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... there is still a difference between understanding that "you are that source" and being able to work with this understanding.

Okay well it is likely a topic on its own, but I am prepared to give examples of working with the understanding - if you are free to accompany me down that path, perhaps we can take a walk together?

Essentially though, there is no 'difference' (from my own perspective) and am I safe to assume that you are speaking from your own experience that your own understanding that 'you are the source' is different from you 'working with this understanding'?

The practical measurement is standing on the fact that the "relationship" (as you call it) builds up certain results that are objectively there.

Let see if I can make you a methapor whereby you can understand the thing.
Consider a light-bulb. Now consider this light-bulb being covered so much in soot (or whatever you want) that the light passes no more. Naturally the light-bulb is still a light-bulb, yet for all practical and functional purposes it is not a light-bulb anymore on the fact that it is like it is broken (so in functional terms the light-bulb doesn't conform to a light-bulb anymore).

If you know that the problem of the light-bulb is just that it is covered on soot and not that it is effectively broken is this understanding making you, by itself, in a better position than a person thinking the light-bulb is broken? Naturally not; the only advantage it gives it is on the fact that this understanding can motivate yourself on removing the soot, if you are able to, but it is just an indirect advantage; this understanding by itself will not make the light-bulb function just because you know it.

The same is for you and your source. You are that source and yet at the same time you aren't, because for a normal individual that source is like covered by soot in the methaphor of the light-bulb; until you don't remove that soot the light-bulb (e.g. the source) will not have its practical function, no matter if it is there and you already are that. As for knowing you are that source vs. not knowing it, this understanding by itself is not enough to be able to remove the soot, it is just an understanding that there's a problem, nothing more. You are in no better position than one not knowing it at all until you cannot remove the soot.

Ah - perhaps I have misinterpreted your approach here, and you mine?  Your analogy of the soot covered light bulb is what I was referring to in regard to indifference, self identification (I am human body - gender, race, religion, political alignment etc), ignorance, or belief in misrepresentation, or understanding 'love' as having an opposite, such as 'hate'.

It is not that 'I am that source yet at the same time I am not' so much as I am Source within the framework of an individual experience and that the individual experience can and does function interdependently from that awareness, realization and alignment.
There is that natural process of understanding which is part of the bridging which occurs as the realization increases in ones awareness and the focus shifts, but it is a tool which will eventually be discarded, having served its purpose.

It is not that the Source wishes for us all to 'become what it is' but to fully embrace what it is doing within the framework of our own individuality.  There is a belief that we are destined to 'return' to the source, as if somehow that source is elsewhere - in some state of pure unchanged 'light' or attitude...like nirvana and such.  

In the sense I am saying "We Are Source"  "You Are Source"  "I Am Source" it is to do with the realization that whatever environment we are within, We are The Source within that environment.

If we are unaware of this, it does not stop us being 'something' but like that sooty light-bulb, we are not functional within that environment to the degree we are able to be.

We are not the light-bulb, nor the light, nor the wiring, nor the power generator, nor the dam/nuclear reactor, nor the water/sun, nor the galaxy, nor the non physical reality etc etc....these are environments.  Source can experience being light, sound, star, planet,water, insect, tree, human, etc but it is none of these 'things' or even 'non things'.

The link is always present - realizing and alignment is the 'forming' - not of the link, but the relationship.


The relationship is not something measured for practicality from an observers perspective but from the participators perspective and the value is in that, not how you, a group or a world might decide as to 'what is practical'.

You appear to be teaching that no matter what you do, you cannot be what you are. 



There are many birds that do not fly, but they are birds no less right?

http://www.kiwisource.co.nz/images/ks_kiwi.jpg

Now with birds, a bird does not go around thinking 'I am a bird' - it just is, and does what it does.

Humans are different, and when ignorant or indifferent or misinformed as to their source they behave within the framework of such thinking/belief.

But still, they tend to say "I am a human" - even those who cannot walk, or speak, or hear or see...that is their main identity and there is no need or concern with identifying with being something other than 'human' and aligning with that belief.

The Source is not human, but it is that which is experiencing being human and knows this intimately.  The aligning comes when the individual begins and continues to align with that understanding..."I am Source having an individual experience as a human being" - where that unfolds in a linear manner within the framework of a life time on this planet for you it will break you free from the former identity and reveal to you your true self and in this sense you are both the ever always has existed and the new creation which ever always will exist and this due to the fact that part of the human experience involves amnesia and thus an opportunity of rediscovery as to your true self (The Source) which is veiled by such things as ignorance, misinformation, human god concepts, indifference etc.

Loving and Living that love and forgiving the misleading are prerequisite to accessing The Source and aligning through realization.  Whoever told you otherwise has an agenda to mislead, and whoever tells me otherwise is part of that agenda.

Belief that you cannot access and align, is the surest way not to.  Attempting to convince others is like spreading a virus.

   

I think the answer to that is an astounding yes. It's my belief that I encounter the thought forms of others all the time. IMO, there are certain aspects about the NPR that we can't change no matter what we believe. However, we can always change our belief or perceptions of it.

I'm starting to believe that there is only the NPR and it depends on our current form that interfaces us to perceive our current existence as physical. In other words, other entities can experience our reality but it isn't physical to them because they are not interfaced to interact here in that manner.
   

If we can visit their Realm, it's only fair that they can visit ours as well! 

Like I was thinking the other day that how we watch drama through television, perhaps some entities regard our existence the same way.

I've been waiting to hear that comment IAB.
Our realm is but one WE are phase locked (electronic term) into at present. Remove our reference frequency and we're free.
The light begins to shine...

Why is it that this realm we are in is regarded as a kind of prison?  Obviously it is run as one, but that is just the nature of the beast here on this (prison) planet...and does not signify that the whole universe is thus a prison.

I have seen it said that there are 'lower' aspects to the Astral which are full of all sorts of demonic types....most commonly referred to as 'lower energy entities'

In another thread there is talk about constructs created by intent and thought.

In this thread it is said that there are only 'evil' people - doing stuff to each other - how does this not have some affect in the Astral/non physical?

Others I have read speak about wars going on.

Does not every one have some influence on the NPR?

If you are a tricky swift tongued con artist living off the fears and hopes of others, can you not enjoy the same practice in NPR?

Are there not aspects of NPR which exist independently of your beliefs and  expectations?

To "speak" with that source you need a special vocabulary, and that vocabulary is the framework. Nobody can access that directly, it's impossible factually and anyway you always filter that experience within your framework (so if you have a working framework the info you get can be used, elsewhere it is useless or partial). In psychology this is called the "subjective synthesis" which you can read about in Assagioli, Karen Horney, William James, or A.A. Brill and that was first introduced by people as Freud and Jung.

Buddha and Buddhism is usually considered as a way to access that source directly, but that's a total incorrect assumption. Buddha used a framework to access that source (he had a system of beliefs and a complete way or interaction), as everybody of those "sages" did.

We are that source. 

Generally it seems to either be ignored or misrepresented.  There is no special vocabulary - it is just an activity of Love...which could be seen as 'special' in the sense that it is often ignored or misrepresented to the point where it is a rare thing for an individual to realize and align with.

...dreamingod...


Ah okay so we are on the same page to that degree.

GOD definitions are likely as not quite faulty due to the human element - the drama as you say.   There is no place GOD cannot be.  The term GOD has so many layers of historical dross that I personally find the term 'Consciousness' more applicable, but even that is subject to distortions based on individual interpretation of what consciousness is exactly - for sure the human drama is an aspect of consciousness reacting to an environment, but the consciousness has been distorted to think certain ways which prohibits full awareness...it is quite an understandable predicament...so deep into the rabbit hole that Consciousness fragments itself into particles of experience, through which it forgets itself, being occupied with the distraction of the said drama.

The Source is nonetheless occupied in this reality through the connections of those individual experiences and as The Whole, is more comfortable with this environment than are its parts...waking up is always a confusing 'time' regardless of the nature of the environment - such are the capable illusions of beginnings - designed for that purpose...rest assured Source is more awake than we are as individuals and perhaps at first trust or even faith are prerequisite...we simple cannot as individuals 'see' the whole picture but there is a whole picture to see, and Source sees it clearly.

All this is real.  Ego didn't persuade me - Source did.  Sure, the human drama is real too, but where it is not real is that it is a reaction to something thought of as real but is not.  Like conspiracies...belief has that power, but the power it does not have is to enforce its imaginings on you without your express permission.  The human drama is but a tiny thing which is hugely distracting for the majority of individuals but for what it is worth, it serves a purpose - something non definable...unnoticed...until one steps outside of it and aligns with that which operates outside of and regardless of said drama.

The drama itself is attractive for its stories, but its stories are inferior to the real story going on...inconsequential.  The attraction can be very compelling, seductive, addictive, but let us not confuse the drama with The Story.
 
That is Truth.

Absolutely.


Reincarnation?  Another belief which feeds the drama...it is about time we stopped getting involved with things which make us forget ourselves if indeed such things cannot help us to also remember.  There is much to be said for the joy of remembering...I had the thought recently that Source enjoys creating new aspects of itself in order to share that joy - perhaps even enjoys seeing itself as a brand new thing...from both the perspective of creator and created, like someone who has known for uncountable ages being realized by someone who is fairly new to the whole experience of existence...and eventually becoming friends...The One no more or less real than The Other...The One who knows and waits for the realization in The Other and the mutual joy of the occasion...one by one...and so did my recent thought create this 'One' or has it always ever been for me to discover?

Is such a question even necessary?

Or is the Mutual Joy the real purpose of the experience...   and from there into eternity...

Please re-read my posts again within this thread, and you will find that
you have taken my words out of context.

Which words did I take out of context?

In relation to the thread subject and opening post, it appears you are suggesting that "Constructs, Thought Forms, Servitors and other artificial beings" are 'clothes' you put on as GOD (the metaphor) but in the context of the OP it seems that what was being suggested is that we (in the clothing of human form) create these things, which would imply that GOD does this kind of thing in whatever form or non form IT inhabits, and since we all come from the same source, we do the same as that source...we are that source doing these things, but the confusion is that we are deceived by our own beliefs and creations to the point where we are lost to that realization and follow after  counterfeit, usurper god concepts which separate who we are from who we are through our beliefs.

Buddha, Jesus et al are unknown as they really are because humans tend to elaborate, and consign things to them which are fantasy...happens all the time with many things...my point was that this can be navigated around that the TRUE has the optimum chance of being realized.  Know Yourself.  There is no particular wrong about 'ego' if it is aligned with what is true.

[We are what we think.]

We are what we think.

Buddha may have been incorrect, or at least speaking in terms of what we think we are determines how we behave.

Light is information (data) - we are not information we are that which interprets information within the scope of our abilities and experience.

The absence of data is not the absence of "God" -

GOD was not 'created' but has always ever existed...therefore there is no purpose to 'completing the circle' as to do so limits one within the parameters of the fore mentioned 'gods' of human imagination which are constructs given immense powers over their human creators.


http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/everything_which_has_a_beginning_is_by_that_very_fact_a_simulation_wi11iam-t39909.0.html

Most if not all the "Gods" and "Goddesses" that are part of all religions started out as nothing more that thought forms created and enforced by the millions of people that pray to them(believe in them). They have gained their power from the prayers and are now sentient beings, that have the powers that people have contributed to them.  So if they were not real to start with, they are now, because of the thoughts and energy given them by the people that believe in them. 

Who Created Who?  The line is somewhat blurred but if one cares to see through that, it becomes an obsolete way to think.

Where does 'thought' actually derive?  Obviously the persistence of certain thought structure results in creative manifestation but does it really take the combined thought of many individuals in order to 'make it real'?

It is obvious that the power of one individual can create a universe, albeit a personal one, but nonetheless as real as the individual thinks it to be.

The mind is able to shift its focus to be all inclusive.  Understanding that not all Gods are figments of human imagination, and those that are have been forced together as surely as humans beings have evolved and multiplied to cover the whole face of the earth.

To what value does human spirituality have within the physical universe?  It is shifty by nature, undefinable in its wholeness, impractical as a measuring device and still too fragmented to offer service to the human condition  It barters miracles for minds/souls and is dependent upon belief in order to exist.

Outside that parameter of the ripple of fragmented spirituality may well reside something so real that it does not require belief to make it so.  It simply is.

It behoves the genuine individual seeker to find out if such a thing truly exists and upon uncovering, to align.

I have never heard about this type of animal that eats its own tail.

Symbolic.  Kind of mythology. 

[Ouroboros]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

Ouroboros

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It is conceivable. they obviously have too much time on their hands or just like doing it... or themselves make a living from it.

I am a believer of UFOs... that's just something I have had an interest in for years. I am involved in the UFO 'community' and frequently communicate with those who are big players... researchers like Stanton Friedman, Roger Leir (who has removed alleged alien implants), Nick Pope and Greer himself.. abductees and witnesses like Whitley Strieber, Travis Walton, Bob Lazar, Larry Warren... all good friends who have influenced my life. I leave them to open the potential can of worms and wait for that to happen.

I have never seen a UFO myself that made me think 'that is definitely a UFO' But i don't instantly disbelieve those that claim to have.

I don't subscribe to them being interstellar or from another planet.

I had an interesting experience re 'lights in the sky' which appeared literally out of nowhere.

It is possible that beings from another planet (other planets) in the Galaxy can build (have built/are building) ships in which to travel interstellar - as I have said in other threads, this seems the natural evolution of Consciousness involved in this PMR.

Physical travel.

The lights I saw happened when I was awake and lucid in this reality.

The interesting thing was, it happened just after I started uploading this video on YT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TQ9DUAbIdU

On conspiracy, my first encounter with any happened in the early 80s when I used to go to an American type Christian Pentecostal church - I know from personal experience how such info can muck with ya head...but I have to say I learned a lot from having gone through it - letting it go took a lot of years and deep 'soul searching' of which I am very grateful for my communications via Ouija Principle...these helped me in that process perhaps more than anything else.

It happens with my partner and I quite often.

Who knows!  We tend to keep our thoughts to ourselves so could be thinking the same things more often than we are aware.

Mention was also made that those with mundane jobs are dissatisfied and spend their time making up stories or at least letting stories of conspiracy germinate and grow in their minds.

It is just as conceivable that there are those who dont need to work who sit around thinking up stories and spreading these around the internet.

On the subject of Extraterrestrials, Roswell etc...there is enough evidence to support that they had something to do with human history, and also with AP - perhaps they are not 'space travelers' but APers?

The one I met happened during altered states - and many stories indicate that this is the more likelly thing which is happening, rather than 'abductions' and space craft etc.

Yep, I guess that's the kind of person I am! 

It's better than cutting down and dissecting them without knowing or trying to make other people think that I know, what I am actually talking about! 

It's so easy to sit on the other side of a keyboard and have all the answers. To claim people as Frauds, when you don't know what kind of person that is in the real world.

Not sure anyone here has actually claimed him as a fraud.  I may have missed it though. 

When one gets to the nitty-gritty, without the CT hoopla and 'he said she said they said' unconfirmed gossip etc...well one can spend a life time very concerned with all that type information and be no more enlightened by that.

What we can do (if we want to) is accept.  Quiet simply the oil industry which fuels the Machine is something every one of us are involved with and alternate cleaner ways of producing energy are slow to come to the fore but everything which keeps me ticking over in this experience in this PMR is connected to Oil some how, and I personally would be the hypocrite if I bitched about it whilst being sustained by it.

Sheeple is a term which describes people who are somehow in denial about what it is which sustains them - denial about the ramifications, those more obvious things like where the Superpowers and their followers choose to focus their helpful attention when involving themselves in the affairs of less powerful countries - for example, the poorest nation in the West could do with some superpower help but there is no real profit to be made in assisting Haiti due to its history - there is nothing of value which can be taken - it has already been taken.

I think the term Sheeple might come from the fact that a lot of the Superpowers are beholden to Christianity and the Great Shepard, but whatever -

As to being accused of being some kind of 'mole' or Government Operative - well what does that mean exactly?  Obviously it is not a term of endearment, but isn't that what all law abiding citizens are?
I mean, if you were to report a robbery, or some such thing to the authorities, you essentially are an operative.

My own understanding on what is unfolding is that it is meant to unfold as it does for a reason and part of that reason is that human beings are lying to each other, ripping each other off, lying about each other, being hypocrites, hiding parts of their lives which are very questionable, - so many things they are doing to each other which are unkind through to atrocious, and this has been the way for a very long time (and has its echos in NPMR) and one of the major reasons why this is such a problem has to do with our ability to hide our agenda from one another, while we also seek out those who are (appear to be) akin to us so we can join together to strengthen the manifestation of those agenda into this PMR.

This causes so many problems on so many levels as can be seen by the evidence.

This is also changing as technology finds ways to prevent the individual from executing personal agenda.

My own understanding is that due to the nature of my own path I gained the attention of what are commonly referred to as 'The Powers That Be' but I have no qualms with being in such a position because I have no thing to hide from 'them' - I am not a threat in any way, and more often than not I am helpful.

I also understand that their is an aspect of humanity which is working together for the Collective Consciousness and that it is this CC which is ultimately the 'Superpower' but recognizes no particular creed, country, religion, politics, culture etc...and that this CC has its 'counterpart' in the NPMR.

There is some disgruntled attitude toward 'Corporations' running Governments - it is my understanding that this is correct assessment and not such a hidden thing either.  Corporations are far more capable of clarity and focus of collective intent than individuals are and they are unified.

The days of old are going going gone.   The best protection you have is your kindness to others...one day even Superpowers will be a thing of the past...a means to an end...or more accurately...a new paradigm.

Last night Steven Greer and the Doctor they had hired to look at that specimen were both on Coast to Coast AM.

The Doctor stated that he had gone into this with a view that it was definitely a Human with some kind of abnormality or defect. Steven stated that that was why this Doctor was chosen. He wanted someone who was skeptical.

But, when the conversation got too deep and one sided on the Documentary being based solely on that finding, he said that the EBE was only a small portion of the Documentary.

My feeling was it was the hook at the end of the line. The one thing that got most people's angst up to watch it.

I have respect for Mr Greer simply due to the fact that he has based the last 15 years of his life on this venture or path. That takes true passion.

You can find a number of videos these days on free energy and free energy devises.

But, You really have to give credit to Mr. Greer though for all the hard work he has put in.

Even you people that think he is a complete "fraud" could and should respect that!

It is interesting that you would encourage respect and credit to anyone who might have spent a significant number of years involved in fraudulent enterprise, simply because that is their passion and they worked hard at it.

haha.. I expected as much.

Of course you did Ben. 

I find this pic interesting as well...

http://i902.photobucket.com/albums/ac225/bedeekin/126_6583063803_9820_n_zpsc6698a9c.jpg

Finding something interesting doesn't imply that I believe in or support 'one way or the other' Ben. - it is really a follow-through of commentary which at present is happening on this board to do with information, confusion, belief, conspiracy, fringe, etc...and I find reaction interesting too.

The real concern is perhaps that while the bullets and bombs are doing physical damage, the lies are doing serious mental damage and are being built upon layer by layer...this is exactly what eventually brings individuals to a place where they think they do righteousness by being 'pro-active' against the machine and the rich who operate it...and create plans of action in which to leave their mark (not a dint - a scratch) on said machine.

Just witnessing the reaction to such activity gives me an appreciation for how 'the other side' feels when it is Western bullets and bombs shattering loved ones in their own lands, but ultimately such activity is non productive for purposes of peace because it escalates in a tit for tat (vengeance) mode.

I find this interesting too: 
http://crispian-jago.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/the-conspiracy-theory-flowchart-they.html

I found this interesting re the Boston Bombing :

http://atruthsoldier.wordpress.com/2013/04/22/frame-by-frame-analysis-of-crisis-actors-preparing-double-amputee-actor-at-boston-bombing/

Well Ben...

It is very obvious that for every true story there is an opposite and equally true story.

What you are venting about here is a product of duality.  The battle against good and evil, which as you say, has been going on for centuries...really since the dawn of societies and what is being witnessed is the techno version of this.

I think that it is all there for the purpose of distraction - which camp will you choose to be of service to, and will it be on the side of good or of evil?

Seriously, do you think the citizens of any civilized country think themselves the evildoers?

To further add to the chaos, the internet is showing clearly that human beings are truly confused, but the motivation of any kind of theory to do with belief has to do with control, influence, money, power...and it is the factions which germinate, perpetuate and cultivate rumor and breath life into it through its following.

The factions are not concerned with unity or harmony but are using fear as a tool in any and all that they might have the chance to turn into mouthpieces for their particular cause, and politics is closely tied into this thing and uses what it can to procure the votes and this thing seems to be a runaway train - how small white lies can becoming raging destructive curses...to the detriment of the species.

It is undeniably happening throughout most layers of human society, but it is avoidable to the greater degree although it is understandable that the more this continues, the tighter things are becoming, the less choice one might have to avoid adding ones own energy to it - things truly can get nasty and "they who are not for us are against us' could become a catch cry slogan for the most prolific of groups which are and will continue to emerge and there may well come a time when not being 'for' something will be enough reason to get arrested and incarcerated or even killed.

However, it may just be that what is occurring will have the effect of closing down a lot of the radical groups and the reason they are so vocal is because they know that as the system tightens its hold with its ability to monitor effectively every human being on the planet that their hidden agendas will be revealed and that which has previously been able to parade as some kind of righteous will be fully exposed for the lie that it is and revealed information will destroy their power, or short of that - erode their image sufficiently that their demise is assured.

Personally speaking, I have nothing to hide and no problem with social authority knowing everything about me.  The problem is that a greater percentage of individuals throughout society have things they want to keep hidden and the thought of being exposed is something they are very afraid of and would think nothing of starting rumors of conspiracy or supporting that which spreads the rumors.

Society is ripping itself off by ripping off its neighbor members of same said society and this practice has been so accepted and habitual that anything which threatens it is barraged with all sorts of methodology - from innuendo, lies, infiltration, bullying, slander, murder, mayhem - you name it - there it is.

I don't care for it, have no respect for it, and would like to see it die the death it deserves...which is to say that I would like to see people transform their lives into productive units of loving-kindness with the intent on not taking sides in the human duality drama but stepping out of that and into something far more productive and proactive, but that is perhaps just a dream.

Info on Greer:

http://swallowingthecamel.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/wednesday-weirdness-roundup-steven-greers-alien-lots-of-other-fake-dead-aliens/

Excerpt:

You would think the Atacama humanoid results would be big, big news in the world of ufology, but skepticism and disinterest remain high. I'm guessing this is partly because of Greer's track record, partly because he won't even release the names of these world-renowned scientists, and partly because we've been through all this before.

Having read the Blog I see that the name was "Dr. Reed" who claimed to have shot and thought he had killed an Alien which he stuck in his freezer and which wasn't as dead as he had thought...and eventually 'government agents' took away...*sigh* - what so many charlatans will do for a buck at the expense of the gullible believers.

I seem to recall some years ago a story about a guy who said he shot an alien and stuffed it in his freezer - I think that guys name was Greer and I recall there were a few not so obvious at first reading -  holes in his story at the time - I wonder if it is the same guy?