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This discusion is similar to the other one concerning the effects of Electro-Magnetic fields on the brain and how it induces the 'illusion' of paranormal experiences.
As I said in another post, scientists recently discovered that by exposing subjects to EM fields they were able to induce partial obes, feelings of presences etc.
The scientists of course went on to state that this explains all facets of paranormal experiences, however as usual they didnt stop to think that just because they have noted the physical effects of an experience that DOES NOT nececerialy lead one to conclude that it is the SOURCE of that experience.

I can see how EM fields can produce such effects as well.
It makes sense to me that the subtle bodies are kept in alignment with the physical most likely by using some kind of magnetic attraction, so of course being exposed to certain EM fields can lead to them being pulled 'out of alignment' to an extent, exposing the subject to low level astral experiences,
then the presences, partial obes and all the rest of it come in to play.
Subjects often state that the experience is quite frightning.
Their fears will certainly affect them due to the nature of the astral.

The basic problem here, as always is that scientists always try to explain things according to material knowns and this always skews their results.

Don't get me wrong, I like science and we wouldnt be here on this forum without it, we need it.

But scientsts should stick to what they're good at, explaning and researching aspects of the physical world, they should leave everything else alone!

Regards,
Douglas

Hi Mobius.
I saw that story about the fan.
Actually, it was not wind resistence though.
They found that the fan produced large amounts of electro-magnetic energy that was inducing the experiences. Once the fan was removed they stopped.
Scientists then went on to experiment exposing subjects brains to EM fields and found that they felt presences, partial obes etc.

The scientists of course went on to state that this explains all facets of paranormal experiences, however as usual they didnt stop to think that just because they have noted the physical effects of an experience that DOES NOT nececerialy lead one to conclude that it is the SOURCE of that experience.

I can see how EM fields can produce such effects as well.
It makes sense to me that the subtle bodies are kept in alignment with the physical most likely by using some kind of magnetic attraction, so of course being exposed to certain EM fields can lead to them being pulled 'out of alignment' to an extent, exposing the subject to low level astral experiences,
then the presences, partial obes and all the rest of it come in to play.
Subjects often state that the experience is quite frightning.
Their fears will certainly affect them due to the nature of the astral.

The basic problem here, as always is that scientists always try to explain things according to material knowns and this always skews their results.

Don't get me wrong, I like science and we wouldnt be here on this forum without it, we need it.

But scientsts should stick to what they're good at, explaning and researching aspects of the physical world, they should leave everything else alone!

Regards,
Douglas

Thanks, I'll give that a try!
I think I'll proceed with the reiki as well though, as an extra boost!

Douglas

Hi Joe,
Some good points here. I would add though that Dr Edmond Szeleky's origninal translations are very good and he made an excellent job of translating the qumran texts.
I never said that I bought into the biogenic 'industry' that has sprout out of the dead sea scroll texts, I agree that much peddling has being going on since Szeleky's time, however, as you state this was never his intention, he cant be heldresponsible for the later actions of others.
The fact remains that Jesus' dietry system and other teachings ie the Earthly Mother etc are accurate as translated.
The question is whether the essene writers of the Qumran texts were living according to his system or whether they were making it up.

I acknowelege that some texts relating to Jesus teachings date to approx the same date but these are moslty Roman texts ie tacitus and Josephus as you rightly say.
However these writers are writing from an outside Roman perspective that colours their views and also contains much heresay and speculation taken as fact.
The importance of the aramaic texts is that these are actually written by the Christian 'hardcore' of the period and offer a viewpoint from those on the inside who are in the best position to know Christ's original teachings.
Of course that does not mean that they could not have altered them either but there is likely to be a higher degree of acuracy in these than there would from roman writers who were have only outside perspective to go on.

It's also important to remember that teachings meant for the Roman public have been watered down to make them more likely to be recieved, and any early christian missionary work meant for Roman readership suffers from this.

Regards,
Douglas

PS I have never said that i actually beleive the essene teachings to be the *exact* words of Christ, only that they are likley to have more accuracy than other sources. I do not rule out the fact that the essenes have added their own particular flavouring to the mix as well. However I think it's quite logical say that they are a  lot closer to Christ's original teachings than later New testement teaching as it simply cannor be denied that a lot of material has been altered added/removed.
My suggestion is simply that if people want to get a more accurate view of Christ's teachings it is more logical to look at the far earlier material, such as essene teaching (or other  sources - eg The book of Enoch - PRE-DATING Christ by a century and which Christ used as a source for a lot of his teaching, approved by the later church but then omited entirely).
It is simply more logical to do this than to look at the New testement.
However, I am a historian so perhaps I'm getting hung up on procedure here but from historical method dictates that you trace back to earliest sources for a given event as later versions contain inaccuracies. Later writings based on earlier material always contain the viewpoints of those the time in which it was written.

Regards,
Douglas

PS I still have the upmost respect for the man himself (Christ) and I am in no doubt that he was a very important ancient teacher, even if I don't accept the notion that he was the son of god. Evidence suggests that the 'Son of Man' did not intend for that notion become the norm either.
I can't help thinking that he would be turning in his grave if he knew that his teachings had turned into an organised, centralised world religion!

Fallnangel77,
The moral of the story is never post when you're  under the influence of alchohol!

Regards,
Douglas

>in the end, no matter what arguments are concocted or what opinions rule the day, christianity is all about Loving.

~kakkarot


I'm afraid that this does not address what we are discussing about in this thread, which is concerned with the *written* teachings and their vast difference in the earliest versions to the latest. The fact being that Jesus would not be at all chuffed to find that his ideas for a spiritual way of life based on love (like you say) has been perverted into an organised world religion, complete with written scriptures (which Jesus was ALSO dead against, 'the scripture are as dead as the men who wrote them'.

We do not know for caertain what Jesus was really saying though as the very earliest writings come from the essenes in the 1st Century, and they claim to be living according to the words of Christ. However, they could be making up these teachings as well, That would be a shame because then we would really have NO IDEA what Christ was really teaching.
Your quote comes from the New Testement which is not reliable as has now been proved. (your quote from the NT  IS consistent with the earlier scriptures, its just that anybody who really wants to get closer to Christs original teachings would be well advised to look at far earlier material)

I would advise that you look to  the original essene teachings as these are the 'new testement' in its earliest form. Be warnd though, if you think that all the words of the NT are carved in stone direct from god, then you are in for a major shock!

Regards,
Douglas

>I've from some people that if you type a belt around the circumference of your head it takes the headache away in about five to ten minutes


So that's what Rambo was up to then...
I'm not suprised that he suffered from severe headaches as he was exposed to many high stress situations!



Douglas

I'll try to find the name of the German historian, his research was published in an academic journal last year, I'll be damned if I can remember his name though.

Time to go a-hunting!

Douglas

Interesting,
I read that Christ and the Essene movement was basically (one of several) resistence movements to roman rule in the region.

There has been some interesting research done recently by a german historian which shows good evidence that christian/essene activists actually started the great fire of Rome durig Nero's reign. he historian discovered that the date of the fire coresponded to a sacred date of the essene/christian movement that was menat to be a day of apocolypse. Its looks like the activists were hoping to make the old phrophesy's come true.
Evidence shosw that large fires were started in several other roman cities ON THE SAME NIGHT!

So in fact, Nero was quite justified in punishing those responsible for these acts of terrorism. Of course Nero was later painted in a less than favourable light by later christian propaganda (not that he was a saint himself by any means but who in power usually is?).

Regards,
Douglas

As far as I know though, no one has browsed the akashic records to find out about other physical civilisations. This doesnt mean that other civs dont exist, in fact I'm sure they do, but no one has made an attempt to look for them using the akashic records yet.
Since the akashic records are records of everything that has happened in the physical world this will extend to all the planets of the universe.
I think a big problem though is that we humans are naturally attuned to records pertaining to Earth and it may be difficult to shift awareness away to look at what's going on anywhere else.
In fact just being able to get the hang of browsing the records in any degree is a feat for most people.

Maybe a more feasable experiment for someone who is interested in other physical civilisations is to browse the records to look for any physical civs visiting earth, (UFO sightings etc), these should show up on the record if looked for.

Douglas

Well, I think that is what is happening with most mental illneses.
The brain's wiring is wrong so the mind isnt properly interfaced with it.
Then you get all the reality fluctuations of the astral appearing to 'invade' the phisical, like you say, they cant tell the difference between 'dream' and 'reality'.

The fear involved then goes on to provide some truly scary situations/paranoia/delusions etc.

Not good...

Douglas

Well, the earliest sources we really have are the Essene teachings found in the dead sea scrolls, dating from 1st C AD.
The Essenes were a cult that practiced the teachings of a prophet called Jesus Christ.

The later christian cult/religion stemmed from the Essene movement (and at some point lost the point that the essene movement was meant to be a way of life rather than an organised religion).

Of course you could ague that maybe even the Essenes were making up/distorting Christs original teachings.
If this is true then we really have *NO IDEA* what Christ was really teaching, as the essenes are the earliest source we currently have of Christ's teachings.
It doesnt matter really, the point remains that the original essene teachings have been twisted/chopped by later Christian religion.
whether the Essenes really did live by the words of Christ we may never know.

Douglas

I'll tell you what though, I t would make a damn good crop circle design....

So YOU'RE the one that's been responsible for them!

CONFESS!!!

Douglas

right, fair enough.

Douglas

Oops!
Sorry, disregard that bit about the book on Enoch, I was thinking of another book!

The book of Enoch IS a part of the bible that was removed though,  but it details the nature of the angels and the rebellon of the angels etc, and looks to have been written in the 1st/2nd century BC at least. Jesus himself used it as a source of many of his own teachings and it was held in high regard before it fell out of favour with the christian highearchy.

Cheers,
Douglas

Alpha,
As far as scholars are aware the dead sea scrolls are the *earliest* writings yet found of what would later become the 'new testement'.

Because they date to a period just after Christ then they are most likely to be accurate.
Most of the 'New testement' is constructed several centuries after with only certain parts left in of the original material.
The original documents formed the basis of the 'Essene' movement, the original cult that followed Christs teachings, this would eventially evolve into what we know as 'christianity'.

As far as I'm aware the whole loaves and fishes story is yet another part of the mythology that was added in later as this story does not appear to be included in the original, just like the imaculate conception story.
These were all added later as as Roman christians infused the Essene teachings with their own classical motifs. Read any classical mythology, you'll find very similar motifs running through them.
This isnt news really, as most work deconstructing the bible and esablishing its roots in mythology was done in the 18th Century.

Anyway, the loaves and fishes story is fine since that story went in while Jesus' diet regime went out so no readers of the new testement would be aware that jesus wouldnt actually be partial to fish, or the flesh of any living creature for that matter.

PS the Book Of Enoch is another major chunk of the bible that got the chop, I recomend this as well as it makes references to a great many facts that make Jesus into someone much more 'human' and go into some detail about his marriage to Mary magdalene etc, later branded as 'heresy' by the catholic church, but this book was a fundamental part of the new testement!

Regards,
Douglas

Yes,
The book of Enoch is one such part of the bible that has been dropped!

Douglas

WWHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOHH!

Sounds a bit extreme Tisha.
Fools now are they?

I think you should settle down a bit, sounds like YOU need a bit of grounding!

Douglas

PS James, I think you would appreciate some of Christ's original ideas about the Earthly Mother, esp. due to your experiences with Gaia.
Christ beleived that the Earthly Mother was everywhere, was nature itself.
She even has her own angels, angels of the water, the air, the woods etc
Quite similar to many pagan beliefs actually.
The Earthly Mother is JUST as important as the Heavenly Father, but the whole feminine aspect has been droped by the church.

Jeseus says himself also, that you should not simply beleive what you read in the scriptures as 'they are dead as the people who wrote them are dead' but that you must see the Earthly mother in everything around you, in the air, the trees etc.

I agree that some of his original teachings have survived in the new testement and can be found if you're careful enough but there has been to much re-translation and chopping/revising of material plus an infusion of dogma.
That is why I would recomend his original teachings only.
However, I have found that although he does indeed have many great ideas Jesus himself can be quite dogmatic at times and some of his ideas tend to be a bit extreme. Highly recomended though!

Regards,
Douglas

James -
I agree,
Christianity is meant to be a way of life, not a religion.
Its easy to get hold of Christ's original teachings, they have all been translated now as they were found in the dead sea scrolls and in the original aramaic manuscripts translated into english by Dr Edmond Szekely.

You will be suprised at how much has been left out of the later 'New testement' including the whole feminine aspect.
As well as the heavenly father who resides in heaven, there is the earthly mother who resides on earth.
I would recomend  the translated manuscript (dating from 1st century AD) now published as 'The Gospel of the Essenes'
The Essenes were the group that jesus founded or belonged to.
Be warned though, although many of jesus original teachings contain many good ideas, some of them IMO are a bit extreme like his strict veggie diet (only as the earthly mother indended it - only raw fruit and veg, NO COOKING) and no kill policy, (ie you must NOT eat or use the hides of animals as this is an affront to the earthly mother - so get rid of your leather shoes!).

Highly recomended, whether you agree with Christ's theories or not.
They're good to read even just to see how much has been left out by later 'revised' christianity!

Regards,
Douglas

This might make sense though.
Jesus disappears for many years between childhood and adulthood.
There are suggestions that he may have widely travelled in these years and perhaps learned learned from yogis and buddhists, this would account for the familiar theories, although as we can see, Christ adapted them to fit/modify his own Judean belief system.

You're quite right though, Christ's original teachings are much more akin to buddhism than 'revised' christianity.

Regards,
Douglas

Most of the material about Jesus's dietry regime (regime being the right word!) as well as his theories about the Earthly Mother and Heavenly Father plus his healing abilities, can be found in the short book 'The Gospel of Peace of Jesus Christ', translated by Szekely.This is only one small part of the entire manuscript collection however.

The complete manuscript has now been translated by Dr. Edmond Szekely and is titled 'The gospel of the Essenes'. The Essenes were the group that Jesus founded or belonged to.
Szekely spent a lot of time translating the work from the original aramaic but it iis now availabe for all to see. As I said earlier the manuscripts contain Christ's original teachings and date to the 1st Century AD, the earliest record we have of what would later become 'the new testament'.

Christs original teachings in the form of the dead sea scrolls and the Aramaic manuscripts are actually well known as they surfaced back in 1936. Despite initial attempts at suppression by the vatican they are now widely available.

I only just read them recently.
My initial impression is that Jesus had a lot of good ideas, but some of his ideas were a bit wacked out and completely impracticle IMO - How he expected his followers to do without cooked food and leather seems a bit strange.

I like his ideas about the Earthly Mother though, quite similar to pagan beliefs of the Earth Mother goddess aspect. The fact that she has her own angels, of the air, water, trees etc sounds similar to celtic style beliefs.
I like this idea, its a pity its one of jesus' theories that was later erased.

Regards,
Douglas

hmm,
it could be then that the 'focus 27' that monroe describes sounds like the highest or near the highest astral vibration/level.
People who hang around here probably stay until they're ready to shed their astral bodies and enter the mental level.

But even to reach this highest level of the astral seems like a major achievement.

Douglas

I see.
In the traditional descriptions it is said that there are 7 planes with 7 subplanes within each.
The astral was the first one I think.

However, you could use the term astral in a collective sense like you say.

I have done some reading and the higher 'planes' above astral are really higher levels of consiousness rather than planes as such.

Douglas

It's not too hard to do while out of body. It happened to me twice spontaneously, one of which was changing into a giant lizard (dinosaur I suppose). Strange sensation allthough a truck driver I came across was more suprised than me when I crossed the highway..hehe
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Hmm,
I wonder if this accounts for al those 'fortean' cases of bizarre creatures being spotted by passers by.
What you described was exactly like a case I read in the Fortean Times, where a passing driver was shocked to see some strange dinosaur like creature crossing the road.
These kinds of cases are quite common actually.
Perhaps these people are obseving astral projectors in unusual forms, like in your case for example!

Regards,
Douglas