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InnerVoyager
My guess is that there is a certain amount of electrical and heat energy contained in every wall (electrical wires inside each wall and the normal heat retained in a wall). Normally this energy will not be a barrier to passing through the wall. Sometimes, however, when OOB when a person's own energy is low or their concentration and focus are lacking (as was the case during my latest OBE) the low amount of energy inside a wall DOES act as a barrier and prevents the person from passing through.

Grey

Most of what has been posted here regarding infinity are ideas that I generally agree with.
IMHO the metaverse (or multiverse) is infinite.
btw I believe that infinity lies in the countless 4 dimensional space-time universes that make up the metaverse. But somehow I think that the higher planes ('astral planes" of the fifth dimension and above) are not infinite and eventually do have some sort of limitation and end. That is why I generally reject the notion of seeking wisdom and knowledge on the "higher' astral planes. This might seem counterintuitive to many people and, of course, there is no way to prove it. It is a very strong  gut feeling.

Grey

This is my most recent OBE, a short one, that happened 2 days ago (Tuesday 11/25.)

Out Of Body Experience # 81
Deliberate, But Short, With Barrier
Tuesday, November 25, 2008

   Strong vibrations awoke me late at night. The vibrations continued to grow until they were almost violent. At the peak of the vibrations I consciously attempted to separate my consciousness (astral/ethereal body) from my physical body. It took less than a minute to affect that separation. I rose/floated up a few feet directly over my physical body.
   It was very obvious that I needed to get a good distance away from my physical body. So I tried to go through the window in the bedroom to get outside. Unfortunately the window was on the other side of the bed. Even though I charged at the window my physical body on the bed acted as a sort of barrier. So I could not go through the window.
   Then I glided/floated into the next room and tried to get outside through a small triangular window. I nearly made it outside yet could not get through and suddenly found myself reintegrated back in my physical body.
   Notes. Unsure what time the OBE happened, sometime between Midnight and 3:00 AM. The duration was short - only 60 to 90 seconds. I physically lay on my right side.
OBE # 81. Locale I, a Familiar Location. No Familiar or Unfamiliar Person(s) or Being(s).
Deliberate,  Barrier,  Meditation,  Brain Wave Generator/Hemisync (I listened to a RMI Metamusic CD last night for the first time in over a month),  Energy - (pranayama),  Floated,  Short.

Thanx for reading.
Comments and opinions are welcome.

Grey

Great
In the past few weeks some people have had nasty encounters with wild astral dogs (myself included  )
Now there are wild giant astral worms roaming around as well.

Where's the Ethereal Animal Control Department when you need it

Take care

Grey

slipknot

I have had a few negative encounters during some of my OBEs. (The latest negative encounter is on this forum page). So such things Do happen but don't be put off by them.

You did well as you did not get scared or panicked and handled that situation quite well.
If it happens to you again then next time try to either use energy to burn or shock the attacking discarnate creature Or
try to teleport it to someplace far away.

Negative astral creatures usually Feed on fear so if you stay brave and attack back then you usually win the fight.

Grey

jacko

It could mean something else. When I was young I had Many OBEs but did not know what they were so only remembered them as dreams.
Anyway, even if you did have OBEs with an encounter against wild dogs then you need not be concerned about it. Because If you did have OBEs those were years ago and you may be ready to move on to more, fully conscious OBEs.

Grey

[Have]

SkepticBoy

I have 2 conflicting thoughts about your post and its attendant question of validation.

First. I have read many posts like yours seeking validation of OBEs. Some of those other posts Have been answered to satisfaction IMHO. That means that some people, during an OBE, DO witness physical world events and have been able to validate that those events DID happen while they were out of body. Not to make Too big a deal about this (especially because I cannot remember any particular post) but if you are still interested then it should be possible to find some information by doing a SEARCH on AstralPulse using the keywords "validation" and "OBE". Or go to The Voice Of Silence website www.invisiblelight.us and read some of his OBEs (TVOS has a very good websight, you will have to register there first.)

Second. I totally understand the need by a newcomer to seek testimonials of validation of OBEs. Many people attempt to explain away the validity of OBEs by claiming that the conscious mind attains external information by using remote viewing (RV) or ESP or another psychic power. In other words some people claim that the consciousness does Not leave the body during an OBE and obtains information via another method.

This issue is confusing because (in my opinion) the consciousness can and does leave the physical body (in an OBE) AND can also obtain information without leaving the body via RV, clairvoyance, telepathy and other psychic powers.

So the only sound advice that I offer to you is to continue your search for knowledge in an open-minded way. OBEs DO exist!! You CAN experience one! And personal proof will ultimately decide this issue for you. Asking questions is perfectly legitimate. Just don't get jaded if noone can provide the proof that you need in an internet forum.

Grey

DOA
Interesting. After your first OBE you seemed to gradually lose consciousness/lucidity and memory as well. It is probable that all three experiences were OBEs with the last 2 being with dream consciousness (your consciousness/astral body was separate from your physical body but was not alert and focused so you remember those experiences as dream-like). btw that must happen alot to people hence the enormous number of posts titled "was this an OBE or a dream?"

Grey

jub jub

From my experience and the reports of others as well it would appear that there are feral canines roaming certain astral realms (as well as many other discarnate animals and creatures on the loose as well).

Grey

[BRAVO !!!]

Prophazuh
You did well to ward off whatever it was that menaced you during that OBE.
You are adament in claiming that it Was a discarnate being you encountered And that you Were out of body during that experience.
For that I can only say ----

BRAVO !!!

Stick to your guns and DON'T let Anyone try to "interpret" your OBE for you.
While I respect Synergy as she has obviously had a lot of experience in the out of body phenomena I also greatly respect the fact that you had a hostile encounter with a discarnate being during an OBE.

Personally I have had dozens of OBEs. Fortunately only 4 or 5 of those OBEs have involved a violent encounter. That is a low percentage and the frequency of such encounters are rare. Yet they do occur from time to time. And certainly not only to me but also to hundreds of other people as well. Reports of violent OBE encounters (and Hellish NDEs) can be found in abundance. For example my latest OBE involved a violent encounter with discarnate dogs. It was posted on the Astral Experiences forum about 2 weeks ago.

Anyway, Prohazuh, I believe you did meet something very hostile during an OBE. You did well during that encounter. So don't feel the need to "defend" yourself from people who don't believe you. If you are certain that it was an OBE then that is enough for me.

Thanx for posting your experience.

Grey

starvingp and Venus --
Thanx for the info on the Vieira books.

iNNERvOYAGER
I do visit urban and rural area in my OBEs (both familiar and unfamiliar). However during this past OBE I cannot recall any specific locations. It was outside and it was very dark. Most probably I was somewhere close to the place where I physically live.

Grey

Th13rteen
I agree with your thoughts about some dreams being actual experiences in an alternate or parallel universe(s).

Let me give you my own angle on that idea.
Some dreams are actually complex thought forms (Robert Monroe used the term "rotes") that are shared by other people (physical or discarnate) from another universe. When you have such a dream then you are "reading" the rote that another person shared from his/her alternate/parallel universe.
This simplifies the process of experiencing such an alternate universe Because you do not have to actually be in that alternate universe, your consciousness does not even need to leave your physical body. Instead the dream/rote/information is passed/shared with you (via some, as yet to be explained, information network).

I have had Many of these types of dreams. They are not ordinary dreams yet are Not (for me atleast) really OBEs.

Grey

Thanx to Mattoid and Venus for your replies.

Mattoid
I am quite sure that this was an OBE.

Venus
Quite interesting that I read an OBE report from someone who posted an eerily similar OBE on AstralSociety.us  The OBE posted there was Very similar to mine.

The first fight was against 2 discarnate creatures that only somewhat resembled dogs.

The second fight was definately against a pack of 'wild' astral dogs.
I really do not know where all this originally took place so maybe it is this same location that was visited by Waldo Vieria.

BTW Vieria's book "Projections of the Consciousness". Is that the mamoth 1,200 page tome advertised at the IAC website??
Have you read that book and is it worth the time trying to get through it all?

Thanx
Grey

Projecting back to a specific event in time (whether personal or historical) is much more likely to result in success than going back to a general time period.
Most astral time travel adventures that I have read about involved an OBE time traveller going back to an important moment in their own lifetime -- a point in time that held a special meaning for them.

Do not know whether such time travel is to an alternate universe or not.

Occasionally people also report OBE time travelling into the furture.

Grey

This OBE happened about 2 weeks ago, on the night/morning of Friday, October 3, 2008

   There were 2 vicious fights against astral creatures. The first took place in a dark street or alley. I was with someone. I don't know who he is but he was familiar to me in the astral realm. Suddenly we were attacked by a canine-like creature. It charged us out of the darkness. I was taken off guard and could neither fly or use magick. A second discarnate creature entered the fray a minute later. I tore one creature into a smoky misty mass. The smoke swirled around briefly in a hectic chaotic manner and slowly dissipated. Then the second creature simply disappeared.
   The second fight happened only minutes later. This time I was alone and was suddenly beset by a pack of wild (astral) dogs. Outnumbered, I was in trouble from the beginning and was savagely bitten a number of times. I did not feel pain but was acutely aware of a loss of energy. This might have become serious. Two things helped me immensely. First, I became astrally aware = was conscious that I was out of body. Second, I returned to my physical body. Yet I was not awake so the fight continued for half a minute. Finally I woke up in the physical. The pack of astral dogs were gone. I felt the mental strain of those two fights for hours afterwards.
   Notes. Not sure what time this OBE occured as I only recalled it hours later that morning. Duration was anytime from 10 to 20 minutes.
OBE # 80  Locale I.  Familiar Location  Yes. Familiar person  Yes?? (Discarnate friend).  Other Person(s) or Being(s)  Yes Discarnate Dogs and Discarnate Creatures.  Emotional,  Fight,  Meditation,  Energy (pranayama),  Travel-teleport.

Thanx for taking the time to read this OBE report.
Opinions and comments are welcome.

Grey

Two nights ago I had a very unusual dream. In this dream I was aboard a commercial jetliner waiting to take off. When the plane did start to go airborne the scene changed to an uphill city street. The aircraft taxied through a large gate and then increased speed, eventually going airborne on top of the hill.

Thinking about this dream after waking up in the morning I seriously considered the idea that it was actually a full (or partial) OBE with only dream consciousness.

Does anyone else regularly have dreams of flying? I tend to have Many flying dreams and in most of those dreams I fly alone without Any mechanical devices (like airplane, helicopter, balloon). Most of these are obviously only a dream and nothing else. Yet some flying dreams are special and seem to be unconscious/dream conscious OBEs.

Grey

Like most things metaphysical, and life in general, people differ widely in their innate abilities. While there are some people who can go OBE nearly every time they try it is safe to say that Most of us have a far lower success rate.
Motivation and practice (meditation, energy work, hemisync, etc) are also factors that vary from person to person.
Speaking strictly for myself the success rate is actually quite low. I need to get into the pre-projection "state" naturally and when that does happen the rate of successful OBEs is only about 10% or so.

Grey

Right

Perhaps you have some type of ability to engage your higher mind/higher consciousness during certain OBEs and maybe that is what occured.
If so it would be even more difficult to understand and describe using the everyday waking mind.

Grey

Hi Drift

I just had a long post replying to you experience report completely lost.

So I am going to be concise.
Several people have reported (on internet forums) experiences similar to yours.
Your use of the term 'Hybrid" is very appropriate as it may have been part OBE, part dream/LD and part something else.

If states of consciousness can be conceived of as huge transparent and overlapping spheres....then your experiences may have been the "spheres"/states of consciousness of a)OBE and b)dream and c) something else each overlapping one another.

Grey

Very cool Kodemaster,
thanx for posting.

Do you consider the time travel experiences to have been OBEs or something else?

If the time travel was done while out of body then do you believe that you entered into an alternate universe?
Or might it perhaps have been some type of Belief System Territory or astral realm?

Just curious
Grey

Very cool Kodemaster,
thanx for posting.

Do you consider the time trvel experiences to have been OBEs or something else?

If the time travel when done while out of body then do you believe that you entered into an alternate universe?
Or might it perhaps been some type Belief System Territory  of astral realm?

Just curious
Grey

Drift
to answer your question ---Yes, I have had (at least 0ne) experience that could not adequately be described by words.

My questions are
a) was your experience an astral projection or was it something else? and
b) did you encounter any beings or entities during your experience? Encounters with discarnates can be accurate guidelines in putting an experience in perspective.`

Grey

[IF]

At first glance this looked as if it Might be a serious scientific study.

Yet on second thought.....their premise goes .... if a person has an NDE and goes out of body in an emergency room Then that person should be able to see a number placed where nobody at floor level could see it.
However, if a person does have an NDE and does go OBE in the ER then one of the ABSOLUTE LEAST thoughts on that person's mind would be..."Oh yes, the scientific NDE/OBE study and...let's see If I can read a number on top of a cabinet, then memorize that number and repeat that number back to the doctors, that is IF I don't die and somehow manage to survive all this."
PAH-LEASE!!!

Actually this is all BS. As anyone even remotely knowledgable about NDEs knows conducting a scientific study is the LAST thing a person undergoing a NDE will think about (no pun intended).
NDEs are profoundly emotional and life transforming experiences. Anyone experiencing a NDE WILL NOT be interested in looking for hidden numbered cards and validating a (half serious) "Scientific"study.

Grey

A more or less 'classical' spontaneous OBE.

Briana
You were confused because you did not realize that your consciousness had separated from your physical body. You probably thought that the experience was a dream --- which it was not !

Don't be put off by what happened. It is actually quite normal. An OBE is an event to be valued as special, not one to be feared.

Maybe the next time that it happens you will be more aware of what is going on. Then maybe you can take advantage of it (visit a friend, go somewhere exotic or fly through the night sky outdoors).

Grey

This is posted a day or two After the start up of the atom crusher SOOOooo if you can read this the world HAS Not ended and therefore things are not so bad.

Of course the LHC people are still searching (mostly in the dark for whatever they are searching for). CERN is likely to make chance discoveries that are unexpected and not what they wanted. My gut feeling about all of this is that the scientists at CERN are running towards a dead end YET WILL happen to discover something important by mere random chance. And that is, BTW, the history of science in a nutshell .... random discoveries that were not expected and yet, nonetheless, changed the course of history and the focus of science.

GO FIGURE

Grey