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Sorry that I was shouting before.. I was in a bit of a shouty mood.

I don't think that we are the only planet with life on it in the whole universe. My point was that the distances between solar systems with potentially inhabitable planets are such that it becomes impossible for any living thing to travel it. The human brain is not suited to imagining these distances. Most people have enough difficulty imagining how far away Australia is from the UK. For interstellar travel, not only do you have to take a huge ecosystem with you, but you also have to take enough fuel to get there, and extra fuel to carry that fuel, etc.
You might talk about wormholes, teleportation, black holes, etc., and even though physicists agree that it's theoretically possible to utilise these for transport, they know that it is impossible in practice, and will never be achieved by the human race. Furthermore, you have to have the fuel to get to the nearest black hole and control its oscillations, speed, etc., in order to use it for transport.

And yes, I do still think that crop circles are made by humans. That BBC article said the circle appeared over two nights. I believe the farmer(s) employed perhaps twenty other people to help them do it, in order to attract attention and to tempt tourists to visit.

Heh my mother apparently used to talk in german in her sleep, but she never knew the language. I'm wondering if she's the reincarnation of Hitler...

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I believe in what i studying.Ancient civilizations left us many clues,and secrets,and our job is to discover these clues.People like you will never believe in this staff.If you think,god likes,what people are doing,(war,crimes,beheadings,gangs,guns,)then ur mistaken,if you think aliens likes what we're doing,then ur mistaken.All these crop circles,earthquakes,hurricane katrina,ufo sightings, crying mary,signs of christ,are just warnings,so people can change for good.Dont you get it yet?

I would believe it if I felt there was evidence for this stuff, but as it is it's just a whole load of muddled up crap with no relevance to reality, and much worse than standard religion beliefs. This kind of stuff leads to cults.
I don't think god likes what people do. I don't think god gives one.
I don't think aliens like what we're doing because they don't even know we exist! Honestly, if you looked at it objectively, you would see that there is no way in hell any 'aliens' could visit us, or even communicate with us!

All these crop circles,earthquakes,hurricane katrina,ufo sightings, crying mary,signs of christ,are just warnings,so people can change for good.

Let's take these one by one.
Crop circles - there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that aliens are doing it (and as stated before aliens wouldn't be able to visit). They can be produced by natural processes, and more importantly, examples of them have been proven to be created by humans. Why attribute something to alien intervention, when humans do it anyway?
Earthquakes - tectonics. They happen all the time.
Hurricanes - ditto. Katrina was probably just a statistical freak.
UFO sightings - hallucinations, balls of gas, spy planes.. Abduction phenomenon can be explained by sleep paralysis and hallucinations. UFO's are just unidentified flying objects. It doesn't mean there's little green men in the middle.
Crying mary - WTF?
Christ - made up.
Warnings? I see no warnings. If something wanted to warn us, it would be VERY clear, especially if it had the powers of the so-called virgin mary, christ, or aliens with the power to travel inconcievable distances within a single lifetime.

Do I get it? Yes I get it. You're nuts. All of you are. I shan't be checking this topic again, it's just a waste of my time. I don't want to read inaccurate facts or stupid conspiracy theories. And the world is not going to end in 2012. I will bet my life on it!

Darwin has been disproven over 50 million times. That's over 50,000,000 debunks to the theory of evolution. We are a threefold being and very complex in design. Only intelligent creation explains our existence, and due to metaphysics, there can be only one.

OMFGWTF. How much do you actually know about evolution? How much do you know about the emergence of apparent complexity from simple rules? Intelligent design is not science either. It's, at most, a philosophy.
FYI, there have been NO DEBUNKS to evolution, otherwise biologists would not still use it to explain things. Biologists aren't evil people trying to stop people understanding the 'truth', neither are they ignorant. They are, in fact, incredibly intelligent people, so don't just think that because some IQ 50 creationist can't understand their ideas, that it means evolution is wrong. And, have you studied evolution for the entire of your life? No? Why am I not surprised? Plenty of people have.
Also, FYI, evolution does not concern the appearance of the first organism, it merely describes the processes by which one species evolves into others over time.
EDIT: Just thought. Are you saying that 'god' does not have the power or the intelligence to start a process (evolution) that will look after itself? Shame on you.

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dreamland: You believe it just because it's on a website?

I think it's the same phenomenon as astral blindness. Try walking through a wall, or just don't use sight. Your sense of touch is highly improved out of body - it's like you can feel everything around you at the same time. I think it's called Astral Mind Sensing. Not sure.

For the most part, if your hold your consciousness and focus the numbers won't change on you.

I've studied clocks (a fascination of mine) and watched as the hands dart and move around all over the place with a life of their own.  This happens  as I watch!  I've never tried to actually "freeze" the clock hands, by concentrating, but I suspect they wouldn't obey!

Hmm, interesting. I've witnessed this too. I wonder if it's psychological (ie. something the human mind regards as special about clocks) or some property of the 'astral'/F2

The reason would be that skillful astral projectors are hard to find. Hardly anyone can project at will exactly when they want and find what they're meant to find.
If my memory's correct, Monroe did not find the numbers in the other room that he needed to find but he did correctly recall a conversation going on that he couldn't have known about. Things like that couldn't be used in the analysis.
And besides that, I don't think the general public is aware that people induce OBEs. If you ask a random person on the street they'll probably only know about NDEs, so the number of AP-aware parapsychology researchers is probably low.

I see from the news that the general public is taking notice of this.  IMHO, this is good.

Taking notice of which bit in particular? The undermining of our rights or (the majority of) Islam's extreme sensitivity?

In my opinion there is no need to be afraid of death! Think about it: If U die and everything ends there then U just disappear and U have nothing to remember or feel or be afraid of or whatever... it just ends there (although I doubt it).

That's a rather selfish outlook. What about the grief you'd cause your family and friends?

also i think obes have been scientifically proven, i watched a documentary about them a while ago where a woman who was literally killed while they performed brain surgery then revived managed to describe things theres no way she could have perceived when dead.

Doesn't mean they've been scientifically proven. They have to be reproducable in the lab.

Also, there's the possibility that this knowledge was gained in another way. ESP, telepathy, etc., so while it may be paranormal there's no proof it's an OBE.

To a 'static' observer you would probably seem to be going so slow you would be frozen. yet to yourself, you would be moving at normal speed. But relative to your speed, the static observer would actually be moving at the speed of light, and so he to you would seem to be near frozen.

Yes, that's what I meant. I'm just no good at explaining things.  

Oh, I don't know. I'm confused now. Lol.

I think I was speaking in absolute terms rather than relative terms. So when I said "If you travel at the speed of light.." I should have really said "If you travel at the speed of light relative to an observer, you would appear to freeze". Not sure if that fixes it all though heh.

But the changes we see that time is based on are fixed intervals that don't change. When the Earth rotates it doesn't speed up and slow down. Then we create a concept of time that corresponds to these fixed intervals. If we were to get rid of our concepts of what time is, we would still experience the fixed intervals and someone would create a graph to represent them, creating a new concept of time. It's hard to live and plan without it.

So maybe time is fixed, but our perception of it is the illusion, no matter how close our perception corresponds with reality.

But the intervals do change. As you approach the speed of light, your personal time slows down. If you travel at the speed of light, you time freezes (I think). Any faster than that and it (theoretically) goes backwards, but of course you can't accelerate beyond the speed of light, so you'd have had to be travelling faster than light since the beginning of the universe (which, to you, would be the end, lol).
There must be a relationship between your velocity and the 'intervals' that make events happen at a seemingly similar rate. Unfortunately, that's beyond my mathematical abilities.

I just channeled this: Henry VIII says he's on his way.
Oh, and Charles Babbage says he's having trouble getting to your post because his machine's only got a 28.8k dialup connection.

Hmm after lurking around many forums devoted to astral projection, one thing constantly popped up: Many people who gave up attempting to project managed to project after a few days/weeks/months of not touching anything to do with astral projection. They reportedly got frustrated at the continued failure they were experiencing that they gave up and just continued with their lives. After a short time, they projected with full or partial control. Interesting I think.

Could be their subconscious/higher-self/spirit-guides trying to keep them interested in it...

Some of your questions might be answered in the FAQ board.

1. You have to 'raise your vibrational level'. I still don't quite understand how to do it, lol.

2. Not heard of it. Try asking to go there, or, if you're on the astral, convince yourself that when you open the door infront of you you will be there. That sometimes works.

3. Don't know.

4. I, personally, normally start off in the RTZ, and as the experience progresses I find I've 'slipped' a little into the astral. Towards the end of a 20 minute OBE I once had, things got a little weird and less physical-like. I've heard it's possible to stay in the RTZ longer by concentrating properly.

5. It takes me a long time to get to sleep too. 2 hours or 1 and a half if I'm lucky. If you're like me though, you'll find it very easy to get back to sleep in the morning, and that's when you should probably try AP.

6. Do you mean projecting from a lucid dream? I've heard that if you don't turn off the dream before trying to project you usually end up in the astral, rather than the RTZ.

Once again, sorry for playing the devils advocate... but YES, DO QUESTION EVERYTHING.

Couldn't agree more.


Statistical analyses can be used to prove information gathered during an OBE is real, but it doesn't explain how or why - that's where a theory or an interpretation is needed, and proving it would be virtually impossible.

The new scientist had an article a while ago (not directly about AP or SP), where they paralysed volunteers arms and told them to try to move them. The volunteers (not being able to see their arms) said they could feel them moving, when in fact they were not, kind of like the phantom limbs that amputees experience. The theory is that the sensation of movement is produced when the brain sends a signal to a muscle to contract, and that the muscle doesn't actually have to contract for the sensation to be experienced.
I think if there is to be a materialistic explanation for AP, it should be broken down into smaller pieces and each of those tackled individually. I know a lot of my experiences start blind and in sleep paralysis - it's the sensation of movement that occurs first. So the sensation of movement, at least, can be explained in a reasonably logical way.

I think the most logical non-spiritual explanation is that the brain loses it's sensory input as the body shuts down while you're conscious, and then the subconscious fills in the rest.
BUT that cannot explain spontaneous OBEs that sometimes happen while you are fully awake and active.

I think what I'm trying to say is that we make time up. We look around and see changes and wonder what causes these changes, and point to imaginary 'time' and say it must be that. The Universe probably knows nothing of 'time'.

Do you mean beauty?

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The only thing that exists is the present - a Universe that changes in a series of everlasting 'nows'.

I think so too. While ago I got drunk and I couldn't remember many things from that night, so it made me think that past doesn't acctually exists, only that exist is our memories and present events...

To an extent this is just semantics. The past isn't 'another place', it's just a preceding 'now'. But to me at least, the question of whether time exists or not is not based upon the human interpretation of time (thats just an interpretation based upon observation), but what actually is time. Or what we call time. Why does change occur at all, by what mechanism can an object change through these moment to monent nows. What actually are these 'now's. Can they be broken down to constituant parts, or will we find ever finer 'nows' etc.

Then you're asking why things try to reach a state of lowest energy. Science is good with the how's but not with the why's
You wouldn't be able to find smaller now's because the only one that does exist is now. Also, if they weren't continuous, and could be broken down into parts, time would become a dimension (as a now would have a length).

AIDS didnt exist hundreds of years ago, but that is common sense. Cancer is cell mutation, chemicals and radiation can mutate cells - neither were incorporated into everyday life prior to the industrial revolution.

Cells can naturally mutate. If they didn't the human race would be a race of clones.

I guess I was not so much asking about the pictures as the fact that the Mideast is spiraling into a crisis about it and threatening Fatwa as well a boycotting all danish goods. They are expecting the prime minister to put the cartoonist as well as the newspaper editor in jail

WTF how can they expect that? It's not like they run Denmark. If I were a muslim I'm pretty sure I'd respect the fact that the cartoonist has freedom of expression. I would not be insulted. Of course, I haven't seen the cartoon though.
What about cartoons about Jesus, or God, or atheists? I'm sure there must be cartoons about them. Why does no one kick up a fuss about that?

Concerning the language hypothesis, a scientist had made up two imaginary shapes one with jaged edges and one with smooth rounded edges. He then asked random people which shape was "kiki" and which "bolbous" (or something similar) and 99%+ named the sharped edged shape "kiki". "Kiki" sounds sharp, and it shows how us normal people who are unaware of our synaesthesia can translate visual input to a corresponding aural pattern etc.

It was kiki and booba, it says about it in the wikipedia article.
Very interesting!

Here's my view on time:
The only thing that exists is the present - a Universe that changes in a series of everlasting 'nows'. Time can be seen to be relative because the way we measure time becomes distorted at, for example, high speeds. A clock is based on some kind of mechanism with something changing within it. The 'time' we see is the rate at which this thing changes. So, at a high speed, this rate would decrease, making it seem as though time has 'slowed down'.
Let's assume the human's sense of time is chemical-based. If you were to travel at a high speed, the rate of this chemical reaction (probably in your brain) would decrease, and your sense of time would also become distorted.
It makes kind of mathematical sense too - it removes the problem of not being able to measure a change in the rate of time with respect to time.

I also think it's well within human psychological behaviour to believe that time is a dimension - that the past and the future exist - because of the way our brains have formed. You can imagine the future, and remember the past. You believe it to be real, and yet it is not 'here,' so you assume it's somewhere else.