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alexd: One would need to know the old password when you make a new password for security purposes.

And MS, you aren't logged on now or you have it so that your online status is hidden. Either way, we can't tell one way or the other.

Only way that the admins would be able to tell is to match the ip's from before this started, but if you've got a dynamic ip, then it'd change, so then that idea wouldn't work. But, like you said, you never log off your computer, so the ip in the last post of yours should match to one from a while back.

And how could the real MS log in to say that his password has been changed if he now doesn't know his password?

That sounds the same as what I've had. My heart started to race and the bright white light came in. As far as I can tell, it's the actual heart, because the pulse was racing in my wrist as well. Haven't had an OBE but am also curious about if this is supposed to happen.

Yes, that is what I was saying, thanks for explaining it better alexd.

I think he means that someone used his username to pretend to be him while they posted the thread.

I mean that seperate sparkles pop in and out. If that's not the case, then yeah, we're talking about two different things.

Do you feel the leg NEG or can you see it too?

Because to be fair we generally forget dreams easily, its like you take your mind off them for 5 seconds when you come awake and then you v forgot them, but I v learnt that when I awake up I quickly run over what the dream was about and lock it in to consciousness, then write up the story in the computer lol, it generally works.

That's different from the way that it happens to me. If I don't think about them as soon as I wake up or a short time after, I'll have the ideas or scenes from them pop back into my mind a couple of hours later.

Just a simple question, Flannery. I'm wondering if you are male or female.

[Edit: Read your new post. The 'him/himself' threw me off in your post when Mustardseed had referred to you with 'her'.]

I find that in 'scary' situations that you think more clearly than ever, therefore somone can accidently(not meaning to) use energy to do amaizing things.

Yup, that's what adrenaline does.

Common sense would dictate that if they were air elementals, you would see them in places other than when you are looking into the sky. For example, you could see them while looking in a room because air is in there too. They are visible while you look into the sky because it provides the intensity of light that you need in order to properly see them. I see them while looking at the snow all the time, which there is a lot of here and this is because of the brightness of the snow.

I'm not convinced that they are only there a storm is around or when it is raining. I have seen them without there being a cloud in the sky.

BTW milkyway, if they pop in and out, how do you determine that they are independent of your sight? They come and go too quickly to track one after I move my eyes quickly.

I've never had kaleidoscope vision, and I don't think that I've ever had my vision distorted while in SP. Yeah, yelling or shouting doesn't really work well. It's stopped by the paralysis thing and makes it so you don't talk in your sleep. First time I had it, I tried to yell or shout to get help after I realized that I couldn't move. Tried it in other episodes when I wanted someone to poke me with their finger to snap me out of it, but it didn't work either.

Just remembered dreaming a few times and trying to see if I could bite my tongue and feel pain in the dream. I probably tried it to switch to a different dream (the closing my eyes way to do it was my usual one when I was young and prone to nightmares). All I got was a very small and light sensation on my tongue, which was probably from trying to actually bite down with SP in while I was asleep.

The SP with the moon... well, I'm not completely sure at this point, still guessing at some stuff, but I'll explain this simply. Everybody has sleep paralysis while they are sleeping, what we get is awareness during sleep paralysis (which we just called sleep paralysis because that's just another name people use for it). I've been wondering WHY we wake up without our brains noticing (and because of that, it doesn't know to flick the paralysis switch off). It's possible that the light of the moon will cue you to wake up, but the part of the brain that does the switching doesn't realize it.

It's odd, though, because your sight from your eyes isn't being shown to you, what you would be seeing is a dream while the light from the moon is in your eyes. I'm not sure how often people wake up in the middle of the night for no apparent reason, to find themselves in SP, like what happens to me (sounds like you do that too). I'm not even sure that I'm awake before I realize that I'm in SP, sometimes I know that I am paralysised before I open my eyes.

Another thing I was just thinking about. It could be that if your eyes get some sort of stimulous throught the lids, it will wake your conscienceness up, but maybe your mind isn't supposed to pick up sight as a reason to flick the switch. A sound or touch will break you out of it (and awake as well), but I'm not sure why your sight through your eyes would return while you are in a dream... hmm... it would still work if you were in a pitch-black room. The signals from the optic nerve would still be reaching the brain, but wouldn't be sending back much of anything.... wish I knew more about how the brain worked, because the information would work wonders in trying to puzzle this stuff out with nothing but ideas, general knowledge, and the timeline of what happens to go by.

That's about it for now. Didn't mean to go ranting after I answered some of the stuff, but it might be interesting to read.

-lines-,  i'm not everybody lol,i've had my share of oportunities to get laid but i declined,i am no animal i don't want these desires, for me the purpose of dating,boyfriends,girlfriends,sex wthatever is to make kids.since the planet is overpopulated because the human race consists of persons who can't control their animal side(horny bastards LOL) plus even if i had kids  they wouldn't have a high IQ and that's what mankind needs people with very high IQ who will make science go foward.it already has too many dumb people like me

You're not dumb if you are able to think like that.

HAHAHA

I have always had strange sleeping habbits.  Sleep paralysis, sleep walking etc.  Several times I have jumped out of bed feeling a presence in my room.  One time I saw an old woman in red at the end of my bed.  I was so freaked out by this I went to wave my hand at her to touch her.  At that moment she broke apart.

Ah, you get the hallucinations with sleep paralysis. You can also have auditory hallucinations, which can get kind of frightening because you can hear it, but you can't see where it is. The presence (is it evil in your case?) is also common with people who have SP. I've only had twice or three times where I've sensed (just evil/wrong feeling), heard (dog at the end of my bed... and it sounded big and like one that would bite me), seen a supposedly evil presence, once I was so amazed that I was seeing something totally impossible. I wasn't scared, just amazed at what I was seeing.

I've heard the things that talk to me as I try to fall to sleep. They are really bloody odd, and they sound so real. I used to make them have conversations with each other if I was really bored.

I remember when I was younger, that if I was in the quiet and didn't move around much for a while (over 20 minutes which didn't happen much with me having brothers), I'd be able to clearly hear music that I could play in my head and I'd be awake and sitting in a seat, and just staring ahead. It'd break off if I moved, I think. I forgot about that happening, nice to remember it again.

Yup, me for one. I deal with them as seperate things and think of 'new age' things when the mood hits me. Makes it easier to think about other things I guess if I'm not pondering on about the kinds of thinking that's 'new age'. What you believe in is usually inherited by your parents beliefs (at a young age) and then you modify or change what you think is correct or the proper way of things. Suffice to say, I was originally not aware of things such as OBE's and the such, but learned or heard about them, and began to consider them as possiblilities.

Hearing voices is fairly common in the pre-exit stages of trance and meditation, and the borderline of sleep.

Heard bunches of voices last night while trying to blank out my mind to see what would happen. They came while I was trying to not think of things and then just start thinking a bit. They're distracting little buggers that'll break your concentration and you'll start to think about more things and visualize stuff without fully realizing it.

When I move my fingers, they move slowly, but they move. Are you talking about what it feels like to try to move your legs while they are not actually moving, and then snapping out of it like that? I'm not even sure if that's the cause of you snapping out, but because your mind is awake and your brain has been given enough time to realize what's going on.

Oh, that staggering twitch that you feel when you are not actually moving is common, though I've only had it happen a couple of times (once tried to move my feet up, and saw a burred and not-quite- there hallucination of my legs above my blankets). People can get trying to move to the point where their muscles are physically sore and cramped the next day.

Look up some sleep paralysis forums for a better understanding how/why SP happens, I just came to my own conclusions at first, which was backed up by some sites that I came across.

I get sleep paralysis on a regular basis, and it is almost always caused by a combination of sleeping on my back, sleeping in a strange spot such as a couch or in a chair or in another house, and sleeping at a time when I don't usually go to sleep. I have them a bunch while in my bed while sleeping at noon, during a lunch break. I figure that these regular occurances point to narcolepsy, because I also drop into REM sleep within 5 or 10 minutes of going to sleep (compared to a few hours for other people), but I haven't had a sleep study done yet, so it's just a possiblility.

Clarvoyency and remote viewing don't sound like it. I'm not sure what it would be called, so if anyone has any more suggestions or possibly a link to a page that has a similar incident on it, it would be appreciated greatly. Google isn't very helpful when you don't know the term for something.

Thanks a bunch.

Hey, think on the bright side. The waffling and the fact that people are challenging what they were brought up to believe in is great. It shows that we're all attempting to think for ourselves.

"Always look on the bright side of life." - Some Monty Python movie

Yes, you would have. I had let myself get sucked back down to prove to myself that it was just bringing back to sleep, just forcefully. I sometimes let myself be sucked back in if I'm in a repetative loops of SP, when I break out only to have another episode of SP start up a few seconds later or when it's too difficult or I don't feel like exerting enough willpower to break out. If you get sucked in, then at least you don't need to try to fall asleep again.

Oh, and any pressure on your chest or difficulty breathing is because you're still not in total control over it because your brain thinks that you haven't woken up and hasn't given you the controls back, so to speak. Auditory and visual hallucinations are also common to some people, so try to not let those bother you if you end up getting them.

Yeah, that sounds about right. It's not so black and white, and that includes the gap where people could be not just waffling, but attempting to believe 2 systems at once, or two systems seperate from each other and dealing with the two as completely seperate. Makes sense, I hope.

You don't need to know about them or how to do them for them to happen. As with OBE's from near death experiences, I'm sure there can be other spontaneous occurences of AP/OBE as there can be with ESP or clarvoyence. Some things just happen out of the blue.