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Welcome, Blossom!

I discovered this forum just a couple of weeks ago.. It's been the best source of information I've been able to find on the Net... You get to see so many different perspectives and stages of development. An actual dialogue, which books and articles don't provide.

What has been best of all is the validation I've been able to give myself.. There's not a hell of a lot of people I feel comfortable talking about this stuff to, so it's been really nice to have that sense of ideas bouncing around. Like yourself, I've always been a "realist" too, perhaps even a little on the cynical side (for show anyway!), and it's felt really good to be able to let go of that and allow myself to identify myself as someone who has experienced AP. How exciting it is to challenge all the things you were taught to believe!

Good luck with your journey. I think everyone experiences AP slightly differently, and who is to categorise what is what? I consider that  I have had Astral Projection experiences spontaneously, one or two consciously, and I have also entered them via dreams, where I become lucid, but I still have that sensation of my sleeping body and the end experience of "coming back in".  Reading is important, but in the end, I think everyone needs to take it at their own pace and in their own way. You can read a thousand different affirmations, but the one that works best is still the one you wrote yourself.

"...listening like the orange tree..."  - John Shaw Neilson

The way I think of it... It doesn't feel right to go on with it now that I have this awareness of the extent of what's been happening; a face to put to it. And I certainly don't want to do anything that would hurt my fella, irregardless of the "unreality" of it.

However, as Major Tom said, I'm feeling a bit wierd about whether or not my instincts will get the better of me. You could say I'm not 100% certain that I trust myself...which is funny, because I have always been such a commited-relationship person in my "real" life (A Libran!) and I've always liked to think I don't have it in me to cheat. But perhaps it's been some kind of outlet for my dodgier (Scorpio) energies. I think I knew it was happening all along though, at the core of me. I've been dreaming of betrayal a lot the last year or so..In my dreams, I'll have the memory of cheating, and the dream consists of my beating myself up over it.

But it really has been hampering my journey, to some extent. It's a distraction at the least. I remember times when I found myself in some pretty extraordinary places, but I didn't even look around  because I was too busy getting jiggy wit' it. I think even just the SELF-ABSORPTION of my encounters has limited my experience of the astral... I mean, we're talking about a girl that was so wrapped up in her own pleasure, she didn't even bother to look and see who was behind it!!  

The whole situation gives me a yucky taste in my mouth.  I remember early on that it was mostly solo expeditions, shall we euphemistically say... I have this awful image of some anonymous entity rocking up and saying to himself "Hey, I might give her a hand with that". (no pun intended. ho ho ho) I also remember times when I could vaguely sense other entities around me during the encounters... as if I'm the porn star of the Astral World.

EW!







"...listening like the orange tree..."  - John Shaw Neilson

I think it's so important to let yourself "suspend disbelief".

when I think of how much time I've wasted over the years trying to be cynical and "realistic" about my OBEs...  

Meg

Thank you for feedback, everyone.  

Interestingly, in yet another little twist of synchronicity,  I found out a few days ago that the traditional motto of my grandmother's family (goes with the coat of arms and the tartan!) is:

"Grace me, guide".

How about that?!



Meg

For me, the problem of trying really really hard is that I wind up getting frustrated and impatient with the process, which makes it even harder to do.  In my previous post, I mentioned that I finally just managed to get out consciously.. this actually happened when I just thought "Oh, might as well have a go again" without putting real pressure on myself. And it actually happened within about ten minutes. So maybe the secret is just to let it be easy, and not try so hard?

Meg

Tisha, thank you for the lovely post!

I'd chuck in your quote re: @#%# ups, but I haven't worked out how to do it. Anyway, do you know.. Those people are one of the reasons I've resisted really investigating my ability to OBE for such a long time. Part of me has always had this tendency to go "If I try this, I'll be like those doofus-heads."

I read the infamous "Artist's Way" recently, and it talks a lot about this concept...the idea we have that people who are artists are: crazy/totally ungrounded/addictive personalites/whatever. Having been pretty heavily involved with a lot of "poets" (note inverted commas) over the last few years, I can see the reason.

Anyway, a huge part of my journey recently has been to go.. "No, I can be a writer, OBEer, everything else and still be a positive, and most importantly, grounded person."

Getting over the CAN'T.



Meg

Mine have mostly been spontaneous too. For years I didn't even know what they were, but I learnt that if I did this then this then this (relax and stuff), I would probably have one of those cool dreams. So I guess that would be "preparing". I did finally consciously go out of body for the first time last night, but it wasn't very exciting... kind of like "hey, I'm going out of my body. Hey, I'm up near the ceiling" I had no sight or anything.  But I figure it will eventually get to the point where I can have as wierd and wonderful adventures as I did spontaneously.



Meg

I read the post re: not "checking" too, and it helped me a lot.  Before yesterday, astral projection was totally accidental to me.. I'd kind of just wake up "out" (though I sure as hell always felt myself going back in!) I've been trying really hard to  get control over it, and last night I just tried to keep in mind that I shouldn't focus on my body at all.

Felt all those funny sensations (energy in body, ringing noise etc) and then this wierd suctiony kind of pressure, focussed in my chest, as I exited my body. No sight. Didn't have the guts to go real far, though I figure baby steps are best anyway. Couldn't have been out for more than 30 seconds, I kept being scared that my physical body would forget to breathe. Which is ridiculous, of course, but it felt like a real danger at the time.

Anyway, I'm pretty pleased, because at least I know I can do it deliberately. And it's reassuring for me to know that I can go further if I persevere eg. see stuff, meet other beings, go to wacky places - due to having done so "accidentally" in the past.

Hi, from the three posts I've seen, it sounds as if you are a similar stage to me in this whole scary exciting journey.  Everyone keeps telling me not to be scared and that nothing can harm me, but i tell you, the fear is pretty bloody real.  Trying to read as much as I can is helping, everyones experiences are so similiar to my own. You gotta try and beat that cynical voice that tells you youre just being silly, that it's all in your head and is a meaningless dream.  I say go with it, experiment!

I get the impression that there's not a hell of a lot of rules about this stuff.

Wow, that's quite an experience! (And some very pretty writing too I might add!) In fact, I was just thinking how I'd really love to hear more like it. I mean, everyone is always asking questions and discussing this or that... but I'd love to hear more about the beautiful, amazing, and mystical experiences we have had with astral projection...more stories, you know?..

Article?? I had a look for it, but couldn't find...I'd be interested in having a look if someone could direct me to it..

Without going into TOO much graphic detail (hehe) ... I remember one time standing beneath this giant tree, and being slowly drawn up into the leaves by this group of wispy gentle beings in billowy white robes, like tree spirits or something. It was very beautiful, not sleazy at all.

But it is funny, I'm certain there are far more noble experiences to be had... but you know, you do it because you CAN.. definately a distraction though, I agree.

Some article I read somewhere on the net said that you should never fraternise with beings in the astral world, that it's like real life - in that it isn't safe to just go around bonking any old person you happen to meet... You never know what you're going to bring back with you (an astral stalker?..)

Ahh... but I don't know...

Interesting that I should find this topic...Just made a new post on Astral projection experiences re: OBEs and sex...Any comments?

Yeah, I get this one a lot!I can't really seem to communicate with them... its just a lot of chatter, disconnected shards of conversations. I used to amuse myself with it when i was a child... I remember once distinctly hearing the words "oh, it's my greek auntie". So there you go, no deep meaningful messages coming from my voices!!

Rescue remedy has worked well for me... but it might just be a placebo kinda thing...

I realate to this one...I've been having OBE's since I was 16, involuntarily. Basically most of my experiences have included this one bloody horrible "creature" who scares the bejesus out of me every time.  He comes in different forms (even once as my husband -a horrible false awakening!) and he more or less tries to rape me... no other word for it! There's only been two times when I managed to get beyond it by letting out a barbaric yorp and jumping out my bedroom window, fearless. After I did that, it was amazing... I was rolling at the bottom of the sea, flying in the clouds, lying on a stone fence in a field by the sea...  But that was a good 18 mths ago now, and I havent been able to overcome the fear again.  I've read that these are tests... what does everyone think??