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[HALLOW ARE THE ORI]

yes i understand that, and you are free to ask whatever questions you like (of course). this thread will get off topic (per usual). i only wanted to make a point about ethics. they're only honest in application. if someone is dying from natural or un-natural circumstances, and will still practice their code of ethics to the end...then i guess that's worth something, but as far as gaining insight from the answers...i don't think most people are truly honest with themselves so how do you expect them to be honest with you? most people will say what they "think" the other person wants to hear. anyways...there are pedophiles out there that are vegan, bcuz they don't like harming animals, and wife-beater that worship their dogs with loving kindness, and corporate ceo's that will screw anyone to make a profit, but still preach about their charity offerings. people naturally try and put their best foot forward in unfamiliar situations.

anyway...back to the pranic vampire trend. it's a pyramid scheme. there's a reason they "need" to feed...bcuz they're being fed off of, and so on. up the line to the pranic ceo's.  

HALLOW ARE THE ORI

my questions stand.
easy questions aren't worth answering. substance is what i'm after, and from the heart. actually the question is what carries the weight. the answers are useless to me. the point is that vampires are service-to-self creatures, there are no ethics. ethics are rules for role playing games like religion, politics, members only clubs, and closed communities...and this forum.

this thread pops up every now and again by people in need of attention. not that i have a problem with that; gothika is "special", but not in the way she believes. her power doesn't come from outside, from others, from afar.

psychic vampirism is a trend, a market, nothing more. like hip-huggers, and martini bars. it's not a path to ascension. sorry, but it's not.

[WORK]

in response to nay:

i can relate to your concern. there is somewhat of an epidemic when it comes to people "hooked" on drama, and manifesting an environment that's conducive to that addiction. there are usually some deep seeded issues that need to be addressed...although i never suggest psychiatrists as a serious option.

I've had my share of the darkness and the minute I confronted it and said no more, that was it. Why do some people seem to never get past it?? Because they don't want to.. they are consumed by it.

as reformed smokers can be the most judgmental and harsh, so too w/ those that have been attacked at one time or another and are "better" now. they forget how bad it was, how terrifying and confusing it can be. not all situations are the same. not everyone has what these so called "neg's" are after...i'm not sure if that's good or bad?!? maybe y'all are just empty???  

personally for me it's very different from most (bcuz i know you don't truly understand where i'm coming from) there is no FEAR in my situation.
the above concern you have can be equated to some dark and dangerous ghetto. "good/healthy" people don't cross the tracks and go into that part of town. if they find themselves there by accident...they simply turn around and leave...and any intelligent person is going to question why in the hell anyone would "choose" to live there.
in this respect i guess i could be thought of as a "red beret". there are a LOT of people who need some help getting out (whether they ended up there voluntarily or against their will)(some don't even realize they're there). i also work a diplomatic role and do a lot of "hostage" exchange and negotiation..but that's another thread.

i do what i can, but i think we share the same feelings when it comes to that "entrenched" addiction. i'm not going to waste my energy helping those that i know don't want to leave, nor am i going to carry someone out who is completely capable of walking out themselves. i will try to keep tabs on them and let some light in where i can, bcuz there's always hope, and things always change, but i am getting quite sick of "victimization" across the board, astrally, emotionally, physically, mentality, etc. there's too much work to do...to sit around and listen to someone "talk" about their misery. people need to start grabbing hold of their power.
still, i will ALWAYS lean towards the idea that those that survive the long term attacks (who live in the ghetto long enough)(whether self inflicted or genuine) still end up being the strongest of all...once they come out the other end.

those that WORK their way through the ENTIRE gauntlet being far more flexible, resourceful, and fit to wield the full spectrum of their powers. notice i said "work".

as for actual "help" with attacks...i don't think either AP or AD is of any use at all whatsoever. just being honest. the mod signature at AD should be a mandatory, "have you bought the book?" then they could spend more time sharing personal experience in PSD...or maybe like here they don't have much to offer

soul

dear gothika,

of course most people that believe themselves to be vamps, choose to believe that they're pranic...bcuz it sounds more noble, more mysterious.
but it's all the same thing. of course there is a natural exchange always taking place as you said, but this thread isn't about that...it's about establishing some twisted justification for the function of victimized parasites. that's sounds harsh, but i can't think of another way to put it. i have shared company quite often with genuine vampires and never have i witnessed them bothering to "explain" their function to their food.

particular questions then...i have for you.

1)what is the "exchange" taking place for you personally? you're sitting across from someone in a coffee shop and sipping away on their vital energy...what are giving back???
and
2)at point are you/would you be willing to throw your code-of-ethics out the window? because when it comes right down to it, it is indeed only service-to-self we are talking about here, and i'm curious how desperate a pranic vamp has to become before all is fair game???

secondly from my personal understanding...children are extremely hard to feed off of, mentally disturbed & elderly are too contaminated/their energy too diluted, and as for deep feeding...it is in no way pleasurable without consent/self-sacrifice...because of the anxiety/fear hormones that well in the process otherwise. it's all much easier to skim the cream from the top and move on to the next.

i think it must be a terrible position to put ones self in where they have enough intelligence to justify, but at the same time can't release the guilt associated with their need.

i have more compassion for a wolf who stands up as a predator, then a parasite in sheep's clothing, but that's just me. i'm sure there are some out there that would find that ploy intelligent and intriguing.

no need to apologize to me. i've been guilty of the same.

the self-defense area is tricky. so many emotions, so many ideas, such a lack of energy most of the time, and focus. the only thing you can really work with is your intuition/your heart. as long as your speaking from your heart center...there's no need to be sorry. nothing wrong with tough-love, but sometimes this forum can have a gang-mentality, and be sarcastic and trite with sensitive issues...and we need to keep each other in check bcuz we function so much better "above" that.

i myself am growing a little tired of coddling, and giving into that idea that i should be gathering information, or doing remote work to help those that aren't helping themselves...sometimes the best thing i can do is not respond to certain posts. sometimes the worst thing i can do is give advice.

all in all no harm done. i thought it was very interesting that bruce lee wrote and said the whole thing was worth while, bcuz it led him somewhere more productive that he probably wouldn't have wound up otherwise. so it all comes out in the wash!

peace
333

[because a lot of what they place value on, and build themselves up to be is exterior]

your right. too much work to do to bother defending myself. maybe i was the one that jumped in too soon?!? i must be clear again with the idea that i work with both the light and the dark, with integration. integrating, weaving, patterns, waxing and waining. one foot in both realms and deciphering crap as best i can. i'm no different than anyone else...i just can't afford to get trapped in either spot.
for me, there are people to work with on both sides (for helping to expand minds). most people think that only people who dabble in darkness have problems, and this is where many people "begin" to misunderstand me...the katrina victims are a good example of exactly what i mean about people in the "light" getting struck. they aim for something far off and lofty, they work to maintain their positions and dream hard of moving up, but they can miss the basics, the fundamentals...and when the excrement hits the fan...they wind up in very dark places because a lot of what they place value on, and build themselves up to be is exterior...when they lose that they are just as much in the darkness as those who don't try at all. it's important to me that people keep it real (whatever that means) = i guess remain as grounded as possible...but i'm explaining myself again, which is just as bad as defending myself and anyway...

i give!

i have no idea what's going on here...really.
and as for codemaster i can't handle people that use their energy to make things more confusing than they already are and them blame me for not being able to relate. gotta meet some beings half way.

love/light/warm fuzzy bunnies and all that
soul

[you look at me and say a lot more than nothing]

again...amazing.
where do i start? should i even bother??
this entire post has gone into a tail spin.


orionsdream: what was being requested was advice, not opinion...there is a difference. there is a tendency to jump on posts here, where i feel people may be bored/looking to contribute, and throw out one of the typical responses, without "feeling" what is needed. attacks range from complete, full-on possession (legitimized by the vatican and all) all the way to drug induced psychosis and those more in need of attention & love than anything else. one time attacks, short term, and yes long term...that leads to endearing titles such as Queen of Possession, and then there are personalities and emotional levels...that all determine how each situation be approached and handled...but of course that's only if one is truly interested in being of service to another, and not just posting for the hell of it.

as for making fun of the name bruce lee...i'm not going to bother with that one.

nay:

Circe: nothing to say except that there is one person here that has just as much experience as robert bruce when it comes to attack and psychic self-defense. thirty years makes me more qualified than most to comment.

and dear IequalMC2: i'm not sure what to say?!? how to code it correctly. i have to be honest and say i'm a little confused. you look at me and say a lot more than nothing...whatever did i do to offend u? 3's??? i missed your post...the one you gave a link to in "protecting yourself from your past"...i just read it and it was very enjoyable. i sense you are in a deep state of discomfort, and i'm sorry...and i hope you the best in sorting things out slowly and methodically. i would encourage you to move slowly as well when it comes to sensing who you can trust, who you can't, and who couldn't care less. seems that function might be somewhat reversed from what i've seen. hope it helped to get all that off your chest whatever it was that was suffocating you. ps...i never stopped treating you nice!!!
the mirror reflects the opposite.

333

my oh my what a warm, helpful group this has turned out to be. really sad.
i could go on, but it really isn't worth the energy. shame on you guys. you should know better. if you can't find the energy to take a moment and say something constructive...&/or share any first hand knowledge that might be of benefit...why do you even waste your time?!? and don't bother telling me those posts were constructive. certain people at this forum never cease to amaze me in the negative.

dear brucelee, there are other forums that are much more supportive, with experienced practitioners that can actually look into your situation and give you an idea of what's going on and how to deal with it. some that specialize in depossession as well. i will PM you since it is obvious that thread will be going nowhere except down that slippery, slimy ladder into the dark annals of manipulative uselessness.

beware
333

ps.........smiles @ http://www.mysmilie.de/english/green/smilies/kaos/

i'm not going to analyze the dream, but i will suggest that you try doing something different in it...'cuz it kinda seems like that movie "groundhog day" where it was always the same until bill murray starts reacting differently.

what if you didn't pick up the gun, since you mentioned that it's unlike you to use a weapon. try dancing, or chasing them instead and acting crazy, or flying out of there, or turning the gun into something else?!? just ideas.

soul

dear elijah,

  ignorance is bliss. i think you're seeking a definition. a google search will retrieve much on this subject. there are several, various types of shadow people, but a simple explanation would be a lower astral being that hovers in between the astral and the physical. they're predatory beings in a sense, but their missions are usually recon based. they're stalkers/informants plain and simple.

this is truly not the experience you are seeking. at this point in time i feel the so called "shadow beings" are everywhere. they're watching you now, but have no need to interact or make themselves known at this time. ask and you shall receive (of course), but it's along the lines of selling your soul to the devil, or welcoming vampires into the house. once you initiate contact you pretty much lose control on your end. i suggest doing some ol' fashion ghost hunting if you're just interested in a good scare. tape recorder for evp work, cemeteries on full moons...that sort of thing. if you're interested in befriending shadow people, you're someone with a desire for the dark arts, and there is MUCH to learn first, before any conjuring/summoning beings!!!

333 be careful what you wish for

i tend to agree. in that i think it's just another (and good/simple) example of how we all get stuck in the physical & implied blend of it all. i always wonder that (a lot )...that if you could raise kids on an island, without any outside interference whatsoever. if you told them that eating bananas made them hold their breath longer under water, or that crabs spelled out secret messages in the sand if you looked at them long enough, or...that the beautiful little songs they sing get carried off by the wind and grow into colorful parrots. stuff like that. all the things that could be made possible, if we weren't instilled with all the stuff that's not possible. RULES SUCK!

anyway...there are people turning up here and there that are professing themselves to be "breathatarians" as "someone" already mentioned. i think that would reconfirm the idea that nothing is really good or bad. if you can live off nothing. you can live off anything. i've heard of people that have smoked their entire lives and drank heavily, and upon autopsy had the insides of a healthy twenty year old. pink lungs, etc. the mind is way powerful thing!!!

sooner than we think, they'll pushing kibble on us. purina people chow! right now it seems silly, but give it five years, with global warming, the economy, monsanto, genetic-modification and the rest...and there might not be any "real" food left...not that average folk can afford.
as long as it's not soylent-green, but if it tastes good. people tend not to ask questions. bahhhhhhh.

soul

yeah...it should be a crime...the price of healthy food!
i'm a huge advocate for gardening!!! Any square inch of soil should be honored as the sacred, fertile ground it is, but then there's always that argument for lack of time. i think it has to do with what you're willing to put into it. it's sad that large families are driven to have to eat more garbage to save a few bucks, and with rising oil costs...it's just gonna get worse. it's hard, but you can do a lot just by being vigilant. anything you buy in a grocery store is going to either be empty or poisonous anyway...so what can you do?!?

have you ever tried neutralizing your food by the laying on of hands. it's cheaper than organic. easiest to do as soon as you get home and everything in still in the bags. just lay your hands over the groceries and ramble on about how, "i neutralize all poisons and carcinogens in this food. i release all negative and disturbing vibrations and fill this food with positive, healthy energy that is of benefit to me"...etc. of course the intention has to be behind it, but i think you'd be impressed with the effects (if you can stick with it). also remember to give it another little go just before sitting down to eat...i think it's called "grace" in some circles?!? i honestly feel it's more about reworking, redirecting the energy, and making a conscious choice of what is being allowed in, etc...then it is about the actual food itself. i think it has just as much to do with forgetting the ritual of eating as it does just the physical, nutritional make up. like washing your hands, making a nice place setting, turning off the tv, and such, and NOT EATING IN YOUR CAR...it's all part of it. we replace the rituals of life with sloppy, thoughtless, convenient, hectic routine...and then we wonder why we feel like crap.

just another 2 cents
soul

[try]

lol...VOS...you could be the new "jared" for subway commercials! could open up a whole new market! still wiping the coffee off my keyboard.  

major number one thing...water!!! best conduit!
hydration is everything. diet not as important. physical, mental, emotional constipation is a big hindrance. have to stay fluid. eat whatever you want, but try drinking a gallon of water a day!?!
i've been a vegetarian, vegan, rawfoodist, fruitarian, and i feel the greatest benefit came first from 'more liquids', second from foods that were more alive (higher vibration). i also know about heavy, simple carbs...yes they will drag you into the lower astral. highly refined sugar foods & those high in caffeine will toss you about in all directions.

everything dehydrates...EVERYTHING. coffee/tea/exercise/processed foods/electricity/being on the computer/watching tv/pollution/sex/thinking/breathing...eveything...DRINK MO' H2o to balance...drink even more to by-pass the physical boundaries!


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Bring your digital camera next time! You'd be amazed at what likes to hang out in that field of energy. I'm not sure exactly sure of all the effects of electro-magnetic energy on/in the etheric...astrally I come across a lot of "power stations"...and it's highly sticky stuff! Physically it's all still polarized particles...alive or dead. I know that power lines are like super-highways for dis-bodied/light entities. Much more going on than meets the eye. Orb central!

333

Most of your trouble is that you believe mainstream media and tainted catholic views over the real point of focus.

That was a flawless comment up until the mainstream part (and on). what the HELL would the real point of focus be? never mind...not really seeking the answer on that, but it's that weird stray string that hangs, and once humans begin pulling...there is no stopping until it's one whole unraveled mess. my point being (& by no means meant to be real/absolute or to the point) why stop at corporate talking heads & organized religion??? how long do you keep pulling at that thread until you find you yourself are connected?!? anyway...

...humans aren't good at being exact. we're much better at being vague, and vague works with ignorance, but definitely not with arrogance. what was the question? oh yeah, do you go to hell if you AP? well if "projecting" has anything to do with it...we've all got a one-way ticket. so the question concerns the astral...whether you work to get there or it just happens. i don't have an answer either way. the question (to me) is silly, because we are the astral/the astral is us. the concept of hell is strange also.
as humans we do such an incredible job of destroying, devastating, abusing, consuming, and wasting everything around us for our own personal gain, pleasure and convenience...while holding on to that absolute idea of hell, and the luxury of always being able to do whatever we please and begging for forgiveness after. we have no trouble creating our own little version here on earth.
So call it what you will...the question would be, "if I do things I'm not suppose to will I get in trouble?"
Yes! The bases are pretty much covered on that. You cross that line into trouble-maker, mysfit, terrorist or witch...and you may be dealt with accordingly (and by your own people!) However, this same path is also the path to enlightenment. The path that leads back to your power.  You can stay in the box and be safe, but security is an illusion, not something to build a belief system upon. Some people would insist that the astral is an illusion as well, but it can't be denied...one with far fewer rules!

For me the whole idea of service-to-self (STS) beings & service-to-others (STP) beings...is pretty basic, and I follow the idea of "workship". It all depends on what you're doing with it. How you apply yourself and what your intentions are...and it doesn't matter what dimension your in...this "truth" of yourself is carried through and into everything. I don't think it's ever been said anywhere that "John went to hell, because he looked over the mountain", or "Mary was smote, because she put her head under the water". It's 2005 (so we like believe). I think it's high time we began loosening that grip on "borders"! Fences are for cattle. To keep them in place till it's time for the slaughter. If it weren't for these grand illusions of property, "authority", and security...there wouldn't be any...if humans didn't build them themselves.

So it's not exactly a poor question...it's just that you're asking the wrong "people"...and really...don't you already have the answer!?!

With much respect
Soul

i will offer what i can in the way of positive energies. curious what else might be taking place that would lead you to consider the idea that you might have negative attachments?!? feel free to PM if you would rather.

sage works well for cleansing spaces. good tool to always have on hand. it's important to remember that there is always an ebb and flow to energy, and this is nothing that can be changed...like waves of water...all alive, shifting. it's good. necessary to keep the flow, keep flushing itself out...keep it clean. sometimes we over personalize our environment. make it too much about us, and don't give it the freedom to move/shift. we restrict it to a fault, and it can appear to turn on us. depression is cunning this way. it sucks, and feeds off us, and spirals downwards. you have to reverse the cycle, reverse the thinking. loosen up your thoughts about yourself. think big. not small.

IMHO negative energy/entities is/are always present with depression. which comes first? the chicken or the egg??? can't say, but it is very important that you put energy into feeling good about yourself. typically humans will lean towards the idea that this involves "going easy" on ones self. on the contrary...it usually involves a great amount of discipline! challenge yourself...set one simple goal that involves something hands-on...something you can SEE the outcome of.and the end of the day say, "wow...i DID that"! go all day without eating, or do some intense exercises, or finish one thing on that list (that you've been ignoring). all the people in the world can get together and send you love and positive energy, but it will be sucked away just the same without effort on your part. i'm not saying you aren't willing to do whatever it takes to feel better. that only makes sense. however it is also  normal to fall into the "victim" stance and feel helpless. you are not!

from my experience with depression AND neg attacks...somehow we let go. even if just for a moment. now the position is in fighting the current. get plenty of rest. spend as much time outside as possible, and pace yourself. either that or let it all flow...let go of the control completely. for this you need to totally trust that everything works out for the best. if you know anything about "rip tides"...this will make sense.

all my best
soul

lots of experience with this (most of us have). you have made your intentions clear to the universe, by moving away from this person. that's all that needs to be done. the rest is residual and will wear off in time. if it were quick, painless and not-messy...little would be learned from it, and we'd just keep placing ourselves in the same situations again and again.  

even just one sexual encounter with another person, can leave a auric impression for several weeks...so who knows (sexual or not) how much of an effect a long-term relationship can have?!? there is one lesson that should be noted, and will help with clearing yourself...and that has to do with your side of the agreement. you take on the mentality of a victim in your explanation (i would assume you're the "positive" person) of being "dragged" down...and i'm not saying you weren't, or it hasn't "effected" you. it most definitely has. no beating yourself up (of course), but a healthy spoonful of responsibility in the situation, makes it easier to validate the power you found to leave...and respecting this move is a must. there is an obvious connection still...or you wouldn't have made the post. as long as you're still focusing energy on this person, they are still draining something of you. move on as best you can. move your focus to other things, to yourself, to people you love & respect, but remember to take a break from "helping" others at this time...till you get back in your grove. it's easy to fall back into dysfunctional relationships on the rebound. we live in a service-to-self world...there are many more people out there desperately waiting, seeking to "feed" than there are donors. you must always be on guard. as you have realized...this is a very real danger (but not one we can't overcome).

best of luck
soul

it's nice to have other topics to share my experience on, other than just attacks.

scrying is a wonderful, mystical art...well worth practicing!
i won't get preachy about methods or outcomes, but i will mention that crystal balls are a little more difficult for beginners. black mirrors or scrying pools are easier, and cheap! piece of clear glass with black spray paint on back, or india ink in a dish...or just a black bowl filled with water will work...and as gandolf said, there should be no reflection whatsoever. the room should be dark, with candles placed far enough to the sides not to be picked up on the surface. place mirrors flat on table, scrying from an angle.

all in all i would say that scrying is simpler than phasing (for the average person), but no different from any other esoteric art. practice/practice/practice! you have to be patient, focused, and relaxed. i think that's always the hard part for most people. the discipline involved.
once one can place themselves in that zone...it's truly amazing the places they can visit/conjure up & explore.

i'm looking forward to the outcomes here.
it's nice to balance out the regular route with some alternative paths.
we'll work on the ouija stigma later

soul

helps if you enlarge it
333

very simply two aspects of yourself in struggle for control. dual dueling leos. leos have an incredible sense of pride, which you know. their egos can get out of hand at the best of times. also have great difficulty with trust. possibly you are not trusting your natural psychic abilities, or giving them enough attention...as you already knew what the card was. instead you are seeking (in a sense) "beyond" yourself for answers. both the subconscious and conscious abilities can be pursued of course...but you would do well to find out which to trust in which situations. that will come in another dream.

it will involve "integration". the fact that both the cards were of opposite suits. black and red...both hearts inverted/oppositely. possibly you need to start following your heart more consciously, and being more logical subconsciously?!?

just ideas.
soul

opening up & tuning in. can be difficult at first. you're senses are broadening, and obviously there are a lot of anxious beings around you that have been waiting for the chance to make contact. it'll slow down after a while. i wouldn't worry about blocking it. of course it's going to be clearer when you're mind is quiet. at best "blocking" will only come from engaging in activity (to distract). it'll still be there, but more like "background noise"...like the tv or radio. like NOY mentioned...take it all with a grain of salt. no different from dealing in general. 99% BS, but occasionally some really vital or interesting information is tucked in. if something is important it'll keep coming up (persistently). the rest is blather.

this skill is surfacing across the board for those on the path to enlightenment. in reference to your idea of controlling situations...half of the sword. don't let all the ideas begin and end with "you". it's contrary to the function you're entering. in the situation with your 8 friends. could be the idea came from elsewhere and you all tuned in to it at once?!? i know the idea of "how" you all came to stop and sit was intriguing, but in the future try and sense "why"...why you all stopped in that particular place. it's not always apparent of course, but moving past the action, into the meaning is valuable. stay open minded...you'll adapt and integrate this skill and evolve. blocking is resistance. choose not to move forward in all directions and you lose out for yourself, or in the least make it a difficult/painful journey.

soul

you know...this is the only forum i post to where people have to PM me in support of what i'm saying. i find that really strange that members don't feel comfortable posting whatever they wish to. my last post wasn't an attempt to fan any flames...that's something that doesn't need assistance here. it's a point i have wanted to make for a while now...this "marking of territory" which i am assuming is what got the post deleted. i just don't see the necessity of jack boots and the patronizing chit-chat. it was a call out for something intelligent, but alas...no response. just a demonstration of authority over a harmless member. i've offered a lot of myself here, and none of it has been detrimental or meaningless...or worthy of being trashed.
i'm not a trouble maker by any means.

i make one justifiable comment and you're going to lock a decent and helpful thread to many? that's a reasonable soul-ution??? hmm. doesn't seem right to lock "silentshadows" thread when the moderators issues are with me.

seems it would be more in keeping with this forum to ban me altogether?!?

it's your call nay.
i think i offer a unique and helpful perspective to this forum, but maybe that's threatening?!? i think an explanation was necessary. i think the micro-managing gets a little too much. obviously there is not enough flaming taking place...so it's taken to a lesser level. whatever fills those hours.

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i don't care if my post was deleted. i don't need to know why, but i would appreciate knowing "who".

possible:?:

pure evil? what is pure evil? i happen to be very well acquainted with lucifer, and he's definitely not pure evil. why would you consider an archangel like micheal or gabriel to be above lucifer? because he's "fallen"...that only means he occupies more of a physical realm. that would make humans pure evil as well or worse..."absolute evil". just because a kid smashes up his fathers new mercedes and gets kicked out of the house...doesn't mean he's pure evil. i know...lucifer didn't smash up gods car. he found and demonstrated free-will. i don't know...i just wonder what gives us mere mortals the right to decide what's good and what's evil. as far as i'm concerned we're just a bunch of monkeys and we haven't gotten that far out of the tree yet to be any good at anything except scavenging.

 go ahead......attack
soul