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I didn't do too bad...

Paranoid:  Low
Schizoid:  Low
Schizotypal:  Low
Antisocial:  Low
Borderline:  Low
Histrionic:  Low
Narcissistic:  Low
Avoidant:  Moderate
Dependent:  Low
Obsessive-Compulsive:  Low

Looks like a scam both sites have diffent ip's that aren't even in the same range.  

yahoo.com (66.218.71.198)
Yahoo!
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA, 94089
US

Then there is:

yahoo-wallet.com (203.93.94.228)

When doing a traceroute it looks like they are also using different providers.

Is this it?

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7718

I've used hemi-sync stuff and bwgen, they seem to help but never got me out of body.

Here is my first:

I started feeling really strong vibrations through my body and I could tell that my astral body was trying to separate and I heard a really loud ringing noise that kept getting worse.  I was really scared of what it might be like so I tried waking myself up to avoid projecting but I couldn't cause I was paralyzed.  I couldn't see anything it was all black then my body started vibrating really fast and I knew that I was separating but trying to stop it.  

Once I knew that I was separated I still couldn't see but the only thing I could move was my left arm and I was able to feel my face with my astral hand which felt electrically charged, then I started floating up slowly with intense vibrations but I didn't want to so I grabbed onto the railing on my bed and which stopped me.  I could tell that I had floated a little above my body.  I was paralyzed and couldn't move anything except my left arm that was holding onto the rail, I then tried to open my eyes and it seemed I could only open my left eye but I could see perfectly clear through it.  

I was staring at the ceiling which looked perfectly clear and in detail (I have bad eyesight).  I tried to turn around and look at my body but couldn't.  I still couldn't move at all so I panicked and started thinking of my body and waking up so I woke up right away but it was probably because I was so scared.  It was really scary when the split was happening and when I started floating up but I just wish I could have moved more.

I get that all of the time since I've started attempting ap.  It mostly comes on when I'm concentrated and my mind isn't wandering.

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette

I wouldn't use mIRC for downloading music. You can get busted more easily that way.

Maybe if your the bot sharing the music.  I've only heard of them catching people on kazaa.

I don't download too much anymore but I use ftp's and mirc where you can get full albums.  I have around 60 gigs of just full albums now which I will never have enough time to listen to.

I wonder if he believes in a literal devil because he says "Satan is a personal devil" in his experience here:
http://www.near-death.com/forum/0123.html

I'll probably buy some hemisync cd's if I can find something that works good but here is a list of ones I've gotten on winmx but I haven't tried any of them yet:

Audio Book - Hemi-Sync - Transcendence - Non Verbal - meditation use headphones(1).mp3
Brainwave Mind Voyages - Remote Viewing - Remote Perception.mp3
Hemi-Sync - Dane Spotts - Ultra Meditation II - Transformation - Theta-Delta.mp3
Hemi-Sync - Holosync - Oasis (Theta).mp3
Hemi-Sync - Hypnosis - willy Sutphen - Enhancer - theta with delta pulse.mp3
Hemi-Sync - Metamusic - Deep Journeys - Steven Halpern(1).mp3
Hemi-Sync - Metamusic - SuperLearning.mp3
Hemi-Sync - Mind Food - Energy Walk (complete).mp3
Hemi-Sync - Opening The Heart 4 Opening To Love.mp3
Hemi-Sync - TimeOut for Sleep - 01 - Intro to Hemisync.mp3
Hemi-Sync - TimeOut for Sleep - 06 - Dreaming ( REM ) Sleep.mp3
Hemi-Sync Wave I #6 Free Flow 10.mp3
Hemi-Sync Wave III #2 Remote Viewing.mp3
Meditation - Hemi-Sync - Andrew Weil - Symphony Of Brainwaves.mp3

I've seen some of that on Winmx before.

quote:Originally posted by James S

Makaveli,

It is with very little regret that I wish to inform you that Narrow Path will no longer be able to respond to your post.

[]
James.

I guess I'll have to go back to being mislead by Satan, I was so close to being converted.

I've messed up a lot of LDs by getting too excited.  Once I realise I'm dreaming I usually can't get it to last more then 10 seconds.  Lately I've been screwing them up because I get lazy.  This morning I became conscious in a dream which lasted a few seconds but for some reason I willingly decided that I would rather wake up, after getting up I banged my head against the wall and couldn't figure out why I would give that up.

Great post Robert!

Allanon,

You clearly know the truth so I dare not question that.  So in order for me to avoid being mislead by Satan should I:

-Let fanatics such as yourself tell me exactly what the truth is, what to believe, and how to act.
-Close my mind and censor myself to anything outside of the church.  
-Bash other beliefs and be very judgemental because thats what Jesus wants us to do.
-Preach fear and use threats of eternal hell in order to convert the heathens.
-Spend large amounts of time scaring myself and others about Satan who God gives so much power and influence over us.  
-Attack any questioning of the strict fundamentalist or evangelist views.  
-Twist the meaning of a few bible passages in order to inforce narrow dogmatic views.
??

I used to go a lot when I was younger but for the most part it didn't do anything for me that I can remember.  It seemed pointless and more like something to get out of the way, I finally realized just going to church doesn't make you spiritual or a good person.  Though I have seen a few people who it has helped but most people who go don't seem anymore spiritual then those who don't attend church.

quote:Originally posted by Logic

I was trying to point out that what allanon was crying about for who knows how, was that no matter what everyone has OBE's, its fact. Most of them probably arent christian based or related. Like I said, Its part of human atonomy. When you die DMT is released into the body and the brain functions concioussly for about 3-4 minutes, then you have an OBE, because you die ofcourse.

Ok I see, sorry for the misunderstanding.

quote:Originally posted by Logic

Well, im going to end this topic once and for all (if people are infact still replying to this 'jibberish')

It all begins with a chemical called DMT (N,N-dimethyltryptamine
(C12H16N2)). A great deal of research has been done on the chemical since its discovery in the western world. Users have claimed to travel to the spirit realm, leaving their bodies and having incredible revelations about almost anything. Experiences are of vivid realities much stronger than astral projection.

Research on test subjects has shown a dramatic change in brainwave's, enough to support the fact that the user has "left" their body, as to their claim. The interesting part about the chemical though, is that it is NOT synthesized. It is extracted from plants like yopo, and also exists in every human body.

Mass production of it is produced by the pineal gland at early ages, before puberty takes effect. When a human is born and dies, or has a NDE, a chamber is opened in the brain that releases an amazing ammount of liquid dmt into the body, the sensation of experiencers who have had NDE's all say the general same thing. Bright lights, popping noises when leaving the body, immense tone's becoming louder and louder, like in astral projections.

Another thing, is how small ammounts of the chemical are released during sleep, as well as production of which after puberty. DMT isnt produced constantly after puberty, but only when sleeping. After puberty, 5-MeO-DMT is produced (5-Methoxy-N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) a somewhat, stronger version of the chemical.

This probably isnt the best essay I've ever written, but the fact is that EVERYONE has astral projection to a certain degree in their lives, in death and in dreams to a smaller degree. Astral Projection is unavoidable, period.

Wrong topic your post has nothing to do with this religious debate.  

With what you said it looks like drugs may very well induce OBEs but identifying a trigger of this does nothing to explain the actual experience.  

"Of course, the drug does not produce the transcendent experience. It merely acts as a chemical key - it opens the mind, frees the nervous system of its ordinary patterns and structures. - Timothy Leary

There are many ways to trigger OBEs:
http://www.near-death.com/triggers.html

quote:Originally posted by Mustardseed

Well first of all this thing about God. I am not sure about it but I seem to have read that the word Lord is not the same as God. Many believe that those folks saw Jesus. He apparently appeared in the Old testament as well. He is thought to be the mysterious king Melkizedek too. I would have to research it and see, however please be reasonable. If you are sincerly wanting to know I will spent time on it but if it is only sort of a "argument for the sake of argument" I do also work a job and the Forum is not all I have to do. But let me see what I can dig up.

I thought the Lord and God were the same well these 2 passages make it seem that way but I'm not sure:

Ex.3:16
"The LORD God ... appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you."
Ex.4:5
"That they may believe that the LORD God ... hath appeared unto thee."

If your looking online for this to be shown it is too subjective since it's not controlled.  

This video is a live demonstration done with remote viewing on upn news:

http://www.psitech.net/MovieViewer.html?MovieSel=TRVDemo

This link has some video with telekinesis but I wouldn't trust it nearly as much as controlled experiments done with the paranormal:

http://www.psipog.net/media.php

Here are some links from a site I had bookmarked that deal with parapsychology which deals with the science of paranormal:

http://www.geocities.com/astral_traveller19/Links.html#parapsy

Evidence for this type of thing can mainly only be found in actual experience since that is the only way too really know.  Floating out of body for the first time is what it took for me to really know ap is real before that I hardly believed any of it but it sounded like fun.  Almost anything other then experience is mostly personal opinion where everyone has a different one.  If interested in the scientific part of the paranormal look into parapsychology or quantum metaphysics.

quote:Originally posted by Mustardseed

You know what my friend. I will gladly talk to you about thease things. Unfortunately I am not able tro get into long long debates and threads Lets start simple and I will help you , ask me one question at a time OK. Thanks
regarda MS

Ok, just dealing with this one contradiction if the bible is infalible why does it say "No one has ever seen God ..." (John 1:18) then there is that long list of passages which I posted where people saw God?  

quote:(answer)Is that a contradiction. Does not seem so to me???I Dont understand.

I also said that there are absurd things.  That is not a contradiction and it is just a extremely stupid passage.  

quote:(answer)Not enough. The story you qoute is firstly about Jacob the deciever. Later to be named Israel. It says "he wresteled with a man......." it is believed to have been a angel and not God. Jacob however thought it was God. This is different. Moses did not see him either, all he saw was his hiney and it gave him a sunburn.You gotta research it properly and use context.

The bible stated it was God and if not the bible must be wrong.  Just one contradiction (there are many) blows away the idea of the bible being infalible.  Besides there are many more:

Gen.12:7
"And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him."
Gen.17:1
"And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him...."
Gen.18:1
"And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre."
Gen.26:2
"And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of.
Gen.26:24
"And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not."
Gen.32:30
"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
Gen.35:1
"And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Bethel, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother."
Gen.35:7
"And he built there an altar, and called the place Elbethel: because there God appeared unto him, when he fled from the face of his brother."
Gen.35:9
"And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him."
Gen.48:3
"And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan."
Ex.3:16
"The LORD God ... appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you."
Ex.4:5
"That they may believe that the LORD God ... hath appeared unto thee."
Ex.6:3
"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob...."
Ex.24:9-11
"Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel ... They saw God, and did eat and drink."
Ex.33:11
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend."
Ex.33:23
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts."
Num.14:14
"For they have heard that thou Lord art among this people, that thou Lord art seen face to face."
Dt.5:4
"The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire."
Dt.34:10
"And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face."
Jg.13:22
"And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God."
1 Kg.22:19
"I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left."
Job 42:5
"I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee."
Ps.63.2
"To see thy power and they glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary."
Is.6:1
"In the year that King Ussiah died, I saw, also, the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up."
Is.6:5
"For mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts."
Ezek.20:35
"And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face."
Am.7:7
"The LORD stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand."
Am.9:1
"I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake."
Hab.3:3-5
"God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran .... He had horns coming out of his hand."  


Here is another contradiction:

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast." (Eph. 2:8-9) "And if by grace, then it is no longer by works ..." (Rom. 11:6)

"You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone." (James 2:24)

quote:(answer)We believe we are forgiven our sins and has a home with God in the after life

Yeah a lot of religions believe that they will be the best off in the afterlife but who is to say which one is correct?  

quote:But within the framework of Christianity these things are all coherent, there is no contradiction between them.

Within the framework of just about all other religion these things are all coherent.  There are many undeniable contradictions and obsurd things in the bible.  

"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him, and bring him to the elders at the gate of the town. They shall say to the elders "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of this town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid." Deuteronomy 21:18

"No one has ever seen God ..." (John 1:18)

"It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared." (Gen. 32:30)

Enough said.

quote:I do agree, but at the same time we have to remember that people will make the choice to change their beliefs if they have good reason to do so. All I want to point out is that it is not necessarily so.

True there are always execptions.  There is no reason to believe that they should be choosing Christianity since it is based on faith.

quote:Of course not, but good thing we don't have to worry.

Why wouldn't Christians have to worry compared to other religions?

quote:And you are close to hitting the nail on the head as to why most people do reject Christianity and any religious belief altogether - they simply don't want to. It is a matter of the will, not the mind or the heart.

[/uote]Of course, being a Christian, you already know how I would answer your question. I have found that Christianity is the most intellectually coherent and rational religion that makes the most sense for the state of the world and those who live in it.

Is there any good reason why someones will or heart should lead them to being Christian?  I find much of it very inconsistent we should address some specific areas since I still see no logical arguments to support Christianity.  I would like to know what seems so rational about these beliefs.  

quote:No, there is nothing wrong with being open-minded, but when it comes down to it, being open-minded for too long can have eternal consequences. And this is why I have stated earlier that Christianity's claims must be investigated most earnestly with an open heart and mind as the consequences effect both life and death, for eternity.

This is why I say, start somewhere, get grounded in something, and then start comparing different religious beliefs to see which is closest to the truth - the truth being that which corresponds to reality.

Also, one must be careful of becoming complacent, for lack of a better term, about searching or believing that one can find the truth by believing that we cannot understand the whole truth anyway. I do agree that the finite cannot comprehend the infinite, however, I believe that, being made in the image of the Creator, we have the capacity to comprehend most truth and to rationally determine if it is indeed something that is true. There will always be an element of faith involved, but it need not be all faith or blind faith.

So Christians are closed-minded?  Dogma like the one associated with Christianity is limiting people in many ways.  People of all religions search for the truth and find it the most logical like you describe Christians doing.  There is no reason to consider Christianity the default path for what the truth is.  So many Christians seem to limit God to a book and they twist bible passages around to suit themselves.

[Whether I know the truth or not I can still see all of the inconsistencies and contradictions in your fanatical beliefs.]

quote:Originally posted by Narrow Path

I am not preaching.

LOL!!!!

quote:I just know what the Truth is and the moral relativists here that debate me DO NOT because the very fabric of there arguments is that there is no Truth.

Correction you think you know what the truth is but personal opinions do not shape reality.  You just can't seem to see past that large ego of yours.  Who claims there is no truth?  It would be better to say that we can't comprehend the truth at this level like you pretend to.  I've said this several times but please learn the meaning of debate.  

quote:Go figure.

If you dont know what the Truth is than how can you say I am wrong?

I know what the truth is if you don't bow down and worship astral projection then you will be tourmented in the belief system teritories by negatives and spirit guides.  

Now to be serious there is no indication that you even have a remote clue as to what the truth is with these extremley ignorant views that also seem to contradict what Jesus taught.  We can try to understand stuff like the meaning of life as best as possible but most people here don't predend to know as a fact what they cannot possibly comprehend.  It wouldn't make much sense to say that we in the physical plane could understand the truth about something beyond us like God and the afterlife, I wouldn't limit God to a book either.  Whether I know the truth or not I can still see all of the inconsistencies and contradictions in your fanatical beliefs.

Logical thinking is a good way of evaluating beliefs but you won't find the truth through it.  I completely agree with this quote:

"Pure logical thinking cannot yield us any knowledge of the empirical world. All knowledge of reality starts from experience and ends in it." (Albert Einstein)