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I'm new to this forum but I am an experienced projector. I have to say that I absolutely reject the idea that we are not living in a physical reality right now. Especially that we are experiencing a collective conscience NPR. The reason is all the "evil, hate, bad energy" what ever you prefer to call it, that is prevailing. I believe that good is the strongest, the largest, and most predominant force there is. Therefore, if we were all experiencing an NPR held by our collective consciences  wouldn't that mean there would be a lot less "evil" right now, right here. I think this is the reality where all the bad can run a muck and how we let it affect us individually will determine the work we will have to do next.

Since I have never felt any kind of physical pain (just odd sensations) during an OBE, I think that pain is something we need to feel in the physical right here to better understand it and use that knowledge to work thru what we have to in the next. I think if we had to deal with pain physically in the next, it would be a big hindrance to our spiritual growth.

Hope I wasn't to literal. If I didn't make sense, keep in mind that I am trying to reconcile my Christian beliefs with what I am starting to learn and experience with the NPR. I love this website.

Hi, welcome to the pulse, I believe thats true also, as in this world is subject to pain and suffering that we cannot experience in a non physical world and is therefore no doubt an essential part of the physical journey. I also go along with what xanth is saying in this world is non physical world in some ways, but of course feels physical to our senses. So we could agree its physical to  humans and at some level. But in reality its still an illusion. We see the world as our consciousness allows us, not as it really is. But then we are splitting hairs again lol

Because what we "believe" to be a physical body doesn't objectively exist.  What's natural is that you, and everything you can experience is all consciousness.

... as I'm slowly coming to terms with.  LoL

Oh I agree, Im just getting down to the mechanics of things. 

I'd say that you're still stuck on this idea that you have a "body" at all. 

I fully believe that this "physical reality" that we experience is nothing but "just another non-physical reality".
It's a reality constructed and kept alive by the consciousnesses of the people experiencing it.

Consider that in relation to what you're asking above now. 

Totally agree xanth, this world is with out a shadow of a doubt an illusion of the senses.
I guess what I should have asked or suggested is that I believe on some level we are traveling using an ethereal version of the physical. Both illusions in reality, but the illusion that is giving expression of a sense if self at anyone time. I don't think there is a difinitive answer, but I find that sits as a closer idea of the true nature of things.
Let's consider someone has physically died, they will no longer have an association of the physical body, just a memory or etheric version prehaps aslong it serves them. So why can't that be the case while having an OBE. It's natrual for us, so why not.

Hi all, hope your well and enjoying your day

I know this is a contentious issue and one that's been debated many times but,

I believe and it makes sense that consciousness is infinite and when we are phasing or lucid traveling in the dream scape for example we are just shifting our conscious awareness to a non physical state/place reality what ever you prefer to call it or understand it. But in reality we haven't left our bodies.. Just expanded our mind beyond it.

However: when we have what I call an OBE my entire conscious awareness has left my physical body and is then traveling with an energy version of my physical body, so as far as my physical body is concerned I've left it behind. In that state I know we are still attached to our body but I have no awareness of it or contact with it. Only a knowledge that it exists. So I believe and know that there are profound differences between the states I have described. I'm wondering if (and I don't say this to be challenging, im just curious) that if someone can't relate to that separation of mind and body then they haven't had a conscious OBE.
I often see people asking, did I do it ? If there's any doubt then I believe the answers no. When you OBE then there is no mistaking.

I've had an OBE (infact a NDE) where I went so far I had no interest in my physical life and definitely wasn't coming back. But I was made to by some guy in a cloak with a hoodie. Before anyone newish worries about that, please be aware he hoodie guy took me to a place where I could feel and experience something of the joy love and bliss that awaited us in the next life. Which I have never felt In any other travels. It's usually hard to stay out ! Lol.  

We might argue that we are not actually in our bodies and it's all just a question of focus, but it's a bit hair splity really lol.

So what dya think folks ...?  

Ex-athiests?  I'm a current athiest.
I find astral projection to work quite fine... 

Best answer here !

I grew up with a fascination of science, nature and biology. I can't deal much in faith, never have and doubt I will. I like to have good evidence or for something to make rational sense before I believe anything entirely. I remember thinking when I was around 10 years old religion is just for weak people that need something to believe in.

I'm now a busy working psychic and medium and have astral traveled and OBd many many times and can testify for the absolute realty of it. I have seen physical matter dissolve and change in front of my very eyes. Which was witnessed by some one else with me and could tell you enough stories to fill a book. I've been privileged to wittiness incredible acts of healing, with the scientific proof to back up the phenomena. Before and after blood tests and scans etc.

Interestingly enough the scientist that devised the theory of evelution with Darwin, Dr A.R wallace also studied, examined and tested spirtitulism and the communication with people passed over through a medium,  the contuation of the human soul and it's survival beyond the physical death. He argued fiercely that he found its realty to be as real and aswell proven as the facts if any other science. Many if his colleges agreed the same.

I was having a conversation a couple of days ago with someone who is adept at astral travel and also studies of the mind and conciuiness and we both agreed whole heartedly that if you want to progress in this field and gain control over your ability to AP then meditation is by far one of the best things you can do. Nothing to formal or complicated. Just something that helps you build an awareness, understanding and relationship with your subtle body and who and what you are beyond the physical. Apart from potentially enhancing every aspect of your life it will help your ability to AP no end. Find a good mediation you enjoy and start doing a bit each day or as often as your able...and enjoy the benefits

then someone
walks into my bedroom and knocks me out cold for the following 30min. (sometimes)

Hi Ellis, I didn't understand that bit?

I went through a phase of falling asleep or losing awareness to quickly and still do sometimes, but ive found focusing on the in flow and out flow of breath at the top of my nostrils / between the brow is a great way to focus and if you pay attention to that area, its a great way to enter phasing ! at least it works for me.

Keep us informed of your progress 

Thanks for sharing Majour Ka!

The events of her Dreams on a subconscious level are likely responsible for the "finest and most incredible medium" she is today! 

Thanks everyone, im sure your right! To be clear she was also talking about her visits to locations in this world and the spirit world, so not only the entirely subconscious realms but locations where she would meet with helpers and talk about her work ahead and experience those described. 

Do tell.. what did you feel? did you feel different in any way from being in it's presence? Or were you just pumped at seeing it?
did it try to communicate with you?

Saw something one day but not real close. a bit like the video one from Belfast at around 8min 20s. It was cruising along horizontally then bam up and gone!

My mum saw one one day and they had many reports of UFO that same night in our community.
From the way she tells it, it flew within 50metres of her. Would have been cool to witness.

Though i might feel amazed watching one from the distance of the closer ones in the video, if one decided to pull up out back and humaniod or other intelligent life/light forms walked out i'd probably crap my pants unless they were heavily influencing me with love or similar  

Hi, just totally amazed, I was sat with my then girlfriend eating a curry on the balcony of a restaurant. Everyone was coming out of the hotels and stopping in the street and gathering to watch it! after we went to where I worked and everyone was buzzing about it saying they had seen it as well, it was like a rectangular box shape and kept rocking gently as it hovered, then moved higher and did the same for a while, then moved high out of site really fast. Was pretty strange to be honest !

Hey Cody, good work for taking action and well done.

YOU WOULD BE AMAZED just how many (even small) adjustments in our diet can change our health, energy and mood for the better !

Keep going and keep reading up on healthy living and find healthy stuff you enjoy. Feeling better will help fix your mental and emotional state big time, which in turn will further heal your body.

Sending you power and positivity 

M.

Greetings all,

So I was discussing AP etc with a lady this afternoon who is with out doubt one of the finest and most incredible mediums and psychics alive today.

She asked the spirit world around 20 years ago, where she went and what she did in here sleep "they told her be carful what you wish for" she pushed it and asked them to show her. The following three nights she became lucid and found herself traveling with one of her helpers and she found herself in the middle east in a room full of people in a building that was derelict with no running water or electric and appalling conditions. There were people laid on dirty mattresses with no medical care and in pain so bad they couldn't even make a sound. She found their suffering really quite disturbing and similarly horrific suffering was shown to her the following couple of nights.

She subsequently said she has see enough. The spirit world told her the day after that we visit places and scenarios in our sleep that we can learn and grow from that we could not face emotionally in the psychical world. But since our spirit is so much more resilient we can cope with facing so much more in our spirit state.
They also went on to remind her that much is taught and learned on a subconscious level from experiences that needs no words or verbal explanation but registers deep within our consciousness and develops our awareness and emotional intelligence etc.

Interesting I thought and maybe thats another reason why we don't remember all our sleep journeys. Maybe this isn't what all of us do in our sleep, but it seemed it was a something she had needed or chosen to do at some level.

There are hundreds of chakras throughout the human body

Amazing experiences Lion Heart, nice share, blessings.

It seems like I have programed my consciousness somehow, maybe even by an accident, to be so attuned to the astral once I exit, that sometimes I question if I have died, because I don't return for a long time no matted what extremes I may encounter LOL

Ive thought I might have died before during AP especially when I had one in hospital! LOL

I have also been in the position where I decided I wasn't coming back, but I was told to and made to LOL

Sounds like a good psychic.
I know a lady and you can just give her a name and she can tell pretty much everything about them ! its unreal!!

Good post! I expect some are real and some are hoax.

I saw one in Tenerife in the canary islands in daylight. About 80 of us saw it! It was orange and hovered above us for like 15 minutes, moving away then, hovering again for a while then shot off!! Unfortunately it was in the days when phones didnt have cameras. Not sure if anyone filmed it. Was real though.

life is dreaming in a body

Very sorry to hear about your pup. Its sounds like you did a good job of looking after him.

Not sure where to post this, hope this is an alright place for it.

I have read the training to see aura's page on this site about 3 or 4 times and i could easily see the aura of color with the Aura viewing tool.  It seems that no matter how hard i tried the mental lifting action i could not see a living aura.  

I was just reading alot of stuff like i normally do and i stumbled upon this site which has some very useful aura training tools like the aura tool on this site in training.  Although i think these tools are much more effective.  After about 5 minutes of practice i was seeing my fingers' aura right before my eyes finally!!  =)  

So if your interested in a good source to check out visit here.

http://www.thiaoouba.com/seeau.htm

If you have any questions on the 2nd practice exercise feel free to ask me.  It took me a few minutes to get both spheres in sync, and my finger lined up right to make the cross.

Hope this helps anyone having trouble like i was.[8D]

Tre

Congrats!  keep going, its a great feeling eh!  I believe its just practice, practice priactice and how much natural clairvoyant ability you have. Just keep looking at them. Meditation will help too as you are then building a relationship with your subtle mind and spirit, which is what we see auras with )

Happy new from the UK!! 

This forum is just so typical of those who consider themselves part of the "White Robes Brigade".
That is those who on physical, death, will be elevate to some exalted position in the Afterlife, given
their white robes, and be educated into the mysteries of the Universe. Just read Xanth's-Ryan's
comments above! No doubt he's one of them! Past lives, and present life traumas obviously
does not affect him! He resolved them all, and is now a high spiritual being in physical incarnation.

"The only suffering is the suffering you bring with you." Ryans words! So all the worlds greatest
murderers and assholes only have to overrule their emotional feelings about the thousands
or millions they slaughtered, and now they are living in some sort of wonderful bliss according
to your pathetic statements! Adolf Hitler must now be living in some sort of 'Aryan Paradise'',
in the Afterlife if he just thinks so! Ryan! You are a complete fool. Punishment and Karma happens
in the Afterlife, just like it happens in the physical! Get Educated!  

       

Im not actually sure how you came to the white robe rant from Ryans words??? I agree we create our own suffering..so we reap that which we sow...simple concept I would have thought. Regards

isn't self consciousness the 1st step towards other consciousness?
i mean if you cant even become conscious of yourself then how do u expect to be conscious of anything, I'm not saying its a good thing I'm just adding that i think its necessary to be self conscious in order to have a care of any other awareness,

if u cant even be conscious of yourself then Ur just a walking mindless drone, but then if you become too selfaware you'll turn into a gainful being lol irony

I agree it has to play its part, its part of our self awareness. But also good to work towards finding a balance nd focus on other things I belive 

Damn Bedeedkin you got me thinking last night when I was getting to bed LOL.

Ive always believed you dont need to be psychic/clairvoyant to see Auras and I still do believe that to be the case with seeing the energy to some degree. But to see a full Aura I suspect it is a clairvoyant faculty.

Why does it look physical? and make any difference as to what light or back ground you see it in?
Because like everything we see, we are seeing it with our mind OR our minds interpretation of it. And while the mind might be witnessing the Aura, the eyes are sending the signal to the brain to process the physical world and the two merge to create the illusion of both being in this world ...at least to the mind it looks that way..lol.

Still makes me think that people who dont realise they are clairvoyant can begin to awaken that aspect by having something to look for and focus on ie the aura..its an easy place for the brian to start. Otherwise teaching someone to look clairvoyantly for sometjhing when they dont know how that works for them will take longer...im just writing out loud as my mind is whiring away here..sorry!   Its given me some teaching ideas..thanks Bedeedkin !!!!!!

Im certain with out doubt that the world we live in when we leave this one "The spirit world" is a subjective reality like much like this one, that is to say we create our own surroundings to some degree and also it still must be subject to cause and affect. So we can still suffer to some degree, but only on an emotional sense since we wont have a physical body and we will only create that suffering our selves. Not inflicted by anyone else.

The "astral world" is a reflection of our emotional and subconsciousness. its where we dream and AP so we can manifest experiences there ourselves consciously or subconsciously  and I expect to some degree we might experience there an aspect of a collective consciousness, but that im not certain of. But what we see feel or sense in that area of consciousness is that which we need to face or helps our own growth and understanding, that our mind creates for us.

The suffering I think you maybe referring to is the pain of reflection maybe a mass murderer may have to face by understanding the hurt they have caused and feeling it directly. I understand from the spirt teachers and inspirers that the very energetic frequency that such a person would find them selves in and attuned to through the creation of their own light  (or lack of) and vibration is suffering enough in its self and until there is a shift in their understanding and consciousness they wont or cant move to a more enjoyable area of existence.
So we very much create the surroundings we find ourselves in the next life while we are here on earth and the like minds we mix with by building our light and vibrational frequency here.
The spirt world gave the seven principles of spiritualism through the trance mediumship of Emma Hardinge Britten in the 1800s in a seance in the states. The communicating spirit was well known social reformist Robert Marcus Owen from wales G.B who invented/formed the co-operative society. The principals were not rules as in religious dogma but ideas by which a person can live to enlighten their life and mind. One of those principals was "compensation and retribution hereafter for deeds good and evil done on earth" Suggesting that we will pay for in some way or reap the rewards of our behaviour when we reach the spirit world. I believe that most likely the worst pain and suffering we might inflict/suffer or witness would be here in this world not the next...One of the other principles the spirit world gave us through Robert Owen was "eternal progress open to every human soul" So we have eternity to get it right...and all are assisted in doing so.
We create the place and experience that we experience in the next life by our actions and thoughts now, just as we do now i this world. I hope that helps with some food for thought for your question.

You most likely find that some answers to some questions will sometimes offer some sense, but you wont evr really know it until it crystallises in your own mind. So all lessons/teachings are only sign posts to your understanding...I think thats why Lion heart was really trying to help you by encouraging to find it for yourself knowing how joyful and amazing you will find it