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quote:Originally posted by distant bell

Any ideas about what dejavu really is, just a trick of the mind or a real glimpse into the futre and then back again?

As i have already expained in an old thread on the subject, i have been in close contact with university members in my city studying this phenomen, with brain wave analyser etc on patients who were experiencing a lot of them. What has come from this study is that the déjà-vu is the result of a momentary dysfonctionment of the brain, which put a very recent memory in the "old memory" part of the brain, giving to the person experiening it the feeling that the scene feels like having already been lived, but without more details, just that faint feeling. This is for the strict sense of déjà-vu. But if the scene is seen before it happens, then it's no more déjà-vu but precognition.

Just for the record, i tried it again today (i saw my gf this morning). I think i have gained some ability in this, for this time i almost didn't feel the orgasm etc, it happened but all my attention was draw to my spinal energetic pathway, and i felt a huge rush of energy coming up to the higher chakras, and as last time i didn't feel drained after, even the opposite. I think i'm going to do it every time now

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

what?  females don't lose energy after masturbating?  i beg to differ.

Nope, i was talking about ejaculation in fact I indeed guess that everyone, male or female, do so.

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

notice that you won't see a female start a thread about this.

For obvious physical reasons...

Any way, I was with my girlfriend today, and tried what was explained hereabove. At the moment of ejaculation, when feeling the semen flowing into the groin, i used all my energetic and mental ressources, all my willpower to push the energy back inside me, and i must say that it was DAMN hard !! But i managed to do it, and the instant of ejaculation gave me one of the biggest orgasm i had for many weeks, even months. Just before that, i pushed the energy upward in my spine, up to my heart chakra. I didn't manage to get a very hard stimulation of it, by i felt something in it just afterwards, and my spinal energetic pathway was activated, i could feel it. I'll try it again for sure ! And moreover, i didn't feel drained ! I was totally energized !! So i think i did it right.

quote:Originally posted by astral-boy

Thanks kalonek

No problem I thought about it later, and in fact i think the best technic would be that your father do some waves of energy in his back for 15 minutes a day until it hurts less. It's very effective, i've done it myself. But if you prefere to let your father in the vague about what you're doing well Bruce's healing technic is the best you can do.

Any news from Targa ?? I'm still watching this post closely and look forward for his experiences with kundalini !

quote:Originally posted by boydster

I agree with Kalonek; I don't think you will help yourself very much by focusing on your lower chakras. It would be better to train your body and energy system so that more of this vital energy raises up the spine into the higher chakras where it will benefit other portions of your life, such as intellectual pursuits or higher emotions.

Thank you boydster [] And in fact i think that focusing on the lower chakras will even do the opposite effect : it will make the desire grow bigger and bigger, which is definitely not what is wanted ! So cesm23, concentrate on the higher chakras and especially the heart.

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There are astral entities which feed on the substantial energy released from masturbation. So they hang around young people and psychically manipulate them into sexual fantasies which they then convince their victim they need to fulfill, preferrably via masturbation. A good deal of this energy is actually exchanged during real sex and so it's not just lost to the dogs like it is during masturbation. But several ejaculations per day via either sex or masturbation is a lot of energy to lose.

I totally agree with this. It's even simple to see : just force yourself to stop masturbating for a week, you'll see that it'll become harder and harder the first days to resist, as if someone was forcing you to do it, even if you don't want to. You must have a very strong willpower. But after a few days, you'll suddenly feel that the desire has disappeared, as if this "someone" was gone. Just give it a try, you'll see by yourself. And after that you'll feel really good, liberated. You can then concentrate on higher purposes.

I think that the only thing to do here is healing, take a look at R. Bruce's technic in the "articles" section of the site. Or your dad could do some energy bouncing in his back, it would help too.

Interesting ! From my own experience, i feel drained if the ejaculation is on my own, and it takes time to balance my energy again and to feel "normal", so eventhough it might be good on the moment i feel bad physically (energetically ?) aftewards. But if i'm with my girlfriend, then it's totally different, and it feels good even afterwards, i feel energized also exhausted physically. That's why i agree with you boydster in what you say. We should deeply respect all this, and either do it in the way it was physically designed for (sex) or by trying to grow with the process by redirecting the energy to the higher chakras (like in tantra btw isn't it ?) I've tried it but i can't so i just don't do it now

I won't answer on the breathing question as i agree with what Cruel Tendencies says.

But about the sexual problems, i have found that most of them doesn't come from the sexual chakra in itself, which is pretty cleared from blockages (due to our intensive use of its faculties) but from the heart chakra, which is also a "sexual" chakra. So if you want to "cure" some of your sexual problems, concentrate on the heart chakra, as it is the link between the physical and the mental/metaphysical things (lower and higher chakras). I had recently some problems with my girlfriend regarding this, i wasn't excited sexually anymore by here. I thought it might be the difficulty to join everything, my physical and social life and my quest for spirituality. I therefore worked on it in 2 sessions and the next day everything was definitely improved ! So give it a try and i'm sure it will help you a lot, as it did for me.
A good exercicse that was given to me by boydster on this forum is at night, when you wake up with this enormous desire (not to say a diplodocus' erection ), don't even think about moving, stay very calm and focus your attention on your sexual region. You will feel some kind of clearly fluid substance there, it's a pool of sexual energy concentrated there. Force it to come up through your spine to your heart center, and you'll feel your desire getting down very quickly, as well as it's physical manifestations (about 8-10 sec max), and stay focused on your heart center after that until you fall asleep again or wake up. It's VERY effective to develop it.

quote:Originally posted by boydster


From my experience, it's best to work gently over a long period of time with the primary circuit instead of trying for rapid progress.

Rapid progress mostly leads to "OUCH!!!"

I've been there....

That's totally right from my experience too ! If you hadn't done too much secondary centers training, concentrate on this for the next months.

Yes, that's probably it I wish you'll have great results with NEW !

Well as far as i know, this place is the natural place of the tongue in the mouth ... It takes an effort for "normal" people to put their tongue elswhere than on the roof (when the mouth is totally closed of course, teeth touching teeth). In fact it's even considered as a medical problem if it doesn't (when the mouth is really closed, again). But when the mouth is only half closed, i too don't touch my palate. And it's ok like this Moreover, we got some big secondary centers here so it's easier to feel them and focus on them while the tongue doesn't touch it.

quote:Originally posted by G3MM4

Blast! So what is the difference between your astral body and etheric body?

It's simple : the etheric body is "rougher" than the astral body. The etheric is necessary for you to live your everyday life, it's very very close to the physical. The chakras are its organs. The astral body, from what i have experienced, is created during an OBE attempt (causing the heart chakra to throb very hard), and is linked to the etheric by the silver cord. It is far more subtle and changeable, and can move away from the physical body, which the etheric canno't (unless you're dead). That's the difference.

The thing is that the astral body is easily modified by the mental acitivity, i mean that you can become a dog or a insect or whatever you want by thinking you're it. So it doesn't have a clear shape, that's why it is a "normal" body. But the etheric body is far less changeable, so i don't know how it has reacted to this. Anyway i sincerely hope it won't prevent you from doing great progress in NEW and energy work in general !

Ok. I'm looking forward for your discoveries ! However i have totally no idea how the etheric body reacts to an amputation, as it is very closely related to the physical body. Let us know, i'll bring a lot of questions and theories ! Thanks !

What the HECK !!! [:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O] Freakin' IMPRESSIVE and totally FLABBERGASTING !!

LOL what a suprise ! I had exactely the same idea last 2 night ago ! I gave it a shot and indeed felt my physical brain inside my head, like any other organ in fact, but more precisely (due to the head limits). I didn't have any noticeable results however, but it's normal as i didn't do it very long, thinking that messing up with my brain wasn't finaly a good idea If you have good results, let us know )

Wow ... Big problem indeed ! Well depending on where your leg was amputated, i suggest that you start by doing the boucing action in the leg and stimulate the nearest joint. Don't care too much about the toe thing, moreover that you aren't concerned by it here. I'm curious however if when doing energy training for a few minutes in total relaxation, you can feel your energy "foot" ? I must admit i have absolutely no idea how your energy body has reorganized in this aera ... Maybe your chakras are now on the end of your leg (?). You should try to stimulate it the same way as the other foot to see what happend, if you fell somme chakras. If you do, then that's it, your chakras have transfered themselves to this aera. Let us no if you wish, it would be very appreciated, thanks !

Not at all, and on the contrary you injury can "help" the energy to be felt more clearly, as it might start to rush in this aera to "repare" your physical body. A few years ago, i get my skateboard in my left tibia after a jump and it broke a part of the bone, making a small part of it to explode inside my leg. I didn't get to the doctor, and it took a very long time to heal. Well in fact when i started energy work, about 3 years later, it was still hurting me when i touched it. A few weeks after having done my first NEW session, i realized that the pain had totally disapeared, and that the bone was exactly like the onther one on the right leg !! Eventhough it felt different before (there was a bone bump) ! So i think doing energy raising has cured my injury, and indeed i remember feeling more energy sensations in my left leg on this aera the first few weeks.

On the contrary, i think that what you are experiencing, evnethough a bit annoying today, is VERY good on the long term. You have definitely passed a stage, and i even suppose that you had some natural and gentle kundalini experience here. As you said, i would suggest you to take some rest and concentrate on basic and physical things for a few months, the time for everything to calm down. And if it goes too bad, eat a lot, i always do this when things get out of my control regarding energy and it works pretty well.

Blakera => Thanx for the technic, i'll give it a shot as soon as i can

quote:Originally posted by cesm23


To KALONEK :
You seem to be a bit expert on this, about advices regarding NEW, i absolutly need some advises about the practise times on NEW

Lol thx, but i'm far from an expert, i just have some practice behind me and i try to help the beginners to avoid my pitfalls when i started. I'll try to answer your questions as best as i can. Here we go !

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1. That is exactly what, just all the legs and arms work or there is anything else missing ? Like the nose work and month work are also included on this ? Or even the spinal bounce ?

By all the secundary system i mean even the full body circuit. It doesn't require the total stimulation of the primary centres (though providing some gentle and useful stimulation to them), but develops very well all the secundary ones. So i think a good training should be about at least 1/2h per day of energy raising in the legs (easy to do whenever you sit, wait in the bus etc) and about 1/4h at least of full body circuit before sleep.
I found that i had some problems calculating how much i was doing every day, if i was doing more or less than the day before etc, so now i just decided to do 1500 energy raising actions in my legs to my sub navel each day, so i can count easily. It's a good technic to count because it helps concentrating too.

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2. The RECOMMENDED daily working time on this is also 2 thirty minutes session ? (even tough i take 1,5 hour in finishin leg work or arm work) I know you might say that the more the better, but i mean for those that want to develop psychic abilities (without waiting several years) which is the recommended working time on this daily, to not be so long to develop psychic abilities ? A single session of leg work and arm work (or also nose and month work and spinal bounce) is enough ?

Well, i answered above But just one thing : the psychic abilities are just a side effect of the energy training. There canno't be taken as a goal if you want to go safe, as well as there aren't any shortcuts. So to be the more efficient, just take it easy, do your energy training each day, without thinking about the results, and you'll see them come faster than you expected. But anyway with this daily training you should start to see things differently (developping your psychic abilities) in a couple of months (less than a year, maybe 5 or 6, i don't remember precisely, and it depends greatly on your motivation).

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3. How do i know when i should start progress more on NEW and start doing the two parts body circuit ? I mean, how do i know when my secondary system is enough stabilized and developed to start doing the body circuit or energy raising to sub-navel ? When i don't feel any energy blockages in arms and legs ?!

You know you must go a step further when you start becoming bored by the sameness of you training It might sound weird, but in fact at the beginning when dealing with the secundary centres, you might experience many different things in each sessions, making each different from the other. It means that your body is clearing etc. When it starts to become all pretty similar, it means that you're becoming ok with this part, it has stabilized, and you can go on with the next stage. Btw even if you don't think your energetic body is enough developped, continue raising energy to your sub navel, it'll pay in a short future.

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There is some weeks that i am working directly on the third eye chakra, but nothing dangerous happens. Altough i do feel it stimulated with lots of tingling and pressure and sometimes a very little headache but never dizziness and absolutly no psychological side-effects. Altough i never had any psychic abilities and not even intuintion (at least at a noticeable level) and much less any kind of obe or sleep paralysis, but i do have very vivid dreams, almost daily dream recall, hypnagogic imagery before sleeping in some days, but lucid dreams is very very rare, but i do have them about 1 time each 2 months more or less. How is this possible ?! According to my 6th sense being so underdeveloped, my third eye chakra should be with a major energy blockage, or almost fully blocked, but according to my physical conditions (very healthy), the quality and recall of my dreams and not feeling any bad side effects when working directly on the third eye chakra it seems to be working well without blockages ! This is really weird, even i never having any psychic abilities i can stimulate it a lot, and the only thing i ever felt is tingling or pressure. Also the same about other chakras, i stimulate them, but it's exactly the same than with the third eye, i never felt any bad side-effects not even in long term, and no dizzyness.

Well 2 options here :
- your chakra is very blocked and the gentle sensations with almost no consequences are the results of this (but it's doubtful)
- your chakra is ok, but not one of your major ones, just like any other, and i'll take some more time to develop it. But this is better. My third eye is my strongest chakra, followed by the throat and the crown (both almost equally developped). This is why i had a major rush of energy and pain when i first activated it, because there where very big blockages in it although it was designed to be my strongest one. But despite this, i don't see myself as having extra abilities, i got a good intuition, very good sometimes, i can see a part of the people aura (but only after a specific training), i can do some tk without big difficulties on small things, but that's it. I ain't clairvoyant, nor anything like this at this stage. So i guess it takes a lot more time to develop all this. Just be patient, and it'll come naturally Continue your stimulations, on ALL chakras (important !) so htat you get more and more balanced, and everything will go finer for you with the time. Drastical side-effects are therefore more likely to happen on a blocked and suddenly unblocked chakra, or by the quick development of a "part" of the chakra, ie. one of it's "petal", or particular ability.

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Maybe this is doe to me having a very good health and being very resistant to diseases (altough i am fat, because i am a 24 years old male, and i weight 115 quilograms, but i am 1,80 meters tall), but psychologically i have a lot of problems (including being anti-social, shy, lot of sex problems, which seems to relate to the solar plexus chakra and sub-navel chakra respectively), but nothing changed when i worked on primary centers, even if i felt them pulsate normally and with tingling. Altough in my arms and legs and spine i seem to have a lot of energy blockages when i do arm and leg work and spinal bounce.

Just one thing : continue ! Whatever happens, DON'T stop your energy training !! The work on primary centres must be done during a few months before the big problems suddenly start to disapear one by one ! So continue ! Don't give up ! And some other blockages can still be present in your chakras, and they will suddenly be broken during a session, so every session is good for you. For what you said : if you're shy, work on the throat chakra, for your sexual problems, i don't know them but i've found that most of them don't come only from the 2nd chakra, but also from the heart chakra. This one is responsible for making the link between the physical aspect and the mental aspect, so it's particularly important to work on it. I had not, and i too come out to have some sexual problems during the last few months, not very important, but for example i wasn't feeling any physical excitation when i was with my girlfriend, so it was starting to make problems in our couple. My heart chakra was totally blocked btw, i only felt it when attempting OBEs. I did some big work on it during af full week, and only on him, and the week after everything was ok again, i felt like the 2 aspects of me were fusionned again. So it might help you. Another thing, when you say you're fat, well just know that doing some serious energy training each day will bring you to need less and less food for you will take more energy of smaller parts. I was a good eater (hehe french ) since a few months ago, but now i'm happier when i only eat a very little, a salad or so, and i feel as fine, and even better, as before, more energized (and i do a lot of sport, i'm not skinky at all).

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Also i am been doing sub-navel filling (mostly from the legs) even with energy blockages on legs, this isn't dangerous i hope ? But this is weird, i feel that the sub-navel center is my lower guts? That doesn't make much sense, specially because in yoga books they said that it was the solar plexus the center of our energy storage. That's strange, when filling the sub-navel center how much deep i should focus ? In the middle of body a little under the navel ?

Nope, not dangerous at all, even the contrary, continue ! And yes it's in your lower gutts as you say, not in the solar plexus, but near. It's between ne 2nd chakra and the solar plexus for me. So just concentrate on your navel and it'll be ok. With practice, you'll feel better where it is, but just the rough feeling of it is ok. So don't care too much about this, just draw energy from your feet to your navel and it'll be fine.

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Oh just more this question and this one is important : does twitching means energy pathways/energy blockages being cleared ? It's because this only happens when doing energy work and a lot of times in different places (altough sometimes also happens after doing some physical work) and it would be very motivating if i were sure that those twitchings meant that the energy pathway in the place i feel the twitch was cleared. Is that how we feel when a energy blockage is cleant ? They are a bit painfull if it's in the back of my lower logs tough.

This sensation doesn't mean that the aera is cleared, but that it is progressively being cleared of blackages and developping. So continue to stimulate these aeras. When a zone is totally cleared and well developped, you feel almost nothing, except the presence of energy like a fluid in it. The pain is a sign of energy growth, so it's good

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By the way does it exist a NEW teatrise ?! Where ?! (sorry if i have not interpreted well what you said)

The NEW Energy Ways guide is on this site, in the guides section

I hope i have answered your questions.
See you

Kalonek

quote:Originally posted by blakera

Thank you Kalonek.  I will take your advice and you did answer my questions.  I have one more question for now:  Where can I read more about NEW?  I've read Astral Dynamics and the stuff on this site, but is there anywhere besides that that I can get information?

You're welcome And no there isn't any other information apart from AD and this site. I wish Bruce will publish a complete NEW book soon ! But in fact as you might have read, the main topics related to energy are told, so that you can figure out what might be missing in the NEW treatise.

quote: I feel lucky in that I feel like I've been seeing results for quite some time now.  The first time I did an energy raising session, my sex-drive increased to the point of being a problem.  I wonder if my blockages are clearer than the average beginner's, because I've been getting into the vib. state and feeling HUGE quantities of energy during it since a long time before I started doing NEW.  For a while when I was feeling the energy I didn't know what it was, I'd just be drifting in and out of sleep, and I'd be awakened by it.  I could then move the energy around, and if I moved it to a hand, for example, and let it fill my hand, I would become honestly afraid of blowing my hand off.  One reason I'm mentioning this is because some people in another post at this forum were saying that spontaneous combustion was something to watch out for.  If it was a possibility I really think that it would have already happened to me.  When I was first feeling this energy, I also searched on the web about spontaneous human combustion... if I remember right... try searching on yahoo if your interested for an article called something like "not so spontaneous human combustion", for me the article proved that there is no possibility of this and that it is not a real phenomena... in fact, to me, it made the idea of spontaneous combustion seem rediculous.  

To answer your questions, yes in fact if you've been moving energy for awhile and also doing OBE, it is likely that your energy body is already fine, so then indeed you can start working on your primary centres and raising energy all day.
For the sex thing, it's very common. In that case, stop raising energy and concentrate on your hands. Then when it's gone, drain energy more precisely to your navel, avoiding the groin. Pass it directly from your legs to your stomach.
Also, it's not true that energy can produce human combustion, as it has no physical existence. It's interaction with us is complexe, and only done by our organs. And i don't figure out how a human organ could burn if too stimulated No, human combustions are real, there's no doubt (police reports etc), but what is commonly accepted is that it's a very scarce chemical reaction of the fat in the body that can burn suddenly. Experiences by scientists has proved it possible in fact.

Kalonek

Hi Blake ! Welcome on the forum !

quote:Originally posted by blakera

OK, first things first, I want to be sure I'm practising NEW right.  I did NO energy raising but just cleared pathways (ie brushing/sponging up and down toes... legs, etc) for almost 3 weeks or so before moving on to the two part full body circuit.  Did I wait long enough before moving on to energy raising?  I've now been doing the energy raising for 3 weeks.

Firstly, you did well by first clearing the energy pathways, and you it should be your primary focus for the next weeks/months, with the development of your secundary system. Secondly, rasing energy since only a few weeks ago, after having removed the biggesy blockages, was a good idea too But anyway it'll take some time before you raise more energy than the enegy spent in the raising action, so just continue like this and in a few weeks you'll be all right.

quote:Originally posted by blakera

I'm doing the recommended program from this site which involves 2 thirty minute sessions a day, does that sound like a good thing for me to do at this point?  Does the thirty minute time period include prestimulation?  (I'm currently using every exercise there is that could be used for prestimulation/clearing before going on to the two part circuit does this sound OK?)

The 2 30 minutes sessions is a good idea, you will do quick progress with this. However you can do more if you want too. During the last year i've done it for like 2-3h a day, every time i was sitting. There's no limit. And yes the 30 minutes include prestimulation, as it is an important part of the thing.

quote:Originally posted by blakera

OK, my next question is whether or not I'm supposed to directly stimulate my primary chakras.  In Astral Dynamics Bruce mentions it but on the training instructions on this sight he doesn't seem to mention it and says that filling the sub-brow or heart storage centers directly is not recomended.  When should I start with this primary work if I am in fact supposed to so it at all.

I would suggest that you wait another month or two, maybe more (you'll see by yourself) before starting some big job on the primary centres. The effects are far more dramatic than the secondary centres, so if i were you i'll wait so that all my pathways are cleared as well as my major blockages, and that my secondary circuit is well developped. I have done the "error" to stimulate them too soon, and i think i would have progressed more quickly and avoided some troubles by waiting. And also the work on the secondary circuit stimulates gently the primary circuit, so it's good too to break the first blockages on them.

I hope i have answered your questions
See you

Kalonek

Lol has anyone read my answer ?? Draw energy from your heart chakra to the skin of your head and it'll work. It did it for me with my beard.