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Why dont someone ask a Q in the astral realms about something the person doesnt know such as an answer to a complicated maths sum? The answer would be easy to remember if the answer is a straight 2 digits, then you could ask someone else in the physical who is good at math to verify the answer.

Anyone done this already?

The same way you do it with the eyes closed, when you're phasing.  Here's a link: http://tumblr.austinkleon.com/post/70095056/the-ganzfield-procedure-and-other-ways-to-induce

K I saw the link how can you project from that once your viewing hallucinations?! and why do you need the radio to be playing static.

Tell me more of this method of doing it with your eyes open please. All of the techniques i've read about to induce an OBE have all been with eyes closed. Can anyone give me brief directions on how to have an OBE whilst having eyes open please. Is it like following on from the point where if you gaze at something for a long time without blinking, you begin to see things swirl such as light and viewing clarity....its sort of a trance. Is it from this point you go for an OBE? pls tell me how it works with eyes open thx.

Yeh I mean if these psychic spies or whatever or agents that work for the government through the astral can really influence physical things then I think many political targets would had died long ago by "mysterious circumstances" but the fact is they havent. So they cant do it or it would had been done already 1000 times over.

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i talk from experience of having thousands of obes, experimentations, documentation, statistics. its like anything in physical life - if you approach playing the guitar w/o no specific goal or itent you won't be a good player... or being a painter - why paint if there is no goal?

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So out of your thousands of OBE's....how many validations you get?

Nvm then T.L. guess you cant do it.

Gonna try still T.L.?

Any progress T.L. ?

the one time that I did project, I thought to myself, wow everything is so clear. I then looked into the mirror and my face was really distorted, chewing gum, and I had an afro.

LMAO!!! lol sorry

K dude i've sent some details and I forgot to mention i'm in UK too by the way. Good luck.

Hello? TL? still up for this challenge? seems you said Yes last time so please give me a time when you may be able to go astral. TY.

My friend has been under demonic attack for years now. They nearly killed him once. They drag him out of body quite often to torture him in hell. Most people who have helped him have been viciously attacked. One healer that helped him was attacked in the physical. He had a 2 inch deep gash on his back from one of the demons and he was put in medical care. If anyone can help him please do so He is under extreme pain and his chakras are blocked. He cant defend himself when out of body because he cant get enough energy from his chakra. No body seems to be able to help him much. If anyone can even just unblock his chakras then I would be of gratitude. His msn is nayami_bee@hotmail.com If you can help him please contact him. He has tried everything to stop these attacks and the only thing that seems to work is healing. Please he could die if you do not help him! Thank you for your help.

Sounds like your friends suffering from some form of mental illness. I'd recommend professional psychological help.

Is there a best mantra to use whilst one is lying there waiting for an OBE and relaxing? does anyone have one in mind they always use? some recommendations pls.

It doesn't seem like you read many of my posts man. Everything I validated was mostly in the confines of my home, and close by. As I've explained in my of my other posts I'm still trying to figure out how to reliably go from one place to another (teleport or whatever you would like to call it). Not to mention going to a place I have no emotional connection with is certainly a problem in and of itself, which is why I have had so many problems trying to get to the white house.. Although I have had a small success with this, but the process seems to break the trance/experience. I'm not saying no. I'd be willing to try as long as you have the patience because there is no promise that I will succeed in getting out one day or the next. I can go periods of two weeks with out any experience, so it would probably be a longterm thing. Then when I do get out I'd still have to figure out how to go from here to there, it's something I haven't found a reliable solution to. If you have patience I'd certainly be willing to try.

Hmmm ok T.L. but I actually thought if someone had a place in mind in the Etheral, they could just go there in a second even if they dont know the location or have nothing to do with the place. I have just heard that alot but I guess it may not be true. Would it help at all if I gave the city and town? and yes i'd be patient.

I've read alot of experiences and alot of people who have AP'd have reported bieng able to touch or move physical objects whilst out but of course in reality the object is not in anyway effected for example; if you moved a chair in your bedroom after you just AP'ed out of your physical, and you come back later into your body to find the chair did not budge despite you knowing you moved it in the Etheral, is this not proof that the fact you can feel and touch some (maybe not all) objects when outside your physical and them not really be effected, that its all a mind manifestation?

Your thoughts on this pls.

I got advice that when you are in beta brainwaves (normal waking consciousness) and you breath deeply while looking up you can enter alpha brainwave patterns. So the position of the eyes can induce the next level down it seems. So if you manage to mentally enter alpha yourself, using this can induce theta. If you enter theta yourself this can induce delta. However keep your normal breathing pattern. If you breath too deeply if you are able to enter deep theta, or delta your body will take the breathing deep (unnaturally deep) as a signal to wake the body up (which is how some people break sleep paralysis). Good luck and let me know what happens =-)

Tell me more about this technique please about entering alpha with breathing deeply whilst looking up. Post a new thread if need be pls.

I also wanted to ask you T.L. if you'd reply to my posts in the other post about it all bieng in the mind. ty.

So are you T.L.?

You up for that challenge T.L. the next time you project or? I ask you because you seem confident with validations.

It shouldnt take long in your next OBE just to shoot over here quickly and hang around to see something to validate then whizz back again.

What? no I was asking T.L.

Ok T.L you seem pretty confident in your ability to verify real items. Is it possible for you to verify something I lay out on top of my desk? we could arrange proper rules if your willing.

Would you be able to do this? could you simply will yourself to my house where ever you are, whether that be Australia or down the end of my road? (which is unlikey) pls give me a simple yes or no.

I'd be very interested if you could do this and please dont give me a reply such as "we dont have to prove it to you blah blah blah" just do it already!!!!! (lol) ty.

What 2 events were those pls.

etherically

Anyone else gone back in time etherally (or forward) lately?! Pls only reply if you have.

I'll suggest you may want to buy some books on AP, they might help you by giving it to you in a structured form.

There's a lot more too it than that... but that's a good start. How long it takes after laying down varies person to person  And you don't have to be laying down, you can do it in a chair too!  If you're just starting out it will probably take around 30 minutes, and may take several days or weeks to start feeling something new.

And yes you have to be 99% still. My body or subconscious likes to trick me into thinking I have an itch to test if I'm awake, I swear.

K so you lie there still and try and visualize your astral body getting out yes?

Shrooms to stalk to gods and demons? all you'd be doing is hallucinating them.