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And What VesAn said.

Do you think that there's bound to be more false posts in the metaphysics forum?

It seems likely to me,just because it's mostly about the pursuit of "powers" and that kind of self important stuff .

That's just the way it looks to me.

Could you keep it as a pet?

I've heard of people w/pet squirrels before,not a pet flying squirrel though.

oh yeah...the cat-it would probably kill it.

Maybe you could just keep it until the paw looks ok.

So THAT'S what really happened

I see the static,and the lights everywhere-not really sure what is happening though.

I would think that the manipulation of such "energy" (for want of better term) would answer the quetion once and for all.I just have to remember to practice it.

If nothing changes after extensive practice,I would start to think that it might be a purely physical occurance,although I would never close the book on it once and for all.

That happened to me when I was riding my bike home from my uncles place yesterday...FLASH!

Then I remembered what Robert Bruce wrote about brow chakra "strobing"-although I forget the details of what he wrote.

Well,beavis,I guess you will just have to take my word for it...

I find it disgusting that people would actually say what I said about my grandmothers,w/out actually meaning it-lying through their teeth!:x

And that's a good post,Ybom.

I find that my conciousness feels different-more "smooth",and focused;w/out the usual mental chatter of the physical.

The reality itself can be anything from bizarre,yet real enough to know that you aren't in a dream or physical reality,to seeming to be so physical that you don't know whether you are physical or not-until you pass through a wall or window,or fly into the sky.

I can assure you that whatever I claim is my experience,true to the word.I swear on both my grandmothers graves!

Not that you all were thinking that or anything I just like to make things clear as possible.

especially now that I'm regaining some ability,I'll hopefully be posting some more truth on this forum very soon.

I've been trying to get out of my body, I've lost all fear, and tried many techniques I feel the vibrations, and all but at last just when I think I'm about to get out I fall asleep or awake.

I've heard the sound but when I come back, not when I get out. And the other day I saw myself lying in my room but I'm not sure if it was an OBE or a dream, can someone help me?

If you fall asleep right on the verge of success,you might want to practice different levels of awareness during meditation.Try to bring your awareness down to a sharp, shining pinpoint,and then gradually out to full awareness.Keep doing this while in a light or medium trance.Then when you want to send your body to sleep,summon the level of awareness that will allow your awareness to remain,while you send your body to sleep.

This is a real balancing act though,and may take practice.I believe that is the "trick" to projection,unless you are a real adept,who can project at will,but that is very rare.

When you notice that you are starting to wake up too much,try deep relaxation,and maybe some stretching beforehand if you need to.This can often help a lot.

The fact that you've lost all fear-You should give yourself some credit for that.It isn't easy to achieve.it probably took me a full decade before I was absolutely fearless!

I used to mainly have spontaneous projections from the age of 15,when I tried the techniques in Robert Monroes' "journeys out of the body".After that,I had many years of spontaneous projections,and several concious projections once in a while.Then,over the years,the concious projections waned away,and I was left w/a declining ability in concious projection.

I'm glad to say that I'm starting to learn concious projection w/some success.This was my first projection in well over a year.

I have fridays off from my math upgrading class,so I used the morning for meditation and practicing AP.I used a technique which involves deep relaxation,combined with trance meditation,and the phasing technique of letting your conciousness go just enough for your body to start to fall asleep.Then, when my body is mostly asleep,I just "sit up",and walk/float away from my body.How could I possibly forget something that simple?!

TWICE this morning,I got about 5-10 feet away from my body before I was pulled back in.

I'm thinking of using my "rope and Guide" method to pull me away next time,effectively extending my reach away from my body, and into the higher dimensions.The rope and guide is just that-a thoughtform of a rope,which I'm holding the end of;and a guide,out of reach of the pull.I then "will" the guide to pull me away from the reach of the pull.I've done this many times in the past,w/success.

I also noticed that I need to have my physical eyes uncovered,because if I have covers over them it creates an "astral blindfold" thoughtform,and unless I realize that my mind is playing a trick on itself,I can't see.

After all that,today I didn't get out of bed until 1:30 in the afternoon   .

It was time well spent though.Now I just need to work out the "bugs" so to speak,and bring it to a higher level of control.

I would like to know where the first thread was that menbtioned the stone and in what context. Then perhaps points can be given.

Anyway, this is a really funny conversation. Is the person who asked the question even still watching this thread, or has it become a battleground between the argument over the definition or figuration of the philosphers stone? (I don't think "figuration" is a word, but you guys should know what I mean if you've even half read the thread... plus if a word like "googled" can be created by a movie and used on the radio, I figure I can create a word in a post! LOL) 8P

yes,I'm still watching this thread,and no, I don't remember where I saw the term itself.

Sweetbliss's findings "Lapis Philosophorum"-The prized goal of alchemy,are very interesting.Judging by it's definition,such a thing might not even exist as an absolute.

Saw this term on another thread,and I've heard of it before,but I've never known what it meant.

I started noticing that stuff a few years ago,but I've read that it's just stuff inside the eyeball ("Floaties").

I'm not sure exactly what to believe though-I'm not just going to say it's not chi/prana, because I don't really know.Although if you are seeing the same thing I am,by looking at the air,or in the sky,and then manipulating it (fascinating idea),it sheds a whole new light on the subject.

I've never actually tried to manipulate it-I've always just said "hmm,look at that.Interesting"

I wish I could rot my giant enemies from the inside out too; that'd be really gross looking.

I would like to see that  

Below,when I dive into the dream-earth, I enter a realm that becomes very heavy,and I can't remain for long.

Wow Jason. I should try this. Thank you for sharing. Going through 10-15 dream in a row? It should have been a potent stabilizer of your projection. Was it indeed very stable after 3-5 changes?

Now that I think about it,it probably was pretty stable at that point-I flew very fast through most of them though.And by the time I got to the highest level I could reach,it strongly resembled more of an astral projection than a dream.

I remember now that I asked the "person" (or whatever  ) at the highest level, if anyone lived above here.He became very serious and said "oh yes.There are many levels above this one.

Then he gave me a big orange crystal that turned blue the lower I went.It took me to an incredibly beautiful astral temple,w/a huge version of the crystal I held in my hand.

Beavis:

What we mean by 'respecting someone elses beliefs' is not so much the content of the beliefs themselves... but that you should respect the fundamental right of an individual to hold any beliefs he likes about himself and the world around him. That is what we mean by 'respecting others beliefs'..
Doesnt mean you have to agree with the content of them.. you are free to disagree with them.. so no you dont have to respect the factual content of them as truth.. but you do have to respect that persons right to hold them and you shouldnt violate that by openly insulting them or the individual..

There is a big difference between disagreeing and debating between different beliefs and having opinions as to which is better, but quite another to openly insult people because of them.. the first point is about respect, the second is about a  lack of it.

Doug

thank you for such a lucid post,Gandalf.

Respect of somebody elses belief should be proportional to the chance you think its true.

It seems that our definitions of respect are different from eachother.Respect,to me,means that I have a duty to appreciate other belief systems even though I hold another.Respect,to you means that you just want something,such as personal status,due to your casting of judgement.

A belief system exists in the first place quite simply because it brings harmony to the thoughts of those who follow it.

How can you really respect something you think is probably not true?

My opinion is irrelevent,as it stems from the "objectivity" (there is no such thing,other than absolute physical objectivity,such as your shirt example) of my belief system,which uses a vastly different mind-set to determine truth.truth is relative-what is absolutely true for one,may be absolutely false to another,and they are both correct FOR THEM  IN THEMSELVES.

That is fake respect, and you pretend to respect to try to gain some paranormal advantage, but lying to yourself wont accomplish that.

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How can you know whether my respect is fake or genuine?

You put words in my mouth.The only "paranormal advantage" I'm trying to gain is absolute,ultimate freedom,and to help others attain it if I can .And this can help be gained by withdrawing negative emotional attachment.A minor element,but an element nontheless.myself,together with others could help the entire world to raise into a higher octave,if only we could stop such petty squabbling!

I can respect someone elses belief system even though I may hold a different one,because one is not[/] better than another.You think you are better than an insect? You are wrong if you do,and I honestly mean that in the most positive way.

Judgements must be made.

Your judgement comes from a biased source-YOUR belief system.If you really want to know whether you should judge someone else,I would challenge you to "walk a mile in their shoes".If you could suddenly,completely adopt the beleif system of those you judge,I'd bet anything that you would change your tune pretty damn fast!

.Opinions can be had,but judgement is automatically  assuming everything and everyone within the circle of judgement to be lesser,and this is not true at all.

You judge that its not worth it to respond to this, or you judge it is worth it and respond.

You've lost already with your first word.

Judgement is largely based on personal fear.Fear is a binding emotion.
Which has no place in the heart of soemone who wishes to reclaim their freedom and personal power (placed in service of course).

And as to whether I've "lost or won", I don't care a bit.There is no such thing as success or failure.It's all in the mind of conflicting beleif systems, merely getting tossed back and forth.

You respond w/such a negative post in the first place because you project a negative onto another.

Of course you are certainly entitled to your belief system,an your opnion with it,because it brings you harmony,but please keep your judgements to yourself-They really are useless.

TK was in wide use in ancient battles by prehistoric advanced civilizations in India...

Source?

a fine question-I was afraid to ask

Judging by your experience of catching yourself in the borderline state,and the falling sensations,as well as how you learned to ignore itches,I would say that you WILL achieve it-it just takes time,and practice.Just remember that you may have to keep practicing for the skill to stay in shape (that's what I've found anyways-I'm "out of shape" at the moment myself).

 You're a motorcyclist? I want to get my licence soon-I would love to get one of those BMW gs650's eventually ,although I'll probably start out on a 250cc dual purpose or something.

That is interesting. Did you get tired moving through so many realities?

Sort of.Eventually I got to a point where I couldn't go any higher at all.I tried to pass through the ceiling of a building,but I couldn't.I talked to someone in the building,he seemed quite surprised when I told him that I come from far below.He pointed at the light barrier,which was a pond made of light, surrounded by trees and plants.He said something like "you mean,people live down there?"  

BTW-I read your shoecrutch experience.Franks response was quite enlightening.

TK was in wide use in ancient battles by prehistoric advanced civilizations in India

Today, TK is practised by very few people.

And, occasionally, Aliens from Z.Reticulii star system ( better known as the 'greys') use TK to lift abductees

That's fascinating.It seems that more research is needed into TK if we are to reclaim it as a "lost" ability.

I've explored this subject several times during lucidity.I find that I need a higher level of lucidity than a "normal" LD,in order to be able to find the dreamscape boundaries.

I've found that Dreamscape boundaries exist above,and below.Below,when I dive into the dream-earth,I enter a realm that becomes very heavy,and I can't remain for long.

If I fly high enough into the dream-sky,I eventually pass through a barrier of light,and end up either in another dream,or an astral locale (not sure).

I also find that I need a high level of energy to do this.If I try to do this when my energy level is lower,the dreamsky becomes much to high,almost infinite looking to pass through.

On one occasion,I passed through at least 10-15 dreamscapes,fly up through the floor or earth of another dream,and up into the dream-sky,and through the barriers of light.I've also found that the reaLms become more "real" with each upward realm.They start to resemble astral realms more and more,while becoming less "dreamlike",and the barriers of light become brighter the higher you go.

I generally don't talk about OBE to others at allunless I know exactly who I'm dealing with.And even when I do talk to someone about it,I don't just hand out any information.

It's important to respect the belief systems of others,even if they totally conflict w/yours or mine,because most people just aren't ready for such knowledge,and will often react negatively,or say "you actually beleive that?"

 

This goes especially for those who follow what I call "belief systems of dispair",who basically believe that conciousness is a product of a meat-computer,that the universe is w/out a plan or order, and we just fade into complete oblivion after death.

You're asking for a HUGE headache if you talk about OBE to these kinds of people-and you are asking for an even bigger headache if you talk about it to religious fundamentalists of any culture,who see OBE as evil.

I spoke on another forum on the subject,and I got responses that said something to the effect of "deviants,psychotics,murderers,and rapists would probably make the OBE claim".

It's HURTS,and saddens me to hear the ignorance and stupidity in such bulls**t

[An athiest vainly trying to pick apart religious belief systems w/long-winded scientific terminology,in a futile effort to debunk their beliefs,is just as destructive as a fundamentalist that threatens others who don't follow their particular belief system.Likewise a spiritual,but not religious persons act of judging any belief system,whether they are fundamentalists,or athiests,is just as negative,and not the act that someone who is truly searching for ultimate freedom and knowledge should choose]

I thought I'd post some thoughts on what I've learned from this topic-

We all must respect all belief systems,whether they are philosophys of fundamentalism,or philosophys of dispair (the "oblivion after death",or "worm food" belief system).

It isn't peoples belief system themselves that can wreak havoc on others lives,it's the actions that people take,based on the particular belief system that can be destructive.

An athiest vainly trying to pick apart religious belief systems w/long-winded scientific terminology,in a futile effort to debunk their beliefs,is just as destructive as a fundamentalist that threatens others who don't follow their particular belief system.Likewise a spiritual,but not religious persons act of judging any belief system,whether they are fundamentalists,or athiests,is just as negative,and not the act that someone who is truly searching for ultimate freedom and knowledge should choose.

I'm glad to say that my inner judge has learned an even deeper level of silent respect!