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Hi everyone,

I have studied lucid dreaming and dreams (along with astral projection) for probably about 20 years. When I was a kid... My dreams were very vivid and lucid dreaming was alot easier.. Now that I am 31, Its almost impossible to remember my dreams most of the time. It is like I am not dreaming, even though I know I am.

Occasionally I wake up in the middle of the night and do my reality test which for me, is holding my nose tight and trying to breath in through it.. I discovered years ago that this method works well when i  realized I could breath under water in my dreams. The wierd thing is, I wouldnt do this reality test if I were not having some sort of unsettling dream but I can never remember the dream even though I remember doing the reality check.

Occasionally I will remember a dream if I am woken up or something but they fade alot faster than they used to. I am the kind of person now that I cant afford to move around much if I wake up in the middle of the night to make a recording or write in a dream journal, or I will not be able to get back to sleep and I only sleep about 6 hours usually per night during the week which may be part of it.

Anyway, I just was wondering if anyone else was experiencing this type of thing and had any tips or remedies for it. I really want to be able to dream like I used to and am trying to get back into astral projection so i think lucid dreaming is a good first step. Another wierd thing is sometimes when I do remember a dream... It is dark and kind of twisted. Alot of times involving death and/or or ghosts.

I'm at a loss so any help with these matters would be great!

Thanks

Trea

Yeah... I'm the same Todd... I have had many witnesses and personal verifications. But they are personal validations.. .well... shared between about 30 people/witnesses.

So it's not really a mistake. I can't deny it... but then maybe you need to experience it for it to enter into your belief system.

Maybe its a sort of 'reading' of the current state of PMR... like a reading or following of the 'data' stream that reality creates.

Either way... the quality of a RTZ projection is very different from one that takes place in the NMPR. Just my findings.

This is what I is so confusing to me.. some people who have alot of experience with RTZ projections say it is just like the physical world with no fluctuations, others say the opposite. I guess it just maybe depends on your vibration level at the time maybe is the only thing I can think of.

Hello Astral-Trea
In response to your questionNot all astral or ethereal counterparts of physical world locations are exact replicas. There are usually at least a few objects out of place, maybe in the wrong location or not there at all or maybe extra items added where none should be. Robert Bruce has termed such inconsistencies "Reality fluctuations".
ObewanaBe's brother May have been the creation of ObewanaBes mind, maybe a dream character. I'm not saying for sure that's what happen but it Is a possibility.

Regards  
Grey

Hi thanks for the replies!  I am trying to get more active in the forum... I have read Robert Bruce's works and know what you are referring to... I guess I am still just trying to understand exactly how things work in the astral since I have not yet been able to conciously project yet.

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Hallo ObewanaBe
From the description that you provided I will hazard an educated guess that those Were Both OBEs. Binaural beats are a popular method of getting into the right mental state from which to go out of body. Vibrations are a common phenomenon associated with OBEs. And both experiences began with you exiting your physical body.
And, oh, BTW it DOES matter as OBEs and lucid dreams are not the same. There are similarities yet there are Very important differences between them . Many people believe that OBEs and LDs Are the same thing. That's fine, no big deal. I believe that OBEs differ from LDs in that the consciousness separates and exists outside of the physical body during an OBE. Just thought you should know that there is a big debate about this issue.

Regards 
Grey

So if these were obes, why would he see his brother who was not home and other inaccurate things?

Hi,

I have been asking myself a question that I wish you experienced projectors can answer. It seems like everybody who projects seems to have different experiences. I have heard some things described that seem to suggest that your mind can create reality in the astral, whether it be beings to protect you or beings that can scare you.  I have heard this described as that your fears and imagination can manifest these things. 

So my question is, how does anyone know whether the place they are or the beings they see, are real? How do they know it is not just a manifestation of their mind.. And for that matter.. How do they know that they ever left the body at all.  If your mind can create so much, what is to say that everything isn't created by your mind? That you are taking a journey inside of your own mind rather than actually leaving your body. 

I have read things on forums where people try to lay a playing card in a certain spot without looking and the look at it in the astral, only to find that the suit is correct but the number is not.  This seems to suggest to me that you are not actually seeing a real card, but a generated one. 

Please don't take this as being skeptical, I simply have been asking myself these questions lately and would like to have an answer from people who are experienced, and understand what they are doing and seeing. 

I do feel however, just like with other things, that there are people out there who like to pretend just to be part of something interesting and that there made up stories tend to confuse people and make the real stories and the fake ones hard to tell apart.  Please, if you read this take a few moments to give your opinion and thoughts maybe an answer or two.. Thanks.

So this is my second post here looking for some help and I seem to be getting very little response.  Is this forum not very active?

How come you wrote the same thing 3 times and then added a little bit at the bottom of the 3rd one?

LOL sorry that was a mistake caused by my iPad.. It should be fixed now.

I look forward to reading it and debunking those crazy concepts for you. 

Here is my new post.. It has that website I mentioned.. I would love for you to check it out and let me know what you think.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/possible_projection_and_is_robs_magick_blog_full_of_crap-t35001.0.html;msg290870

So I wanted to post an experience I had recently to see what people thought about it and also ask a few of what I think would be less asked questions. First for the experience.

Basically I was reading about AP and had tried a little to do it before bed one night recently.. I had dream that seemed pretty normal and wasn't ghost or AP related. It was something to do with repairing house.  All of a sudden in this dream, I was in a truck and the truck started moving back and forth on the ground sideways.. Like sliding.  I remember a few family members outside of the truck and I yelled that it wasn't me doing this. The dream turned sort of scary at that point and there seemed to be a ghost or something in the house that I assumed was doing this.  I suddenly got pulled out of the truck through the window and high into the air. Maybe 50 feet or so.. I looked down and saw the ppl I mentioned earlier looking up and what I now think was my body laying on the road on its side.  Once I reached about 50 feet quickly.. I sort of went weightless. I have a fan next to my bed that blows hard and make alot of noise. I know from lucid dreaming that I can hear thhings like that in my dreams and also the TV etc.  The funny thing is I guess you don't notice it until it stops... While in the air everything suddenly went silent and was sort of startling... Like I had went deaf.. And I suddenly and quickly fell to the road.  The weirdest I remember hitting the ground but seeing myself and specifically my face, laying on the road on it's side.  When I hit the ground I woke up with a very loud snore and I heard the fan again..my hearing had returned.  My dreams normally fade away from my memory within minutes after waking..l but this one is one I will remember for a very long time with no effort which i also think is weird.  I find myself wondering if this was an AP within a dream and if some of the dream imagery was mixed in or something.. I don't know what to think so I wanted other people's opinion.

I also found a website recently that has some answers to common AP questions.  This website starts off like all the rest but then the answers seem to start to contradict everything I have ever learned about AP through expert books etc.  This website says things like that your astral body can be injured and that when you reenter your physical body, those injuries can transfer to it also.  It says your astral body can die which will cause your physical body to die and you will cease to exist which I don't believe, it says the cord can be severed which is not common, as well s a bunch of othr stuff. Here is the website... I was hoping ppl can tell me if they have heard of this stuff and if it is true.. Only if you are experienced in AP which means to me that you have done it at least a few times.  

http://robjo.wordpress.com/category/astral-projection/

I know you can't believe everything that is on the web and when I started researching AP, there was no web.  But now that I am using the web to try to learn more, I don't want to fall into any bovine excrement and think that a site is credible when it isn't.  

What do you guys think about what is on this site?

Hi Ryan,

Thanks for the kind words and information! I beleive I have projected within a dream before recently... I am going to post another topic before the weekend describing that experience so that people can give me their opinion on it. I also am going to post in that topic, a link to this website about astral projection because it is the one site I have found that seems to have some strange answers to FAQ.  Things like that you can die in the astral, the cord can get severed, you can have trouble getting back in your body, that if your astral body is injured... your physical body can obtain the injuries as well.  This is some crazy stuff and it is nothing like all of my research over the years. 

I tend not to beleive this because I have heard no other experts back this up but since I have only recently began researching this again.... back when I started there wasn't an internet really to search for all of this so I went by books.  Now anybody can post anything so I just want to sort through the rubbish you know? 

I'll post a link here once i get the new topic up.

@Astral-Trea

Hi

Sounds to me you've already understood perfectly fine what happened. I think someone drained your energy, either on purpose or by accident.

Have you heard about energy vampires? I recommend you check out the books of Michelle Bellanger. They are quite informative on many subjects, including this. A quick web-search will also give you some answers.

Also, I have made a recording briefly explaining the basics of what energy vampirism is, and the symptoms of being attacked. Here's the link if you want it  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RD4SJ6HV3Y

Hi! Thanks for the response and the audio on youtube.  I will definately research this more and I listened to some of your other vids on youtube as well about this subject. (Why do you never appear on cam? Just wondering  

Based on what I have found out about this.. I wonder if this happened while I was just sleeping in my physical body or if this was actually some type of projection where I was attacked.  What do you think?  Also, you mentioned that alot of people are doing this... are these mainly ppl who project or could this have been just an actual psi vamp entity?


You mentioned that these type of attacked can hurt you and I had always heard from all of my research in books that you cannot get hurt in the astral realm by entities, only scared.  However, with this new information and some other info that I saw that mentioned that you could even be killed in astral form and that you would cease to exist, I am confused by which one is true.  Do you know if a vampire or other being latched onto me in astral form or otherwise attacked someone, could that person cease to exist?  If they drained ALL of your energy, what would happen?  I personally dont beleive that your astral body can cease to exist because as you know, energy cannot cease to exist... it can only change forms.  But I beleive it was Einstein who said that and I dont know how much modern day physics have to do with Astral Projection.  Thanks for the help.

Defeat fear and learn the art,

Good advice.. I'll be honest.. I feel like at this point I may can easily project or at least get to the vibrations but currently I seem to have alot of fear that I didn't have when I was a kid.  That makes me feel like I should hold off until I get alot of good advice and answers from you good folks. I guess I am hoping for the truth but also hoping it will put some of my worries to rest.

Hi everyone... I have been studying Astral Projection and Lucid Deaming for years.. Since I was probably 12 or 13 years old.. I am 30 now. I am new to the forum and wanted to describe some experiences and hope to get some answers.

I have never consciously projected that I know of.. The closest I got the first time when I was a kid was feeling the vibrations and hearing the buzzing,, then I got excited and snapped out of it.  After that I can't remember why but i think I gave up on it maybe because i had been trying for months with no luck and could not get back to that stage again. 

I had a strange experience a while after that (still a kid) so I guess I will start there.  I remember waking up one night and knowing that there was a woman standing over my bed.  I felt strongly that I was awake and I don't know that I saw a woman.. Maybe I saw a figure that reminded me of one I don't remember.  Anyway, as soon as I realized this... The woman jabbed both of her hands into my ribs as if she was tickling me... It was weird cause I thought of it as a tickle but it did not tickle.. It was a violent type of jab and I remember I felt the fingers jabbing hard into me and heard a female voice saying something like "tickle tickle tickle" or something along those lines.  Instead of m king me laugh.. I felt like my energy was being drained... I don't know hoe else to describe it other than just being actively drained.  I struggled and think that I said stop or quit.. At which time everything ceased and she was gone.  I felt disoriented after and I got up, went to my parents room, woke my mom up, and asked had she just came and tickled me.  Of course she was sound asleep and didn't know what I was talking about.  Everyone including me chalked it up to a dream... But I normally don't remember dreams for the res of my life which makes me wonder what this could have been.  My parents house is not haunted and we never experienced anything like that before or after. 

My theory became that either I had projected during sleep and something attacked me, or I had attracted something to me by trying to project before.  Is the latter possible because that is a worry I still have today. 

I got interested again in astral projection a few years back and bought some more books.. One by Robert Bruce which described frightening things that can happen during a projection such as clammy hands grabbing you etc.  That freaked me out alot so I didn't pursue it.... Now for some reason.. I have gotten Etremely interested in AP again within the last month or so and have been scouring the web looking at people's experiences etc.

I have alot of questions and I guess I will post them later as this one experience hopefully will get alot of response.  So until then, I will only say that I am very interested in AP but also sort of afraid because I do not want to attract any entities to our apartment that will begin haunting my wife and I. 

I had a recent experience with something I thought was a dream but I am not sure.. I will save that for later also.