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Hello all, im wondering if anyone has any experience reaching the "astral screen" effect where you are watching your "minds eye" on a screen in front of you, sort of like a movie theatre.

Has anyone experienced this and have any tips on reaching this stage? Im thinking that this will be the next point in my 'development' per say, so any information or knowledge would be helpful.

Thanks in advance,

Ben

I see flashes of light and dots in dark rooms. i am pretty sure it doesnt "mean" anything, but it is crazy to experience

haha^ i was going to link that same article.

read as much frank, major tom and the rest as you can, get all the astral faqs and permenant topics read, and you will be good to go

LOL, i love the pic. thanks

^^ so would a sleeping pill make an AP easier, or should you drink something with sugar/caffenine with it?

well maybe "high enough doses of any drugs can give you an obe" was too much of a generalization. For many drugs you will simply overdose and die, which will result in a permanent obe if you will. You dont want that.

go to www.erowid.org if you have any more questions  

i tingle constantly. i can make a short burst of energy in my spine, and it goes down my back. its the same thing people get when listening to their favorite song, or movie, except i can do it all the time. i always thought it was normal until a year or so ago. some people can do it, some cant.

tingly feelings and the like are normal, if anything they are signs of progress

It was actually kind of my goal because I figured it would be the easiest place to get to because it was still so fresh in my mind.  It was strange because it was a combination of the place before and after we remodelled and the employees where a mix of old and new as well.  Very interesting experience.

I agree with the meditation connection but NEVER before has an object just appeared to me during noticing.  It wasnt like your typical imagery where it is plain to see but seems separate from where you are.  This container was there.  It just hovered there and I grabbed it.  I wasnt in FZ either even though for a minute I thought I was.  Maybe I had already phased and didnt know it?  I swear I could feel myself in bed... hmm...   :poh:

Thats exactly how the town was i saw today. Except I think i was in a deeper "trance" because I could just barely feel my body. It was exactly how i read described on here, I could feel it "back there" but i really had no need for it. I had a strong feeling that everything i was experiencing was being created by me in real time. I also had a period of time that i cannot remember being awake before I became lucid, so that might have something to do with it.

However, what I would term my successful phasing attempts are when I'm not shocked back to the physical. These are when I am so deeply relaxed that I seem to drift into the scenery and lollop along quite happily

I agree.

I can tell from this experience that the hardest part in all of this "OBE" stuff is simply getting relaxed enough to distract your awareness while not falling asleep. I can already tell its becoming much easier for me to "fall asleep" quicker.

Another thing, everyone should try practicing at different times, because I have only practiced during the day about 4 times, and THREE of those times I had VERY good results. When you only practice before you go to sleep you miss out on alot.

yep. you woke up but you didnt "wake up".

next time dont let the fear get the best of you. Just FORGET your body even exists. Visualize someplace nice, and go deeper into relaxation.

Ok guys im really groggy right now(just woke up) but i had a cool experience i thought id share. it was my second "obe' experience.

anyway i went to lay down/take a nap at about 12:30. i got deeper and deeper into relaxation and i could literally feel my awareness slipping deeper and deeper away.

Then it happened, i was lucid. I realized i was starting at a picture of a town. As i stared the colors got brighter, more vivid, then the image dissapeared after about what seemed like 3 seconds. I was amazed i could visualize thing and actually BE THERE! I felt slight vibrations the whole time, i should say, and i was aware that at any time I could "lose" my awareness and fall back into the heavy vibrational stage.I suspect this will go away with practice, and i cant wait to explore my PF2

So i imagined a room in my grandmas house i used to sleep in when i was a kid, and there i was! I walked downstairs, looked around(it seemed like it was early morning) and decided to fly OUT of her window. As soon as i went through the window I ended up in the 3d darkness. I was so excited that i was doing it, and doing it so easily that i wasnt sure what position my body was anymore. I knew i wasnt exactly "in" it. It felt like my feet were high in the air and my body was laying vertically in my room. Then as soon as I knew it I could feel myself traveling somewhere, and I gently glided right back into my body! i could DEFINITLY feel this transition, and it was SO smooth it was unbelievable!

So theres my story, I just wanted to write it down while I can remember it all because it was an AMAZING experience. words just cant do justice. Il comment more later when Im...awake  

Ben

all the drugs do are force reality overlays.

on high enough doses of drugs OBEs are relatively easy to accomplish.

not together

why do you need to hear those words together to imagine them? One of the things our minds are good at is making connections. Some, if not most of those connections are random and have no bearing in reality.

if there was a deeper meaning behind it, you WOULD know.

if it was a women screaming in your ear it might have been an overlay experience, which is what we call hallucinations.

If it was a buzzing or ringing it was somethign else entirely.

Either way, if you increase the noise you WILL end up having an OBE/AP experience. Just imagine where you want to end up when the ringing starts to get loud, and you should end up there.

Hey there souljah333 !

i have nothing against religion.

I agree - But I often find it hard, when confronted with aspects of religion I don't understand. I still find myself saying "that's wrong".  But I believe that I   should be saying to myself "I think that's wrong".  Its hard to differentiate between the two !

You didnt get the memo? Theres no difference!

We CREATE OUR OWN REALITY! That means anything YOU believe to be true, is true, and anything you DONT believe to be true, isnt!

dont try to stop it, in fact try to increase it. you will probably end up having an OBE experience.

Realize alot of people on this website change things into weird beliefs that dont need to be changed. The ringing in the ears is fairly common, I can hear it when I go to bed every night. It sounds like a computer humming really low. You will find if you concentrate on the noise it will increase. It will get to the point where it feels like your head is going to explode, and two things can happen. 1) you get scared and shut it off. 2) you have an OBE.

so just realize there is NOTHING TO FEAR and have a good OBE  

And ive also realize that the humming never goes away, in fact I can hear it right now. Only when you are in bed without much external noise can you get it to increase, or so ive found.

youve never heard the words "sin" and "and" and "sacred" before?

what is "astral sight"?

people on these forums dont realize that not everyone shares the same whacky choice of beliefs.

Theres no such thing as astral sight, or "physical sight". Only sight. only the action of "seeing"

OK, sorry about that. I just had to correct that belief.

[subjective]

slowed time is a sign of subjective perception. so yes you were not in the C1 state, but it probably wasnt F15. Probably a light trance.

People on drugs get the time dilation as well. its amazing to me there isnt a forum here for drugs because these two topics are so related(especially psychedelics). They are just another way to remove the veil, same as "astral projection" or "OBE" experiences.

Time is relative. Einstein figured that out relative is only another way of saying subjective.

The worst is when I accidentally drift into a sort of semi-lucid dream and I'm dreaming that I'm late for work in that I've woken up and it's 3pm and there's no point in driving to work, but I have to ring my boss to explain and I'm so embarrassed - aaarrggghhh! It's such a relief to find that only 5 minutes have gone by

haha this happens to me to- il dive into a dream concerning work because i just thought about turning my alarm clock to "snooze" and it sets off a chain reaction of work-thoughts. Sometimes it disturbes me enough to get off my lazy butt and get to work so its good for something!

it means nothing.

I mean, its got some meaning behind why you choose those words but theres no way for any of us to know that meaning, its purely subjective. you probably heard those words on the tv or something too.

Question:

What is lucidity? Why do we become lucid? When we do become lucid, why does it happen, and why isn't it the way we always are? Why is it that lucidity is easily lost and generally doesn't last very long?

Have you ever wondered if death is just like a dream, you'll forget, or not have lucidity? Is lucidity a property of physical-life/brain logic?

Why do we have to fight to maintain awareness, and is it the same way when you're dead? If it's not, is the lack of awareness/the need for lucidity due to having a physical body?

objective knowing. able to touch,see,smell,hear,taste. none of which we can do when we are not lucid. coincidence?

dreams are what you remember in the morning, right? so we can remember seeing something in a dream but only when you are lucid can you really explore a concept or idea. In real time.

Lol. 1+1=2 even if i 'feel' it equals 3.


No matter how much you want to believe ur own personal inclinations, the truth is the truth regardless.

then what is the truth oh scholar of the ages?

if this topic had been disproven or proven we would not be discussing it in this little corner of the internet we have. why even bother asking this question when you know it cant be answered.

Im sure if you experienced what some of these people here have your opinion would be changed. But since the system is based on belief and you obviously dont BELIEVE any of it can happen your stuck with reading other peoples experiences. have fun.

Wow. Its funny how Ill say something rational and everyone will get all spunky about their own confusion and misguidance.

Wow. What a blatent rationalization.

You, Abraham, are a jumbled of piece of belief-trash.

Lol. 1+1=2 even if i 'feel' it equals 3.


No matter how much you want to believe ur own personal inclinations, the truth is the truth regardless.

then what is the truth oh scholar of the ages?

if this topic had been disproven or proven we would not be discussing it in this little corner of the internet we have. why even bother asking this question when you know it cant be answered.

Im sure if you experienced what some of these people here have your opinion would be changed. But since the system is based on belief and you obviously dont BELIEVE any of it can happen your stuck with reading other peoples experiences. have fun.

hotshot...

I've had the same exact experience. I was practicing randomly once during the day and i remember getting strong vibrations and floating up and down a couple times. It was really hazy and i slipped right back into a dream but i can without a doubt say that what you experienced was "real".

Whats the difference between you having a dream of the vibes and actually getting the vibes? nothing!

To Help you clear out a few concepts, and I hope most of you can read this:

"There are differences that can define the "reality" from the "imagination". Our conscience has a property called "imagination", which is what gives us the power to create any kind of "fake" thought, those thoughts that would not be real in the state of materialization we are living here in this planet. So you have to be aware, and very very sure that what you are seeing is not a "creation" of your own mind!

Our mind has the power to create. Once you are dreaming and you are seeing very weird things, that they DO NOT MATCH the reality, then you should stop and say "this must be creation of my own mind, because it is not true that a pink elephant could fly." There are no pink elephants in the spiritual world, or lets say it in a more understandable way, there are no pink elephants in the reality. So before you say that you had an OBE, or a lucid dream, stop and think if all what you had remembered wasn't just a creation of your own conscience. There are also more ways to define the "control" level of your OBEs,  but about that I should talk later...

But what is reality? If you take our consensus reality as the "true" reality then im sorry to say your sadly mistaken. The things you see in your mind are just as real as the things outside them.

All lucid dreams ARE creations of your own conscience. Most people who have "astral projection" experiences are experiencing constructs of their own mind, their own consience.

I dont get your point  :confused:

hotshot...

ive had the same exact experience. I was practicing randomly once during the day and i remember getting strong vibrations and floating up and down a couple times. It was really hazy and i slipped right back into a dream but i can without a doubt say that what you experienced was "real".

Whats the difference between you having a dream of the vibes and actually getting the vibes? nothing!