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One or two points of interest to consider relevant to this thread.

First is that many skeptics consider that OBEs occur only within a person's mind. That misses the crucial point completely - which is whether of not the person's mind is Inside or Outside of their physical body at the time of the OBE. The complete separation of consciousness from physical body is what sets the Out of Body Experience apart from other psychic states such as dreaming, lucid dreaming, remote viewing and clairvoyance.

Second is that validation has been achieved many times, both inside and outside a lab. The Monroe-Tart experiments was mentioned in an earlier posts. Several APulse members (Including the Voice Of Silence) have achieved validated OBEs on a number of occasions.

I have mentioned this before in previous posts, but it bares repeating -- IMO arguing with skeptics is only a BIG waste of time. Rarely is anything useful gained by it and the time spent is usually better spent elsewhere. (Trust me -- I know from personal experience.) 

Grey

Congrats on your first OBE!
From your description it appeared to be a rather standard "classical" first time OBE, other than the fact that you managed to have a total of 3 OBEs! That's good!

Usually prior intentions to stay out of body for a longer time, and a stated Affirmation (to the same effect) while out of body are enough to remain OOB longer. Also the repeated experiences of the OBEs helps a person to stay 'out' longer.

Grey

I totally agree with jubjub. Get as far away from the physical body as possible. In fact try to get outside of the house or apartment. The OBE by nature is an exploratory event. Familiar surroundings tend to dull the need to go and to do something different. I know this for certain because it happens alot to me while out of body. Even as simple an act as flying around over the neighborhood (apparently one of Robert Monroe's favorite OBE activities) is much better than just aimlessly floating around inside.

Grey

Astral316

Your method of inducing OBEs in a string, one after another, instead of deliberately waking up and trying to record all the details of the first OBE is Probably the better of the two methods. Of course you will lose some (or alot) of recall and fail to remember a number of things that happened. Yet the bonus is that you managed to induce several OBEs one after another, (which is a relatively rare feat, even for experienced OBE-ers.)

Anyway you obviously did quite well, And thanx for posting your experiences.

Grey

The basic criteria in discerning the different dream and OBE states of consciousness is simply having those experiences again and again. This might sound over simplistic but it actually makes a lot of sense. The only way that you can really be sure of what is going on is to have had that experience before and to be familiar with it. IMO that is why many first time OBE-ers think that they are only dreaming - they have never been out of the their physical body before and are unfamiliar with the sensations and perceptions of the experience.

Most experienced OBE-ers usually know when they are out of body. At least that is what I can infer by reading their OBE accounts. And that is why many new 'projectors' ask questions such as "Was this an OBE or a Lucid Dream? or "Could this have been an OBE?


Grey

Dood
I very much like your attitude and also value your opinion. An open minded interest in metaphysical and spiritual matters can lead to hidden doors opening at unexpected times and in unexpected places and usually with unexpected postive consequences.

Regarding the Open Minds Forum. Unfortunately I have been as yet unable to devote sufficient time to post there yet hope to do so in the near future.

Grey

acidicstar
Congrats !
Regarding your question

Now that i have had my first one do you think it is easier to connect with how to do get into that state now, like a pathway has been established?

and should i just keep trying everytime i go to sleep/nap to have one ? Or do you only have them once a week or so?

Keep trying as many times as possible.  No 2 people are the same when it comes to the frequency and regularity of OBEs. But usually those people who want OBEs to occur and try to induce them on a regular basis are Much more likely to experience them. So keep trying!

Grey

Dood  !
What's up. Long time since we've communicated. It's good to see you posting here.

I too strongly agree with Stookie.
I sometimes 'lurk' on other websites where I am not a member (like Astral Dynamics and MysticWeb. Many lurkers don't post because of a fear of being flamed or ridiculed.
So I sometimes add an extra thought or idea to one of my posts thinking that non-members will see it and may, perhaps, be positively influenced. By that I mean that 'lurkers' will realize that OBEs are a real, objective event that can happen for them also.

Grey

Venus
I used to get agitated or upset when people questioned the validity of my OBEs via forum posts. Now I don't care too much. There are a relatively few AstralPulse members whose opinions I truly value. As you might expect those are the people who have been members here for years, have repeatedly posted their own OBEs here and who regularly contribute to the various forum threads. (btw I do value your opinion as well).
It is annoying when people criticize an OBE as 'only a dream' but there is no need to get irritated. Over the years I have learned to shed those comments off as a duck shakes off water. Over time you will most probably feel the same way also.
Please continue to posts your OBEs here. You will probably find that the positive comments and insights offered here easily outweigh the negative posts of the critics.

Grey

The Silver Cord is Rarely seen by people during an OBE. So there is no need to be concerned about a silver cord Not being there.

It could be that
1) the silver cord is only attached to some, and not all, people or
2) the silver cord is normally invisible or
3) the "vibration rate" of the silver cord makes it difficult, but not impossible, to see while OOB.
In any event few people see it yet almost everyone who goes out of body feels that they are safe without it.

Grey 

That Was an OBE and it is perfectly normal to be confused during the first projection.
It should be easier in future OBEs to become aware of the out of body state and thereby enjoy the experience and to do more during the projection.

Grey

NightLight
The people that you you interacted with during your OBE where either
a) people that where also having an OBE or
b) people that were OOB but only experienced it as a dream (thought that they were Only dreaming) or
C) people who had died (ghosts).

In any case it does not make too much difference who you encountered. The important point is that your progression into the astral/ethereal realm seems to be going well. So there is no real cause for concern.
Just keep trying to project ! and see what happens.

Grey

Thanx for the link db.
I'll check out your new blog soon and return with feedback.

btw The astral journal/blog has become very popular lately. And many are fascinating reads. People who blog can post their own experiences, comment on their own OBEs and also take comments from others who read their posts.
Come to think about it my own blog seems like a good idea.

Grey

If I may be so bold as to ask you doverpoet---
What was it that you did while out of body that was so wild and out of character ??


Curious

Grey

Negative encounters Do sometimes occur during OBEs. When it happens the most effective course of action is to try several different courses of action.
Try to talk to the entity.
Try to be firm with the entity.
Then command the entity to leave.
Then threaten the entity with violence.
Finally, if none of the above have worked, it is the old FIGHT or FLIGHT option. Either blast the energy with whatever weapons/magick/psychic forces are available or leave immediately.

The above progression of options should ensure that you do not attack a friendly discarnate.
Grey

Confusion and uncertainty are normal during the first few OBEs. Best advice that I can give is to have a predetermined action or destination in mind. Then during the OBE the consciouness will recall what that predetermined action or destination is and will automatically act on it.

Grey

That must have been an emotional experience. And I hope that you will experience further After Death Communications (ADCs) with your deceased father in the near future (perhaps either through a dream(s) or and OBE(s).

Grey

Venus
Your experience certainly seems like an OBE to me.
Plus you started your account with the words

I was definitely OOB this morning.

That always annoys me when I post an account of one of my OBEs and someones else responds with (something like) "You were probably only dreaming" .
Yet you handled those Doubting Thomases quite well. Don't let others doubts shake your own confidence. You are able to discern the difference between an OBE and a dream. So just keep rolling along (and you do appear to be on a good roll OBE-wise).

btw that familiar person that you met in the college could have been your friend who was also out of body yet did not realize it. She might have been confusing her own OBE with dream imagery. According to other OBE accounts that I have read that sort of thing does happen frequently.

Grey

I can also vouch for the effectiveness of the RMI Hemi-sync CD's.
I had an OBE less than one week after first listening to a hemi-sync CD titled "Spirit's Journey". The OBE did not happen that same night but occured 3 or 4 days later. When I listen to a hemi-sync CD I can feel myself begin to enter an altered state of consciousness. Very powerful.
There are obviously many possibilities there so I heartily recommend listening to those CDs every night if possible. It seems to be working for me at any rate.

Grey

Here I post my most recent OBE, which occured just 2 nights ago. It is titled

"Dream >>> Lucid Dream >>> OBE"
Sunday, January 11, 2009

   Dream. This began as a dream where I walked around in an unfamiliar area of Pittsburgh while listening to a baseball game on radio. The Pittsburgh Pirates played the NY Mets. Bob Prince was the announcer. Bob Prince died many years ago and this fact must have registered on my consciousness because a short time later I became lucid.
   Lucid dream. After a short flight I flew into a shopping mall. Once inside the mall I noticed a vertical shaft in the ceiling. I floated up into this shaft and continued up until it ended. I was trying to get outside of the building/mall. There were other vertical shafts nearby. Finally I floated up a shaft then had to climb up by hand to the top and slowly heaved myself out through an opening. Once outside, near a city street, I realized that this had become an OBE.
   OBE # 82 "Dream >>> Lucid Dream >>> OBE"
   I was sprawled on a sidewalk along a city street somewhere. Was this a physical world location? or a BST? or somewhere else? I don't know. Across the street a large building took up the area of an entire block. I soon realized that this was a school. Several workers (maintenance people) were busy going about their jobs.
   For a minute I wondered whether or not I should go into this school. Did I arrive there for a special reason? or was it just random chance? Then a strange thing happened. Another person crawled out of the opening of the vertical shaft (it appeared as a manhole cover over an underground maintenance shaft). It was a young woman, probably in her mid twenties, very attractive, dark hair and dark eyes. She was not familiar. We spoke briefly. It was obvious that we were going to share this experience together. We were both tired (?) yet we both felt a kind of langorous subtle sensuality that was nearly euphoric. Alas, before we could go anywhere or do anything this abruptly ended.
   Notes. This OBE occured late at night between 3:30 and 5:00 AM. The dream lasted more than 20 minutes (the lucid part of the dream was about 10 minutes). The OBE was relatively short as its duration was less than 5 minutes. Probably lay on my right side.
OBE # 82 Locale was either I or a BST. No familiar Location(s). No Familiar Person(s) (only in the dream). There were Other Persons -- a Discarnate (the girl) and Physical Persons ?? (the people at the school). Affirmations. Dream>>LD>>OBE. Emotional. Energy (pranayama). Meditation**. Travel-teleport.
**Important Note. I practiced the Rope/Ladder technique earlier that night. I visualized climbing up a rope ladder ( 2 ropes joined by hand/foot rungs) for about 5 minutes before going to sleep.  The similarity between the Rope technique and the floating up/climbing up and out of the vertical shaft opening into the OBE is unmistakable and obvious. During the lucid dream the conscious thought of going out of body never occured. Yet the subconscious desire was Definately there and this eventually led to the OBE.

Thanx to all who read through the entire (rather long) post. The trivial details were omitted and the OBE account was edited as much as possible.

Comments, suggestions and questions are welcome

Grey

Thanx for posting that Synergy

But really, how could things Possibly get any weirder than they already are in and around that area??? On the HSI (High Strangeness Index) of 0 through 10 that place is Already at 11 +.
lol


Grey

Hi Bond Girl

It probably depends literally upon the 'Spiritual awareness' of the beings that you encounter. Most likely a few 'ghosts' will realize that you are a (temporary) astral traveller while most will be unaware of your true state and will believe that you are 'one of them (permanently discarnate).

In any event it may not make much difference in the short term. You will be able to interact and converse with them to the same degree regardless of their state (ghost or OBEer).

btw  Ever wonder if any ghost sightings are actually the sightings of a living person who was having an OBE?? Makes you wonder.

Grey

I look forward to posting any OBEs that I might have in 2009. The problem was that in 2008 that I had only 7 OBEs all year (and all were posted on AstralPulse btw).

Yet I understand your frustration with the relative lack of OBE reports on AstralPulse. I always look forward to reading other people's OBE accounts on this website.

Grey

BondGirl
Thanx for posting !
Regarding  question 1
1. Why do I keep running into dead people?
Because like attracts like in the astral/ethereal realms and those ghosts that you continually meet are actually much like you. The biggest difference between you and them is that you were temporarily out of your physical body while they are permanently OOB! Beyond that there are far more similarities than differences.

Regarding question # 4
4. Do you think that our astral form resembles our physical form?
Most definately Yes. Once or twice I have seen my astral/ethereal body while OOB and it looked most similar to my physical body. Most reports that I have read of people who see their astral/ethereal body (soul/spirit, etc) also report it to be nearly identical with their physical body. It might be possible to (temporarily) alter one's form while OOB. Yet the natural appearance is similar to the physical.

Grey

Sounds like a classic Belief System Territory (BST).
There are probably more variations of BSTs in the astral realm than anybody realizes. No doubt many people believe that they are out of body on physical earth when they are actually visiting some sort of BST.

Thanx for posting

Grey