in playing with them all day first (thinking they were pets) and then seeing them run around the yard skinned and headless!    Needless to say I fasted that night.

I was a vegetarian for ten years...just to note.

Q: is if you eat cow, are you opposed to eating horse? if you eat chicken, do you see any problem with eating squirrel? etc, etc.

Just interested
Soul

i always look forward to your particular perspective dear james.
yes it's very much something to think about. i wasn't trying to come off as holier-than-thou.

it's discomforting the extremes between the haves & have-nots, and on top of that (even more disturbing) that "westerners" have such a "victimized", slave-type, pity me mentality on the whole. i've been thinking about that a lot lately...how that happened? where it comes from? but that's another thread.

yes it's sad that people should be starving "to death", but my personal perspective has always tended to place those so-called "third world" cultures & it's people above whatever the hell we're doing as "civilized" people. mostly bcuz they function closer to nature, magic, faith, family, community, etc. they haven't over-complicated everything. of course there are pockets of those who are more than willing to exploit that simplicity to their own personal gain, but i don't exactly know what to do about that?!?

yes i suppose the average westerner would consider them-self privileged to be able to shove food & drink into down their gullet wherever & whenever they feel like...but i don't see that as better off or more advanced. i don't see where this race toward convenience aids us in ascension.

someone that walks a few miles for potable water instead of turning on a tap or cracking open a bottle, someone that has to build a fire (make fire) to cook instead of turning a knob, someone that works from sun up to sun down using the light 'when it's available', rather than flipping a switch, and those that take seriously the value of herbal medicine, bcuz the nearest hospital is a five day WALK...for some reason in my mind those people seem much better off to me. i don't think anything will change my mind on that. some of those people might very well be self-motivated, but it's out a need for survival. as westerners we are more "self-absorbed", and pretty much i believe without reason.

fasting is very much a part of heightening ones self. that can't be denied. so too is abstinence in other forms & the path of self-discipline.
it absolutely doesn't hurt in this "new rome". i'm not too much into defending my mind set this morning. so i'll leave off by saying that so many people never push themselves outside that "comfort zone" to learn anything new. even in regards to the astral...westerners are not one to appreciate the work or struggle involved to gain insight.
it's all based on immediate gratification & escape.

you didn't mention whether you've ever fasted at all?!?
& how it made you feel?
soul

Our bodies are very much ready for this move away from food, and interestingly enough...it coincides with there not being much food available; little with any nutritional significance left that is. We're basically being fed overly-refined, empty caloric kibble. Keeps us very 3-D.

I think that Ybom's last post sums up the general mentality. That it would seem more plausible if one were given just as good a distraction to replace food. So what is food, if not a distraction?!?
I always find it interesting in "alternative minded" areas such as this, that the majority of people are so conventional in their thinking. How difficult it seems to get around such a simple concept. Forgetting how powerful the mind can be in manifestation. Of course it isn't true, if you don't believe it.

I'd be interested to know how many people that have responded to this thread have "fasted", how long, and the outcome of thoughts on that?

I'll go first: Longest Fast: 21 days
During which I felt more alive, more energetic then I ever have. Increased senses/metabolism/awareness & psychic ability.

333

that was a tad harsh. would be nice if that was a prerequisite, but from what I've come across in the astral...immaturity reigns over large portions of it...and don't tell me that's just what i want to see. i see a lot, but maturity has very little to do with it (unfortunately as i  said). i grew up in the astral, so i've seen it from very many mind-sets, and feel i have enough experience to back up my opinions. what's that mean? not much, except that believing it's all in your head, although it simplifies it...isn't going to do you any good in the long run, especially if you ever do find yourself under attack.

my opinion is you should have gone with it. as i mentioned in the post at my forum...this breed of shadow people could very well be a residual energy from past versions of yourself that can in essence be viewed as an 'astral family' of sorts. they just happen to play strange instruments you aren't use to, and break into a the ya-ya song when they see you taking steps towards attuning. there are other forms of shadows that can be more harmful, as i mentioned, but i wouldn't worry yourself with them for now.

i'm not an advocate for the educational system, but some people go to college and end up working at mcdonald's, or wind up drinking themselves to death at some frat party...but that shouldn't stop you from going. some people get killed in car accidents, but millions of others don't, etc. it's the same thing...the astral is too much fun, has too much to offer, that you should be afraid of the horror stories...and this is coming from someone that has lived some of the worst. some of the things i've seen would make average people insane, but i'm still alive...and still exploring the astral frontier with great enthusiasm. on the other-hand i have also been through some experience here on earth that would destroy most people, and i'm still going strong here as well.

in that sense i do think this has to do with maturity. i have no idea how old you are, but over time you learn that the good and bad are mixed together pretty evenly, and it's all in how you decide to look at it. youth kinda get out-of-hand with the dramatics of it all (imho), and i'm pretty much over stroking their little egos. no offense. it's just important to keep a level head, but that comes with age and experience.
you can't tell someone to be sensible.

neg's are different to me (than shadow folk), but i'll leave that for later.

if are as interested as you seem to be i'd try checking out some of the abduction forums...those might be more along the lines of what you're looking for?!? if you're gathering different perspectives, those ones are always particularly interesting. i have my own experiences with abduction, but i'll leave that area for others to elaborate on.

good luck in figuring it all out
soul

p.s. for all it's worth. i don't think anyone gets anywhere in the astral, or in this life here on earth...by being afraid.

does sound a little strange coming from a "psychic" vampire. as in something you feel and can't see. energy manipulation should naturally lead to the manipulation of matter. i feel it would be a worthwhile step for you to explore...leading into a more complete function and a better understanding of the universe on a whole. i'm not trying to be arrogant. i know a lot of pranic vampires and they all have this strange habit of thinking themselves the center of everything. 'most' people do that as a matter of fact, and i'm not here to judge if it's good or bad. i just see it as a 'limited' perspective. i'm sure you are already aware of what works for you, and what works against you, and being a witch is no different, except we 'play' with it more, exchange sides, experiment with the ingredients sort-a-speak, and when you really get into that space (over time)...eventually you move yourself out of the equation all together.

it's amazing what can be accomplished when you stand in the center with intent and purpose. it's even more amazing what you can accomplish when can let go and get out the way. there's a power where you stand right now, but it's controlled in great part by a 'need'. it's difficult to explain but i feel it's vital information...so i'll try.

the center gives you a point of reference from which to measure all things. without a reference point it is impossible. this "measuring" thing that people do (everyone), has to do with ego, which i won't get into, but it's an act of "separation". it's viewing everything which is "not" you, and measuring it "against" yourself (or more usually measuring yourself against "everything" else). it is very much useful in our effort to grow up here, but it must at some point be put aside if one is to move on into something more mature. ideally it should eventually lead to the understanding that "all is one", but the programming we subject to interferes greatly...never being able to let go of this idea of "myself" (the "I" in the center) for 'better' or for 'worse'.

the point is the center isn't off limits. it's just that people (humans) are only taught to work with a fragment of it (like our minds). the act of moving away from it can be equated to someone that has lived in the same house their entire lives and never gone anywhere. there's nothing 'wrong' with that of course, but there view of the world is skewed. if that person was to take a trip around the world and then move back into that same house...the function there would be increased dramatically, and that's all i'm saying. the center is not a bad place to work from, but when you can move out it and find you are in fact everything that surrounds you and not separate, then you can move back into it with a higher understanding of how it all works...and lighting a candle with nothing but your intention is as easy as breathing. and the universe opens up it's doors to you and there is no end to what you can accomplish.

of course that's just a feeling. i'm still experimenting with ingredients
no matter what you work with just keep pushing it, playing with it, experimenting, and having fun.
there's nothing more disturbing then conclusions (imho).

love soul

dear Dj,

i'm guessing it was my post that was difficult to understand?!? it's hard for me to simplify something as broad as vampirism, and when subtle energies and the daily grind is thrown in...i suppose i have a tendency to bounce around.

i also think i may have miscommunicated my function to you. i'm not a vampire...more of a slayer (if there has to be a title), and i'll leave it at that to stay on point. you asked about consequences and yes there are many, and it still goes back to service-to-self (STS) and service-to-others (STO).
i use those terms because they generalize everyone. it's as close as i can get to black and white, good and evil and not get too caught up in the details, which i have a tendency to do.
STS people function more along the line of animals. survival of the fittest/predator & prey/fight or flight type functions, and i have very little problem with this to be honest...if it's kept simple and basic. now days (however) it's not a simple function. when a person uses their intelligence to "fix" a situation, and "manipulate" their environment to their advantage, and their motivation is completely STS...it generates a new animal, a new form of predator. if these animals are allowed to band together, make the rules and draw the plans then the average folk that mindlessly go along; go throughout their days (unconcerned)...they're all in trouble.
there is something called a "lack of response agreement" (which i won't get into the depths of it's existence, but)...as simple as it is...if you don't read the fine print, don't do your research and don't respond to the situation...you are in fact agreeing to it whole-heartily, and w/out negotiation.

i know i've probably lost you again. basically STO's need to step up their game to keep the STS's in check. thankfully not as many STO's are needed to keep the balance (but that's another discussion).

sometimes i like to place complicated situations on tiny islands. so with the idea that there are 5 people ship wrecked in the middle of nowhere, and one of them is a pranic vampire...what is the result of that 'long term'? people that are surrounded by negativity eventually get sick, once their stores of vital energy are broken down and leeched from them. they also fall into negative behavior themselves. for some people this happens quickly...for others they resist as long as possible. you have your typical 'lord of the flies' scenario at hand. what happens when the prey is all used up, or when everyone is converted to STS for survival purposes? it goes through another round of predators attacking predators, turning on their own...till the fittest one is left....ALONE! i'm not saying there aren't powerful properties to being STS, and in this new world...i can't say that it doesn't work...because it very much does. the idea that if you want to get to the top of the success ladder in the established world...you have to be 'dog-eat-dog' and 'blood-thirsty' is true, but once you get "there" what's left??? for christ's sake...there are reality show made about this very situation; about the last man standing 'wins'. there aren't any 'successful' shows about everyone banding together and making it work for everyone involved. pleasant, cooperative and functional...is boring in the new world.

i think all this has a lot to do with killing off every natural predator to mankind and skulking through life in a hazy-daze of safety. for this reason, when i look down the road...it all becomes useful again at some point. the new predators leading us back to a higher function within ourselves. for that i am incapable of placing blame, or calling them evil, or vicious. there is no right or wrong to evolution...just a wonderful weaving of processes and functions that in the end i always trust it will balance itself out.    

not sure any of that helped
but it's a response...none the less.

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GOTHIKA,

funny how i offer another perspective and you try and paint me out as the "bad" vampire. just looking for something a little meatier to bite into. something substantial, unique, fresh...not that same ol' song and dance, and the shielding/blocking tactic. i question anyone that finds me a threat, bcuz i merely push for higher thinking and a flexible frame-of-mind.

as for driving up emotion. i won't take credit for the way you feel, but i will admit that it is my thing to work with feelings. that's the closest to the truth i can hope to get. i'm not feeding off it though. nope, it just hangs in the air waiting for you to process it, digest it, transform it into something more usable. i'm not into having to swallow whatever is spit out in front of me. doesn't do me any good whatsoever. obviously i've pushed a few buttons, and for that i'll apologize, but it isn't my "misunderstanding", or lack of support that upsets you...whatever dis-ease you experience in reflection is coming from inside your own house. maybe you should take a second to isolate that and inspect it?!? or not. i'm not sure what point you were trying make in your original post...just feeling my way around.

there are hundreds of vamp-friendly forums out there for support and glorification...but the post was made here and in the arena of "energy body development" and i wondering if there was some avenue you wanted to explore in particular?

there's nothing "wrong" with asking for clarification. there's nothing evil about pushing it back in your direction. if you aren't up for the challenge you can simply ask me to stop posting to "your" thread. maybe you're only looking for an exchange with the inexperienced!?! those that'll write back, "wow. cool. like, can i be one too?!?"
i have much experience, and vampires are a specialty with me...so i understand if you don't want me "engaging" on this subject, but i do find your perspective interesting in general...for instance...

Q: beside the basic free-lunch...what else draws you into that circle? what other benefits does it hold for you? were you one-of-those text-book cases...the misunderstood, powerless, mysfit that found solace in some gothic gaggle? or do you feel a calling that is instinctively unique? has this lifestyle created some sort of balance in your life, or does it make it all the more black & white??? what does being a "pranic vampire" inspire in you? what's the greatest thing it's ever motivated you do (in the service of others), and...what's the most disturbing and un-ethical thing it's generated within??? give us something to chew on

or push me out...whichever.
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