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[9 He said, "Go and tell this people: " 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.' 10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. [1] Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."]

quote:Allanon, if you want to post quotes from the Bible, at least spare us the long pages and put the quotes in 1 message, and not 40934503945 of them.

My apologies.

9 He said, "Go and tell this people:

" 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.'
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes. [1]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed."

[He said, "Go and tell this people: " 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.' 10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. [1] Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."]

He said, "Go and tell this people:

" 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.'
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes. [1]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed."


If you reject the Word of God you will be allowed by God to be deceived from your own fallen natures. The Word makes no sense to you because you have turned your hearts from the Truth too long.

The signs of the Lord and His return are approaching and the manifestation of the Word will be a testament to God's unalterable Law.

[19 When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn. 21 Distressed and hungry, they will roam through the land; when they are famished, they will become enraged and, looking upward, will curse their king and their God. 22 Then they will look toward the earth and see only distress and darkness and fearful gloom, and they will be thrust into utter darkness.]

19 When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn. 21 Distressed and hungry, they will roam through the land; when they are famished, they will become enraged and, looking upward, will curse their king and their God. 22 Then they will look toward the earth and see only distress and darkness and fearful gloom, and they will be thrust into utter darkness.

[" 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.' 10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. [1] Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."]

" 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.'
10 Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes. [1]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed."

One of my favorite verses from the Word of God

1. 1 Corinthians 13


Love

1If I speak in the tongues[1] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[2] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love

[He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.]

13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature,[2] God made you[3] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[4]

You see my friends we are all striving to do the right things. I understand that you reach out to God in the best Way you know how. But the sad reality is that we can never be good enough to live up to the "code" of Love that we hold too. That is why God sent His only begotan Son so that we may be freed from the standards that we fail at constantly.

1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual[1] act of worship. 2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.


Live your lives in Love like you have been but you must put Christ at the top of your list of priorities. He freed us from the Law and there will come a Day when those who did not beleive in His Words will be doomed from the Law. You must let the Holy Spirit take over your heart.

[17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled.]

quote:Now.. why does the role of the messiah suddenly change when Jesus pops up? Is it because he never did any of the things the messiah was (or is) supposed to do, or because God lied? It has to be one of those things.

Clover you miss the point here. Jesus is the Messiah but before He ends it all EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE PROPHECIES OF THE BIBLE MUST COME TRUE. Read the following verse if you are open minded enough. Verse 17 in particular.

15Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled. 18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

You see once all the prophecies of the Bible come True the Lamb is allowed to finish the war. Otherwise if the Lamb finished it early than God's Word would be a lie!!!! Do you see??

14They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."


You see this is a difficult time for us beleivers. Lies about God are allowed to be spread about Him because the Authority rests with the Beast. Those that cherish the True Word of God will be delivered on the last day.

[Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.]

Mark 6:10 And he said unto them, In what place soever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place.
Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

[17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled.]

15Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule, until God's words are fulfilled. 18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

[1 John 2:5But if anyone obeys his word, God's love[ 2:5 Or word, love for God] is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:]

1 John 2:5
But if anyone obeys his word, God's love[ 2:5 Or word, love for God] is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:

[Hebrews 5:12In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!]

 

Hebrews 5:12
In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

[Praise to God for a Living Hope 3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade--kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7These have come so that your faith--of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.]

Praise to God for a Living Hope

3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade--kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God's power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7These have come so that your faith--of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

[Romans 12:2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.]

quote:I pray to my spirit guides and to anybody listening in at the time

PRAY TO THE GOD THAT GAVE UP HIS PERFECT SOUL SO THAT YOU MAY LIVE FOREVER. PRAY TO THE SON OF MAN WHO ALONE HAS CONQUERED DEATH. LET HIM BE YOUR GUIDE AND YOU SHALL NOT STRAY. HE IS ALWAYS LISTENING.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.

quote:Question: how can we say that something is unalterable ?

You can beleive the world and what you perceive through your senses or you can beleive the Perfect Word of God. God is Perfect and thus His words cannot be changed.

The tribulation is coming where those that are dead in Christ shall reign. Those that reject His Word shall reap their reward as well.

quote:PS so is Allah, Buddha and Shiva!

Allah is the face of a demon perpetuated by Muhamed a mortal man who led a life of murder and wife abuse.

Buddha is dead in his grave and told his followers to "work out your own salvation.".

Shiva is an idol and never had life to begin with.

Jesus Christ is the Way, Truth, and the Light and ressurected from the dead.

Remember this when you hear the final trumpet.

Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Chrsit is Lord.

quote:No, I dont think you die at all. My spirit will live on as a part of everything. Matter is never destroyed, just relocated. When I die, my soul will be a part of the universe, no part of god. SCREW GOD! I dont want some old guy in robes taking care of my soul. It can take care of itself...

How do you think you came to life anyways. It was by the grace of God. Without Him you are DUST.

Wisp there is only One path that leads to Heaven. You see Heaven is a place of perfection where only those THAT HAVE NEVER SINNED are allowed. The only Way you can get in the pearly gates is to let Christ take your place at the time of the judgement. There is no other Way. It is really quite simple. Your man made religons are your way of forgeting the horrible state of the nature of man. Accept Jesus and inherit Eternal Life!!!!!

You guys all seem to follow some sort of moral code.

Interesting.

Interesting is it not that ALL OF YOU HAVE FAILED AT ONE TIME IN YOUR LIFE TO FULFILLING THAT CODE.

Interesting too that any "moral" definition ar good that is strewn out here is found in the Holy Bible which is Absolute Truth.

Jesus Christ is the ONLY person who lived up to the True Law of God. You guys may think you are right BUT I KNOW I AM RIGHT. It is not a beleif. Christ is the Truth.

quote:we were born into a state of grace

Actually we were born into a fallen nature. We must accept grace first.

[AP experience is not evil par se. It is the fruit of the AP that counts. If from your AP experiences you beleive that you do not NEED the blood of Christ for eternal life than those experiences are coming from false spirits.If you AP and realize the Truth that is in Christ than I see no problem there. Test the spirits if they are of God as Paul tells us to do.]

quote:"The bible is the word of God, because it says so in the bible."

Is that your argument?

Or is it because of its self-fulfilling prophecies? War in the Middle East anyone?

The Bible is verifyable for those of no faith by its Prophecies and Eye Witness testimonies as well as Historical Evidence.

AP experience is not evil par se. It is the fruit of the AP that counts. If from your AP experiences you beleive that you do not NEED the blood of Christ for eternal life than those experiences are coming from false spirits.

If you AP and realize the Truth that is in Christ than I see no problem there. Test the spirits if they are of God as Paul tells us to do.

The Bible is the Word of God and all we have to go by.

OK, OK, I don't want anyone here to have hurt feelings so lets just call it a day and enjoy this link!!!

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/gijoe.html

quote:I just cant believe that the bible remained unchanged for thousands of years, while everything else on the earth changed. Its just not possible for something to retain its message after 2,000 years of politicians..

All things are possible with God.

Have any of you expert AP'ers ever talked with a Shaman from the rainforest and experienced the vine of the dead?

Christianity is the One True Religon and all others are counterfeits.

[If I am so totally wrong on the nature of Christ than why have there been over 60 replies in one day?]

quote:I think you have done more to help others understand the truth of Christ here than our poor friend Allanon. I think he means well, and I agree with his fundemental message, but it's his delivery.

I guess you have to ask yourself if a lovey dovey approach is going to get through to those that allow themselves to be deceived. When Jesus saw the abominations going on in His Fathers house He threw down tables and caused a scene. Sometimes it takes a punch in the face to realize the Truth. It did with me as I sounded just like the others here on the board.

If I am so totally wrong on the nature of Christ than why have there been over 60 replies in one day?