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#126
Welcome to Metaphysics! / philosophers stone
February 24, 2004, 08:13:49
Alchemy is a spiritualism in a labratory enviroment where you should be able to verify your progress trough the results. Since after a while you will begin to defy normal prosesses in chemistry wich was built upon the material aspect of alchemy.

The philosophers stone and the elexir of life is the result of the  magus opus  (Great work) in alchemy . From the sources i read it seems when the great work is completed the ingredients will separate into a solid state(the stone) and a liquid component (the elixir).

While theres probably some experiments containing mercury in alchemy , its not an art in ingesting poisenous material . It is about getting to the spiritual states inherent in matter and separete it ,refine it , and either build on the previus results in a bigger experiment or get it in a form that is nonpoisenous.

Just like magic it is rich on symbols the diffrence is where mages cast spells based on their understanding of the spiritual and symbols
,alchemist perform a experiment. Mercury is also a symbol in alchemy wich can mean the fluidness of spirit.So its not given that the magus opus needs actual Mercury (Hg!).

But off course i havent read any books of how to perform such a work so i wouldnt know what is required . Only that the spiritual understanding gotta be far greater than physical nessecitys. Its a popular alchemy saying that "You cannot make gold without having gold" , i guess the latter is a refrence to whats inside you.
#127
Seems to me that you lead a balanced life Findtruth , how often do you realy come into extreme situations that warrants intence feelings?

As to why you find it hard to feel emotions I off course cannot say . But ask yourself what would it take for you to realy feel something . Then do it. If you cant feel the emotion after successfully completing the task. Perhaps its something wrong.

As for anger , how often do people around you ,make wrong on you?
Not feeling Anger when getting wronged will generally conjure up another emotion like frustration and beeing victim of some sort.
Another reason for not feeling Anger when beeing wronged is that you know exactly how to deal with it or get even.

Anger as i know it is a emotion that arises when your being wronged of some sort and do not Know exactly how to deal with the situation , and you either is gonna damn sure they know you didnt like it so it doesnt arise again OR you intend to find out how to get "even++"
#128
LOL Antigravity , could be much rocket fuel igniting .

Anyway there may be something that doesnt have a opposite(well unless absolute nothingness is valid) , its probably some underlying force that reality is based on , wich without no reality would be.

In  christian Religion God has no opposite , since he cannot be unmade AND made all (including the devil for those who also might belive in him). In hindu/budism  there is the wheel of life (and all other religion where there is after life) BEING have no opposite. Even Nirvane there is somebeing. Since it was achived and if you are not being you have achived nothing(well my oppinion).Since the opposite has in some way to reflect the other opposite(but it is still my oppinion).  

So while its true that in binery 0 is opposite to 1 its not cause its 0 but the only other state there is ,one might call it  more acurate true and false. Infact in electrical circuits there is the NOT CONNECTED state wich is often used (physical switching) this reflects true 0 better than the 0 state, and its not equvelent of 1 or 0 and is popular known as the 3rd state(guess 0 was taken by another state[:P]).If Not connected WAS opposite to 1 or 0 its given implesitt(sorry if misspelled) that its the SAME as the one its not opposite off .Hence one should be able to remove 1 or 0 without loosing any performance or abilitys in the circuit(wich one cannot).  

So i guess im advocating the though that 0 isnt valid as somethings opposite.And therefore it should be something without opposition.
#129
I would say controlling emotions is hard , the only way i found escaping unwanted emotions without taking anything or supressing it, is to go to sleep.

However you can control in greater degree what triggers emotions , like if you go and look downward with clenched shoulders and thinking what a rotten life(and ignoring the good aspects) , its a sure way to get depressed . If you however are feeling depressed/foul mood and remember what you act and think like when you have good days(and ignoring the things that made you feel bad).  
then you will tilt to a more positive stance within the hour. (assuming no more bad mood sources influence you further).

Also one can use suggestions to escape locked patterns of thoughts and feelings (whatever they may be) , a visual one i use is imagine a sun/stove (something that consumes/destroy) and send/(get sucked out of) the things you want to get rid off into it.  
Verbal suggestions also work good ,just pick what you think is best for you.
Suggestions take some time to work and generally you gotta use atleast as much time on it as you use on the thoughtpattern, feeling you want to get rid (so to get rid off phobias and realy worked in recurring thoughts is gonna be much work,with this method alone).
Also it works best when relativly calm and relaxed.

And you dont have to perform actions based on how you feel , but generally i do unless its a spesial circumstance ,since if you take action chances are good you work them out of the system then and there. But off course if you have some emotions you found you make poor judgement with...Train to not take action right away then you can train make better judgment when feeling it.  

So , to sum up . Dont supress your emotions. If you burn your hand you never imagine it didnt happen(unless its something exotic your training for).Remove yourself from the cause or eliminate it (skip this if its a person [:P]) to the best of your abilitys.
If you still cant handle the emotions well go to sleep(works wonders for sea/motion sickness).
Then deal with the psycological effects it had on you.(or physical if you realy did burn your hand![:D])
#130
LOL its ok as long as people has valid questions bugging their mind and dont go into to great detail , like start sharing techniques and .... ill stop now.
#131
Welcome to Energy Body and The Chakras / Energy Hand
February 19, 2004, 20:38:48
Ye I agree wonder how much energy work he had to do to pull it off?
#132
Seriusly dubt it as it is a biologic neccessety to keep test the equipment. If you dont do it , the body is gonna do it for you in sleep =P (assuming no sex aswell).
But dont take my word for it , Mr.Kangs post on the front page has a answer to a similar question from Robert Bruce .

quote:
Sex will not disempower you unless you believe it will. Sex is actually very
balancing, which will help you achiever higher altered states. Celibacy is
not a good idea unless the desire to be celibate comes from within. A person
may 'believe' they have to be celibate, but unless this urge comes from
within and is truly what that person wants, then it will unbalance them
through frustration.

The sex chakra can become involved in energy work, but this is not a
desirable thing as its way too distracting. //Its best to work around this
center.


Note the post is regarding kundalini but i reckon this first question hold true for normal energy work as well.
Read the full post for consistancy http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/post.asp?method=Reply&TOPIC_ID=10596&FORUM_ID=13

#133
Perhaps read mrKangs post on kundalini he got answers from mr bruce , and it exlained alot of kundalini. Though i dont know if it would be very helpfull for your problems . Perhaps asking questions in my post to Robert Bruce would get you some better answers. Hopefully he will answer some of thise days =P
#134
im sorry , using muscles creates energy ? what kind?
I was under the impression that using muscles USES energy , and the only leftover is a little heat .

Ive heard some martial artist clenches muscles to draw more energy into the relaxed areas of the body(sort of putting up resistance along the other paths . But i reckon some training is required to get apreciable result from such practices
#135
WUUUT, This must be the most insightfull article on Kundalini i ever read. Internal ectoplasm ehh guess thats the ghost arm/snake thing that feel ultra soft lol or ultrasharp when it touches your glands .

THANKS ALOT ! just that description of what happens put me alot more to rest , finally i think i can write off once and for all being raped by a hungry sex ghost [:P] (thought i was 70 % sure of that allready).

I thought only the spineenergy was the kundalini! So in the beginning I dubted it was kundalini since although it was very similar symtomvize every site said elsewhere said it started alway in the back of the spine , while mine would always begin to act up between the anus genitals and bring the spine online later.

So basicly as i read it .The energy running up the spine to the head(and brings bliss) isnt the main event in kundalini , the ghost snake/hand gotta burrow/move all the way trough the genitial area and to the head (or is it the hearth)?(then i guess ive only been halfway there ).

Hmm i think i should try to ask Mr.Bruce a few questions myself.





#136
Hmm Over a week is gone and no one given a positive reply , and what is even more puzzling not even a single new post is made either !!
#137
Welcome to Metaphysics! / electrokinesis.....
February 14, 2004, 07:31:23
Hmm getting a degree in electronics wouldnt be much use before he actually could make electricity with hes body . So the only use it would be to him then would be to make money . LOL and keeping hes hands outa the sockets ![:P] .

LOL  Tip if your gonna persist in  repairing live circuits get nice rubber soles on your shoes and a grounding bracelet and a rubber glove. And have the bracelet over your glove when you work.
(i guess electrotrixters call it a Faraday cage)

And dont use the other hand unless it is similar equiped or its gonna make it way worse than if you hadnt had any protection at all .

However how hard is it realy to go to the fusebox and throw the mains switch?![?]

#138
While its true that there are practices thats goal are to arouse kundalini , i know nothing about their validity and do not intend to find out . Kundalini isnt realy a practice in itself .It is a phenomen ussually triggered by other practices either they are mystic(magic ,chanting etc) ,meditative(energy work , yoga etc) , near death experiences(or so ive read) even trough drugs (melatonin atleast CAN have this effect. ).

But im guessing the creator of the tread havent done any of the "kundalini practices" ,then he most likely would have some guru/master to turn to ,for good or worse.

Most likely he had it triggered by accident (unknowingly) and want to know how to get the most bothersome symptoms under control to lead hes life "normally".(hmm lol dang doing so much guessing either is gonna make my intuition stronger or Hardsignal laugh real hard[:D]).

Ok the reason for this post , was to caution hardsignal to meditativ/energywork while the kundalini is arousing . It can be  kinda , like tossing petrol on flames. It can make the Kundalini stronger and cause more symptoms (either of the same IF it is kundalini related or others where my guess is more pressure on knot on hes spine).

Anyway I cant say ,it couldnt work . As i know little about Kundalini myself (cept from experience) , and bluelite is right in that much of what you find on the web about the subject is bovine excrement advise. But then again to make things better one gotta take the risk. I only experiment with kundalini when i got lots of free time (so i can afford being knocked outa commision for a week or so .) and only if the kundalini isnt moving much also.
#139
Welcome to Magic! / There is no such thing as magic
February 13, 2004, 18:27:05
Hmm i just assumed it meant "unknown force" ,just as ufo is the term for other types of unknown fenomena.

After all for experienced wizards it would become less and less magical . Just as it isnt anything unidentifieble about a craft for the pilot(alien, russian or american etc[:P])
#140
hmm then i guess kundalini would be a great source for massive nervedamage [:P]
#141
quote:
First, what's your opinion on why they are only during these hours?
.

Hmm dont know about the palpitations. However Kundalini itself seems to cool off somewhat if you get busy and "goes to work on you when you relax" wich should account for it flowing much stronger at night. However Sensitivity seems to a common factor among most "Kundalinis"(lol sounds girlish[:D]) . So perhaps its something in your routine (like drinking coffee or something),that you not normally would react to but do when its "flowing" more.

 
quote:
Why only in the winter time does this happen to me?


Hmm Cant say for sure ,but seems that Kundalini is influenced by the melatonin hormon produced normally in the brain(i read a teory on it somewhere. )and also regulates sleep.  i got very sick after a melatonin treatment for my sleeping pattern(kundalini sick but i didnt know it then) . Also my strongest experiences seem to be in the winter also(so far).

 
quote:
Do you have any thots on what this knot might be?

The knot is probably you not relaxing and causing a subconcius strain wich halts the kundalini temporarly ,the stronger the kundalini flows the more painfull thise knots is gonna be . If you dont want kundalini experience then its realy hard to advise as loosing the knot will make it flow harder longer up the spine and well give you more. if you want it well then just relax good when you feel it forming (slow deep breathing) and let kundalini do its thing (lol whatever that may be) , And it should loosen (perhaps not instantly ).  

quote:
And finally, how do i get this to move along so i am no longer having palps.
?

Hard to say without knowing the true source for the palps . If kundalini is causing it , perhaps it gets better if you get the knot opend. I suggested looking for something in your routine above(coffe and smoking are very often the source).

Also it may be its not real palps (ok make real sure it is . When i was sick it felt my hearth was racing outa control and couldnt even stand , yet when someone took my pulse it was what you expect in a sleeping person!). And finnally do you stress much as in life? From the times you given it could seem it starts about when work starts(or an hour after) and stops when its resting time in the evening.

If it aint something you intake and you havent been prone to get palps before (at less regular intervals) then it realy cant harm to see the doc (you dont even have to mention kundalini , hes just looking for physical causes and their good at finding them to .At other things they suree suck[;)]) .

Well hope it helps the slightest.
#142
Hmmm Perhaps a memory pulled in the vision field(guess it falls in hypnogogic category) , I sometimes do that ,close my eyes and "see" the world as i saw it , and try to update it as best i can in real time. Just sometimes if im paying attencion to 1 thing (like updating what i see to reflect my position while moving) stuff like a discarded lamp(or a tidy room appear when i just made a mess). Effectivly making it less acurate.

Guess thats why blind folks always put their stuff in the same spot and never redecorates =P.

Or it could be astral vision (dont realy know what it is thought=P )
#143
Agreed , I reckon the problems encountered is highly induvidual . Just as pain is experienced diffrently from person to person . Some faint with the sight of their blood and others may just register the pain and shrug or even laugh.

I can only assume the same holds true for getting ones emotional system highwired . Also I can fully BELIVE people that actually know what their doing and got somesort of spiritual/energy experience would be better suited to handle any difficulties and experiment better than what i did (heck if i had known i wasnt going crazy , wasnt seriusly ill or in the hands of a malign spirit i think it been a better start=P).

I can honestly say i dont know (and wouldnt care to guess) what would happen if you Robert (or anyone else) are gonna undertake it.
Since the only thing i know about kundalini is what i stated in the former post ,ohh that and my symptoms fits very nicely with those with those of varius kundalini sites on the web (the reason i would even know that i am experiencing this).

EDIT :  
quote:
The difference is like what you'd expect between turning on the faucet and the 5 inch fire hose
.LOL Jiola you certainly got the essence of it .
#144
Thought i make a new post to give you this
http://www.elcollie.com/st/st.html

Its a kundalini site ,where you can read about what others experienced (some seem very strange indeed)
#145
"Warning this got pretty long"
Yes i belive i did it , as for miracles , none  . Saw/felt magnetic force of magnets ,very blissfull experiences sometimes .
Extreme energy regeneration and awakeness.(after purposly trying to tire out  and sleep ,a light meal and 10 min sitting still and its like its never happend). Extreme taste (i never imagined fruit could taste so good and syntetic snacks could taste so foul , smoking was horrible.). Could imagine about anything and see it about as real in my mind as it would be had it been in real life. (a blessing only when your calm and composed , and less good when your scared from not knowing whats happening to you.(you imagine bad stuff)).

While most of this things seem cool , and i admitt they where(i speak in past tense since they have dulled down a bit but may comeback at times on very short notice in deed . The prize was pretty high also . It takes a big toll on the nervous system , this blissfull sensations seem like some cullmination of all the automatic energywork beeing done most over your body , and you cant just turn it off , trying to influence it makes it mostly just more intence , to the point you feel pain.

Also the feelings can take on semiphysical form and feels about how it would feel getting ghost hands stroking trough your body . (To that degree i still wonder if it kundalini or ghost/spirits this day when it appears in that aspect instead of "strong energysensations along the spine ,triggering bliss everytime it hitts a chackra."
 
Also while it was about fully risen , since i couldnt sleep 72 hours (wich i reckoned would be very bad for the mind no matter what the body might say)i was forced to seek medical help and let me tell you , the doctors aint the most spiritual of people and will try and drive it out of you with antipsycothics , if they dont plain locks you up .

This can happen (if you meet the "right" docs)cause when they ask and you mention something about seeing magnets or other
other stuff ,your gonna sound pretty strange , and top it off with
some hyperactivity/restlessness from:

1 : Not having slept for a looong time 2: having strange energys wissing about , and jolting you every now and then when it hits nerves or glands . and 3: Not having the darnest about whats happening to you (well this just aplies to everyone who dont do it on purpose). You WILL seem atleast psycothic to the docs.

So i count me lucky for getting out of there with just 1 recept for sleeping pills and 1 for antipsycothics and a appointment with a psyciatrist.(Looney bin was probably full [:D] ,cause he looked mighty strangly on me).

Some final warnings : Living a normal life (with school ,work etc) can be difficult , it cost me a year of school .But i have read about others that makes my experience seem very light indeed(thought i certainly found nothing "light" about it . You will not nessecerly get some devine knowledge , i certainly didnt.

Do not take antipsycothic pills , i took 1 and that made me XTREAMLY confused and allready noncontrolleble emotions went TOTALLY HAVOC(in that state i woulda been happy to go to looneybin!!!!![:P])!And things had a odd knack for dropping to the floor ,wich may have been Tk/Pk but in such a state it was not possible to even assess the likelyhood of that. sleeping pills however was invalueble (imovane type).

Any meditation and or energywork you are currently are enjoying will most likely gonna be asking for another kundalini workover atleast for a long while( i can do a little meditation now ,for a short time and not very deep) . And Psi Defence aint gonna protect you from this ,when you tire ,all technices i tried to date have only made it worse ,cept standard praying.

Well thats it , as you see it aint all supa powa . But i dont try to get people from it. I assume your a perfectly rational beeing and can your own desicion if this is good course to persue. I honestly dunno if given a choise would have persued it. But then again it do have a few upsides. A mixed blessing to be sure. Now that feel mostly normal , i have retained few of the abilitys (and in a weakend state) , I can still feel magnets if i focus on them for a time(feeling em out so to speak). My intuition is a little better . and it is easier to errh vizualise (so i see what im visualising more clearly) . Just small things that doesnt have a big impact on my life for now. But who knows what the tommorow brings.
#146
Do you feel your doing something thats is work(eg not relaxing) when doing this ? If you are (or seeing a little bad) it is much easier to get those colours ,thise are from strain ,not nesseverly from your eyes ,whether you see directly into a bright lamp or try and realy hard remembering something you dont know or cant remember. Lights eventually will be seen.

As you are prolly like most people much more familiar with straining to remember than the strain of looking into a lightbulb.So much more light is seen from this task. However if you relax good when seeing into a lightbulb and/or get very familiar with this task , much less afterimiges is seen and passes more quikkly.

Anyway since your doing "mystic" things i cant totally write off some other explanation for thise lights. But you can easely check yourself by doing one of the exercises i mentioned and see if they seem similar.

So for conclusion i would hazard a guess your either pretty new to errh NEW or consentrating Pretty hard getting the energys flowing and chackras wizzing. And in anycase doing some sort of strain , and is rewarded with after images for your efforts.

Try and relax better when doing energy work.(not consentrate like your moving rocks) and see if it lessend and/or passes quiklier.
#147
Just got an eye check . I had -1.75 diopters in my glasses both sides. Now i got   between -1.75 to -1.50 left. And about -1.25 right ! (thought my last optologist (sorry if misspelled) said i was -2.0 ,so i dont know why i got weaker glasses)

My checkup was hillerius , on the smaller types espessially diamond type(think its the name) my vision was very unstable ,hence it is hard to say accurate. Because when i got glasses i could see with i would see it accuratly for 2-3 sec and then it turned to tiny black spots.(most likely strain from all the diffrent glassess i was tested with  ).

So i was like "yes , no , yes hmm gone again!" Then just recite them from memory=P. Was very dizzy when i was done.

But it shows this thingy works GREAT for me ,i feel confident i will reclaim my eyesight fully . Even if it will take awhile (i havent had such great progress i made the 3 first days ).  
Anyway great results from just 1 week , cant wait to get to the end of the month [8D] .

Hmmm cant belive this Bates guy went in the grave without acknowledgement and even worse hes science isnt made public knowledge.

#148
Ye i do see , hmm i dont think im gonna try this qi gong thingy. I am pretty sensitive to things , thanx for the warning (and honest answers). Hmm gotta do a search for the liminal thingy , dont know what it even means =P.

Thanx alot , for your answers. Atleast now i feel it may be something in thise courses .

Anyone else tried some of thise . Espessially Photoreading , or this IQ boosting. (those looks just awsome)
#149
What kind of results exactly?
#150
My Lord . I never thought it would work this fast !!!!!
Im halvway trough this bookhttp://i-see.org/perfect_sight/
and only today done any serius testing (lay the glasses on shelf yeasterday).  

My sight have improved atleast a full glass size the last quarter.
I test myself with a printed snellen test on the wall.
Just cant belive it ! sight truly is mostly in the mind.

Ohhh and im pretty furius at being conned into getting glasses , thought my optician may just had the best intencions for me . If i hadnt gotten stronger glasses about 8 months ago , i would be about normal vision with the improvement i just had.

But now i truly belive i can get normal vision without surgery . This is like NEW for the eyes , heck i think its better than new .
It is just as simple and gives better sight!

Anyone else seeing the light(better)?[:D]