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That's sounds great, I fly any opportunity possible it seems like haha

A few nights ago when I was trying to project I fell asleep then out of nowhere felt and saw myself being sucked through a wormhole then I was just in a cloudly scenario flying, and woke up moments after

My dreams every night seem to just try and make me become lucid by noticing something random that's going on, but even when I notice somethings outta place it doesn't click that it could be a dream, and when I try to project I accidentally slip into a dream before I can finish separating

Great website, just bookmarked it 

What a pity, and I explained it so delicately to him. Well then...sounds like it'll take him a long, long time  

Good luck


kind regards,

Paul

were you talking about me?

*edit* i deleted what i orginally posted

pretty much i was trying to project and i got deep into the transe state and dosed off into a dream. the dream was me entering an elevator with 2 other men and me offering to shake their hand, they shook my hand then directly after one of them punched me sending me to the floor in a state of shock? and instantly snapping me back to waking up.

I mean, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to find them. I just don't know what it would be like? You'd have to have your memories still. And what about family members? Let alone all blood relatives

<removed link due to it containing copyrighted material> ~Xanth


I may give it a shot, so their just series of binural beats?

Can you find Jesus in the astral? Serious question

I was serious.   You know how people get on pain killers to help with a pain but after some time their tolerance for that pill gets really high and the drug doesn't help anymore.  I was thinking that perhaps this gateway.. which is funny cause of the whole gateway drug stigma....   What if you buy this thing and it only works a couple times because you need more after you've reached a certain level?

I think it's best to do everything the natural way. IMO.

I remember seeing a post by a user on this site saying he used weed to loosen his body, which would begin to loosen your energy body, in all senses that would work would it Not? Regardless of anyones views here on weed.

And when that user said that, everyone said using any mind altering drugs would be considered bad, but I don't understand how weed(which is a plant and natural in certain form) wouldn't be good For you, but this gateway thing is perfectly fine

It makes no sense

I see, it's just methods like that make me question am I doing anything at all right, I'm sure once I get experienced I'll have my own prefered way. But not ATM.

Anyone that can answer

I just don't get it, I thought your not supposed to have ANY thoughts of your physical body at all. Why are you saying focus on one part at a time to get them To fully relax, when couldn't you just lay there and be aware of what's going on and that eventually happen?

Maybe you could try to get into the habit of asking yourself if you're dreaming before you make projection attempts. If it's habitual in the waking you might start to ask the question in the dreams as well.

thats a good idea, im going to try that.

I guess I must be close because my dreams sure do want me to realize I'm dreaming atleast, I just don't know why I cant

Because you're not keeping your mind active enough, yes.

I don't know how I can keep it active than I already am! Didn't it kind of have the steps in franks guide of focus of how far you are? I thought if you start to see flashing lights then that's pretty close. But then what about the constant dreams that I slip into that are pretty much hinting at me, every night

I just don't get why I keep slipping into dreams, am I not staying aware long enough? And ive been doing the techniques to become lucidly aware in dreams For about a month now, and they've been working because I get atleast 1 lucid dream a week. Why can't I become lucid in these dreams that I slip into anyways? It's like I'm losing at both things lol

Forgive me if i spelled Hypnagogic wrong

Ok so heres been my schedule literally the past 2-3 weeks of my life, I work 6-11 every other day, stay up and hang out with my friends and do whatever till about 3 or so, still dont feel tired so i game till about 5 or 6 in the morning. I sleep everyday until about 3 or 4 PM(not a good schedule but i plan to change it after the christmas break)

From 5AM until whenever i decide to start my day, i will wake up from sleep about 2-3 times every day unintentionally. At those times when i wake up i decide to try and practice projecting. Theres never been a time yet where ive woken up about 2-3 hours after falling asleep, only really later hours.

EVERY TIME ive practiced i will get deep into the hypnagogic state, ill begin to see swirls of colors going in my vision, flashing lights, and all sorts of other things. i can begin to feel my body either start to sink or get energy going. Once i feel this i start saying "im out of my body 1" and exhale and keep doing that until about 100 or more.

But for some reason, it seems like at least, ill ALWAYS slip into a dream. And the dream ALWAYS seems to to be just trying to get my attention every time for me to realize that im just actually "dreaming". For instance this is just what happened moments ago before i woke up to start my day. I dreamed that i was laying on my bed trying to project and i started to float up, but for some reason it didnt register that i was dreaming.

This is really annoying because like i said, ill have about 2-3 dreams a day of me either trying to project in the "dream" or im doing something completely out of the ordinary to where i should realize "hey im dreaming!" and ive had about 1 lucid dream a week now, so why cant i keep having them when ive been practicing to actually induce one.

So would this be considered an etheric projection, since you said you opened your eyes and saw yourself flying around your room?(your projection reflected back at you?)

Not necessarily. At that point I had just realized that my etheric body was floating in and out of my body. I started to feel my etheric arms float up etc.
It wasn't until my eyelids started to open and I saw that my room was completely lit up through the crack in my eyelids that I realized I was ready. I knew that my room was completely dark when I went to sleep so instinctively I knew that it was the right time to project.

I hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more questions

-Firmitas

oh i see, ive just never had a full sucessfuly projection from start-finish before.

you dont literally open your physical eyes, but your astral right

So just a question, you opened your eyes when you felt you were half in/out of your body? Then you realized you were in the astral?

Sounds like a spirit

When you become Lucid Aware, you then need to become Astrally Aware.

I do it like this: http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/09/01/how-i-convert-a-lucid-dream-into-an-astral-projection/

After that, and I haven't exactly been consciously successful with this yet... but you have to have a firm control on your thoughts and emotions, to stop them from fueling the Focus 2 oC scene that you currently find yourself in.  Then, just wait as the scene around you fades away, revealing Focus 3 oC.

The trick here is that if you succumb to your thoughts and emotions while in Focus 3 oC, you'll quickly drop back into a Focus 2 oC experience.

So if you fall back into a f2 environment after being in F3, do you lose your awareness lucidly to all over again?

So I have a question, when you become lucid in a dream, and you ask to experience your higher self, do you automatically change your focus level to F3?

Congrats dude!  
That's awesome.

Although, I'm not sure if the rubbing hands thing came from me... I'm more the "spinning around like a top" guy and the "look at hands and they melt" guy.

But all-in-all... awesome experience.  

Oh i know it didnt come from you, but you gave me a few links with multiple techniques on how to do so in my last thread! and i was rubbing and looking at my hands both, so i dont know which one worked more haha

After i had my very first few non physical experiences(with them being pretty short) i wanted to create a goal to sustain my lucid experience, and that was when i became lucid in a scenario, i would fly to my towns football stadium. Because every one of my lucid experiences were about a minute long if that. Well that happend to me last night!


I was on the way to work and I got into the elevator to take me to the floor I needed to go on, I work in a office building just to let everyone know. For some reason it struck me that i was dreaming so I instantly started saying "awareness now" and "clarity now" back and forth for the moments I was on the elevator. It didnt strike me until i said those, that there was a person on the elevator with me. I said "I want to go to the top floor"(I actually work on the 2nd floor) and in response the guy pressed the button and said "what you see is what you get"" and kind of laughed? which I laughed for a second to. I remember having problems sustaining my dreams so I recalled that rubbing your hands helps a lot and looking at your hands(thanks Xanth) which i did that for several seconds. I got to the top floor and walked out to see 2 big doors in the distance that led directly to the roof of the building, (this is where my other test happened and worked to!) In my past experiences ive tried to walk through walls about 2 times and failed, well this time i was running to the doors and instantly went through them. It felt so good that i actually walked through a door this time, I ended up being outside on this roof, and directly across about a block away was the football stadium (my work and the football stadium are about 7 blocks away)

Once I realized I achieved my goal during this experience I felt I was on the right track finally, I flew around the stadium for several minutes in happiness.