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I don't think suicide is an option. People don't seem to realize they will have to deal with their emotional issues where-ever they may be. Taking away the physical body doesn't cure the spirit.

I agree totaly with this. But many people say people who commit suicide are punished by an higher power and sent to hell (I was arguing against this a few weeks back in another thread). Although someone still has to face whatever issues caused them to commit suicide, this is self induced rather than forced on them by an external energy/entity.

Maybe you are correct. But life and persons in my life "told" me (with actions, not telling directly if you get my idea) that there is no love. People act in a way that it is not very different from animals, so i will act according to that game too.

The way i act and the way women react shows me that sex is behind everything. Learn the secrets of the game and get the girls u want (even if you are a bastard). Just be very charismatic and inteligent (and in an "ok" body shape).

Observe the world around u. Maybe u can find real love somewhere, but i think this is like a Zoo . You are an animal, and you need to know how to be the alpha male (or "alpha women").

If I was a few years younger I might have agreed with you. My experiences with girls had led me to the conclusions you have now. I guess I looked in the wrong places. I used to be into the club scene, and so all the girls I met were from there. Not to stereotype, but they were as materialistic as you could possibly get, no appreciated for anything spiritual. Caught totally in the mundane human world.
In that social circle it was pretty much a zoo. Everything was base desires, and mostly revolved around sex – but not really enjoyable sex, you had to perform or literally be mocked.
After quite a few bad relationships I did give up on the idea of Love.
Now I live with a girl who is near enough my opposite, she's the introvert to my extrovert. Where my past is coloured by drink and drugs, she has never touched drugs and never drinks. Also, I've had to revaluate what my idea of Love is. What I used to think of as Love, I now realise was deep lust and the excitement of a new girl – this always used to be replaced by boredom quickly.
With my current partner – even though the idea worries me on certain levels - I can imagine committing to her for life. Not in a flippant way, but I would be willing to stay with her through the good and bad.
We have been together for 2 years now, and we have never had a proper argument. Not only that, I loved being single. I was rarely in a relationship as I need my own space – sometimes I would be out of contact with friends for weeks at a time because I needed to be on my own.
I have recently graduated from university and am job hunting, this means I have been in close contact proximity to my girlfriend for 3 months or so 24/7. I could never imaging being in such proximity with someone for so long without tearing my hair out. Yet I love it. Just being with her here each day makes me smile.

What I'm getting at is, it is easy to become disillusioned with Love in today's world. But it is possible to find someone who you can love, and who will love you unconditionally – and have a relationship not based on primitive instincts alone.

Happy Halloween!

I disagree with a lot of what Kazbadan has said. I think there is the possibility of greater love in a relationship over that of our biological instincts. The higher brain function gives us the ability to override base instinct (I admit a lot of people don't), and I think a spiritual path is mainly one of following the rarefied abstraction that higher brain function gives.
For example, it is possible to love a partner, sharing ones life together – exploring life together, and through such a loving bond to learn more about oneself. It's like altruism – which is considered by some as one of the greatest qualities of an enlightened being.
Regardless of how the materialistic laws and concepts of marriage or partnering for life came about, I think there is a real possibility for spiritual evolution within the confines of a one on one relationship (of any sex).
A long term relationship teaches and ensure we follow many of the traits which most people aspire to, as see as desirable traits in an evolved human being.
There is also the matter of truly feeling open with a partner. In shorter relationships, or ones of casual sex, there is always a mask, an act which hides our most sensitive, hidden parts. We play a part, rather than being truly open.
Some people here might refute this, but I will say that until one is in a loving long term relationship, one truly doesn't know what it is to be truly open. We might have preconceptions that we are open, or what we believe being open to be, but that is not the same as being open.

Yes we come from beasts, and yes we contain bestial nature – it doesn't mean we have to act on such base desires. Open relationships and one night stands are great, but at some point the average human will become consumed by negativity, jealousy and anger in such situations – which again come from our base instincts.

MJ,

I roll out all the time and have no problems. Yes, I agree it can be a little tricky on the senses and emotions what world you are in at the time.. but I've always been successful to project w/o any mishaps.

tvos

Hi VoS. I am usually always successful with the roll out technique. What I was getting at in my post, is that I have noticed during trance something which might be mistaken for vibrations by someone attempting to project. It's more like a fluctuation, but could be mistaken for 'the vibrations' by someone who has no experience with them. So they might be attempting to 'roll out' prematurely, and so not being successful.
But like Hanna says below, the vibrations are not necessary to project. When I havent felt vibrations (fading from awarness of my bed to another locale) I'm never sure if I am projecting or experiencing a Wake Initiated Lucid Dream (WILD).

Even now when I use rolling out I worry on occasion that it's my physical body rolling off the bed.
I usually attempt to roll during the vibrational phase, I wait until the vibrations are full developed and then go. Occasionally I feel like i'm rolling around and around on the sopt instead of rolling off the bed.

I've tried streatching with mixed results. One example is when I tried to go to the moon this way, I ended up inside what looked like rock (perhaps I stretched into the rock of the moon itself?)

That seems like a good affirmation. If anyone else is interested in the Monroe Inst one that I use it is:

I am more than my physical body. Because I am more than physical matter, I can perceive that which is greater than the Physical World. Therefore I deeply desire to Expand, to Experience, to Know, to Understand, to Control, to Use such greater energies and energy systems as may be beneficial and constructive to me and to those that follow me. Also I deeply desire the help and cooperation, the assistance, the understanding of those individuals whose wisdom, development and experience are equal to or greater than my own.

I use the "I am more than my physical body..." affirmation. Personally I haven't noticed any huge difference with or without affirmations. But I figure over time, an affirmation will take seed in the subconscious and perhaps do good.
Theres also the possiblity that if an affirmation is used eery time one enters trance/attempts OBE, it could act as a trigger to make acieving such states easier - the mind linking the affirmation and the trance state.
Eveything helps.

Have you attempted to 'roll out'? When I do this it feels that my physical body is rolling and then falls off the bed. I sometimes worry that I have actually fallen out of bed. Usually at this point my vision is poor or none existent, so I start to make my way by touch away from my body. After a few steps vision usually kicks in.
I've had little success with 'pulling' techniques, but great success with swinging techniques.

I'm not sure others would agree, but I've felt a few different sorts of vibrations during my history of going OBE. Some seem conducive to actually achieving a projection; others seem to be a dead end. By that I mean they don't feel the same as the electrical type vibrations I get on a successful projection, they seem slower and 'thicker'. And I have not been able to project from them. I figured they were just either a greater awareness of the energy body, or a desired induced vibrational state. I.e. I am after a vibration state, so I think I feel one.

[In your own personal experience, do you think it could be possible for an experienced projector to read those two words correctly at least a certain amount of times?]

Hi MisterJingo,

Please, let me ask you something. You say that you "have been projecting since earliest childhood. My experiences have been intricate and consistent....."

This is the question:

In your own personal experience, do you think it could be possible for an experienced projector to read those two words correctly at least a certain amount of times?

I don't mean "always", but some times, and with the hints to read them correctly that I explained in the Instructions of the Agnostic Method:

Method to verify if OBE are real or imaginary experiences:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20907

qbeac.

If Ap can really take place in the physical, then there is no reason why those words cannot be read successfully. From all the studies I have read regarding trying to get proof in the physical, the participants cannot find the cards, cannot read the cards or simply read them wrong. My experience of RTZ projections is that the similarity to reality is superficial, and one soon finds discrepancies. The longer spent in the RTZ the more distorted reality become until it bears no resemblance.

Something I have noticed time and time again is that if I'm OBE in an area that I am familiar with and I fly above the roof tops, then everything usually changes. It seems that I have no waking day knowledge of a roof top scene, even though I have knowledge of the area from the ground level. So the mind/brain generates a roof top scene which bears little to no resemblance of what that area actually looks like.
Other OBE authors have talked about this phenomena, it seems the mind can only interpret the astral within the confines of knowledge it already posses. So if something outside of our experience is encountered, it is interpreted in the best way possible – (which explains why people can interpret astral beings as angles, energy people, gnomes, elves, greys etc).
With the astral experience being so subjective, any attempt at gaining empirical evidence is going to be tough.

lots of nice myths here. but thats what they are. none of them actually happened. no one should believe anything other than what they know here and now. so if you say they talked to you and blew out the candle, well perhaps, like you said, you were in trance and hallicinated/dreamed the whole thing. seems logical to me.

i was under the impression that angels didnt have sex organs. yes the bible says so. not that i believe in the bible or angels anymore (i use to be a hardcore christian/prophecy studier HEH), but if you are going to play along, at least use their jew rules, no?

im pretty sure what happened is  "adam and eve" stumbled uppon a drug and then their minds were opened and they suddonly knew god and what was going on. this happens even today with a good enough high. that is what happened.

Theres a lot of credible theories out there regarding our early religions and myths being brought about by the ingestion of psychedelic plants - well that and limited understanding of the world and laws of nature. Many primitive tribes in the jungles of the world still regularly ingest pshcyedelics to talk with God etc.

Ok a question for the 'anything is possible in the physical with enough belief' bunch:

A child is born a literally blank sheet. No preconceptions, no limiting beliefs, no knowledge of even the term impossibility. Why do children not carry out impossible feats on a regular basis? When did you last see a new born fly, or do other reality defying feats?
Also, why do new borns in Africa starve to death? They have no pre-programming regarding the need of food. Impossible is not known to them, yet the baking heat (so lots of light) of their desert homes should easily substance them, but it doesn't.

If the laws of nature could be truly bent in any significant way, and if belief alone could change reality for the masses – why hasn't it? Most talk of special powers is hidden away on niche places of the net.
Why doesn't the combined will of the billions of religious people on this planet create a change in reality? Surely if the focused will of billions can't change anything, the will of a single person (who most likely spends a lot of time on the net) won't change much either?
And why in this age of near instant information transferral – knowing in seconds what's happening on the other side of the planet, has there not yet been a single instance of overwhelming proof of the laws of reality being changed?

We can 'think outside the box' all we want – yet a mundane, consistent reality remains.

Could it be that the physical cannot be changed? Could it possibly be a strictly ruled locale which stops the populace changing it? We might have the freedom to effect change in ourselves (within the confines of physical law's) but really, that's as far as it goes. If belief effected reality to any significant amount (rather than colouring it in our own internal world) the world would literally be a mad house. Peoples conflicting beliefs and desires manifesting all over the place.

Hi MisterJingo, in my opinion, your position is quite reasonable: you simply would like to obtain solid proof because you are aware of the possibility that your brain could trick you some how and make you believe something is real when is not. Is that correct? Did I understand you correctly?

Some people say they don't need to see any proof because they are already sure, and that's good for them, but many others say they would like to see the proof.

So, let me ask you something: reading those two words taken at random from the dictionary (several times in a role) would be a good enough proof for you, or not? Please, what do you think? Could you comment on that?

Thanks. qbeac.

Hi qbeac,
You are correct. But it is more than the fact that brain can trick a person into believing fallacies though (one only needs to look at false memory syndrome which has been proven to occur through hypnotic regression, and other research where false memories have been implanted in people by simply showing them doctored photographs of their childhood). My need for proof comes from the possibility that mind is the product of brain (which would mean AP is purely brain generated, and the afterlife is wishful thinking). As much as this idea is repulsive, there is still a lot of interesting research which shows how mind function can be attributed to specific areas of brain. If AP is what people claim, then it is one of the best ways to achieve proof that the mind is possibly independent of the brain.
Even people at the forefront of AP like Monroe stated many times that you shouldn't take a belief of what AP is until you have enough evidence to make it a known.
Billion names of God, I have been projecting since earliest childhood. My experiences have been intricate and consistent, yet this is not proof of what people claim AP to be. It shows I am experiencing states which seem to be outside the confines of my body. And during a lot of these projections my mind has been more brilliant and vibrant than in any waking state. I have literally been super aware, and the experience has been more 'real' than waking reality. I am a frequent LD'er so can distinguish between AP and LD. I have seen the 'silver cord' (although it's a faint luminous green to me). I have met gods and devils, been taken to the genesis of creation and the end of the world. I have been placed in a machine which let me perceive the entirety of creation etc. In general, during these experiences I have been shown a lot, but none prove that it is more than brain induced. Each experience starts with me entering trance, inducing the vibrations (which I feel might have something to do with DMT release and trance reduced sensory input increasing its effect), and then 'rolling' out. Usually sight is limited until I get around 6 feet away. I look around; I am in my bedroom as it looks in reality. And then I go explore. If such experiences do not meet the criteria of OBE, then I would say the vast majority of people who have ever projected have not actually OBE'd too.
I also do not believe that OBE is actually outside of the body. The brain cannot distinguish between imagination and sensory input of the 'external' world. Do a google for this information, experiments where people have increased muscle mass over that of a control group by simply visualisations of working out. Also we have to consider that what we see as external reality is actually mind generated. Sensory organs do not emit information; they suck it up into the brain. The brain generates a representation of what it perceives the information to mean (this is a fascinating area in itself, google how little information the eyes can actually perceive, and how much the brain adds to our visual world to 'fill it out'), and we exist within that representation. So anything you ever taste, touch, feel, see, or experience is actually a purely internal experience. We forever interact with a mind generated representation based on sensory information. I see going out of body as moving from one mind generated state (reality) to another (Astral).

I'm not sure what would constitute good enough proof qbeac, most philosophers rule out a solipsism view of realty on the grounds that we cannot truly tell if everything is mind generated or not, so we might as well act as if it isn't, and everyone else we see is actually a sentient being.  I guess proof for me would be to amass some data which holds up to scrutiny of others in the physical. I believe that if the AP state is real, and the energy, energy bodies etc are real too. Then at some point science will be able to detect them. It's easy to take something for ones self, say I believe and that is all that matters. But that is not enough for me. I have a scientific upbringing so perhaps that's where this desire originates

Well, the eternal question.


It's simple really, when you do have a real OBE there will no doubt in your mind that it is a OBE, not a dream or anything.

That simple really.


You don't need proof - you know you weren't in your body..


Of course to people who haven't experienced the OBE well, it's all just nonsense and just a dream right?

If you are doubting your experience it  * WAS NOT A OBE *.

I wouldn't totally agree with this. I have had many OBE's, even being seen by a third party in the physical who collaborated my actions and times during the projection. Yet I still have doubts to if I was actually 'outside' of my body, or that OBE is anything more than creative imagination. I am still looking for greater proofs.

Before anyone says I am lost for being so blind to my experiences, I would counter with that believing anything because it is preferable to alternatives (mind produced by the brain, death being oblivion etc) is just as blind.

I am exploring with a mind open to all possibilities and not limiting my experiences to a narrow belief system, as doing such a thing would dictate the direction of future experiences.

everything is "hereditory" in the sense that is also passed down from previous lifes.

That's why people are born " musical ", there is such a thing as natural ability.

Problem is natural projectors make it sound so easy for the rest of us!

And yes, many people are born more equal than others.

It's just the way it is.

I took hereditory in this thread to mean in a physical genetic sence?

Exploration to date has shown that everyone shares the exact same consciousness. Different life experiences create different personalities and belief systems (i.e. we are the sum of every experience to date) – and so the concept of an individual is born.  I haven't seen any evidence of us 'having' a soul. I would say that we are a soul.
The problems with such discussions is that even though words have a universal meaning (supposedly) we still each attach different means to such words based upon our past experiences. Also talk of energies and such is ambiguous as we have no understanding of what such energies might be.

I don't see why a dead person must be any more a hologram than a person existing in the physical (which is just another locale on consciousnesses spectrum).

Each of us being the exact same consciousness does bear a similarity with the universal consciousness concepts, although I think their scales are different.

Something I wrote on a similar topic recently on another forum:

I reason that if there is oblivion on death (yes I have projected since childhood, and do have some convincing evidence we are more than the physical body - I just can't totally discount all potential theories which have some weight - well until I truly do die ) and we are the product of a physical brain/genetic pattern, we will live again an infinite number of times. In infinity infinite possibility must be carried out (even within certain strict rules) so the conditions to produce 'you' will be reproduced an infinite number of times. With oblivion there will be no passage of time, so even if vast amounts of time pass between each recreation, it will literally be instant to 'you'. Another theory I've reasoned is that consciousness is the same in each of us. That is every human who exists (and potentially every aware life form) shares the same basis of consciousness, individuality arises from different life experiences. So in effect every person on this planet is 'you' but with differing life experiences. What this means is that if death is oblivion, you will exist in the next new born child. Not as 'you' but as a new point of consciousness which is exactly the same as your core. So either way, if there is life after death or not, we will be back

I also don't believe it is hereditory, but I think conditions which make projection easier might be. I have suffered from regular sleep paralysis for all of my life (which is fantastic for kick starting AP), my Father has also experienced regular SP for all of his life too (the chances of this is pretty remote).

As with any scientific discovery, it was the cumulative work of many scientists rather than one. But usually one is picked out as the discoverer. Look into the history of relativity, and also the theories which led to it. Einstein was the person who put the ideas together to form relativity, but relativity was based on the work and discoveries of other scientists. As I said Einstein put it all together with the help of many of his friends, who helped him with the details.

There are a lot of lies written about Einstein saying he was a plagiarizer, but there are a lot of lies about his genius too. Do some research into his background and look into Lorentz and Poincare. The truth is rarely that which is portrayed by popular media.

The only occasion I made an effort to fly through space was when I was projecting at night and the full moon looked glorious. I decided to fly towards it, but I never seemed to be getting closer, so I kept picking up speed - flying as fast as I could. Finally, getting restless, I decided to 'teleport' to it (from Monroes books, closing ones eyes and having the intention of a place and just moving there), this resulted to me being in a strange environment. I was in an orange and red place, with 3 dimensional bands of these colours all around me. I had the idea that I might be inside some form of rock? (perhaps I had projected into the mass of the moon instead of onto its surface?)

AFAIK everyone has the ability to OBE, i've even managed to get people who had no interest outside of materialism to project. It seems when my practice is strong, those who sleep (physically) near me also experience OBE symptoms or full projections. This also occured to university friends who slept in the room next to mine. If everyone could project under the right circumstances, this would mean the entire human race were half-breeds.

I have been given such a decision in a dream in which I died multiple times. I was in a war zone, and each time I died I was given the option of returning to life or staying dead. At first I kept choosing life, and I would return to the same war situation, but as a different person in the war. Finally I chose death, and my body left me. I was presented with a scene of a disant snow capped mountain, in a pine wilderness and a crystal clear mountain lake reflecting everything. There was a blue diffuse light permeating everything (similar to very early dawn light). This scene remained with me for the rest of the night, until I awoke.

Out of curiosity, has anyone else had a blue tint to their vision whilst OBE? A lot of my OBEs seem to have the most magnificent blue light spread over the environment I am in.

But why is Bruce Moen always aware of his body? Are  his techniques the reason ( which would suggest most who practice his techniques will be aware of their body also ), or what ?

Perhaps with Bruce Moen It has simply become habit to not totally let go of body awareness? Or that he doesn't wish to. If one desires full immersion through phasing, then it is possible. The deeper the trance state achieved the greater the immersion experienced.

Another possible reason is that BM phases from a light trance state and so still has some body awareness?

As stated previously, I have experience of traditional techniques (which I started with) and phasing. Both have the same symptoms and energy sensations, and both can either be fully immersive or light enough to have some body awareness.

[possibly]

Hi tripnonastral, James S hit the nail on the head. In my experience, suicide is not bad, and does not cause one to go to any hell. If the person who commited suicide is full of guilt, or still caught up in misery, then they might possibly create an hell like experience for themselves. But this is totally self induced and the person so caught can be aided to escape from this negativity.

It is possible to be totally immersed in the astral through phasing. Have a look into wake induced lucid dream (WILD) experiences. It is also possible to maintain some awareness of body. I have used both traditional techniques and phasing, and though both of them, I have sometimes been fully immersed and sometimes had body awarness (which sometimes manifests itself as being in two places at once, with two distinct thought processes - which is interesting).
As stated above, phasing and traditional techniques are both exactly the same. But they have different attributes attached to each of them. If you look into even the oldest occult literature of AP, one can see that techniques used (creative visualisation) is purely just the same as phasing at it's core.

I've had psychedelic experiences whilst dreaming. I've also had experiences of taking pshychedelics in dreams, and amazingly the effects felt were exactly the same as experiences in my past with psychedelics.

Here's some dream examples which I posted to other groups a while ago, they are already typed so I only have to cut and paste :

My dreams are always strange and vivid, but occasionally I get an
exceptionally strange dream. I thought I'd post this from last nights sleep.
I wont go into details about how I came to be in the place, as I don't
really know. I was in a foreign country, I had the idea of India or there
about. The dream started with me having a task, I couldn't complete this
task totally within the physical plane. I went to a temple with many floors,
it was full of people. I was searching out a shaman. I had done this before,
that's something I knew at the time.
I found the shaman and he told me to lie down, he placed his hands on my
head, the backed away and started chanting, I went with he flow and my
vision blurred and I felt distant. Then I was completely lucid and standing
in a large house. This place was "bad." It wasn't a place within the human
sphere. I don't exactly know what my task here was, but I had the idea that
this was the place of a deity, Shiva?
it was old and ancient, large windows streamed in what I can only describe
as winter light, that clear penetrating light.
Somehow my ex-girlfriend had crossed the boundary with me too, which was
scary as I didn't want the responsibility of looking after her in this place
too. We started exploring the house, but we saw people, other women here in
saris (sp?) they were moving inline, with their arms out, there was an over
all knowing in this house. There was decapitated bodies, body parts too,
appearing and disappearing. Its impossible to convey the back ground
feeling.
My ex started to kiss me, but the awareness in the house kept projecting
another woman over the body of my ex, so it seemed I was kissing this other
woman. Then I was back in the temple. But my ex hadn't made it. She was
still in that place. An awareness told me that I could never go back to that
place, and my ex was there due to me. It said she never wanted anything off
me, but in the house I imposed my protection over her, this is something she
didn't want/couldn't have. So she would remain there and no one could bring
her back, the implications of this were more profound then just remaining in
that house.
I was now in a pond with large rushes and lilly pads, I could see a large
house on my right, it was surrounded by a large cast iron fence. The
awareness told me I could never go back, as I had been there twice already.
Later on, I was in a town near a road, there seem to be large eyes all
around me, on stands sticking up from the earth, But then I saw they were
just metallic spheres on sticks which were reflecting a blue circle graffiti
onto a near by wall. They kept going from normal eyes, to these metallic
reflecting spheres. I thought something to do with tripping. Then I saw
something coming towards me, it was a graffiti image of a truck, with a
driver in, it was coming into existence as it drove towards me, I recognised
it for some reason, when it was near me, it was a normal truck, someone
pulled the window down and started shooting at a group of people near us.
Everyone ran into the town. In the town we came upon a group of young
people, there was a strange, deranged old man there, he had a blade. He told
a girl in the group he wanted to give her the mark. She agreed, and turned
her back to him. I had a very bad feeling, I thought he was going to stab
her in the back, he put the blade to her back and cut from shoulder to the
small of her back, cutting open her clothes. He then stuck the knife in the
top of her back, and drew blood. She put some of this blood on her forehead.
Others started to be marked in this way too and an orgy was commencing with
the marked people, I ran (I was with an unknown girl) as I knew with
certainty that once everyone had been marked, they would hunt down us
unmarked people.
I was running to the centre of the town, a house? but there was a powerful
awareness/entity/power trying to keep us away. My awareness was dimming and
I had to fight every step to move forward towards the centre, horrific
images were shown to us to try and make us run back or go mad, strange
ghastly faces hanging in air mouthing strange words. We made it to the
centre and there was someone there, a woman?


That's the main part, the rest is hazy and more to do with feelings and
perceptions.


It was a strange dream though, but contained very powerful emotions and
perceptions, and understandings that I could barely grasp

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Strange dream last night. In the dream there was large wall carving, like
the ancient Mayan ones, on a large stone tablet. Inlaid in it were a number
of coloured crystals. They seemed to represent charkas I think, although
there was an extra white crystal. The wall contained three main carvings.
The left most one was man I think, I didn't really see that bit. There was
indentations for the crystals in that carving too but they were empty. The
next carving was large and alien. It represented something ancient, alien to
human intellect. It was surrounded in many concentric circles. This carving
had the crystals inlaid in it now. They were in one of the concentric
circles surrounding the central image. This implied 'ownership' on some
level. This alien concept, being represented in the carving was now active
again, represented by the crystals around it. I had the notion that this
'thing' had not been active since the dawn of all.
The last, right most carving, slightly below the others seemed to represent
the source. The genesis. This carving also had spaces for the crystals, but
had extra small crystals inlaid too. They were small and oval shaped,
forming arcs around the image in the middle. A circle surrounded this
carving too.
The middle alien image seemed to be interacting with that of the source. I
was told that this alien thing was burrowing in some manner  to the source.
There was an enmity between them, as if to show this, small arks of
electricity seemed to dance between the small oval crystals of the carving
of the source. Something vast was happening.
There was a square hole at the bottom of the large tablet, and occasionally
a small perfect diamond would form there, a man was collecting them. I
picked one up, and then took one of the ovals from the carving of the source
and put it in my mouth (I have no idea why!)
While I was studying the carvings, there seemed to be a vast vortex behind
me, a whirlpool of energies (purple and blue?) and a man and woman. They
were trying to prevent something, or had some greater task and so didn't
even acknowledge me.