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#126
The TV screen appears when you enter Focus Level 21. From then you may watch it or you may move in to Focus Level 22. How do you do that? Just step inside the TV Screen and you will be sorrounded by the things in TV. Everything will have depth.

I suggest everyone entering this state of conciousness to listen to the sounds around. It helps to move in to upper levels.

Hope this helps.
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#127
Thanks for your replies...

First of all i want to tell you that i believe this was telepathy for sure.

So we extended our experiments further... My fiancee visualized herself holding a piece of paper in her hand. A two digit number were written on the paper. And i tried to read it. But it was too blurry and i couldnt read the numbers but i saw the paper.

Later on we defined a number of places to be and she visualized herself on one of them. I visited all those places and spotted her where she is.

Interesting thing is that we cannot talk, cannot read but we can see each other while visualizing. No deep trance, no relaxation required at all.

So how does it happen? If you ask me i could only tell you that it is a kind of like remote viewing.

So i tried to visualize that i am standing in the next room of my office and tried to see who is there. I saw three people inside but i just couldnt identify who were they. So i went there to see the results of my experiment. And I saw there were three people sitting there. I think this was remote viewing.

But how do you explain that one can see someone elses visualization.

I am waiting for your ideas about these experiments....
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#128
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Would it be wise to just spend some time let say 3 months or so (depending on how long it takes for you to open you're Chakras) and meditate for some time.



Well Stealth i actually trained Zen Meditation for two years. All i can say is that it helps your concantration level to increase. I think its all about concentration because everyone is able to utilize the energy they have but they just don't have control over it conciously.

I think the trial and error is the best method for everyone.

Once my father said to me when he was teaching me how to play guitar that every player holds the pick different.

I think you can open your chackras easily with the mental hands method. But to concantrate in a higher level, you have to work a lot.

I suggest you to count your breathing from 1 to 10. When you reach 10 start from 1 again. Don't close your eyes. Don't lie down. Sit in a comfortable chair. Just concantrate on your breathing. Let the thought come and pass through your mind. It is the easiest method of meditation.
#129


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Originally posted by Michael_E


yes, i believe that hodja nasreddin and mulla nasrudin are the same, but i dont know why there is two different names for the same person. Myabe Hodja Nasreddin is the turkish equivalent?



Yes it is... [:)]


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Two rooms under close observation. One holds a bed and a man about to achieve AP. The other holds a table with a single object on it. A candle, for instance. The man Aps, and travels to the other rooom. He takes note of all that is in the room, then returns. Repeat until the government is satasfied.



People believe what they want to believe... so if they want to believe it there is no need for such an experiment i think. Everyone sees dreams when they sleep... As Bruce says in Treatise on OBE:


Once the astral body has separated, it is free to create dreams. This is the natural (sleep, dream) process we are all familiar with.


#130
Welcome to Dreams! / Some Questions...
July 25, 2003, 04:29:21
cainam_nazier i really appreciate to hear your thoughts.

Actually seeing the future is not some sort of seeing symbolic visions for me. Because when i see the future i actually see what happens in the real world like i am watching T.V. in my first person view. But i cant quite figure out which dream is about future. I see these real life sequences in my dreams and after a while (a week or so) it just happens. When it is happening in reality i have no control over the things that happening. It lasts for about 10 minutes. And it is like i am getting on a bus and buying a bus ticket. Or i walk in a place i have never been before.

I just want to have control over these experiences. Like i want to say "this is going to happen"

A year ago i saw myself in my friends room. We were sitting and chatting. I saw the picture on the wall fell down. A week later i went to my friends house, we sat together and i felt the same smell, same sounds, same conversations and suddenly i said "The picture will fall" and it fell. So i proved my self that i can see sequences of future...

Now i am currently OBE'ing every night and trying to improve my skills on it.
#131
Hi Stealth, the most important thing is the visualization... You just dont actually see your astral body. But with practice you will understand how to see in the astral. For practice just try to remember what you did in the morning for example... Visualize it in your mind. How did you get up and what you did after that. Try to remember like you are watching T.V. in your First Person View.

Here is a quote from Treatise on OBE by Bruce...


Visualization is a big hurdle for people when they are learning to project. Many have
trouble with it because they think they have to actually SEE what they are visualizing,
you DON'T. People who can visualize things clearly DON'T actually see anything. If
they do, it is no longer a visualization but a clairvoyant vision.
Visualization is simply the ability to construct a representation of what something would
look, or feel like, in your minds eye.
#132
They all are living in a material world...

BTW: Michael_E are you talking about Hodja Nasreddin in your signature??? [:)]
#133
This is from Treatise on OBE by Bruce...


If you read the enormous number of case histories available on out of body and near
death experiences; you will find many accounts hinting at perceptions of duality which
indicate symptoms of the mind split effect at work. It is fairly common, during an
OOBE, to be aware of the physical body while also being aware of existing in the
projected double, or less commonly, vice-versa. This effect appears to indicate the
existence of telepathic and bio-energetic links between the physical body and it's remote
projected double (possibly via the silver cord). This link appears to serve the purpose of
providing the projected double with the necessary energies it requires whilst operating
out of body, while also maintaining an unbreakable connection with it's physical body.
This connection also allows the physical body to be, in many ways, monitored (or sensed)
so that no harm can come to it during an OOBE.
#134
Welcome to Dreams! / Some Questions...
July 24, 2003, 01:00:06
lucid dancer thanks for your comments... I just dont want to see the future at all. It sometimes happens to me thats all. What i really want to do is to explore the astral planes and see if i can meet someone that i could ask questions. I also wonder if i will be able to meet a friend of mine in the same projection. And ah! there is one more thing. I want to project while my eyes open. And see if i can move around and see through things. I am working hard on these...
#135
OK here is my method...
You should be well rested and you shouldnt be tired at all.
The room must be fairly dark.
Lie down on your bed in a comfortable position. Close your eyes and listen to your physical body. Dont move! In about 10 minutes your body will get paralyzed slowly. You may see some visual figures but concantrate on your breath and your body and ignore the figures. Soon your body will fall asleep. But your mind should stay awake... So in order to stay awake you can talk to yourself. I always talk to myself and tell what i feel or see like i am talking to someone else. When you make sure that the physical body is asleep. Think about your astral body. Think of your astral body gets up and walks in the room. Just imagine that... Then try to look at your physical body from your astral body. Can you see?
Congratulations, You just made it...

Hope this helps...
#136
Welcome to Dreams! / Some Questions...
July 22, 2003, 23:58:55
I just cant understand why you are angry with mirador... His/her post contained nothing to get me out of these forums. He was just right about my questions were personal. i followed his/her advice and asked the same questions to a friend of mine. And she told a lot about these things. She is experienced on these things. I am now conciously OBE'ing... That was an easy thing for me to learn. Also i can see that my abilities are strong. But i need more practice... I am working on it... please support me...
#137
An interesting phrase from quran... Can be related to the astral projection... What do you think?


39:42 It is God that takes the souls (of men) at death; and those that die not (He takes) during their sleep: those on whom He has passed the decree of death, He keeps back (from returning to life), but the rest He sends (to their bodies) for a term appointed verily in this are Signs for those who reflect.

[39.42] Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep; then He withholds those on whom He has passed the decree of death and sends the others back till an appointed term; most surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect.

39-42. It is Allâh Who takes away the souls at the time of their death, and those that die not during their sleep. He keeps those (souls) for which He has ordained death and sends the rest for a term appointed. Verily, in this are signs for a people who think deeply.

#138
Well 2 nights ago i left my body and i was experimenting movement on the astral. But i wasnt very successful. While i was looking down i pushed myself back so i raised a little in the air. I started pushing myself backward to learn the movement in the astral. I raised a lot in the air. The world was looking green because of the trees. Then clouds blocked my sight. I pushed and pushed my self backward and finally i got out of the athmosphere. But when i saw the earth was covered with red colors i got shocked. Also i could see the sun and it was red too. This was not something i expected. So i started to panic. And returned my physical body.
#139
Welcome to Dreams! / Some Questions...
July 18, 2003, 08:03:26
Thanks for your replies.
First of all i have to tell you that i started training on these abilities. I read books about it. I read experiences. I realize that all of these things were in my life but i never cared about them. I said to myself that these are the games my subconcious mind plays with me.

So i read about the methods and started training. I used the rope method and it didnt work. so i concentrated on sleeping but i never let my self into it. Then i got in to the astral dimension. And every experience i am having now is just as the books' say.

But i need more development. i need to work on remembering and getting out of it before falling asleep.

I am very happy because on my first trial i did what i wanted to. And i realized i always do this but never remember.

In my opinion the best thing in the astral is to bring your favorite music band in front of you and watch them as they play.

I wonder if i will be able to see the future again. But i want to have control over it this time...

Anyway, Thank you guys for your generous help for taking me serious and encouraging me.
#140
Thanks for your reply.
So i identify OBE as i feel my body but my body is paralyzed. I am in a dream world that i can move, talk or touch things. But sometimes this dream world becomes my own house. Then it is a mirror of the real house. I am saying this because i had an experience that i realized that doing things in the real world while asleep doesnt change things in the real world. Here is my experience:

I played chess that night until it was 06:00 a.m. And my father woke up and went to the bathroom. I thought he would be angry to me because i was awake at that time. so i lied in my bed and started acting like i am sleeping. My father got out of the bathroom and went to the bed room. i got up from my bed and went to the bathroom. i looked at the mirror, washed my face. Then i heard my father closed our houses door and went to work. I went to my bed and lied down. Then i opened my eyes. It was 06:03 a.m. Only three minutes were passed since i lied in my bed. i got up and went to bathroom. my father was there washing his face.

This experience shows me that if this was OBE it is a mirror of the real world. if it was a projection then i created a mirror of the real world and lived in there. All i can say is everyting was so real that i got shocked when i saw my father in the bathroom and got confused for a while.

I am asking about these to identify what an OBE is. Because i had these kind of experiences all my life. Now i am 27 years old. And i want to have control over these. i am trying to learn. 2 years ago i did train my self on Zen Meditation and improved my concentration skills. That helps me a lot. In a few minutes i can move into the astral dimension. Even if someone tries to wake me up i can respond to them and turn back to where i was in the astral.

So tell me. Where sould i go in the astral or what should i concentrate on or what should i do to make sure that i am having an OBE?

Thanks for your help anyway.