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Hrm while it does try to sell you a premium account, you should just be able to click the free button and download it.  Bleh the board won't let me attach an attachment.  But at this point, I'll just link it at image shack:

I would never have guessed it 

I'm up for another try 

Zasifras, I couldn't get it myself, I've never been to API, but I love its concept and your idea for testing it was just great.

I look forward to seeing what those who actually got there saw. I wished more experiments like this one took place more often

Horacio.

Are they useful to you? Ever tried asking them for any sort of advice? Try to come up with some tests to see if they are really real. I would be very interested in knowing whether they could interact with other people the way they do with you.

Then try to come up with some sort of validation test, like having them guess where someone is inside your house or something like that.

They could come in handy if they're willing to cooperate 

hi horaciocs

Both of your experiences were probably OBEs. Especially the second experience. Sometimes medications combined with a weakened physical state will result in an unintended spontaneous OBE. It appears that this is what happened to you.
Did your brother corroborate your first experience? (He may also have out of body at the time and not known it?) If so that certainly is a noteworthy form of validation.
The two kids that you saw in the second OBE may also have been living people out of body. Maybe they could have been ghosts? Unless of course two kids live in the apartment below.

Regards  
Grey

My brother isn't interested in astral projection at all In the next morning I questioned him about it but he didn't remember a thing.

I found them to be too comparable to me and my brother for them to be just some ordinary beings living their lives. I think that's what made the experience a bit less likely to have been a OBE for me. They seemed like symbols that represented us, not totally separate entities from us.

No kids on the floor below, btw, but it was an interesting experience anyway  

Hi all! Lately I've been experiencing some progress with my metaphysical studies. I've been doing some energetic works, some mantras, I don't know which has caused my progress (probably both), but there is some, definitely.

I had two experiences, both during my night-time sleep and not directly related to my espontaneous attempts to leave the body.

One took place about a month ago. I was asleep and then suddenly found myself fallen on the side of my bed. My sight was blurry, but I could tell the objects around me. I was conscious and immediately noticed I was not in my physical body. I was either outside my body or having a lucid dream. I tried to get up once, but failed. Tried again, and managed to stand. I thought to myself "Since I'm outside my body, I should be able to go through my closet". I tried to, but once I went through its door, I was disoriented and, being afraid to get lost, I thought about standing by my bed again, and there I was. I was a bit more careful now, and tried going through my bedroom door (less likely to get me lost). I procedded through the door and headed to my mother's room. There, I saw my brother laying beside her (in reality, he was sleeping on a bed in the same room I was). He was awake, noticed me and seemed as scared as one could be. I though about going back to my body in order to tell whether all of that was true. I was back in my body, got up, talked to him and clarified all that had happened. He asked why I didn't tel him the ghost he had seen was me, I told him I had tried to, but he wouldn't listen. Then, I suddenly wake up again, now in my actual physical body. I try to memorize the situation as hard as I can and go back to sleep. The end.


The other experience took place yesterday. I had just got a flu, and woke up in the middle of the night with the sorest throat one can have. I was feeling horrible. I got up, took some medicine for the pain (local anesthesics, nothing that could induce an altered state of consciousness) and tried to go back to sleep. After some time, I woke up to find myself floating above my body. I knew I was not in my physical, I had clear perception of floating above my body. I tried rolling to the right, failed my first attempt, and then succeded. I fell to the ground. I tried to go through the floor to the floor beneath mine (I live in an apartment). I felt a light buzzing sensation as I went downwards thorugh the floor. I landed then on a room that had the exact same layout as mine (two beds, a wall with some shelves, two people, one on each bed).
As I landed, I saw two boys, one on each bed, and they were scared to death to see me. I looked at them, they weren't me and my brother (the other person who sleeps on the bed on my side), but they were some sort of look-alikes. They had about the same appearance as we did when we were very small kids (5-8 years old), but they weren't us.
Both of them were really scared, I tried to calm them down, to no avail. Then, I stood in the center of the room and tried to direct some energy onto them. I felt really strong energy sensations on my hands, and they calmed down almost instantly. One of them talked to me, addressing me as "Doctor" (I'll graduate on Medicine in 2011) and told me all was ok now. He seemed really friendly towards me. Then, the experience ended and I woke up. Again, I found it amazing I had achieved a OBE, only to wake up again in some seconds (this time on my real physical body).


How often does this double-wake up happen to you guys? I think the second experience might have been an OBE that turned into a lucid dream when I thought about going back into my body, but I can't be sure of anything at all.


Horacio.

It's about the same idea as the forearm-up method, keeping you form going into deep sleep too soon.

I wouldn't go for it myself because I can't risk ruining my sleep (got to be wide awake at college) and because I share a room with my brother, who isn't quite found of the idea 

The alarm is supposed to make you experience a larger number of trance episodes in one night by partially waking you up repeatedly. Every time you wake up, you won't be fully conscious from the start, you be very relaxed and a bit disoriented. From there, you can deepen this state as you wish and, if you fall asleep, there will be a new wake up call in 20-30 min to give you another chance to deepen your trance consciously.

So make it go off in 20-30min intervals for starters (you might fall asleep very oftenly). There's no need to say that, by using this method, you won't have any experiences last longer than the alarms' intervals, so if you look for longer experiences after mastering the 20-30min interval, then make it progressively longer until you don't need the alarm clock anymore.

It sounded like a dream-tinted near-obe  You were almost there 

I believe so. We're able to project into the RTZ (4th dimension) because we are still connected to a physical body that provides the energy required for one to exist in that dimension. Hadn't we got a body, we'd have to leech energy out of any other physical being.

Earthbound spirits are still attached to the physical somehow, and inhabit the RTZ by taking energy out of wherever it is available.

That's how I think it happens. Once there's no energy left, I think they go straight to the Astral, but I'm not so sure about that (After reading Tiny's reply)

You have plenty of them at home, Kurt, there's no need to go shopping 

The energy you mention is very likely to be what Wilhelm Reich named "orgone". Look for some of his bibliography on the internet. There are some devices (orgone generators) which suposedly generate such energy. Google them also, you'll find some interesting stuff.

It's the energy which is used in Reiki healing (See the link Reiki<->Reich??) and is what we feel when doing energy works.

Hi there.

I've been around for a while, read a lot, but never had a OBE. That never kept me from think a lot about how OBEs work, though.

I've read quite an amount of OBE reports that mentioned non-physical entities staring in awe at how some could got out of their bodies while still alive. They usually go: "there are not many who can do what you do", but the projector is doing nothing but having an OBE.

Many say that, whenever we go to sleep, we have an OBE. If that's true, then why are the non-physical entities so surprised to see us? Don't we go out every night? (After giving that some thought, they could be refering to RTZ projections. Perhaps nap-time projections usually drops us inside astral planes, making RTZ projections quite an event) What's the difference between a conscious and an unconscious projection to an outside spectator's point-of-view?

Another argument that goes against the "we all project while sleeping" argument is that if we actually projected whenever we slept, it would be incredibly boring for non-physical entities to welcome us whenever we had a nap.

What do you think about that?


Horacio.

I have it in digital media in spanish, if you're interested just let me know (perhaps you could translate it into english through some website, but I don't know how that would turn out).

Just pm me if you want it 

Horacio.

I'll keep you on my mind 

I've seen many odd posts around here, I think we're as welcoming as possible to all that brings/seeks knowledge. I think some people may refrain from posting their experiences due to shyness or to some sort of intimidation caused by the more "advanced" stories seen here. They may feel theirs isn't worth mentioning.

But many probably never had some significant experience and are lurking for the sake of curiosity / will to learn.

to know what side effects such surgery can have regarding energy work

I don't know about that, I don't know in details how energy behaves when we do energy works, others may be more helpful to you regarding that (I'm deeply interested in knowing that, by the way)

Now, when it comes down to your physical heart, just pm me and I'll be glad to talk to you 

The extra bundle in your hearts' conduction system could indeed lead to fatal arrhythmias. I suggest you have surgery. There might even be some energetic healing method to correct that, but it would be a lame idea to have you postpone cardiac surgery in order to seek energetic help.

I'm graduating on Medicine the next year, I know what arrhythmias can cause. I would go for surgery, whenever your cardiologist feels like performing it. Once performed, this surgery kills the extra bundle and the source of your arrhythmias is gone. How old are you? Have you experienced fainting, tachicardia or any other symptom?

Go for surgery, but don't keep yourself from doing energy works, these can't be underestimated. It's just that, before you find someone who can heal you (or do it yourself), you might experience some major arrhythmia that could possibly kill you. And we don't want that to happen  

Hope you get better!

I think we should advise non-believers or those who want to believe to give meditation and other practices a try. Personal experience can't be beaten.

However, it is really hard for some people. It gets to the point where they give up on trying to believe.

I, myself, haven't projected yet, but I totally agree with the ideas discussed in the forums and constantly try to project. That's specially because I have done some energy works and I have experienced it. Otherwise, I would probably have lost interest.


I think our job is to give some advice, firstly. In some cases, however, I find it's worth to give out some evidence to keep them going.

Nice going!

I've also noticed that. You can't strain yourself when doing a technique. You have to behave as if you were going to sleep, you have to be passive to all stimuli. You have to ignore what your body tries to tell you (through the five senses and through the brain's mumbling) and stick to your consciousness alone.

Hi all!

Akime, those seem to be the same feelings I have.

Kurt, have you ever experienced those during your exercises? Any idea on what to do with it? In my post Akime linked above, I believe CFT said she thought those were my tertiary centers flushing energy.

They are definitely linked to my secondary centers for I feel a strong field of energy on my hands when using hands-on healing techniques (NEW) combined with this energy rush.

Nice one!

I had never read anything on that! I'll try it out, thanks!

**Just gave it a try, it seems to have some effect indeed! I made up a sort of 'I am now in Focus Ten' phrase and scrambled it up in an organized way. Ended up with M, D, F, S and N. Then arranged it into a symbol that looks like this:
_____
|_\_/_|
|_/_\_|

It contains each of the letters above, is quite easy to remember and none of the letters is that obvious to the eye. (It's a square with one extra horizontal line and a X traced inside of it)

I just tried it and it seemed to help me focus a bit. I'll prepare myself to go to bed now and try it out again. If there's success, props go to you, personalreality!

It all comes down to greed. Money isn't bad at all when it's used as a way to trade goods, simply. It gets messy when one sees money as a way to gain power over other people.

If people were less worried about being better than the person next to them and more worried about their own development, the world would change. I think that's one of the aspects of the "transition of the ages". Putting mind over matter.

Religions baffle me that's for sure.

I went in to a Muslim church today and talked with the priest. One of his students was there next to him and we talked for about 20 minutes. He asked him if I believe in god and was surprised by my words. He was a rather open minded man but not very intelligent. I found our conversation rather enjoyable but I am still no closer to understanding how religions work...

I think of religions as an interpretation of aspects of the universe's basis of functioning people still don't understand in the physical. That's why, to most people here in this forum, religions are restraining and limited. We have a rather well-developed sense of reality here.

If we take what we experience while meditating and studying the non-physical as the real deal, we can see all that was left out of some religions and all that was created (imagined/invented) in them.

It feels like they have all been around since man began to wonder what's there to life after death and what's the real purpose of living. Some of them are quite precise, such as buddhism, while others are clearly a byproduct of someone's imagination (see the muslim paradise in wikipedia, for instance).

I'm not saying it's bad to have a religion, everyone is free to do whatever pleases them. It's just that you're bound to end up stuck in a belief system territory once you're through with the physical. (Although most of those BSTs are definitely worth visiting!! haha   )

*I have stated my opinion from my point of view to this whole situation. However, I can't take my experiences as the ultimate truth and expect the whole world to follow me. For catholics, muslims, buddhists, hindus and all other, what we take as the ultimate truth is nothing but another religion. I think that, all in all, a religion is whatever one believes there is to life beyond the five senses we're used to. There's nothing to gain in overthinking it, just take it as it suits you best.

"Sorry I was in the Astral and something tried to take over my body but everything is fine now."

hahahah  

They were, most likely, helping you! Did you feel that beam of light striking you? Despite the fear, how did you feel when you woke up?