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This is posted directly from my OBE Journal.

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I had two this morning, but I don't hardly remember them.  

I remember with the first one that I rolled out of my body, and walked into the front room of my house.  My main intention was to find my guide.  I started shouting "GUIDE!  GUIDE!"  It was funny to hear my voice, but it sounded relatively normal.  I headed for the door and decided to walk through it.  I remember thinking, "The first person I see when I get out there, I'm going to ask him about my guide."

I walked outside and it was pretty light out.  No one was around though.  I kept looking, thinking that the first person I see could very well BE my guide.

No sooner did I think this when I sports car (mustang, I think) drove up and parked in front of my house.  There was only one man in the car, and he looked either native american or indian.  Clean shaven, young, very fit.  

Then I lost memory.  I think I jumped in the car with him and we started to go someplace, but I don't remember what happened.  Nor do I remember another OBE I had this same morning, right after this one.

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I'm such a dork!  You should have seen me, walking around my house shouting, "Guide!  Guide!"  Hehehe.

One very important thing I want to ask to all you experienced projectors.....Do you find that the MORE OBE's that you have, the harder it is to sometimes remember them?  For example, when I was first starting to have them, I remembered them very clearly.  But after having more than one hundred now, sometimes it's so natural that I forget a lot of details.  Of course, lately I've had my experiences in the early morning hours where I just go back to sleep afterwards.  This definetly affects the memory recall of the experience.

Does this happen to anyone else, where you've had so many OBE's in the past that the experience sometimes gets dulled and you don't remember them as clearly as your earlier ones?



Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash, Founder and Editor
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I thought you all would get a rise out of this article.  I like how it says, "A new study suggests these "out-of-body" and "near-death" experiences may be influenced by a portion of the brain misfiring under stress."

I don't know about you, but I am usually quite relaxed when I have my OBE's!

Read the article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34725-2002Sep18.html


Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash, Founder and Editor
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Hello all,

My biggest problem isn't so much getting OUT of my body.  My problem is deciding what to do when I'm out!  

This morning, I got out and basically walked into my kitchen.   My lucidity was good, but my mind was racing full of thoughts.  "Should I go outside and see if I can talk to a neighbor?  Should I ask to communicate with my guide?  Should I try to contact someone in the Astral Pulse message board?"

This is a recurring problem with me.  I always seem to get out of my body right where my physical one is laying.  I also always appear to be in a familiar place (like my house, a childhood home, etc).  Does anyone else have this "indecisive problem"?  I think I read somewhere that if you close your eyes and spin while in the astral, it will take you to place.  However, I have a feeling this closing of eyes and spinning will cause me to lose control of my experience and I'll be back in my body.

Any ideas as to what we can do once we are "out"?  I would like to talk to some astral entity, but usually, I never see any.  I used to think "Man, once I get ot of body, I'm going to visit this person, and that person, and this country, and that country, etc."  However, once I am out, I seem to just soak up the experience and sit there!  Like flying on top of my roof and smiling at the beauty of everything!  How cheesy!


Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash, Founder and Editor
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I know I'm still the new guy here, but I just updated my profile with my latest webcam picture.  Not the greatest quality (or pose), but then again, I wasn't expecting to use it as my profile pic either!

I just always think it's neat to see what the people look like who you interact with.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_big.gif" border=0>


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Jeff Mash, Founder and Editor
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That probably depends on how you judge "time" itself.  When you are projecting, time doesn't really exist.  It's when you return that your linear, logical brain starts trying to estimate the time you were away.

As an example, you could have a projection which seems to last an hour....only to return and see that the physical clock says that you've only been gone for 5 minutes.

So I don't really know how to answer the question.  I can tell you, though, that I have had projections where I was fully conscious, and it SEEMED to last about 15-30 minutes.  If I can stay out that long, it's quite an accomplishment.  The majority of projections are shorter, especially for beginners, because you're still dealing with ways to control your thoughts and emotions, which ultimately bring you back to the body.

Ok, I'll throw in my two cents here.  First let me preface by saying that even though I have had traditional OBE's & phasing OBE's, I do not profess to be an expert on this.

First, I'll explain the way I see the difference between a traditional OBE and phasing.  For me, a traditional OBE involves the feeling and separation of exiting the physical body, whether this happens by lifting out, rolling out, sitting up, etc.  There is a physical feeling of separation....sometimes accompanied by the famous vibrations......you may feel a strong, magnetic force which also seems to pull at your astral body until you can get far enough away from the physical shell lying nearby.  This to me is the start of a traditional OBE.

Phasing, on the other hand, bypasses all of that.  Instead of going from darkness to vibes to separation, the person sort of FADES from the darkness right into the astral environment.  As an example, you may start to make out a scene or place that slowly comes into view while your eyes are closed.  Simultaneously, the waking physical world fades out and this new world fades IN.....so that within a few seconds, you are fully immersed in this new, three dimensional world.  That is phasing.

As an example, close your eyes right now.  Then slowly start to open them.  The darkness fades away, and your computer monitor starts to fade into view......until finally, your eyes are completely open, and you are aware of everything around you.  Now you can turn your head and look around, and not only do you see, but you feel your astral head turning, your astral body responding to your thoughts, etc.

Contrary to what MajorTom said above, there is no difference between phasing and the traditional OBE EXCEPT for the exit.  When I get out by phasing, once I am in the environment, I feel every bit as awake, alive, and physical as I do when I exit from a traditional OBE.  There is still a sense of an astral body....you aren't simply a point of consciousness.  I have had these point of consciousness projections before, and that is what I have considered to be a mental projection (of the mind)....since there is no sense of a body involved at all in those.

So back to the original question of this post: what is the difference between a WILD (Wake Induced Lucid Dream) and Phasing?  Nothing!

It all depends on your terminology.  I am a simple minded guy.  I like to stick to the basics when it comes to defining things, and basically, if you are having an experience, and you KNOW that you are dreaming, then you're having a lucid dream.  On the other hand, if you KNOW that you are awake, then it's an OBE/Astral Projection.  Period.

The trouble that people get into is that they try to analyze their experience AFTER THEY COME BACK, and this is where they get into trouble.  Why?  Because after you come back, you start using your physical brain to analyze non-physical esperiences, and the physical brain starts trying to be rational for you.

"Well, you were in your bedroom, but you also saw an elephant in your backyard.  So logically, since this is impossible, I conclude that you were having a dream.  But since you were lucid, then this wasn't a *real* experience, but a very lucid dream."

I don't agree with that line of thinking.  If you are consciously aware of things, then that's it. You have your full conscious mind present with you.  There is no such thing as a dream and a non-dream.  You are always operating at various degrees of consciousness.

Dreams are remembered when you come back from being *asleep*.  OBE's/AP's are remembered DURING the experience, WHILE you are *asleep*.  At that very moment, you know that you know that you know that you're awake and having an OBE somewhere else, away from your body.  If any weird imagery or objects occur while having one of these experiences, it could be a reality fluctuation....something that happens when your imagination gets a little more control than you want it to....and it will either create something very real in that environment, or it will interpret something else incorrectly.

I could go on and on about this, but I don't want to bore anyone (plus I am at work and don't want to get in trouble!).  I hope my explanations help someone.

** Note ** I think I will make this post a separate topic as well, since it's pretty detailed.

Wow, your first experience was a lot better than mine was!  Congrats!  Now you realize why even experienced people such as myself occassionally need to double-check that they are truly out of the body, because everything is so real.

Usually what I do is when I touch my door, like you do, I push a little bit, just to make sure my hand starts to go through it.  Then I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am out!

I also like your description of going through the curtains and walls, because you described it EXACTLY as it feels.  Whenever you pass through anything, you can FEEL it.  There is a slight density that makes you aware that you're passing through something solid.

One last thing....I too have verified on numerous occassions the weird thing that happens to your voice.  I don't know why that is.  Up until now, I always thought it was soft and raspy because our astral vocal chords weren't fully developed (or in tuned).  However, now I am thinking that it's not our voice that is the problem, but our astral hearing which isn't in tuned.  Something to think about!

Anyway, great post.

Hey Shedt,

Looks like you and I are both in the same situation, in more ways than one.  It's almost as if I could have written your original post.

My whole argument to my wife was/is this: "What is the point of baptising the child?"  After all, you should KNOW why you are doing the thing which you are doing.

Most baptisms (especially in the Catholic religion) symbolize, among other things, the dedication of the baby to God.  Not to mention, most Catholic priests won't even baptise you if you are not Catholic, or attend their church.  There are exceptions, of course.

So I have always been a strong supporter of not wanting to baptise my child, for two reasons:  

1) Because I believe that if a person wants to be baptised, then they should be old enough to know what it means and why they are doing it

2) Because I don't want to do something just out of tradition.....because if we're only doing it because "that's the way it's always been done," then what's the point?

However, my very own arguments are starting to work against me.  If, in fact, there really is no point, and it's all just a tradition, then what the hell is the big deal?

So now my thinking is starting to change to this: What is more important, not having my kid baptised and therefore feeling justified in my beliefs, or simply allowing my wife to be happy and do this trivial tradition for the sake of happiness?

I am starting to lean towards the second option.  I know what I believe.  I know the truth as it pertains to my life.  So why not be satisfied in my feelings, and just do this little traditional "baptism" thing?  Even I was baptised as a baby, and you know something?  I can't remember a friggin' thing about it...and neither will your little one.  So in order to spare future arguments and sore spots with the wife, if this is what she *really* wants, then have the comfort of knowing that it really makes no difference to your child.  They will not remember it, and as far as they are concerned, you could be at Burger King and they would be acting the same.

Just my two cents.....it may change as the wife gets more hormonal with her pregnancy!

quote:Originally posted by MajorTom
I have the opposite problem though..namely that I have difficulty gaining speed. In fact, I often struggle with a dual awareness where I feel my physical body, and the one flying at the same time. It's a problem, because if I don't control my thoughts very well, I very quickly find myself back in bed.

Yes I have experienced that before too.  As much as we hate to hear this, the only way to get around this hinderance is practice.  The more familiar you become with it (meaning the more you fail at trying), the more you adapt to it.  Some people can pick it up after the first or second time.  Others may take longer.

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Anything you do or don't do to get to that speed? I think I need some more immersion while flying in the void to keep thoughts of the physical body at bay. Seems fear and speed do the trick for you

I think fear and speed may be related in my case, you're right.  I usually get scared at how fast I go, which ironically, makes me go even faster.

And the opposite has been true in my experiences in the past.  The more calm I am, the more slow (or should I say *controlled*) my speed is.

I think for me, I don't WANT to fly fast, because it can be very disorientating when you literally feel yourself moving at a billion miles per hour.  However, if you do want to travel that fast, to go to the moon, or the other side of the world, I would say that a person needs to remain emotionally detached, but not so much that you become aware of your stationary body back in bed.

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Phasing is something I also do occasionaly, but I only get snapshots, and once again, have difficulty in fully immersing myself in the imagery. A matetr of practice I'm sure.

Yes, I don't plan on it happening, but when it does, it seems extremely easy.  Then when you try to reproduce it afterwards, you're left scatching your head saying, "Why can't I do it now?!"

Tom, that is the same method I use as well, assuming that I exit the body in the traditional OBE fashion and all I experience is the dark void.

It took me a while to master it though, mainly because while in this darkness, I feel as if I am flying a billion miles per hour, and it scares the hell out of me.

But you grow to trust the experience, and once you put the fear aside, you just "look" or "expect" the environment to come and it does.

Another thing I have done in the past while flying super fast in the dark (for what seemed like minutes) was to reach my arms out and imagine them making contact with something.  I usually will feel the ground moving below me, and the contact with my astral arms eventually slows me down to a stop....at which point, the astral scenery usually fades into view, and I am able to explore at that point.

Lately though, I have been having the most success not in the traditional OBE-fashion, but simply phasing into the scene.  No physical exit sensations....simply merging right into the experience.  It works much better for me this way, but occasionally, I won't have a choice, and I'll find myself rolling out of my body the old fashion way.

I have always considered sleep walking (somnabulism) to be a disorder, in the fact that it's not *normal*.

Normally during sleep, your body is incapacitated from your disassociated mind....so your mind can be dreaming that it's in an airplane but your physical body is not aware of it.

With sleep walking, your body is NOT disassociated from the mind, so it will walk around and interact with it's environment, but not be coherant of its physical reality.

As far as this being an advantage to mediumship, I do not know.  I suppose it could be, since both require an altered state of mind.  It would probably depend on how much control the person was able to have in this altered state of mind.  This is why OBE's are so powerful, because even though your mind is altered, you still have 100% control of your thinking brain.

Sleep walkers have 0% control of their thinking brain, but their body is going along for the ride.

Thanks Shedt.  Here's looking to a lifelong enjoyment of parenthood for both of us.

- Jeff

Shedt,

Congrats, man.  You look like such a happy, proud father.  I am right behind your footsteps, expecting my first child in November.  Then I will have to see if I can grin as wide as you did in those pictures!

- Jeff

Don't confuse the RTZ as a place which has to be 100% identical to the physical.  You can project to the RTZ even though there are many things which don't appear "normal."

As an example, a few days ago, I woke up in the middle of the night with a hangover.  Physically woke up, mind you.  This wasn't a projection.  

I had to go pee, but I could barely see, and the walls appeared to be moving, probably because I was so tired and dehydrated.  I could have sworn that the bathroom door was on the other side of the wall for a minute, until I let my brain process the environment a little better!

My point is that even though I was AWAKE, my PERCEPTION was interpreting my environment in an altered way.  This in no way takes away from the fact that I was in the solid, waking world.  Just as when you astrally project into the RTZ, you are still there even if things aren't 100% accurate.  It's just your mental perception at that moment which may not be in synch with your environment.

Now, if you project and you're on a friggin' spaceship or something, you're probably NOT in the RTZ.

Just my two cents.

I agree with Spectral Dragon on this one.  Sounds to me like you transitioned your conscious awareness over to the astral side of things, and this is where the experience took place.

Now you know why people like myself usually have to thrust an arm through a wall or something, just to convince ourselves that we are indeed having an OBE, because it feels more real than "real life."

Congratulations!

Oh, and don't be thrown by the greyness of the environment.  When in the astral, even though it is sunny outside, things can look like nighttime in your OBE, or vice versa.  It's all relative.

quote:Originally posted by rcatania

Thanks Jeff for sharing this with us to demo.
I was wondering if there is any way to paste into it from another program. I use a tablet pc to write notes and can copy from it to clipboard.
Thanks
Rob C

Yes, you can select the text from one program, like Microsoft Word, and paste it into the journal entry section of OBE Journal.  

I usually just hit "Control+C" on the text to copy, and then "Control+P" the text into the OBE Journal window.

quote:Originally posted by zeraphinn
You can walk across America, but it would be easier and faster to drive or fly. DMT is a tool or vehicle use it wisely and you will get there much faster.

That may be true......but to me, I would never fly in a plane that may take me to Hong Kong instead of New York.

In other words, using drugs to reach a level of astral travel may work, but the results can be unpredictable.

I'm not against drugs or anything, people can do what they want.  But for ME, because of my skeptic nature, I need to know that what I do is not induced by a drug, or else I may start to think the DRUG had something to do with it, instead of it being an all natural experience.

Just my two cents.

Ryan,

It's not really for me to say what is correct or incorrect.  After all, you may be able to induce OBE's while standing on your head, and while this wouldn't work for me, the technique would be correct for you.  []

But it sounds like you have the right idea.  For me, it's hard to explain it anymore clearly than I already have (which I admit isn't the best description, but physical words always fail me when I try to describe non-physical things!)

As another example, last night, as soon as I laid down, I tried to just relax and WATCH anything that I could percieve which would enter into my field of vision.  I'd see a quick scene or two, but it would fade away really fast.

You know, it's almost like your a passenger in a car which is speeding down the highway.  Next time you're in a car as a passenger, stare out the side of the window at a 90 degree angle, so that you're literally facing the speeding scenery.  At first, it's hard to *lock* onto an object for more than a second, because the car is going so fast that it speeds right past you.

It's like, "Tree..tree...bush...tree...cow...tree.." really fast.

Now, as the car slows down, these objects along the freeway stay in your field of vision longer.

It's now like, "Tree.........tree........bush........", and so on.

Winding your body and mind down is the same thing.  At first, these visions speed by you really fast, but as they slow down, you can lock onto them longer.  

I had a couple last night that I locked onto which I held for 7-8 seconds, and it was like a mini movie scene, with motion and everything.  But then what happens is that if you're not in the right mental place, you soon get excited that you're actually seeing something this clear, and it fades away.

quote:Originally posted by chupacabra
How the hell are you supposed to let your mind sart falling asleep but stay awake?

I never said it was easy!  Think of it like this.  When you're tired and you want to go to sleep, most people have no trouble "forcing" themselves to sleep.  It just happens.

The key is to allow your body to do what comes naturally to it...let it progress downwards (both mentally and physically), while *you* remain emotionally detached from it.

In other words, just observe the changes.  You need to become very, very familiar with this process.  I'm still playing around with it, and hopefully soon, I'll be able to refine these tips to give some better ideas for you to focus on.

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How can you focus on a blotch or color in the blackness behind your eyes when you aren't supposed to be using your eyes in the first place?

It's the same way you can use your physical eyes to see peripherally.  As an example, by looking straight ahead right now and staring at the computer monitor, you can still see things on the right and left side of your head, *without looking in that direction.*

Seeing without your physical eyes is kinda the same thing.  The first thing you have to do is toss out the notion that you are "seeing" anything.  You are not seeing, so don't even try. You are PERCIEVING.

So with that in mind, you want to perceive the shapes and objects that float past you.  If it helps, remind yourself that everytime you see something, a color, a shape, an object, etc., just remind yourself, "Hey, I know I just saw that, but my eyes are closed, so I must be tuning into my astral senses."

You must convince yourself that you are slowly tuning out the physical senses and acquiring your non-physical senses.  Only then will you see non-physical things and hear non-physical sounds.

quote:Originally posted by NEone

I suppose, a little along the same lines, I was wondering how can you tell you *did* have a projection and not just a very clear, very strange dream? (Or are all such dreams actually projections?)

Good question.  First of all, when you dream, you remember the dream AFTER the fact.  In other words, you wake up, and immedietely you recall all that happened while you were asleep.

With an OBE, you remember the events AS THEY HAPPEN.  You are completely aware, just as you are right now.  Your mind isn't hazy like it is in a dream.  You don't find yourself doing strange things like you do in a dream.  In an OBE, you have FULL CONTROL of all your thoughts and actions.

Assuming that NDE's were all a part of a dying brain, and that these experiences were nothing more than hallucinations with out-of-body sensations, there is still a couple of things which I don't quite buy.

If NDE's (and OBE's for that matter) are hallucinations, then why do all (or most, should I say) of these "hallucinations" seem to follow a uniform experience?  In other words, most people who have a NDE report the same things: seeing their immediete surroundings, seeing a bright light or tunnel, seeing deceased relatives, etc.

Most of these cases all "see" the same thing.  Whereas hallucinations are generally erratic, unpredictable, and many times, no two people will see the same hallucination.  As a crude example, two people tripping on LSD will see different things, even though both are having the same parts of the brain stimulated.

Yet, in OBE's and NDE's thousands of people (both in the present and in ages past) experience the same type of thing.  The sensations are reproducable, and there is some sort of non-physical communication involved (as is the case with people who have verified things in the physical while they are projecting).

Also, most people who hallucinate don't have a lot of control over their experience or their actions....whereas OBE'ers and those who have had an NDE report having an incredible amount of clarity, clearness, and they possess their full conscious awareness.  They know exactly what is going on, which is why it's so amazing.

Those are just some of my thoughts on why OBE's and NDE's are not just some bi-product of the brain.

[realization]

There are many things you could look foreward to.  Here were some of mine:

1) The realization that out of body experiences were real, and that we can exist beyond the bounds of our physical bodies.  For example, some people beleive that when they die, they go somewhere else....somewhere pleasant.  Well, now you can taste a little slice of it!

2) The ability to fly.  Imagine looking at a 4 story house and saying, "You know what?  I'm just going to jump to the top of the roof."  And then BAM!  You're amazed as you do that very thing!  You feel everything....you feel the motion, you feel the excitement in the pit of your stomach....it's as if you're really there in the physical doing these impossible things!  

3) You can meet up with astral entities, visit foreign places, make contact with deceased loved ones.

Those are just some of my "things to do" when projecting.

Yes, welcome to the board.  There are a lot of us here with OBE expereince who are still skeptical and take things with a grain of salt.  You'll fit in nicely here.

Woohoo!  We always like new girls around this place!  []

Welcome to the board, and I look forward to reading your posts.

quote:Originally posted by Blackstream

What could be done is to have one person make a video of their room, and make sure to look at all the details, put the video up in the video library (so that everyone can look at the video before the projection is done), then the one person (who would have to be trusted not to look at the video) projects in and looks at the room, makes a post with what he/she saw, then everyone verifies or doesn't verify via the video.

Of course, this only proves it to the people of the forum.  Any new visitors or anyone outside the forum will think fakery is done.

Again, it all falls back on trust.....and those who don't want to believe will not believe, no matter how much you say you "trust" the results.

This is why it's extremely difficult to *prove* non-physical experiences with physically minded people.  

You say that the proof will just really be meaningful to those in this forum, but most of us in this forum don't need anymore proof than we already have, which is the proof based on the level of consciousness we have at the time of the projection.  There's just something about being that AWARE during the time of a projection which stretches beyond the boundry of needing further proof.

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That's really about as good as you can get.  The only way to do better is to have scientists with a good reputation do the same thing and release their findings.  Then repeat several times and prove it again and again.  Then have a few more respected labs do the same thing. That'd be enough proof for all but the most hardcore disbelievers.  It'll never happen tho.

Getting scientists and labs involved is beyond the resources for those of us on this forum.  However, people like Robert Monroe have detailed their objective results with laboratory experiments, and people can read about them in their books.