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This universe and the many universes that comprise the Multiverse appear to be far stranger than anyone can possibly imagine.
In addition to this 4 dimensional (Time-space) universe with its countless galaxies, stars, planets and life forms there are also numerous Alternate or Parallel Universes. These Alternate universes are all more or less like our universe with some differences and parallel timelines.

In addition there are also completely Different 4-dimensional Cosmological Universes where the physics (both macro - Newtonian and sub-atomic - quantum) are completely alien to our universe. Most of these universes are likely to be completely dead - devoid of all life. Yet a few universes undoubtedly are inhabited by intelligent beings.

Then consider the higher dimensions (above the 4th dimension) - the Mental plane, Astral Plane, Buddhic Plane, et al and it immediately becomes very apparent that there is an unlimited amount of space, time and knowledge beyond what is known here on Earth.
Regards 
Grey

Reports of OBE encounters with non-Christian deities is relatively rare in the western world. I have only read one OBE report that mentioned Shiva. In it the person reported seeing a Huge manifestation of Shiva flying through outer space.
My suggestion is to do a google search for Hindu OBEs and Hindu NDEs. Hindus are, naturally, the people most likely to experience Shiva (or Vishnu or Brahma or Shakti) while out of body.

btw I recently read several NDE accounts from Thailand that mentioned encounters with Yama the God of Death. Very interesting. There were posted at www.neardeath.ipbhost.com

Regards 
Grey

Astral316
your quote

Was this some sort of afterlife realm? I didn't see any people or animals but the setting had a peaceful vibe to it. Thoughts are appreciated, thanks.

It could well have been. Perhaps a Belief System Territory (BST) that you visited in a previous unremembered OBE. Or else it was a physical/Real Time Zone (RTZ) location that you had also visited in an unremembered OBE.
Sometimes it is nearly impossible to know where you are when OOB unless you can talk to a discarnate and have him/her tell you where you are (??!)
Regards 
Grey

Hi Athymari
Congrats on your experience because that was indeed a full out of body experience ! Your first OBE was actually better than most people's because 1) you had a lot of control and 2) you were fully conscious of what was happening and were not confused. (Lack of control and great confusion seem to characterize many peoples' first OBE.)
Anyway the roll out method is how I induced my first conscious OBE. Seeing the auras was an interesting bonus. 
Regards 
Grey

T.L.
That was impressive !   
Anybody who can deliberately induce an OBE when not completely asleep (or just coming out of a dream) has definately progressed into an advanced level.  Especially impressive since there were family members causing distractions.
Anyway even if you Can go OOB with people in the room who compete for your attention I still suggest waiting until another time when projecting is easier and less stressful.
Regards 
Grey

Robby
It appears that you might still have some type of (negative) emotional attachment to that academy. It is common for people to visit places (and people) with whom they have a positive emotional attachment in dreams and OBEs. So it is likely that the same holds true with places of strong negative memories. Anyway try not to worry about it because sooner than later you can get over it and move on to something better.
Regards 
Grey

T.L.
The Big question (as it seems to me) was whether you were watching an actual physical world event taking place or else were in some sort of BST (Belief system territory) where all the inhabitants were Not physical. Have you any ideas on this ?

The astral/ethereal experience isn't always a joyride. Even when an OBE'er does not personally encounter a negative or hostile entity then that person sometimes witnesses violence, brutality, ugliness, etc. during his/her astral/ethereal travels. So it may not always be fun but it IS a learning experience (or sorts).
Anyways thanx for posting.

Regards   
Grey

Hallo Jimslip
Some interesting OBEs there !
Regarding your cousin coming into the room. That was probably his astral body or dream body that you saw. Most likely he was having his own OBE but was unaware of it and thought it all a dream.
About alcohol and "other" substances. Oddly enough I find that alcohol is not really a hindrance to astral projection. Actually I have had several OBEs after consuming relatively large quantities of alcohol (as much as a full bottle or wine). The OBE were not deliberate because they just spontaneously ocurred late at night.
Regards
Grey

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pluto, your quote

Greytraveller:
I am quick to denounce any vague memories I have of my childhood as mere fantasy. Yet I had no knowledge of anything UFO related at the time, I had believed that the memories might have been colored throughout my life by my teenage fascination with ET's. For this reason I am hesitant to share these memories, although I will if you would like to read them. I agree that this is probably something I should pursue if the opportunity should again arise that I should feel such intense AP. But I would still doubt the validy (vs fantasy and egotistical aspect) unless a sufficient level of intensity could be obtained. What are your thoughts on this?

Of course you are reluctant to share personal memories with a stranger. And I was not in any way inquiring about any of your past experiences.
However, what I Would suggest is that it is Possible that years ago you May have had an OBE, which you have since forgotten, where you made contact with an alien entity(s). This happens to people quite a lot. I myself had dozens, probably hundreds, of OBEs as a child and preteen and now cannot remember ANY of them. (It seems that unless an experience is written down then it is eventually forgotten.)
Anyway, if this did happen to you years ago it would explain your present affinity for UFOs and things extraterrestrial.
Regards 
Grey

Pluto
I would suggest that there is Something about your past, currently hidden from your waking memory, that explains your most unusual first OBE. Remember that people are at a different spiritual "level" and yours appears to be quite high, regardless of the fact that this was your first OBE.
I am not suggesting that you were once physically abducted by aliens. (Although it well may be that you did have a previous encounter with ETs in a past, unremembered, OBE.)
Be aware that the answers to this strange experience will probably reveal themselves in the future. So don't be too jaded or hesitant in facing any future OBE.
Regards 
Grey

CFTraveler, your quote

You'd be surprised as to how many people don't see this concept.
An author (could have been Monroe, or Leland, I don't quite remember) said something similar- we tend to think our evolution is about going back to some sort of undifferentiated mass- but that wouldn't make sense, at least to me- there has to be a purpose in individuation (at least in my view) so part of evolving is bringing the experience of individuality to this wholeness- I think it was Monroe who said it was 'bringing consciousness to the collective unconscious'.  I like the sound of this (for some reason.)

Yes, I am a VERY big supporter of just that way of thinking. What would be the point of individual thinking otherwise. The alternative makes absolutely NO sense to me in any way, shape or form.
Then again, there are Many things that make absolutely no sense (or little sense) (like most organized religions).  So, to me, it ultimately comes down to believing the superiority and power of rational individual "thinking" consciousness over the blind "faith" - based group thinking of the religious masses .
This is indeed a difficult and complex idea so I hope to have put my thoughts about it in an understandable form.
Regards 
Grey

Psan, your quote

Its possible that you were initially in a dream when you saw yourself lying in a dream house. After which your awareness rose and OBE took place. It seems like a transition from lucid dream to proper OBE.

I agree, with the difference that I think that the OBE really did occur (it was not only dream consciousness). It shows just how fine a line there is between some of the various states of consciousness.
My general rule is that although there is some overlap between some states of consciousness, example dream><OBE and dream<>Hypnangogia I believe that it is possible to be 100 % certain about being in any of those different states (with the notable exception of a false awakening). So I was already OOB when in the false awakening and then became aware of my true state during the "second" separation.
Regards
Grey

vipassana, your question

Has anyone ever tried to challenge a negative entity? Basically tell them *%&# off?

Well basically I have had a "negative" (or hostile) entity/discarnate challenge me on a few occasions.
Some of those encounters became violent. Perhaps ignoring those hostile beings would have worked. Or maybe sending those discarnates positive energy could have avoided the violence. Some members of this forum have suggested this course of action when threatened.
However, my personal viewpoint is that I treat beings in the astral/ethereal the same as in the physical. So when threatened by someone/something I first try to avoid the encounter. If that fails then I quite definately feel the need to Defend myself.
Some people believe that you cannot be hurt while OOB. This may well be true. However, I have read of OBE accounts where discarnates (sometimes the OBE'er) were seriously hurt (emotionally or mentally). Recently I read several accounts on other websites where discarnates were "killed". This strengthens my belief that BAD things can and do happen while OOB and it is always best to defend oneself when threatened.
Regards 
Grey

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T.L., your quote

One idea that seems to appeal to me, and scares me at the same time is the possibility that all events on earth goes in a infinite loop. From beginning to end over and over, and that no matter what we do we just get sucked into it time and time again [as a different person each time].

Yes ! I have read of that concept before as well. The Russian mystic P D Ouspensky posited that concept in one of his books. His idea was that there are three dimensions of space (up-down, right-left and forward-back) AND there are also 3 corresponding dimensions of time. He believed at that the moment that each person died then he or she was Instantly reborn at the exact same moment and location where they had been born before, an infinite loop as it were.
This idea is So Far out of the norm that it freaks me out more than a little! 
Anyway, though I see no evidential data to support this particular theory I Do believe that there are many hidden mysteries inherent in the concept of time which we have yet to discover. 
Regards 
Grey

T.L.
Those people that you saw in the OBE, were those the astral/ethereal bodies/consciousness of your family and friends? Did you interact with any of them? I ask because it appears a bit "Coincidental" that all those people were having a shared OBE back in the year 1996.
So not to be too bizarre but I would posit the chance that you either visited a shared dream that all of those people (or most of them) were having. OR (a far more bizarre possibility) would have been that you "visited" an alternate universe.)
btw I have trouble getting my head around the idea of time travel (in an OBE or otherwise.) I don't deny the possibility of it taking place. It's just the only way that I can conceive of it happening is for it to occur in an alternate universe. That way going back in time will not change anything in the present. Make sense?
Regards
Grey

dbmathis, your quote

Depending on your vibrational state you may not have been in you real time body which would be the body that would see a mirror of waking life. You most likely were still in bed but you were seeing through your astral eyes rather than your real time or expanded etheric body.

I agree with that. After thinking it over for awhile I concluded that I was probably in a false awakening. So I had actually already projected into an OBE before becoming aware. It was a very low energy experience as everything appeared to be dark. Almost a "heavy" feeling throughout. Also the unfamiliar environment was disorienting. It probably was a result of some 'dark' aspect of my consciousness taking control at that moment. (?)
Regards
Grey

T.L.
I finally posted that OBE. It is somewhere on this forum.

btw you might want to experiment with the hypnagogic state when you wake up. That stage of hypnagogia is called the hypnopompic state. It might be more rewarding as you will be less inclined to fall asleep so easily.
Regards 
Grey

UFOafterlight

But was it YOUR physical body that u saw lying in that other bed?

Good question and the answer is NO. And that is why I am confused. Also the OBE was so short that I could not find out where I was.
And it was not a dream either. I Am quite sure of that because even though the OBE was dark and confusing I was quite certain that I was out of body.
Regards 
Grey

This is my latest OBE.

"Confused Double Separation"
Sunday, June 28, 2009

(This OBE is numbered 85 in my notebook.)
   This OBE was different from most of my other OBEs and was actually quite confusing. It was very obviously an OBE at the time during which it was taking place (and I was even reasonably sure of where I was). Yet when the OBE ended and I was back in normal waking consciousness then the memories of what had happened were confused and the location that I was in seemed mostly unfamiliar.
   The OBE began when I became conscious lying in a bed in another bedroom in another location. It was probably a small bedroom in a house where I had lived in New Orleans. (This is only a best guess because I am really not certain of this.) I felt that I needed to separate my astral/ethereal body from my physical body and project into an OBE. [Obviously, however, I had already gone out of body because that could not have been my physical body lying in that bed.] Yet somehow I was not aware of that. So I tried to separate to induce an OBE. After 2, 3 or 4 tries I managed [a second} separation (?) and was satisfied that I was out of body.
   It was very dark in the room as there was hardly any light. So I could barely see anything. I managed to pass directly through a glass window and got outside. It was almost darker outdoors than indoors. All that I could see was a quiet street, a few trees and 1 or 2 houses in an unfamiliar city neighborhood. The OBE ended just a few minutes later in mid-flight.
   Notes. Time was between 3:00 - 4:30 AM. Duration was about 5 to 10 minutes.  OBE # 85 took place (I believe) in Locale I and a familiar location (though it could well have been a BST). I did not encounter any familiar or unfamiliar person(s) or being(s). Deliberate,  Confused,  Energy-pranayama,  Meditation,  Flight, Metamusic, Travel-teleport.

This was a dark and confusing experience which I still do not understand. Particularly strange was the fact that I "woke up" in another bed in another house (or apartment). Normally I would have realized that I was already out of body. Yet this was not so and I had to affect another separation and OBE. After that things were routine (although everything seemed very dark). Insights and comments are welcome.
Regards 
Grey

There are people interested, this is a long term project. In this culture of instant gratification some people expect to push buttons and get instant jolts of reaction.

I'd say to look at this project over a span of at least 10 years. I think it has gotten off to a good start.

I agree INNERVOYAGER. You make a good point. I based my opinion on the number of recent posts in this Astral Pulse Island Forum. But your comments are well taken.
Come to think of it this motivates me to try go OOB and visit Astral Pulse Island !
Regards 
Grey

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ancient_one
An interesting OBE to be sure. It appears that you transitioned out of the OBE directly into a false awakening. This is not that unusual. I have managed to deliberately separate into an OBE From a false wakening (after having become aware that it was a dream and not waking consciousness).
If the paralysis occurs again while you are out of body try to remain calm. Remember that extreme emotion, and especially fear, usually cause an OBE to prematurely end.
Regards 
Grey

If I remember correctly in one of the posts (in this Astral Pulse Island forum) one OBE'er did report seeing another OBE'er while on AP Island.
Several people have reported being to AP Island but nobody has reported being there in quite some time (over a year or thereabouts). It appears that the whole concept of AP Island has gotten old and nobody seems interested in it anymore. Which is too bad really because the whole idea has many possibilities.
Personally I have never been there during an OBE though I have seen it a few times during meditation and in hypnagogic dreams.
Regards 
Grey

Yang
Don't be discouraged by that bad encounter. People that have many OBEs will likely sooner or later have a negative/violent encounter. I have 5 or 6 negative encounters but it is only a small percentage of my OBEs, the overwhelming majority of which are quite positive. (Including the two that are now on this forum.) So it could happen again, but if it does it will probably be quite a ways in the future.

Grey

Greytraveller,

This is cutting edge stuff. Give it time.

dbmathis
That is true, but only to a point. The Hindus (and others) have known about this for thousands of years.
But my point was really this --- if the chakras Do exist in everyones astral/ethereal body then more people should have reported seeing them. Some people that have seen their energy body (in a mirror for instance) Do report seeing colorful energy patterns, but not in the chakra or lotus shapes.?
btw On the same general topic very few people report seeing a Silver Cord while OOB ??

Grey

[New Orleans.]

T.L. Guess what? I had an OBE early Sunday morning (around 3 or 4 AM)!
I will post the OBE in full in a day or so.
Please do not confuse this latest OBE with the one that I just posted on a new thread. That OBE took place in mid-May.

Now, wouldn't you know it -- most of my OBEs take place in this local area. But this latest one started when I came to consciousness in an unfamiliar room in what I believe was New Orleans.!
The entire experience was dark and confusing, and rather short as well.
Yes I did live in New Orleans (for about 3 years). But I haven't been back there in nearly 2 years and was not thinking about it much recently.
Maybe some kind of cosmic joker was having a good laugh.  In any case at no time during the OBE did I get (back) to Pittsburgh.

Grey