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Your making me think today fredhedd.  To me....morals is innate.  Even at a very young age I knew stealing was wrong.....no one had to tell me. Well....actually.....I think there's a gray area with alot of things.  For instance.....is birth control wrong?  Growing up Catholic I always thought it was.  But now....I don't think there's anything wrong with it.   I believe if your not hurting anyone then it can't really be wrong.  But I believe there are some stuff that is easy to decide that its wrong.  Like killing someone else.  No one has to be told that killing is wrong.  You just know it.  

With forgiveness......I don't think you have to ask God to be forgiven.  I mean if you think about it.........God already knows whats in our heart before we ask.   So....I think just wanting to be forgiven....and your truly sorry for whatever you did is enough.

So....if someone kills someone and they believe that all they have to do is ask and they'll be forgiven...I don't think it will work.   They have to be truly sorry to be forgiven.   Words are meaningless.....without the heart.  If you say "I love you" to someone in a mean ugly voice......do you think that they're going to give you a pleasant reaction?

Yes if you do get it surgically removed it will probably remove the neg attachment if it is a neg.  Before you do that however try this.  With a blue pen....draw a circle around the mole.  Then draw a cross inside the circle with the mole being in the middle of the cross.  I heard that from PPSD.  If it is a neg it will probably begin to shrivel up and then you can peel it off.  Give it some time though....it may take a few days to a few months.

Yeah....I heard of this plant.  When you hear of the experiences of people using this plant.....one things comes to mind....No Control.  You have absolutely no control over the experience.  I have heard of people turning into walls and trees etc.  I don't know about you guys but I don't feel like for my first obe....turning into a wall.

I just read Franks earlier post about focusing on the middle of your forehead (brow chakra).   What will happen when I do this?  The vibrations will come....then what?  How will I reach the astral?  I don't understand.  Could someone please enlighten me?  Thanks

Qui-Gon Jinn......hmm....where should I start.  Yes...you are right in some aspects....for one....No....I'm not an all-knowing creature.

Just take everything I say with a grain of salt.  I do understand what your saying that ultimately negs can't "hurt" us because we are spiritual beings etc.  But say for example someone has obsessive (sp?) thoughts about killing someone.  Now....this person has no idea that its actually a neg implanting those thoughts.  This person thinks its coming from himself and he thinks he must be evil.  Now....do you think that this belief that he must be evil does not damage him spiritually?  You really should read PPSD.  In PPSD Robert talks about a time when he had a full blown possession.  He was on the roof of a building and the neg took over his body.  The neg was going to throw Roberts baby off the roof....and then probably throw him off it too.  Now.....if this did happen....do you not think this would damage him physically, emotionally, spiritually etc.?  So yes....negs can damage us.

I mean its not a really good belief to have....but to me its true.  As for your statement....how do I know I have been overshadowed?  Well for one thing....it was completely out of the blue.  I just got up in the morning and suddenly.....I felt like killing everyone in sight.  I didn't "feel" like myself.  Later on that day I remembered Robert saying in PPSD that negs hate noise. Soooo.....I started banging pots and pans as loud as I could.  And suddenly this feeling went away.  I came back to my "normal" self.  I don't know about you but for me thats pretty strong proof that it was infact a neg.

I mean I guess in the higher dimensions/vibrations negs can't exist and therefore they can't hurt us....but down here in the physical dimension....yes....negs can ruin peoples lives.  I used to be like you dude.....I used to believe that negs can't hurt us etc....but now that I have experienced what possession is like....I changed what I believe.

Dude....its just makes you think where the hell is God....when negs can have the power to take over your body and wreak havoc.  I don't know about you but I do believe that we were created by some supreme being.  But I don't put my trust in him....rather I put my trust in myself.  If I put my trust in God that day when I got overshadowed....I would probably be dead.

"There is nothing so powerful as truth--and often nothing so strange."
-Daniel Webster

hey teejaybird.....welcome to the astral pulse!   People asking if your awake and hawling you off to hotels?  HAHA thats funny.....I remember my first lucid dream....it was REALLY cool.  I was downstairs and suddenly I "knew" I was dreaming.....it seemed MORE real than real life.  THAT was pretty cool.  After I became aware I was dreaming I started to hover over the ground.  BUT then I woke up.  

Good luck!

Hey Jeff......I thought about what you said.....and that is exactly why I want to have an obe.  Earlier today me and my dad were having a 'debate' on religion....and ofcourse I knew I was right....and my dad knew he was right.  But later on in the discussion we started talking about obe's....ofcourse I brought it up.  And basically I said why the hell should we debate about religion when the whole spiritual realm is ours to explore.  I mean why believe a 2000 year old book (bible) when you can find out for yourself if Jesus is real.  Catching my drift?  I mean why believe a book when you can talk to Jesus yourself.  Personally I don't believe in Jesus....but thats besides the point.  Jeff.....I'm just REALLY eager to learn and to grow......to experience......what its like in the nonphysical dimensions.   You must of had this strong desire that I have right now....because your an astral projector.  I would love to hear what motivated you to explore obe's.

I wish I could die and go someplace peaceful.  I'm really not thinking straight right now.   You can tell I still haven't slept yet.  The thing about suicide is that once you kill your physical body you might end up someplace worse than where I'm at right now.  And the worse part is if I do commit suicide I still might not be able to sleep. HAHA the irony.  ladaladaldalda  I feel like i'm in the twilight zone. ladadadada sleeeeeeeep i want sleeeeeeep  i wish i had a gun.  or better yet i wish i could take like fifty million sleeping pills. ladadadada

ahhhh....I CAN"T SLEEP!!!

silly human

That screaming yelling is very common when your on the verge to obe.  I'm not sure what its from though....thoughts anyone?

How exactly did the neg attack you?  Just curious.  Did it use any core images?  Have you read practical psychic self-defense?   Personally if I were you I would get some holy water and spray it around the house.  I think it was from fredhedd but he said he's been taking some garlic pills.  To me....that sounds like a good idea.  If you ever get bad vibes again....if I were you I would start banging some pots and pans together.  Negs hate noise.  Hmmm...I can't think of anything else....but yeah if you haven't read Roberts new book....go out and get it.  Its really fascinating...and useful.

Interesting....I never thought about negs influencing my dreams.   Thanks for the input.  

Yeah....screw all you negs....you can all rot in hell.

that sucks dude.....i'm clueless.

Next time your in sleep paralysis don't panic.  Concentrate on moving one big toe.  As soon as the toe moves the paralysis will end.

Welcome Jackr......Just remember obe's are natural.....it is as easy as you want to make it.

I plan on doing the interrupted (sp?) sleep technique tonight.  What techniques do you guys use to get out of your body?  Do you wait until your body falls asleep completely?   Thanks

Alpha.....so right when you woke up...you attempted to "phase."?  All you did was imagine yourself walking to the window etc.  I have a question.....were you looking out of your astral body's eyes or were you watching your astral body from a distance?  Is this all phasing is?  Thanks

Qui-Gon Jinn.....have you read practical psychic self-defense?  Trust me it doesn't matter what you believe....negs will attack for no reason.  Recently I've just been overshadowed(partially possessed) for no reason at all.  Not a fun experience.  In PPSD Robert talks about little children being overshadowed and them trying to kill their parents and crazy excrement like that.  I am sure that even if they had the belief that they are protected it wouldn't matter. Robert in PPSD even talks about babies being psychicly attacked......what about them I ask you? To me....since I have experience possession....I think what you believe that we  are protected is bovine excrement.  You just haven't experienced possession.  I hope you never do.  After I became possessed I've begun to doubt alot of my beliefs.  One belief that I got rid of....is that when I'm in trouble God will "save" me.   When I got overshadowed.....I had to get rid of the neg myself.

Mind control?  Hmmm....there's a nice thought.  I just don't see how someone can control your mind.  Even when I got overshadowed I still had control over myself. And I didn't "pray" for the neg to go away.  I just started banging some pans and pots....alot of fun.  I mean you could make the argument that hypnosis is mind control....but its not.  Even when people are under deep hypnosis....they still have free will.  They won't for example go out and mass murder people.  I don't think anything can take away free will.

That lady who wrote that article must be really sensitive.  Probably going to the movies and playing video games puts her into a light trance where its much easier for negs to influence her.  She shouldn't blame it on video games and the movies.  Because there are millions and millions of others where nothing happens.  That lady really should read practical psychic self-defense.

Oh yeah....I could feel a little electric vibrations in my hands.....but when I tried to make them stronger they went away.  Also when I was beginning to get REALLY deep into trance....I felt this heavy knot in my heart area....the first thought that came into my mind was that its a neg.  But....I don't know.

So again.....how do I induce the vibrations?

Did you get up to the part in psychic self-defense where Robert says to make a ball of light....about the size of a golf ball in your right hand and then you send it at the incubus.....when its traveling make it bigger and bigger and when it reaches the incubus make it explode on impact.  It sounds pretty cool....I haven't tried it.  Too bad you can't use pots and pans....they hate noise.  I think I would rather have an encounter with an incubus then being overshadowed.....being overshadowed sucks.

LoL

Obe's are the work of the devil.....