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Well in regard to your lucid dream I really wouldn't worry about the 'reality' of it all. Some of your experiences may be super real and some may be grainy black and white images. That doesn't necessarily devalue them in any way if you got something useful from it. For example, I did a focus 15 meditation on the train to work several years ago and I got just vague impressions and seemingly intuitive information on a past life. I couldn't really say if I saw any real images or was oob but I did some research afterwards and I found this specific person existed and information about where he lived and when he died checked out. On the surface the experience could have been equated to my imagination if I scored it in reality points but the value of the information was incredible. It served to remove certain belief I hold that restricted my spiritual growth.

There are other threads here that debate what is deemed 'real' in the non-physical that may be good to look at. Also try not to judge your experiences from what you read in books where they seem to have these incredibly lucid accounts. Remember they only print their best stuff. I'm sure they have many more experiences of being partially sighted and unable to get off the bed.

In regard to your ungrounded ness in waking life I'm not sure what to say. All cliched stuff really. Get enough sleep, eat balanced. Meat is a good grounder. Especially red meat. Sometimes mince beef burgers are given to people with strong kundalini symptoms as it is a good grounder. Do you use brainwave entrainment technology? Binaural beats etc? Some of them are not great quality and can leave you ungrounded. I have an article and grounding and some techniques I can mail you when I get home. Not sure how useful they will be though

Being fully conscious is being fully grounded in the physical. When people are depressed a part of them doesn't really want to be in the physical so they are quite ungrounded and usually slightly out of phase with the physical. A simple example would be when you're depressed you may be dwelling on the past or be fearing the future. Being conscious and grounded is partly about being in the present. I wouldn't be surprised if a number of people get into OBEs as a means to escape their lives of sorts.

The outdoor activities you do are very grounding. You are very correct in thinking being fully grounded will help you with OBE practice. It makes the difference more pronounced. For example, there is another thread about simple OBE method utilising sleep deprivation. Obviously a very ungrounded way of doing things in which the veil between physical and non-physical starts to become unclear. Not a healthy way of approaching this stuff. When I teach stuff for TMI we emphasise the importance of being grounded to help you go further in your explorations. I use an elastic band as an example. when it is not flexed that is waking consciousness. When it is fully stretched that can be focus 21. If you are ungrounded the elastic band maybe semi-flexed. You may think you're back in full waking consciousness but you're not really which means the next time you go to focus 21 it is unclear for you. If you are fully grounded the boundary between waking consciousness and focus 21 is more pronounced which makes reaching it easier every time you try.

Isaywhaat,

A seemingly odd question (and maybe a little personal) but are you quite depressed in your life at the moment? This question is related to you struggling to feel fully conscious.

I think it's good you document carefully your routine when you get up. I find doing this really helps you isolate why some days it works and doesn't. For example I discovered in my own routine if I got up and let my mind drift onto topics for even a few minutes of the day ahead before meditating this would affect my mental state a lot during compared with if I just focused on my intent for the meditation as soon as I got up and up to lying back down again.

No idea but on a side note if it is photographic memory I know for sure you wouldn't make a good remote viewer. Only people who can't do it with any reliability.

I think the 'Help!' in the title was a little unnecessary. Perhaps save it for if the devil knocks on your astral door.

The book Projectiology by Waldo Viera has hundreds of methods. It's over 1000 pages

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Projectiology-Panorama-Experiences-Consciousness-Outside/dp/8586019585

http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/forums/post1537.html?hilit=the%20darkness#p1537


This may be a neg, it was interesting though.

Perhaps the children need retrieving first. Maybe then there would be no fear for it to feed off. It doesn't really sound like a place the children should be even if it wasn't there.

At the moment I don't think it has any effect on the science community if you provide even the most infallible evidence. They will just decide your methodology was flawed or you are a hoaxer.

I also don't think it matters who does the experiment. You see noted scientists try to investigate this stuff and as soon as they find out for themselves that it is real they lose all credibility in the scientific community and they just become another woo woo crackpot.

**n00bie alert.**

Visualization question, are we supposed to not move our eyes at all while doing visualization? That can be a challenge.

How do you then get your body asleep while keeping the mind awake? I figured you were supposed to try to get tired enough that your body then goes to sleep, while you some how get your mind to stay awake. I either eventually fall asleep, or stay awake for an hour or more and finally just give up!!

I personally think you are over complicating something that really doesn't need to be. After all is not the point of meditation to relinquish thought and the logical left brain. You're giving it fodder. Now you've brought attention to your eyes it has become an issue. If you just let go and not consider it then it isn't a problem.

I keep reiterating in my posts that most peoples problems on here are their mindset and the mental foundations are not properly in place because they hear about some awesome new method guaranteed to work then get annoyed when it doesn't. I'm not saying you in particular. Rather a recurring trend I notice on here.

I picked up that you said you need 'serious advice' on this. Taking this stuff too seriously will only inhibit your progress. How can you relax if you're serious? This process needs to be fun. Be child like about it, play. Beating yourself up about failure is a downward spiral. Perhaps just let go a little bit

Don't pay too much attention to what you assume is focus 10 (mind-awake-body-asleep) based on what you've read. Everyone experiences it differently. I know people who have full awareness of their body in focus 10 and are getting so much information they have to sit up and write just to make sure they get it all (all the while in focus 10).

Over on Bruce Moens Afterlife Knowledge forum is a woman called Vicky. She wrote a book documenting her spontaneous PK experiences which is really interesting. If I remember rightly when she has her child she passes on some of her abilities.

It's called Persephones journey by Vicky short. A very personal book that is a good read

Might sound corny but a lot of people melt fear with love. Maybe worth doing some heart centric meditations that open your heart space. Or perhaps hemi-sync gateway wave I track called release and recharge aimed at removing fears and the emotions associated with such fears.

Nice thread. I like to look at it this way...

There is only one thing you can say definitively about you own reality, "I am having an experience in the present moment." That is the only thing you can't argue with but you can only say it about yourself (am I wrong? Can anyone think of another?) Every other facet is debatable. For example, I don't know that anyone else truely exists. They may be my imagination as with everything else . After all, what we perceive is just electrical signals interpreted by a brain (apparently). So truly all a person can say is I am having an experience in the present moment. What that experience is I don't know.

So based on this logic reality can only be where our awareness is focused in the present moment. Whether that be watching tv, visiting the akashic records or tripping balls on magic mushrooms. All of these are having an experience in the present moment. That is where your consciousness is focused in the present. So that is real. That is reality.

Also like to quote frank Demarco who said if something effects change in me is that reality? Makes pretty much everything reality

Chillingly romantic

There are teachers following and guiding your progress...that possibility takes some getting used to.

What I find more and more is that I may go into a meditation with one method planned but I make the shift via a method that I don't think came from me but rather a helper (in the form of intuition). For example I would never have thought exiting would occur by mentally moving by non-physical hands upwards. That's it. No other part of my body. When that came to me I just did it without analysing and it worked. Similarly the notion to simply imagine falling backwards from a standing position came in an insight which no way would I logically before an exercise think yeah im gonna try that...I think it could work well.

So I think there is this constant evolution of methods you adopt with maybe a nudge from the other side.

First house I moved into with some college mates, we had a friendly young lady of a ghost from the 19th century watching over and protecting the house. Coolest place I ever lived just by the ambience she provided.

I'll have to write up that story sometime...

At TMI there is one room which has an entity residing in it. Seems to like some people more than others. I spent 2 weeks in the room on my own but didn't realize at the time. Woke up in the night and something was next to me in bed with its arm over me (like it was spooning me). Turns out it quite liked me (evidently) but it has been reputed to punch some people during exercises.

Of late I've noticed a man who waits in the hall by my bedroom. I'm ashamed to say when I first noticed him fear must have kicked in at the sight of an unknown entity in my house and i shouted. He ran into the toilet to hide from me. I then acknowledged my overreaction and realised he was more scared of me.

The following few times I saw him he was terrified of me and I have been slowly trying to show him I just want to help him. It's slow going. I have his name but he is reticent to give much else up. My intuition tell me he needs retrieving but this isn't a grab and drop in 27 run but rather something that requires a more thoughtful approach.

Parts of my house are over five hundred years old so there's a good chance he was a former resident. A while back I was lying in bed aware of a Victorian maid standing over me saying I needed more blankets as it was cold and nurturing me so there is definitely some history still present in the property.

As soon as I fall asleep I get A horrible buzzing in my head and I am sucked so fast out of my body that I think I am going to go so far that I wont get back.

Referred to as a cannonball exit

I think perhaps you've read too many stories about what you should experience in these states. Although Bob Monroe went OoB he never did it with hemi-sync so you can't really look at Bobs experiences for comparison (you shouldn't do that with anyone really).

You seem to have got hung up on this notion that to experience something you must have no body awareness. This is not strictly necessary with hemi-sync. Many people have wonderful experiences while the whole time being aware of their bodies.

A while back I wrote a post about a website of a guy who does simple meditation exercises that really help get your mindset correct for consciousness exploring. No body replied to the post so I assume it wasn't to people's taste or they are alll spiritual masters already. I personally think you would benefit a lot from it simply because a lot of what you just wrote resonates with how I was a while back. Somewhere along the line through a combination of reading too many anecdotal accounts and my own failures I got stuck in a cycle of focusing too much on the body because I was trying too hard not to focus on it.

Look for my post called 'My two cents'. I really recommend the exercises the guy called Peter Russell does. Whenever I have dry spells and get frustrated I go back to his exercises because it puts me back in the right mental frame set to do this

I totally get where you're coming from. Just take it with a pinch of salt though. My recollection of that article places emphasis on losing all body sensations in 10. I know a number of TMI facilitators who refer to focus 10 as mind awake/body 'relaxed' now because not everyone needs full loss of bodily sensations to start exploring.

In fact they tell you you can move around in these states because they are not that delicate.

I'm always intrigued by crystals and their properties. You seem to resonate particularly with this one with some interesting experiences. Can you tell me more about the crystal? All I know is it comes North Carolina.

Any thought during an exercise like "am I there yet" is only going to work against you. People experience focus 10 in many different ways and you may experience varying degrees of it. You can be in focus 10 while walking around just like you can be in it with no sensation of your physical body.

I would personally forget anything you've ever read on the subject and just trust the hemi-sync and your own experiences. If you keep reading up on how people experience you will only compare and when you don't experience what others do you will get disappointed.

Personally I would say forget everything. Just let go and trust the experience. Only my opinion though.

If I could go back to the start of my spiritual path the one thing I would do differently is not to read anecdotal evidence of people's experiences. Sure it can act as mental saturation and may even bring about a few spontaneous OBEs but it will definitely create expectation in you that you may not meet. This is wholly detrimental to your progress. Am I there yet? Shouldn't I be experiencing this? That person did? Why can't i?

Let go

If I can offer another concept for you to consider...

Have you done any Shamanic work? As I was reading your story my first thought was of spiritual emergence. Initially kundalini with the references to spontaneous energy surges but then that normally starts at the root chakra. When you mentioned demons and the horns etc.. I started to think possibly a spiritual emergency of the shamanic variety.

When I was training to be a meditation facilitator I read The concept of spiritual emergency by Christina and Stanislav Grof. I quote..."the core experience of the shamanic journey is a profound encounter with death and the subsequent rebirth. Initiatory dreams and visions include a descent into the underworld under the guidance of demons and ancestral spirits and exposure to unimaginable tortures..."

Not very nice you might think. The article goes on to talk of ascent to the higher regions as the second part if the journey. You go from death to rebirth

But just to be clear - this is ultimately supposed to be a positive experience just like how kundalini rising can be unpleasant initially but ultimately rewarding. Were the songs you heard of a tribal/shamanic nature?

If this resonates with how you perceived your experience I can always forward you the article

Obviously this is just one possibly among many

She is called Shay St John

While it's important for people to experience reality personally before forming conclusions... I would just like to say that my entire beef (now) with the Focus models we have is that experience is personal and you simply can't have another person's experience.  This knowledge (which as far as I'm concerned, is FACT) kinda blows a huge hole in any Focus model... or any model that anyone comes up with, including my own.

For myself, the Focus models were a great help in providing me with a "guide"... it's just important to realize that a guide isn't rule, and the guide, in this case, doesn't really exist either.  I've since moved past needing them since they simply don't fit what I have experienced in the non-physical.

The moral of the story here is don't get hung up on labels.  Eventually, you need to progress past using other people's labels... or you will just get yourself stuck.

And you are exactly right. They serve as an anchor point to help you initially to reach certain states. They are the training wheels until you are ready to explore more