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I know what you mean.  I had an academic ask if I wanted to be tested and I didn't know what to do.  Part of me is excited at the idea and another part dreads it.  I mean you either come out a freak or a fool, there is no other option.

Still, it would be nice to know if all those things that have happened to me weren't just flukes.

I don't know, my life is pretty boring, not much better than being stuck in an underground dungeon really.  MMMmmmmm....might be interesting to get probed.[][]

Okay, thanks so much for taking the time out to answer my questions.

Lets do one, first.

The idea of multiple universes and BB(for short)theory.  When I saw them talking about multiple universes the first thing that came into my mind was, 'I wonder, are those other universes chaotically thrown about or are they organised?'.  In the graphics they used on the program it showed these universes aligned in a grid, in which case, surely it would suggest a plan/purpose of sorts.  

The other thought I had is 'if there is nothing before the BB, then how can there be other universes, except for the fact that our universe was the first to 'bang'?'  There can't be nothing if there are other universes.

The final thing to occur to me is that even if we were to get past all this and say that there are multiple universes, then within each universe there may very well be a divine purpose that we are not able to comprehend.  You see they were saying that some theorists who don't believe in a Divine explanation, could explain the organisation in our universe by saying it was just a luck of the draw that this universe had just what it required to produce life, while others didn't.  However, it seems to me that if we make life the centre of God's plan than it appears as if that is the purpose.  I mean maybe the purpose of this universe was nothing more than to develop rocks, heat and we are nothing but the byproduct.  Maybe, in another universe, it may be something different.  I guess what I am saying is in a clumsy way, how can we know what and if there is purpose.  There may be millions of universes, maybe each one has a purpose and maybe none have.  Maybe, what looks like purpose to us isn't but at the same time what looks chaotic has purpose.  Whats the old saying about there being logic in the madness.

Now remember simple English, I've been to uni but thats no guarrantee of intelligence.[]

I have had some communications with the people involved in this study.  There is a full transcript of the research paper through the internet but I have forgotten the address.  Use google.  

I agree that it is indirect evidence of an afterlife, however, science in its entirety is built on indirect evidence.  For example, first years in psych are taught to never talk in absolutes because all a test can show us is that the data 'seems' to support a hypothesis.  Even if an experiment is repeated many times over, any scientist of worth will talk of 'high probability' that something is so and not it is absolutely so.  Given this, why do we expect absolute proof from these studies?

I don't entirely agree with it as proof of an afterlife as I think there are other ways of thinking about it which involves quantum physics.  However, it could be exactly what they think it is, which is kind of nice to know.[]

Hi there,

Goodness its like I am looking in a mirror.  I also have this problem.  It has gotten so bad that I have started to see a therapist because of it.  I have given it lot of thought and for myself, it is a mixture of anxiety and depression.

My anxiety causes me to be mildly agoraphobic and socially phobic.  Nothing too major, I do get out but I have this sense of being uncomfortable until I get home.  Of course, this can occassionally bring me down.  Then I just can't move myself.  Its not that I don't know what I want out of life, its just that I don't seem to get myself moving towards that direction.  There is also a kind of sabotage thing about it as well since, I often set myself a task and there is a part of me that is p'd off with having to do this task.  It may be something I actually want to do, ie, a course, but I get annoyed that I then have to meet certain commitments.  So there is a kind of feeling of being trapped, so whats the best way to get out of things, sabotage yourself.  Afterall, if you don't want to do something, no one can make you.  Right?!

I don't know if that helps or explains anything or gives you any ideas as to why you may be procrastinating.  However, I do know that simply saying, 'just do it' doesn't work for me either.  I don't believe that you are not motivated or inspired, I think that there are competing motivations which are sabotaging you and if you can figure out what they are then maybe you can start to deal with the issue.

Have you seen a counsellor?  If you do, try and find a counsellor who can work at a deeper level with you.  I don't have anything against behavioural therapies, ie, cognitive behaviour therapy, but it is more of a 'just do it' type therapy and you sound like you need to find deeper reasons for why you are, the way you are.  Maybe try someone who has a psychodynamic, depth psychology, specialisation, for example, a psychoanalyst or Jungian analyst (if you want to focus on existential/transpersonal aspects).

Yeh, I have a background in psych studies, but it was easier to become a psych patient than a therapist! [] What can I say, I really get procrastination.  Take care and if you want to chat privately PM me.

I am probably risking expulsion here but anyway...

I saw a movie once about this DJ in America (where else!) who was really into talking about sex and other 'untouchable' topics on air.  This woman called in and said how she had not had an orgasm for a number of years.  His advice was to get her speakers, turn the bass full on, place them on the ground with speaker facing upwards and sit over the speakers while he made some silly vibrating noises.

Apparently, the experiment was successful!

[:O][:I] I really am a clown today.[)]

I can hear speakers around the world being screeched out of their place and dropped onto the floor as I write this.[:I][:I][}:)]

Hi there,

Ask Homer Simpson, he got a vibrating chair and he was transported to all sorts of other dimensions.[]

I am just being a [)]

I am hoping that you go and get yourself checked out by a doctor because you may have experienced what is called a transient or mini stroke.  My father is a stroke victim and only a couple of weeks ago he spent time in hospital because he suddenly experienced some weird things which sound similar to what you described.  Really, it could be anything, you could have had a kind of minipsychotic episode or brain damage or high blood pressure, all of which are common with marijuana/drugs and smoking.

Before you go looking for metaphysical reasons for your experiences you had better make sure it isn't physical reasons.  The kind that can send you on a metaphysical journey permanently![]

Goodluck

Thanks guys for the replies.  It was helpful.

I was asked a question, so I will answer here.

I kind of fell upon astralpulse.  I have been having weird experiences for most of my life but I kept them secret.  Then John Edward came onto TV which just sort of blew me away, not because he was talking to the dead but that he was admitting it[:O] and on international television!  From that time onwards I seem to be coming across people who are involved in mediumship, clairvoyance, etc.  Astralpulse was like one more site I happened to accidently come across.  To tell the truth, I don't even remember how I came across it.

Anyway, I guess for me it means a lot to have a site that I can go to to tell people of the latest weird thing to happen to me or about past experiences.  However, I like anyone else, need it to be a safe environment.  I am not going to feel safe enough to tell people stuff about myself if every time I open up a thread someone is attacking someone else.  I would expect most people would react that way also.

I have made a couple of contacts from here but I still don't feel safe here to express my thoughts or feelings openly.  Granted that I am responsible for how I feel but it sure would be nice if people showed some sensitivity towards each other.  I have said this before, you never know in life what effects your words may have on another person.  It may make the difference between someone living or dying, words can inspire courage or cause defeat.

I am new here so I am not about to tell anyone how to do their jobs.  I just want to suggest that if it is getting so destructive and it is happening repeatedly by a handful of people, then why not have a warning system.  I know of another site which only a few months ago banned someone because they were coming onto the site to pick fights with people.  The person just couldn't help themselves, they were given several chances to improve their behaviour but they just kept on hurting people and eventually they were banned from the site.  I am just wondering if something like that is in place here.

I don't know what the arguments are about as I am new here.  I just wanted to reply to the idea of offending and truth telling.

I think that people seem to confuse the truth with being offensive.  Every day we relate with others on various levels.  In some cases, something I need may not be met and then I have to tell the truth.  It may hurt or even offend the other person but truth necessitates it.

However, some people cause offense not because they wish to speak the truth, but they do so out of spite, hatred, internalised fears, rebellion, etc.  They may even use the truth but they don't use it in a decent and honest way but as a weapon.

For example, a teenager has a secret that they are suicidal because they are gay.  They finally pluck up the courage to tell their parents.  That is telling the truth and it may hurt and offend their parents.  The parents take it hard, they are in shock.  Words are exchanged.  The teenager turns around to his mother at one stage and tells her that she is the reason why he thinks of suiciding.  This may have some small basis in truth but it is not said out of the need to be honest.  It is simply uttered to hurt, to offend.

Of course, it is up to me to deal with my feelings of being offended.  However, you should also remember what it means about the person who offended.  If you say something which will no doubt hurt the other person and you do so not out of a wish for bring the truth out, it makes you someone who is cruel, insensitive, destructive, to put it plainly, a jerk, etc.  Beyond the issue of hurting someone else, we have to ask ourselves every time we open our mouths, 'is bullsh*t going to come out of my mouth'.  Is this the type of person I wish to be?  And how will life repay me?

I just tell them the truth.  

"My family's policy is to not purchase or give to charity from anyone who sells over the phone.  Please take us off your records."

I find it hard to lie.

My thinking exactly, I was too lazy to give such a good and detailed explanation.

I am sure I also see other combinations over and over as well, the only difference being the symmetry of the numbers 11:11 make them more noticable.

I can get superstitious but I try to be careful about my thinking and look for external facts.

If you go back two or three pages, you will find an entry about 11:11.  I also get it a lot, but I don't really place much importance on it.  Not really sure of what it means really.

Goodluck finding it.

[]  So need to come and so not possible!

Not unless I can come up with $3000 for travel and several more thousands to take care of the people I will leave behind.  

Okay, I am being negative today, I have to say it, life can so suck sometimes.

By the way, go Canada, as soon as life gets easier its one of the places I would love to go.

I did see some documentary style show last year by some scientist making the claim that there was some cataclysmic event some 10,500 BC and that there was water in Egypt, etc.  I think he was trying to make some point of aliens landing on earth, etc.  The usual.  

I saw a documentary this year countering his claims by other scientists.  These scientists say that in each astronomical chart he put forward to suggest that the various important sites around the world were aligned to demonstrate that something major occurred in 10,500 BC, were wrong.  One in fact was very telling.  It was the site of a set of small temples, think it was in Malaysia, Burma some place like that.  Out of some 60 possible sites, he had chosen a select few that followed, he claimed a similar shape in the stars and it then corresponded to 10,500 BC.  When confronted with this, he was obviously embarrassed and looking guilty.  All he had to say for himself was that his theory showed differently.  He didn't defend his theory or his thoughts.

He was seeing what he wanted to see and without serious research, either because he wanted to make a name for himself or he was deluded.  Or maybe both.

Moral of the story, always check with those who have opposing views before making up your mind.

I use to live in a convent building which had been converted to rent to the general public.  In my room there were two doors, one leading to a general corridor and the other to a verandah which overlooked the street below and at a distance the beach.  Very beautiful.  I use to see a light move from the corridor door to the verandah door and stay there for a while.  I finally got a story in my head that the nun who was in my room was concerned for the nun in the next room because the younger nun had become involved with a priest.  I thought nothing of it and lived with the light without any problem.

Then a friend of mine came to live in the same convent.  She had the room next to mine.  Despite the fact that we had never argued before we couldn't stop arguing once she moved in.  Eventually she told me that she was going to have the priest come in to do a blessing in her room and wondered if I wanted the same done to mine.  I asked her if there was a problem with her room.  She told me she felt that there was a ghost in her room that had been influencing her and causing our arguing.  I didn't mind but I was curious, I asked her if she could tell me a story about the ghost in her room.  That is when she thought of the ghost, did a story come with it.  She said yes.

She told me that the ghost in her room was a young nun who had been having an affair with the priest and the nun in my room who was older was concerned and constantly spying on her and trying to catch her out.  That because of that situation there was a kind of bitter arguing that had broken out between the two, with one trying to control and the other trying to rebel.

I was shocked to say the least.  She couldn't take it and left soon after.  I wonder if the nun did the same?[]

Noleafclover,

Firstly, an apology for coming on so defensive.  I have been negatively effected with some things over the last week on a spiritual level and its influenced my communications with people.

I agree with everything you have said.  However, I don't think that science should be abandoned.  Science as a method like all human endeavours does and will evolve.  I think science needs to be rethought and developed.  I only have basic stats from a psych course I did, but I know the stats they used 100 years ago is not the same stats they use now.  I mean most of it is but it has been extended, etc.  Because there is one method of knowing under the umbrella of science doesn't mean that eventually there will not be more ways of knowing that can be included under that umbrella.  Something people often forget is that the answers and quality of the answers we get in life often reflect the questions we asked and omitted asking.  Change the question or ask a particular question that would not have been asked and you may radically change the answer.

For example, I am not so sure that an afterlife does exist.  I have an alternative idea of what may be happening which involves the idea of time.  I am not a scientist but I have been thinking about this for a while now and if you are interested, I will send you my ideas.  Infact if there is a physics wiz out there then let me know.

I hope that one day a science will be developed which will be able to explain these experiences/phenomena.  My hope is that we will reach a point where there isn't a constant swing from religious beliefs to science and back.  I think it will occur when the premises we have in each, start to rethink and rework their dogmas.

I am really sorry to hear that you experienced such hardship in your life.  I hope you are experiencing better times now.

As to having that sense of a destiny.  I have had that experience as well.  It didn't come in some enormous way, just little things over the years, that have accumulated to indicate that there is something I am meant to be doing here.  I have been told by someone who is rather powerful with psychic, clairvoyant type abilities and without my asking about this, that if I opened to it and changed some things in my life, I had the potential to do spiritual/psychic things on a grand scale.  It was something of a shock to hear.

The thing though is to remember the words 'that if I opened to it and changed some things in my life'.  I think we all have the potential to be great but fear hinders us.  We hold on to what we know and brings comfort to our egos.  I am 40 now and can feel the passage of time and in a sense a bit of shame that I didn't have the courage to let go to that force or potential.  Don't do the same yourself.  Don't let a minute escape.  If you have a hint that Life wants more from you, then go for it.

Noleafcover,

In all fairness, there is scientific evidence for many of the things described here.  The problem is that the evidence is ignored or scientists are ridiculed, people who express that they have had these experiences are described as deluded individuals and charlatans.  No matter how rigorous the scientific methods, there is always going to be a reason why it just could not have been right.  And therefore, the constant cry of there being no scientific evidence.  You may like to know that there is a million dollar reward up for grabs for anyone who can prove that the scientific evidence gained through these studies is false.  Its on Victor Zammit's site.  I think its been there for three or four years now and no one has picked it up yet.

Now I am new to researching these issues, but I am looking at the various studies.  I would draw your attention for example, to the much publicised The Afterlife experiments by Professor Gary Schwartz.  I may be deluded but before I open my mouth and speak in absolutes, I plan on researching the topics.  There are a number of things that I have heard here and elsewhere that I think are wrong but I intend to keep an open mind.  For example, I think the stats in these scientific studies are showing that something is definitely happening but I am not so sure that I agree with the interpretations of what is happening.  Remember, the primary and golden rule of stats and science, never speak in absolutes.

So I think there is plenty of science to discuss here.

Nagual thanks for clarifying it.  You got it right.

Wisp, I was being sarcastic when I said 'slight indescretion' in relation to Micheal Jackson and child molestation.  I have actually worked with victims of abuse so believe me I do not take it lightly.  My comment was more in relation to how lightly the media take the situation and how fickle the media and public are.  

As for what Janet did on stage is nothing compared to what is available by the internet, like Nagual said.  What Janet did does not set women up for predatory attacks.  Infact quite the opposite because she is sexy, strong and in control - assuming the episode wasn't an accident.  I think the idea that women are only to be seen in the role of sexual victims is scary to me.  Women portrayed as good housewives to me is more threatening because, I come from a culture where women are primarily housekeepers and where men are the head of the house.  As much as I have fought it and educated myself, I am still unable to completely break from the suffocating role completely.  

I am saying this to you with respect and I do not intend it as patronising.  I get the sense that you are emotionally caught up with what I have written.  I don't know why.  Maybe you have a past which is painful and you feel like you need to be defensive.  If you want to talk, then PM me.  Honestly, I may disagree with you but I won't disrespect your right to your opinion - however, I may debate it to death, we Greeks love our debating.[]

All I can say is, the American people are lucky I wasn't on stage, if it had been me, I would have blinded someone![:O][:I][]  Come on people, its just a tiny little boob, not even a C cup!  Really, it can't hurt anyone.

Besides, surely the Jackson family have bigger reasons to feel shame at the moment!  Micheal must be breathing much easier at the moment, now that the media is interested in his sister's boob and not his slight indiscretion of paedophilia![]

As for this giving the green light to predators.  Respectfully, I can't agree with you on that point.  Firstly, the act was performed between adults irrespective of it being a stunt or accident, there were no children involved and the children who would have seen the boob for a split second would have not thought anything of it, not as much as the adults.  Secondly, I feel uncomfortable with the idea that women need to be protected.  If you don't mind, I will protect myself.  I don't need any male or establishment to do it for me.  There are always going to be predators, they exist irrelevant of what you show them.  What are women suppose to do, should women hide in houses, be chaperoned when they leave the house, all in the hope not to attract the predators?

I am not saying this in an aggressive way, I can understand where you are coming from.  I am also sick of seeing women portrayed as victims in the media but I worry more when I see repeated commercials about women who are smart in their cleaning and cooking chores while men are totally hopeless at home.  That is more worrying to me than a bit of flesh that we saw for a second, once.  Well, several times until some other Jackson stuffs up.

I knew you were venting which is fine by me cause I intend to do some of it myself ocassionally.  I just wanted to balance it a little though because I know there will be people here who have psych problems and who are looking for therapists.

As for bullying, I was constantly bullied at school for most of the years that I was there.  I don't think I have or ever will fully recover from it despite the fact that I have gone through counselling for it.  Bullying denies your right to BE.  It robs the person of a sense of safety, happiness, that feeling of being an okay person.  Because of the bullying I received, I still find it hard to be in social situations because I experience high levels of anxiety, etc.  

I think it is a horrendous way for any individual to act especially considering that we like to consider ourselves as responsible adults.  Personally, I think bullies are mostly people who have little insight or creative ability to deal with their own frustrations or variability in the environment/other people.  I have said it before on another board, if you don't think you have anything positive to say, that is something enlightening or respectful, then say nothing.  No one is forcing you to respond to posts.  Eventhough this is the net, the people here are real with real histories, pain, feelings, etc.  What you say may make the difference between someone having a good day or bad day but it may also make the difference between someone suiciding or holding on one more day.  You don't know.

Hope you are feeling better now that you have vented.[]

Yeh, it would be nice, I haven't visited all the forums here but I am sort of in a similar place.  I am not saying this to say that I am somehow superior or anything like that but I have done some uni studies and because of that I find that I need proof of things beyond just that it felt right, etc.  Its made me into a doubting Thomas which is I think preferable to just believing everything that I am told.  But that doesn't mean that I don't believe in OBEs, paranormal, etc, as I have also had a lot of experiences which suggest to me that there is definitely something going on.

A lot of the time I feel like the meat in the sandwich between science and religion because each side is so blinded to the other and I keep seeing value and validity in both.  If I defend something in science I get blasted by the spiritually/religiously minded, if I defend someone who is spiritual/religious, I get sniggering remarks by the scientists.

I think a lot of it has to do with protecting egos more than it has to do with protecting or defending truth.  Neither God nor science needs defending they eventually defend themselves, which begs the question of why are we attacking each other?

I have been catching the time 11:11 for as long as I can remember.  Did it twice yesterday!

I use to think there was some big omen thing happening, like I would die on that time, etc.  Superstitious stuff.

Now I think it means nothing more than the fact that it looks odd enough for me to notice.  I could be catching the clock more frequently on another set of numbers but because they aren't odd looking, I don't notice.

I like the idea of belonging to an enlightened group of people though, maybe I should change my mind.

I haven't read the post you are talking about but I totally agree with you that we should always respect other people's beliefs.  

For example, I have some differing views to some people here but I try to respect other people's views.  However, I am not really posting about that.  I wanted to reply to something you said about counsellors.  

I can understand why you may think a counsellor who isn't trained by the 'establishment' is probably a better one than one who has.  I have a background in psychology both within and outside the establishment.  I agree that there is something missing in the psychology that is taught these days at universities, however, things are changing and some departments are slowly becoming more aware of this.  

However, I think it is dangerous to say that science and the knowledge it brings has no value.  It has immense value however, it may be limited.  Given time and effort it will expand to include some of the experience often described in these posts.  Experience is important but so is knowledge.  I would hope that if a person needs a therapist they will seek the assistance of some who is both experienced and knowledgeable.  What is the alternative, see someone who has experienced a lot but has a childlike explanation or see someone who has read it all but has no internal experience of what is going on?

Let me show you an example.

Lets say you have a client that comes to see you.  They complain of anxiety and depression.  They go to sleep and in the morning they wake up to find that a couple of days have gone by with no memory of any events during that time.  Their furniture has been rearranged.

Without knowledge or experience which would you select...

a) Alien abduction.
b) poltergeist.
c) some form of sleep walking.
d) cheeky spirits playing tricks.
e) dissociative disorder
f) something I have not thought of.  Other.
g) all of the above.

Its knowledge and the experience which will make you a good therapist in the end, not one or the other.

Just my opinion.  Sorry for invading your thread, now please continue the debate.[]

Thanks for the offer but I find that I can be overly sensitive to energy manipulations.  I prefer the person to be physically there so I can direct it.  However, prayers are always welcome.

By the way, I love martial arts.  I have done Wing Chun and Tai Chi.  I gave it up a long time ago but I am thinking of taking it up again.

As for Dru, it would be better that you lit a candle and prayed for her soul.[]