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Have mentioned before that red shift is not related to the speed of stars relative to us, but some other cosmological factor.
Also I am reading a book by Mead on collective electrodynamics where he shows that our conception of the second law of thermodynamics is only half the story (2nd law = entropy (order) always decreases with time when looking at any complete system). Basically there is an existing level of order that things will always tend towards. SO the two founding principles of big bang, and indeed finite time universe, is ahhh in shaky waters!
Rob

Who says we reincarnate immediately? Just a thought. And many people say time is very very different in the higher planes, the more different the further you go. 2c.

I've done EVP and got positive results using a simple program that randomly rearranges wav files...so....um yeah! Interesting stuff. I want one which does visual as well tho! :p Then I can ask Tesla for ZPE generators plans!!

Rob

HHmm interesting

My own inclination has always been to build a spirit keyboard - except instead of using capacitors as keys like regular keyboards I would use a coil (one per key) with very thin wire and lots and lots of turns. Then I might want to keep a complete spectroscopic analysis running to check for electrical anomalies and their voltage range, to determine how to best step up the signal. Its possible that doing Bearden style opposing coil (ie picking up "scalar" compression) would increase the effectiveness, or maybe what would make a difference is pumping tiny square waves (as fast rise time as possible) through all the coils and looking for variations in output. Or both might be even better. Then leave it running with a big sign saying "spirit keyboard please use!" or something next to it.
I think this one could well work - am pretty sure I've read accounts of astral projectors being picked up on sensitive electrical equipment, and know people pick up other various entities all the time. A read some other account of another group trying to make a spirit keyboard but then everything went suspciously silent!
Well anyway, thats how I would do it   . Gonna give it a go???!! Go on.....you know you want to!

Speaking of ORMUS, its is an interesting one, but I am not sure how you could engineer it in? Not to mention the difficulties involved with getting reasonable quantities of the stuff pure. I dont know how miessner fields are measured, perhaps you could watch that and check for fluctuations. As has been mentioned in many ways this could be ideal since ormus is 4/9ths or whatever it is in the astral already. But I'd still start with coils!

Rob

Hhmm surprising. Yes "Philosophers Stone" is a particular strain of mushroom from Holland I believe, very nuggety, very spiritual effect (tears of joy, enveloped in love etc etc - quite amazing) <caugh>

But to get to the original point, wasn't the philosophers stone able to provide immortality as well at metal transmutation?
<cau(ORMUS!)gh>

IMO there are many different ways of looking at the issue, from an actual substance to a spiritual metaphor - of course that will be the case with such an obviously esoteric subject which has survived mostly through mystic tradition and a few dusty books. Which makes things tricky. Now that doesn't mean the mean the metaphorical ideas have nothing to them, and it also indicates that we should keep an open mind to the literal interpretation. IMO, of course  

Rob

First its because we dont know enough about real neurons to simulate them much better

So how does attaching a load of computers together help? Apart from speed? If you dont know, you dont know.

true, but that doesnt mean it has a chance bigger than .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of having life

Doesn't mean it doesn't either way. If you want to speculate we can all throw random runbers around, maybe we could input them

I dont see why it should have to think similarly to brains. I'm not trying to make it think like us

Neither am I but surely its a good idea to draw conclusions from the only true specimen you have, if we're talking hypothetical here and all.

Then when I learn what they are, I'll add simulations of those layers as new parts to build AIs with

I think you are missing the point, but then that rests on belief. You are thinking in terms on numbers and code to simulate, personally I prefer to look directly at the source of our consciousness and observe it with the best tools I have and then make conclusions about its nature. There are always opposing intellectual viewpoints, but as far as I can see they are only just that.

There are a few random number generaters that use radioactive decay rate (affected by quantum things) to generate numbers, but they charge money for those numbers.

Yes, and there are many other ways, even the dripping of a tap is essentially chaotic. And I've built codes that obey simple laws but do different things every time, seemed chaotic. Its just a thought, one way I want to explore some day. It might even cyborb, very unintrusively, thought I'm not so interested in that, it could be useful.

Would be hard for a soul to keep track of exactly where in a computer (or many comps across the internet) software is. It could easier control the CPU since that doesnt move. Its possible.

Spacial coordinates dont seem to be the issue, its the structure and frequencies IMO.

Rob

Fascinating Beavis!! I have heard of people making neural network computing for AI generation but didn't think we had a programmer here doing it! Cool. What I have often wondered is how do you set up the neural network, and why is it better than simply simulating one? Is it just processing power?
Please do keep us updates on the work you're doing, I'm intrigued!
My own perspective on building an AI is that, given any sufficiently complex system, life will be able to manifest in it, in exactly the same way as it does in the brain, but I dont think that means that life starts and ends there, I still see the brain as a kind of antenna, with many of the critical functions hidden on other layers. Therefore, it might make sense, when you are building these systems, to add in some sort of totally random generator from eg a quantum source. Although how much it matters is debateable - experiments to detect mind/matter interacting are very strange and dont seem to depends necessarily on the equipment used. But there has to be a mechanism that works best, in our head, which is extremely complex, so maybe it'll appear on its own as the computing systems increase in complexity. Be interesting to find out! I assume you are building in random components anyhow?
Also the thought of building a thought form construct and binding it to the AI mechanism, has kept my wondering for a long time now  

Rob

Hey Doug! Thanks for all that, I'd love to be able to discuss it with you, but I'm just too damn clueless on these things!
so cheers!

I know RB says he has, though I think that was on the forums before this one so I dont think I can find you a link. It was pretty funny cos someone got up tight with him saying its dangerous, and he said along the lines of "yeah well I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you go to the police with that one!" lol!
But he's aussie so there was probably nobody within a hundred miles at the time

Rob

All depends on the rates at which they were being accelerated due to gravity really dont it....

Ach, what am I saying, those "yogic fliers" are bloody hilarious!!    For people here outside of the UK, we actually have a political party called "natural law party" who promote "yogic flying" in their party political broadcasts!! How they expect that will make people take them seiously I dont know, or perhaps the point is that people then dont take them seriously? But they do promote some other coolness like the maharishi effect, which IMO is quite valid.

ANYWAY! Human levitation is definitely possible, I've know some totally trustworthy people who have seen it (no bouncing involved!), and experienced some kooky stuff myself.

Rob

Veeeery interesting. So Doug, how do you see the kabalah and its root fitting into all this, did that come from Sumeria too do you think? A lot of people think kabalah come originally from Egypt (got a mate researching this at the moment)(and before that Atlantis...), in which case they would have taken it with them when they left with Moses. Or maybe I am getting Israelites and Hebrews muddled up......weren't they different back then?
cheers!
Rob

Patapouf:

This is the reason why there are ''limits'', you can't calculate or ''measure'' something if you do not set boundaries. Example: it is impossible to find coordinates if a person is in a infinitely wide astral plane

hhmmm interesting....but the physical is, to all extents and purposed (and, honestly, there is little to disprove this), infinite, yet we still have reference points. OK so in the absolute sense you cannot specify coordinates since there is infinite on all sides therefore coordinates are impossible, but you can always start somewhere. For instance, in the astral, there already appears to be a mapping system in place (re: astral plane surface structure). Interestingly, RB wants to create a complete map of the astral some day!!

Caco:

It certainly was funny. I was studying math for an exam, and when I gone to sleep I had such dream. I've not seen anything in it, it was also not verbal, there was only a function, but existing on a different level of thinking. I could "feel" and fully understand it, it's hard to describe in words...

Very nice! Exams do get right into you head huh? You must've been revising like a real demon!! (yeah terrible I know sorry....lol)
Have you ever had the experience of waking up and seeing text scrolling past your minds eye, during times of heavy learning? I've had that a couple of times, and RB has noticed it to. I would love to hear from anyone else who has.

btw apologies if I was a bit harsh in laughing at you before, I can be so impulsive at times! Anyway, sorry!

peace

Rob

Caco:

" connection of energy body to fibronacci sequence" is a mathematical statement so there should be mathematical proof for it or it'll be just a pointless statement.

I disagree (betcha couldn't see that one coming???! hehe). Experiencial and observational proofs are the best you're gonna get, and quite valid, especially in a place like this.

This way you could also say that sciencists get their ideas from aliens, but don't want to say that in public, so their reputation will not be destroyed. Both of these are claims without evidence.

Yup, my point was we dont know, so trying to back someone into a wall by demanding proofs is unfair.

Even I sometimes have dreams that are not based in physical reality, but are all about mathematical equations.

wow, cool!!!! Tell us about them, sounds fascinating!

Rob

So, whats the equation for computing the intensity of chi-energy?
How would you calculate the coordinates of your astral location?
How many times higher is the frequency of buddic plane from that of astral?

Well, maths and physics is worked out by....mathmaticians and physicists! Who for the most part have not applied themselves to this problem. I am, however, of the opinion that one day they will and it will yield to analysis.
Infact, this has already begun. Tom Bearden, in his book uuummmm "Excalibur Briefing" does give a differential equation which he claims governs the movements of chi-type energy. Also wilhelm reich made good headway in understanding the dynamic movements of orgone, and a lot of the stuff I mentioned in my last post could be linked to this (chi - ZPF and vortex connections for instance).
Second question - no idea! In terms of frequencies (infolded etc) and 3d coordinates I suspect.
Third q - probably logarithmic and with discreet steps

I wouldn't be surprised if you find these questions stupid and are laughing on me.

Naa!! As you can see they are questions I take quite seriously. But I also realise that our current level of understand is way too limited to go around demanding absolute mathmatical proofs.

But hopefully I conveyed the point that only physical plane yields to mathematical analysis.

Well, as you can see, my opinion differs!!

Its a different matter altogether that you chose to support the "claims" of someone you know for whatever reasons

I dont know catherine, my interaction with her has been limited to a couple of posts, no more. I was not trying to support anyone, merely point out the unerasonably-ness and flaws in cacos post.

Rob

Not all that sure what you mean here, I would love an elaboration.

By definition the universe is the only possible plane of reference to measure any absolute velocity.....

Rob

Hey!!

But I must re-iterate, in that I really am intrigued as to what led you to this interesting idea;

Well, first I heard an interview on unknown country with a physicist elucidating these point, which made me sit bolt upright with a "wha?!!?" (first I find out evolution is full of holes and now red shift!! What next eh? Can I trust anything I was taught in school???!! lol!). Then I did a little bit of my own research which seemed to confirm that yes, red shift was in trouble. I actually just did another look for info on this topic, this is a fascinating article:
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/redshift.html
The quantisation phenomenon is obviously a huge blow for expansion universe theory proved by red shift.
.....but to more fully answer your question I suppose I am also quite bias against the majority view!!!  

I suppose singular examples such as the binary star system can be questioned with the proposition of a revolution about the some changing axis between them, where although the rotational motion toward us by one of the stars is greater than the total translational motion away from us, it is cyclical, and only the translational motion has relevance as to the speed at which the binary system moves away from us.

Hhhm I am not sure I fully understand you here, so forgive me if I dont hit the mark. Only the immediate relative velocities count, that being the addition of total binary system velocity and rotational velocities. Oops I think I forgot to mention that the one of the stars observed in the binary systems was a quasar (err from memory anyway!). Quasars are very powerful stars which exhibit huge redshift, hence by conventional theory they should be on the edge of the universe, a creation of certain big bang conditions. However, if a quasar is in a binary system with a star that exhibits much less red shift, then the rotational speed of the system would have to be unfeasibly high to cancel the total velocity for the un-red shifted star, and allow red shift to be valid. Further, quasars are to the best of my knowledge the most red shifted of all stars - but if what I think you are suggesting is correct then we would also see the opposite of one star being not redshifted, that is, binary systems with quasars in and the other star having an additional red shift the same but above the difference in red-shift from the system we were just considering, which i am sure is not the case (make sense???). That is, instead of having a quasar and a little-redshifted star together with shift difference, say, -x, we would see a quasar and another star with red shift +x over the shift of the quasar.
Also, quasars have been found at the center of galaxies exhibiting very little red shift (cant be on the other side of said galaxy - think gravitational lensing, it would be blatent...)
There's more, but I think that should suffice! btw the research I mentioned that was done in the 70's and started this whole questioning of fundamentals was by "William G. Tifft", just found him again   .

Yes, I suppose you are entirely right upon this point, however when we judge velocity, I suppose it must invariably be from a reference frame, rather than from absolute, concrete measurements

Ahhh yes, indeed velocity is a vector quantity already so it cannot be anything other than relative (doh!)(unlike speed which is scalar and therefore, as I think you are pointing out, a very human concept).

we cannot determine the velocity of the universe

You might want to review this sentence!!!  The definition of the word "universe" is important

or the expansion or contractions of time-space (even Hawkings makes this allowance, after-all!)

Me no understaaaaand!! Space-time is the very basis of measurement, surely? That is, if a 1m length of space time expanded, it would still be 1m, and so the very concept of "expansion" becomes invalid.....?!

I appreciate your insight, and feel you have a firm grasp of your concepts.

Anytime - I appreciate being able to discuss it!! But to be perfectly honest, thinking about the physics of red shift does make my head hurt a bit!!    

cheers

Rob

Woooooooow wild indeed!!!!!! That must have been amazing, I would love to have seen it!!
Yes, I saw and experienced some pretty cool stuff in the Falklands. We used to go for walks regularly, something the islanders never do - infact there was only one lady and her daughter who ever used to go walking around Stanley, so for the most part there was nobody around. Which completely agrees with what you were saying about magick working best in the country. I used to love letting my mind and energies play off and become the air energies, in much the same way as I imagine the elementals do - I love the wind. On one occasion, I ran on ahead and lay down in the white grass and diddle-dee bushes, and directly above me there was a perfect, thick line, equiliateral triangle formed from cloud which then quickly dissipated with the wind. Triangle being the symbol of manifestation and the elemental kingdom, I believe? I think they were saying "HI!" to me, but any other interpretations would be welcome! It was, without a doubt, one of the most impressive things I've ever seen.

Anyhow, thanks for the reply, yup, it answered my questions!!  

I have a website now called www.hermeticuniversityonline.com where I will be sure to answer questions

lol sorry, I'll try to remember in the future!

all the best

Rob

Dude yous post is full of assumptions and innacuracies.....catherine I hope you don't mind me fielding this one! Sure you wont  

Also math has nearly nothing to do with nature. In nature nearly everything is partially random, and in math nothing is random.

Say wha?? Whether things in nature are random is hugely debateable. Quantum shows us probabilities but apparent random-ness on this scale his little, if anything, to do with the macro-world of nature. I mean its pretty tricky to apply Schrodingers Cat theory in reality - the cat knows damn well where it is and will make sure everyone else does too!! But I jest. Thats the biggy in quantum interpretation, whether its truly random or just appear so due to out lame probing techniques. As Einstein said in that famous debate:
"God does not play dice" to which Bohr replied "who are we to say where God places his dice?". When you have two of the biggest giants of physics in the last century at heads on a topic like this, your certainty in yourself is......um.....

Besides, maths is our way of describiing nature, and it seems to do such a damn good job.....oh yeah and maths can describe probabilites (random) quite adequately too....

There's also no proof of connection of energy body to fibronacci sequence, and if there is, show it to me.

Proof? You mean mathmatical proof of something relating to the energy body? ROFLMAO good luck!!!!
Anyway.....I can give examples, would that be acceptable do you think?
All through nature. Sea shells, plant growth, etc etc etc etc.......etc.......etc....just google is FFS. In brief, in nature growth follows these sequences to harmonise themselves with the natural movements of energy.

Other research which has been done on the direct connection between fibonacci sequences and the movements of energies is in a book called "The Golden Vortex" which is crazy cool. Highly recommend, but only if you've got a seriously open mind...

Other examples of spirals (perhaps fibonacci) being crucial include:
- Beltrami force free vortex
- Russian tosion fields
- Need I go on?

Physics was also researched without help of any spiritual entities, if it isn't so then show me the proof.

Are you actually serious in all these "show me the proof" statements, or are you just trying to sound clever and shut Catherine up?
Besides, do you honestly think any respectable scientist would jeopardise their career and work by admitting it was given to him by spiritual entities? The very idea is ludicrous. Further, most scientists are 100% switched off to this stuff, so any entity that did want to help through these things would probably have to do so through subconsicous channels. Still, the best we have in the public domain is the discoverer of DNA and his dream about snakes.

Courage and compassion are taught by parents/life, not spirits.

What gives you the right to say that? Besides you've wrong, I've learned important lessons on these thigns and more from both my parents and various entities, both dark and light.

It's not true. I think that Angels are just too proud to communicte with people, they consider human race unworthy

I have never met an Angel, but from the above statement its obvious that neither have you. However, some people have, such as RB, and I feel quite confident he would not agree with you.
Angels are high spiritual beings, the concept of them turning their nose up at us is very low and IMO quite silly. The reason they dont communicate so much is more likely so that we dont come to rely on them - we are, after all, here for a reason, and no doubt they know this very well too. Conversely, if you read RB's account of the high spiritual world you'll see he saw plenty of angels there, which would indicate interaction.

Come on Caco, I'm sure you're both more intelligent and less arrogant than your post makes you out to be! I guess we all have bad days       .

Rob

Hey, Nita!

I'm really inteested in the elemental kingdom, got a few q's for you if thats OK?! I seem to remember, I think it was in Bardons book IIH, where he talks about how elementals are not immortal, but that a practitioner of a sufficient level can make them so. Would you agree with this? It seems...odd to me, doesn't sit "entirely" right. Surely, being energy creatures, they dont have lifetimes like ours?

Also you mentioned how elementals in the desert are not as agitated and stronger. My experience of elementals in the Falkland Islands was similar (practically no pollution there at all). Anyway, I was wondering if you knew how much human pollution and etc has an effect on them? Chemtrails and etc also. I would imagine large, but can they really be hurt, even destroyed by it do you know? Surely they can just alle off to their respective astral kingdoms if they like?

all the best
Rob

Indeed! Personally I wil be convinced when a spirit is able to lucidly and fully communication the working principles of the zero-point field or resonant healing. Either would be acceptable!!!!! And either would have the effect of massively reducing human suffering....I'm not holding me breath though

HHHhhhhmmmmm.......why would they transmit their message in French??!! And if it was done in French, then why not also make eloquent copies in every other language on the planet, since they are obviously so linguistically competant?

I think the bit at the top about it not mattering who wrote the text is telling, the author seems to be quietly justifying himself.

Still, be pretty cool if a whole fleet of UFO's turned up. Sure would make my day - that is, if they didn't then go around surgically extracting body parts from people like they do from cattle. That's be a real cramp.

LOL! Oh well thats interesting anyway. Of course it could me a little more complex, ie a combination of factors.

btw I get the same as you with the freaking out. If I experience a sensation or some sort of state of being, I can usually reproduce it later at will. This included the OBE trigger reflex for a while, I could put myself in a trance then hit the "button" and bam! vibrations all over etc. But something deep in my mind freaks out, heartbeat through the roof, uch.....V annoying!!

Rob

Personally I agree with Aldous Huxley when he said that the mind does not collect and impart information, its job is infact primarily to reduce the amount of information available (to the conscious mind).
We are all already deeply telepathic; the only thing that is stopping you accessing it is how well integrated, ordered, open and trained etc your mind is.

Oh I also agree with Bruce Lee when he said that consciousness is the biggest obstacle to action. It will get in the way with telepahy, the trick is to let things flow on their own. You need to not try, while at the same time observe - the more you want to do it, the more energy you put in, but at the same time the more you block that energy. Its paradoxical but thats psychic abilities for you. Generally they open up in sequence naturally to your state of spiritual development, ie you have to understand and KNOW the above to use certain high psychic abilities. Well, thats how is seems from my observations anyway.

hope you find this interesting!

Rob

OK there are 3 options that I can see:

- Medical problem called Tinnatus, your doctor should be able to tell you whether there is something wrong or not. Except you live in the US so the latter is unlikely and his advice will cost, ahh if only you were British!

- You are hearing higher spiritual stuff - this is fairly common I know with people who injest ORMUS materials, but in your case maybe not, since you find the sound annoying. I suspect if you were hearing higher spiritual harmonies it would be like music resonating to your soul.

- It is an effect caused by local energy fields. I have read about this - have you been travelling a significant distance from where you live since the ringing started, and if so did it stop? Do you know anyone else in your local area with it? And a bit of a random one (humour me   ) - are people in your local area experiencing lots of joint problems (errr the medical kind that is, not rolling skilz inadequacies  ) eg lots of people with, say, hip or knee replacements? The author who talked about this in one of my books lived near the canadian border, cant remember where exactly, but wherever it was they grew a shed load of apples!!

Rob

Indeed yes! The red shift, well the best analogy I've heard is if a train is speeding past you the pitch will change, due to compression of sound waves coming toward and expansion going away due to the relative effect of the trains velocity adding or subtracting from the speed of sound. Frankly though I'm beginning to have doubts even about the fundamental physics of red shift, ie if its possible at all. Its a difficult question, and very much depends on which model decide to use for the propogation of light. Typically, we talk about this in relativistic, lorentz invariant terms, but there are other models which take into account the source of light as well as the observer. What that would do to red shift....?

Behind the times? Naa!! I only heard about this a year or so ago, but the most suprising thing is that the most meticulous research disproving red shift was done years ago - 20-30 I think. I cant remember the researchers name - you might be able to find it through google or whatever.

You say that the red-shift is no longer evidence of expansion? Or is it simply that red-shift cannot tell us accurately about velocity?

Well the latter leads to the former, doesnt it? But just a teeny tiny correction to what you said - it is, of course, relative velocity not velocity   (aaah I'm so pedantic!!!  )

laterz