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quote:Originally posted by Eric g
If you want an answer to that question you'd have to go to another forum... the reptillian channelers are not posting here anymore

Yes the Oracle site they moved to because some of us here were too critical or skeptical of what they were saying. But i just looked at that site and there seem to be quite a few on those boards also that are uneasy with the channeling. Perhaps they are being persecuted or something because the rest of us are possessed by demons and they are the Bringers of the Dawn? Here's one thread from the other site;

http://www.spiritualoracle.com/showthread.php?t=2570
an example of a post:

"I am thankful that others have began to speak up about this issue, silence is consent and I for one do not want to give my consent to the alien channellers on this site. Thanks for you willingness to be brave and speak up."

Go ahead and read for yourself.

While you're at it, read this thread if you are thinking of inviting the Zeta into your aura:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13319

quote:Originally posted by boydster
Makes sense to me....

[] Ram Ram

Thinking of contacting the Zetas with your pendulum? then read this:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13319

Please read this:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13319

oh and p.s. In the past i have been reluctant to do shielding work such as Middle Pillar etc because, while it would stop most intrusions, it might also stop whatever is in my aura from getting out as i demanded. Now i'm taking a different approach altogether and actively trying to fully seal my aura so it/they can't escape when i come to eat it/them. [][] And they know it too. Will they get out while they have the chance or will i get to eat them? Only time will tell. [8D]

p.p.s. I have made a pretty strong connection with my Higher Self recently which is probably helping matters enormously. I'm still uncertain if my draining this things energy is what led to my experience the day after that i recount in the thread about Alien Hand Syndrome and auto-writing. But the hands moving experience also led me to finding and using the Holy Breath Visualization which actually acted almost like a self-exorcism (i could feel some dark energy being expelled on my outbreath and being dissolved/converted.)

Excellent Mystic, i forgot all about Shiva's blue neck!

Bunny: LOL! Whatever it was was eating me and it serves it right for ignoring my many warnings and demands to get out of my aura. Besides, all i did was attempt to take away the energy it was using to remain manifested around me. It's very unlikely i would be able to eat or destroy an actual human spirit.

It reminds me of a story i once heard about this guy who had a problem with rats. So one day he caught one alive, killed it so the others could hear it squeel, and ate it. His rat problem diminished incredably after that. [][]

quote:Originally posted by SomeBloke
Trust my luck to get an incubus that's crap in bed. []

LOL! Thanks for the chuckle.

Well, i did have the moving hands and mild finger twitches about a day after this that i mentioned in the other thread on auto-writing. But they have gone now and until i manage to do this again i won't know if that is what caused it. I don't think it did. I basically just looked at it as a lump of energy and visualized biting, sucking and breaking it apart/dissolving it.

I guess i'm not recommending it, just reporting in so-to-speak. []

Here's the relevant short chapter from Moonchild on "The Thing in the Garden." Not exactly like my experience of course but similar principles in a way.

http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/moonchild/mc05.html

Aye, them were the days. Way back then i had a glass collecting job just on a Friday nights at my local studenty type Nightclub. Drinking Newcastle Brown and ogling the girls while picking up the mess and watching folks have fun. Happy Sigh. Good memories. [8D]

Hey dude was always played too. Kula Shaker played one night at this club i worked but i never got to see them.

Hey Dude-

All I have is all I need enough for love but not for greed yeah. I was younger once this guy came to me told me about all the honey out there.
He said "Honey gold jewels money women wine cars that shine." I don't know what he was talking about but I think I had an idea.

He said "Smell the rose, sweet sweet rose, catch the sun find where it grows. Smell the rose, the sweet sweet rose that grows on castle walls in heaven. In heaven yeah."

Well if it feels like summer you're catching the sun, and I'm catching the moment you fall,
If it tastes like honey don't swallow it all, don't wait for the moment to come- and catch the sun.

Hey dude don't lean on me man, Cause I'm losing my direction and I can't understand, no no
Hey dude well I do what I can But you treat me like a woman when I feel like a man.

I was crossing the city one day, everybody was flashing by me Like images of tombstones, images of tombstones, On a Friday night I've seen everybody looking for their little bit of honey
To alleviate the pain, to alleviate the pain.

Well if it feels like summer don't burn in the sun, don't wait for the evening to fall, If it tastes like honey don't swallow it all, don't wait for the moment to come- and catch the sun.
No, no, n no, n no, no, etc.
when I feel like a man! Hey dude, etc...

p.s. I also find that chanting/singing in Sanskrit makes it easier to continue do other things without having to concentrate on the lyrics too much because my main language is English. Just reading their meaning will help; i don't find i need to concentrate on the meaning of the words while i'm chanting.

I also think this may be beneficial as it might be an easier way of communicating with the Unconscious (read about A O Spare's sigil technique or Chaos Magick ). Ever had a song in your head and cant stop singing it without realizing? []

quote:Originally posted by runlola




LOL!!! you ate it!!!

Heh [8D][] Seriously, it just seemed like a natural thing to do. It's really not unusual for Adepts to destroy thoughtforms etc by dissolving its energy structure. I think Dion Fortune mentions one of these techniques in her Psychic Self-Defense book. Crowley describes something similar in his novel "Moonchild" (maybe i'll look these references up and quote from them, they're both available free online).

I've a couple more to get yet. When the above happened i could sense at least one other somewhere on me but couldn't quite get to it for some reason. They feel like they are about an inch or two away from the skin but it's hard to be sure. Certainly some kind of parasite anyway. To feel it moving around in my hand was an amazing experience. It felt as solid as anything physical might. I didn't actually get to see it but can kind of get a mental picture of it just from the tactile senses.

I also think that with time and practice it would be possible to check out other peoples energy body for these parasites and remove them.

quote:Originally posted by runlola





Do you think Satan is the son of God like Jesus?

I think Satan (literally meaning: Adversary) is a mythological character representing some kind of force in an ancient religious text that was not meant to be taken literally.

quote:Originally posted by runlola




WHOA, you are the one that started the bible quoting not me.
I don't believe in the bible. [)]

Yes but i quoted something that is common sense advice rather than mythological beliefs. []

quote:
Wouldn't a negative angel really be a demon? [}:)]

I don't think it is wise to associate negativity with Angels.

quote:
What about Satan?

What about it? According to the book of Job, Satan is a son of God who obeys God's commands.

Angel means messenger or annointed  of god. Are there really evil 'messengers of god'? Lets not take the Bible literally and then try to apply it to New Age philosophy ok? Otherwise we must admit the Earth is not round, PI equals 3 rather than 3.1415927 or that God enjoys having animals brutally killed and sacrificed to him or that anyone working on the Sabbath should be killed etc etc etc.

You won't find a "Negative" Angel/Messenger of God in most other belief-systems ( http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_31.htm#4 ). Those who believe in this would maybe find it helpful to study Hinduism or Buddhism. Strangely, there are no negative Buddhas.

And two of the above quotes from the Bible say "evil spirits" rather than Angels. According to most Kabbalists Angels are not negative, only the Qlippoth(negs) are. Anyone who believes an Angel would rebel against God knows nothing about Angels.

Negative Angels?? This man is deluded and a servant of Mammon.

Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Do you realize you just quoted yourself? []  I'm sorry but that tickled me

Yes i know i was quoting myself. I did it because i wanted to comment on what i said.

quote:
There comes a time in a persons life when they need to embrace what ever lesson(s) they'd learned while in times of trauma.

OK, please could you give examples of what young children may be able to learn from being sexually abused? Are you suggesting that children somehow spiritualy choose to be abused so as to learn some kind of lesson? After all, we create our own reality right?

This is an interesting coincidence because i have been doing research on warts and their possible connection to being neg attachments (i'll post about it soon) and came across a story about this guy. I don't agree with some of "The Kabbalah Center" stuff (although i generally agree with what was originally posted in this thread) but found it interesting that Madonna says the "Kabbalah Water" he sells healed her husbands verruca. Heres the story:

http://tinyurl.com/ypv3y

WHY DO STARS PUT THEIR FAITH IN KABBALAH? May 17 2004




By Jane Simon

 
IT is the trendiest faith around, endorsed by superstars like Madonna, Demi Moore and Britney Spears. As I take my first lesson in Kabbalah, I begin to understand why.

"By the fourth class you will learn to see into the future," my teacher announces confidently.

I'm in a meeting room in a smart square off Oxford Street for an introductory session in the ancient branch of Jewish mysticism which is enjoying a star-struck resurgence.

From the offset it is easy to see why so many celebrities are attracted to Kabbalah, as I'm promised money, sexual energy, passion and beauty - all for £180.

Madonna is Kabbalah's most famous devotee; other celebrity students include Elizabeth Taylor, Jerry Hall, Winona Ryder, Jeff Goldblum, Courtney Love and Roseanne Barr.

Now it looks as if Victoria Beckham has become a convert after being spotted wearing a red string knotted around her wrist - a Kabbalah amulet to ward off the "evil eye".

As well as being able to see the future, other perks of becoming a believer are "money, good relationships, love and happiness," claims my teacher, Rabbi Chaim Solomon.

As if more reasons were needed, Kabbalists say the "positive flow of energy" can stop the ageing process. More bizarrely, they believe negative energy can be absorbed by swinging a chicken above the head.

The 10-week course will, claims Rabbi Solomon, teach me to tune myself like a TV set to become a better receiver of "rays of light", the infinite joy for which we're all searching for and, by no coincidence, the name of Madonna's 1998 album.

Kabbalah, described as "a divine system of wisdom", is believed to have been passed by God to Abraham and to Moses.

Rabbi Solomon describes it as the spiritual laws of creation, "like the DNA of the cosmos", but there's nothing very mystical or esoteric about Rabbi Solomon's presentation on his flip-chart.

The word Kabbalah is Hebrew for "receive" and it's this "gimme gimme" aspect that he decides to focus on: "The creator wants you to have everything you want."

Later, browsing the Kabbalah Centre's online store, it's the same story. One book, The 72 Names Of God, promises that by meditating on the appropriate name, you'll be able to "bring more money into your life, ignite sexual energy and passion, meet your true soulmate and radiate beauty to all who see you."

Followers are encouraged to pamper themselves and pursue their own happiness - which may explain why it has attracted so many self-obsessed celebrities.

Even the understanding of the Zohar, the 12th-century manuscript on which modern Kabbalah teaching is based, is surprisingly user-friendly. Rabbis at the Kabbalah Centre insist the Zohar - said to be too complicated for the most eminent scholars - can be "read" merely by running your hands over the text.

Which probably explains why its "unfathomable complexities" have become fully accessible to the likes of Britney Spears, who has also been seen sporting a Kabbalistic red-string wrist band.

"It's a bigger picture even than the Bible," she explained. "It's so interesting to me because I've never read stuff like this before." At the London Kabbalah Centre you can buy a red string bracelet like Britney's for £27. Also on offer is a "blessed, restoring" face cream at £78.

For £2.80 you can buy a small bottle of Kabbalah water, personally blessed by the movement's leader, Phillip Berg, and said to possess "centuries of wisdom in every drop".

The spring water has supposedly been transformed by a process called Quantum Resonance Technology, making it a "spiritual tool". Madonna claims the water cured husband Guy's verrucas.

Also on sale is Madonna's book The English Roses (proceeds donated to the Kabbalah Centre's Spirituality For Kids Foundation). Her latest book, Mr Peabody, based on an ancient Kabbalah story, nestles alongside Kabbalah texts, videos and DVDs.

You might expect London's Jewish community to be thrilled that their ancient wisdom is now being marketed to the general public: Jews and non-Jews, pop stars and nobodies alike.

Nothing, however, could be further from the truth.

Rabbi Barry Marcus, a member of the Chief Rabbi's cabinet and minister at the Central London Synagogue, says: "There's not a single Rabbinic authority on this planet who endorses what they're doing; the condemnation of them is universal."

He points out that the Zohar - on sale at the Kabbalah Centre for £289 - can be bought from any religious bookshop for around £35.

But Rabbi Marcus isn't surprised Kabbalah has so many celebrity followers. "If I'm being kind, I'll say that most of them have probably done well in their field and have everything that money can buy.

But they don't have the one thing money can't buy and that's inner peace, serenity and stability. So they go searching and they can afford to.

"But if I'm being unkind, I'd say that the celebrities I've come into contact with are the most insecure people I've ever met in my life."

And what of the spiritual properties of the Kabbalah Centre's magic red string?

Rabbi Marcus snorts. "I can get you the same string in John Lewis for 20p," he says.

POSH THE KABBALIST

Madonna is known to Kabbalists as Esther. Posh might also adopt a biblical name - Rebecca, maybe?

POSH THE KABBALIST

She would have to drink only Kabbalah water blessed by the movement's founder Phillip Berg: £2.80 a bottle.

POSH THE KABBALIST

She would pay 10 per cent of her earnings to the religion - £100,000 a year, or £1m if she ropes David in.

quote:Originally posted by McArthur
There is evidence to suggest, as much as i don't like saying this, that some abuse victims turn out to be abusers themselves.

I want to stress here that in a large majority of cases this may not be true, but that it does happen. The reason i didn't like saying it is because abuse victims have already suffered enough without being somehow connected to further abuse in some psychological circles. It's a sensitive subject.

One of the reasons i have been led to research this is because i have come into contact with so many abuse victims it is beyond coincidental. I am not a psychologist or social worker, but i seem to meet friends both online and off who eventually tell me about their childhood abuse. One particular young woman had never told anybody until telling me.

Amongst the ones i have met there does seem to be various kinds of neg interference (i rarely tell them about my interest in this area of metaphysics though, so as not to scare them.) One of these abuse victims, after telling me about what happened, had a very disturbing dream where her brother-in-law (the abuser) appeared to her in a dream/nightmare threatening her and saying "You shouldn't have told anyone" etc. Now this could be a normal psychological reaction (i told her at the time that unless she was seeing a proper therapist then it might be best we do not muddy the waters and talk too in-depth about it) but she has also had neg-related activity that i recognise. i.e. She also was laying in bed at another time and could feel her mattress moving as though there was someone in bed with her. And her daughter was abused by her babysitters' husband when she was very young with the abuser dying of a heart attack a few weeks after they found out. Plus her daughter was raped again when she was older. This daughter also had cervical cancer. Her husband died young of heart problems. All of which i believe to be related to a neg/negs hanging around this household.

Another abuse victim i know of has had 'ghost' activity in her house with more than one person seeing the ghosts there. As well as pains in legs and other areas that seem to ease when she uses her hot tub (a shower or hot tub being one of the main ways of stopping a neg attack.)

Yet another friend, who was raped when he was nine and also mentally abused by his mother from a young age also seems to have an attached neg causing him to be a kind of psychic vampire without him even knowing, amongst other things.

I am also wondering about how it is suggested that negs somehow feed from the energy given off by freshly spilt blood because a couple of these abuse victims have scars from where they have cut their wrists on numerous occasions.

I'll add more when i think of it. Oh! There is an interesting account of how a modern magician named Lon Milo DuQuette helps to exorcise a neg from a child abuse victim in his book "My Life with the Spirits". I no longer have the book or i would type it out, i'll see if i can find it online.

quote:Originally posted by James S

Since I realised that most "negs" I encountered were simply my own negative emotions being reflected back at me,

Hi James, what about the zeta's, do you think they are/were negs or your own negative emotions?

Btw the Golden Dawn advice to anyone visiting someone who is ill or depressed was to do this ritual just before the visit.

Something i forgot to mention, that i use occasionally, is another Golden Dawn technique added onto this. It is a combination of the 4-fold breath and the Tetragrammaton (Four letter name of God, YHVH.) While doing the Circulation of the Body of Light (up back, down front, up right, down left etc.) you mentally intone the words Yod, Heh, Vav, Heh.

i.e. While inhaling and drawing light up ones back from feet/Malkuth (which takes 4 seconds) mentally intone Yod. Hold breath and concentration at Kether/Crown chakra for 4 seconds while mentally intoning Heh. While exhaling from Kether/Crown chakra down to feet/Malkuth for 4 seconds intone Vav. Hold breath out at feet/Malkuth for 4 seconds while intoning Heh. Do this for as long as you choose then move onto doing it up right side, pause at top, down left, pause at bottom, using same 4-fold breath and Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh etc.

Not only are you fortifying your aura with Light but also with the Tetragrammaton/Name of God.

A good pronunciation guide may be found here: http://www.hermetic.com/heidrick/hebrew_pronounce.html

Stephen, thankyou for the link. I think i'm going to buy a few beers before reading anymore- its pretty disturbing stuff.

Please note: My mentioning of America/Americans was an attempt to show the flawed logic and does not necessarily reflect my real views on the subject.

In a way, it would seem a case could be made for Witches/Wiccans/Satanists being child abusers.

I think i'll start a new thread shortly on the neg connection to child abuse.

Also, if you look at the info on here: http://www.davidicke.net/religiousfrauds/menu.html

The large majority of scandals and accusations seem to be coming from America. Even the main cults such as Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons and Scientology are made in America.

quote:Originally posted by Silver Incubus

Well i think that it is rediculous to think that someone would go through all that training and devote their life to a religion 'just' to get to the children. I am pretty damn sure that most were not pedophiles before, but they just eventually cracked from the pressure.

Allow me to use similar logic: In the large majority of child abuse cases involving priests that i have read about, it has been in America. Therefore 'i am pretty damn sure' that being American might be a factor in whether someone becomes a child abuser.

The only ones not American i can find on this list are from Canada:
http://www.davidicke.net/religiousfrauds/christianity/christianpedofile2.html

Or, the only cases of child incest i have ever come across have been Americans. Therefore being American is probably a factor in whether someone sexually abuses their own child. (This is so pervasive that there are even jokes about country folk living in the hills called "Hicks" (did i get that right?).

(No offense intended to Americans.)

Might it not be suggested that if my suspicion that child abuse is connected to neg interference is correct, that negs would choose to attempt to influence those with access to children? There have been scandals of child abuse at childrens homes and nurseries.